Grunting *during* ejaculation is understandable -- what I hate is when he's shouting "I'm gonna cum on your face, oh baby I'm gonna cum on your face!" repeated a dozen times while she tries to kneel on her mark and sit there like a baby bird, mouth open. But, there's nothing wrong with him pounding away at her, pulling out as cum starts to erupt from his cock, and letting out a trimphant shout or two as his spurts build in intensity... quite understandable that he'd beat his chest for a second or two. But once his cumshot peaks in intensity, he shouldn't try to make up for decreasing spurt volume with increasing audio volume -- it only serves to highlight what he's trying to compensate for.
Hey guys, I'm gonna start a creampie series, because it's what I really want to do. I don't want to fake the creampies at all -- I'm gonna let the guys naturally cum with no faking anything. I also don't want them to pull out immediately to 'show the cum,' but I will have a hardcore shot to show that yes, there is something going on down there. The main point of doing internals for me, though, is to show the moment of orgasm with the two partners connected, and to have the body language and facial expressions and change of color to face etc, all be authentic and real. So, creampie fans: tell me what's important to YOU. I know what *I* wanna see, but I'm not a guy, and I want you all to be happy, too. I've gotten a lot of feedback on this thread which is why I feel confident going forward with the series, but feel free to give me your tips and suggestions. I mean, please do. :-)
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Posted - Jul 1 2010 : 6:56PM
ANY pop shot were the guy is stroking his cock is a deal-breaker for me...
"The main point of doing internals for me, though, is to show the moment of orgasm with the two partners connected, and to have the body language and facial expressions and change of color to face etc, all be authentic and real". Come on now that sounds so sweet & loverly. I dont want that in a fantasy film. Men arnt bothered about connections. u need to appeal to the raw animalistic side. Face shots and swallows are about dominance and submission. if there were no cum dodgers, then no ones bothered but obviously it takes a little extra. most of us have had a one nighter and creamed internal, no biggie. how many one nighters have ended with, chick on her knees accepting a facial.. fantasy first. i know you do need options in porn or it gets same old.... The only internals i like is when the girl pushes it out and does a whole number of things. keep it fantasy dont get close to reality or you just wont sell.
I totally understand what you're looking for, but for THIS series I'm trying to please people who DO like internal cum shots. I realize that's not everyone, and I understand why some people don't want to see that or don't find it exciting. But it seems that there are many people who do, so I'm talking to them right now. :-)
+1 against "raw and animalistic". I really don't want Sweet Sinner degenerating into yet another studio where male talent apparently gets paid on a thrust-per-minute basis.
For me in real life and porn I like cumming on her mouth, face, and then she swallows it. Cumming on tits, arse etc is OK but not too often. Cream pies are a waste of time to look at, a bit yuk really. I do like cumming inside a girl. Like just about everyone else on here and hundreds of other threads I don't really like seeing the guy jack off. The girl should do it.
That's a depressing outlook. I hope this isn't the same bleak vision everyone has of mankind... On topic: good luck Nica! I'm excited you're trying a new line. I'm pretty unfussy about these things, so regardless I will be checking it out.
I love to see 4 things in porn: reverse cowgirl, standing dp, cowgirl dp and a cum shot to the face. I think it is a major letdown when it's a creampie. Swallowing is ok, but a large shot on the face is a major turn on to me.
Frequently, the pop shot is the only thing that redeems a scene. Though I usually don't consider it to be the whole scene contained in a few seconds, a porn scene just isn't complete without it. The whys are as mysterious as anything else in the crazy world of sex. I've spoken at length on it elsewhere in the forum and am too lazy to look it up at the moment. If you really want to know, it's there. Somewhere.
Good creampies are really rare. I want the guy to pump his load in the girl deep. Not these shallows jerkoffs hardly inside the pussy that is the norm right now. I understand why because directors will have a guarante that the cum will drip out by I still would prefer it the other way eventhough I didin't see a drop of cum in the scene. Also I really find it important that the guy screams of enjoyment or at least makes some noise when coming. The worst I know is creampie scenes where the guy pulls out and you didin't even know he had cum already!
"The main point of doing internals for me, though, is to show the moment of orgasm with the two partners connected, and to have the body language and facial expressions and change of color to face etc, all be authentic and real." I will have to take the opposite view from RectomRamington. The above describes exactly what I usually want to see. As much as porn is about fantasy, I also want to see sex as I like to have it. (The fantasy for me comes from the situation of the sex and the woman involved, not the execution of the sex.) I don't want to pull out (of whatever aperture) when I am about to come. And God knows I don't want to watch a guy jerking off -- when you have a beautiful woman with you, who in his right mind wants to get himself off instead of having her do it for you? I don't care so much about where the pop shot winds up as long as she finishes him off; in her, on her, whatever. I especially am uninterested in seeing endless theatrics with the semen -- gargling it, swapping it, tossing it around, dribbling it down the court for a dunk, etc. I guess from its prevalence this kind of activity is popular with some guys, but I find it gross and rather mystifying -- why are they doing that? By the way, not being familiar with Nica, I looked her up. Such a beautiful woman: I look forward to her new series. Her description as quoted at the top sounds lovely.
Pretty much doesn't matter where the shot goes, as long as the girl (or girls) make it happen. There is a strong movement on this forum for the guy to keep his hand off of his cock as much as possible, and I hope that some directors/producers take note of it. These are some amazing performing women, and I think that they should be allowed to finish what they start.
How important? How important is the ending in a real movie? Sometimes it can make or break a film. My preference...Cum inside her mouth. Still holds a wow factor for me after all these years. Shows that the girl really excited about it.
1) Nothing faked 2) Clear view of base of the cock throbing (expanding/contracting) as he pumps the cream in (assuming you want to stop or explicitly show this step) but please don't pull the cock out to the tip 3) Alternately, allow them to continue to go at it while he cums, showing her expressions and vocal appreciation for it. "Cum in my pussy please, Fill me up" but in a way that feels real. 4) Please please please, let some additional screwing continue, allowing some of the cum to naturally escape and be visible. I've seen this most often in the "I've Never Done That Before" series. It's much more exciting than just watching a pussy drip with acrobatics. With cowgirl, it's all the better. 5) A hardcore final shot with some nice drip with some spreading is still appreciated but I want more before that, more of what really happens without a camera. 6) If a MFF 3-way, I am always appreciative of a nice F on F post creampie cleanup -- first off the man, then off the girl. Sharing with the girl through hot kissing showing some cum, but please no dropping from 3 feet above back and forth would be a nice hot end. 7) If a MF 2-way, then a cleanup of the guy aftewards orally by the girl would be appreciated but not required.
I agree with most here that it's a turn-off when the guy jerks himself off in the end. The girl should. For me one of the hottest popshots is: the girl gives a blowjob, the guy comes in her mouth while she is still blowing him, semen drips out of her mouth and she continues to blow even after the cumshot. This way the girl is in control and you do see the cum. You see that rarely.
Without a cum shot, what? Should the guy just stop at some point before finishing, high five the girl and get dressed? The money shot means it's over and a good fuck... A good spurt is probably a biological shot of virility, and likely a man wanking feels more aroused because he's (virtually) in competition with whoever came. There's the part where a guy marks his territory with his seed. Or maybe it's something to see a woman allow herself to be degraded? That said, this is what most frequently gets overboard (swapping, etc.). For me, often the cum shot is the most honest moment for the girl, the instant they go out of character and you see the REAL girl. Mix and match from the above, it's all good and you'll have to pry my cum shot from my cold dead hands!!! [pun intended] Edited by - soopa on 7/24/2010 2:48:47 AM
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Posted - Jul 24 2010 : 10:54AM
Wow... I'm glad I don't feel the need to 'mark my territory' or 'degrade women' in order to have a good fuck...
It's important for me. If I've enjoyed the scene up to this point and the guy pops and it's just a dribble or a few drops then the scene definitely ends on a low note for me and the chances I'd watch it again aren't as big.
Well, I've written this before but to me the deep-in-the-mouth/sucked off shot is best, even if there isn't compelling "evidence". For some reason people think this would be fake but the thousands of internal creampie movies are just fine. To me, the best orgasms are "suck off' in the mouth swallows. I don't think any guys would much disagree with that. So, apart from the suspicion angle, that is what I want to see. And it is relatively rare. One variation that might please "all the people" is a quick squirt for proof followed by the suck off.
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Posted - Jul 24 2010 : 1:29PM
in real life... in porn... in all cases! Hear hear!I'm not interested in any mans cum enough to care about evidence...
lol...yeah, but, among others, Brandon Iron posted here to me that the market thinks deep-in-the-mounth shots would be faked ala 70s stuff. I guess most the the creampie movies have the girls shove it out for verification. Like, yeah, that is so attractive....lol...
Sorry, just to clarify, I don't have any knowledge about the market whatsoever. My movies speak to that. I was referring to my personal thinking after being on sets where cumshots were faked and multiple endings shot so that scenes could be sold to different companies. Not my thing. I just like to keep things real, even if real is mediocre.
Ah, my middle-aged mind boggle :-) I think somewhere in that thread it went to the commercial aspects. Anyway, as an Ayn Randian, obviously the industry/market has some reservations about closed, deep in the mouth shots because they are so damn rare. Maybe one in every thousand internal creampies.
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Posted - Jul 25 2010 : 10:21AM
Everything about studio porn is fake.... I think that's one of the major reasons I find myself supporting talented amateurs instead
To me the focus on the scene is entirely on the girl. Her getting off is the height of the scene. The only appeal about the guy getting off is her involvement in it so a male solo masturbating scene loses the flow of the scene. The best would be a small load, oral creampie where it seeps out of the mouth back on his unit but I keep reading their are tons of threads why this isn't possible. Just end the scene with him cumming inside her or her jerking him off with a ton of lube. If he has to do all the effort just splice it out and make it look like her work. Or maybe if she grabbed his ass or rubbed up against him while he works himself to reestablish the involvement.
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Posted - Jul 25 2010 : 2:03PM
I've yet to see a good reason for why this isn't supposed to be possible....
Oh that is possible and there are probably thousands of scenes. The question for me is, as a guy, what is the best way to cum? On the tonsils, for me, with a full swallow. lol...neither of the two people involved needs proof of orgasm :-) I understand the "proof" issue, but it seems crazy that the (arguably) most popular guy orgasm is so rare in porn. Throat Gaggers is about the only series where you are going to see it consistently. There is one great shot where cutie Paige Turner takes a first little squirt then hoovers it down. It's a POV BJ only...I'll poke around and see if i can find it if anyone cares...
Alphadacs, thank you! :) Wow, I'm so flattered! Just in case any of you get Hustler, my article on (what else?) CREAM PIES is in the current "All Sex" issue. I wish there was a link to the actual article but I can't find one. I don't think they post them online, though at least it made the front cover. http://hustlermagazine.com/shopmagazines/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=201_227_296&products_id=2321