Fat bottomed girls make the rockin' world go round! 1551 Posts 5/09
Posted - May 18 2011 : 4:37AM
^ I'm a white guy who watches IR porn, when a favorite female actress of mine is featured. Jack Napier is hilarious. He reminds me of Mike John, in the way he can find humor in his work. I'm a fan of IR porn, 'cause it gets me off, when I watch Lexxi Lockhart's big booty wiggle around on a big black snake.
You say that 2 IR scenes will pay as much as 3 all whites scenes which means a single scene is paid more , furthermore if you don't like to do something but that is the only thing youre offered then you 'll have no choice , and there is 1 big star every 100 starlets and wannabeI'm not saying that black girls shouldn't have choice they have and there are some issues about them and the fact that even big stars have problem finding work , Marie Luv even moved to Florida. as for the Euros , that's strange since many of them although have no problems doing IR are actually racist do some research about Jane Darling for example , she even joined an extremist group almost nazi I may say anyway the OP doesn't agree us being discussing .about racism but to why why we like IR and what we like the most about it so we're kinda OT
Rocco? He did plenty of IR in his early european works I can easily recall for example some scenes with Lydia Chanel, Charlene Roben, Solange and Tabatha Cash plus he worked a lot costarring with Teo Roccaforte or doing a gang bang with many black guys in the scene , I tend to believe that a racist would't do a scene and share some pussy, ass and corporal fluids with a black male rather than doing IR with girls About that black girl refusing black performes I never heard about it who was she? It would be interesting to know why,could not be racism of course
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Posted - May 18 2011 : 7:41AM
Actually more than few girls refuse to work with Blacks explicitly because they have a personal problem with Blacks. And I'm not sure why that should come as a surprise to some considering the pathetic history of the US.Give them what they deserve? Are you just making up phrases at this point? Because no one said that. It was merely stated that criticism of their racially discriminatory behavior should come as no surprise.Considering how famous the women who work with Blacks are such as Tori Black, Jenna Haze, Lisa Ann, Asa Akira, etc..., the idea that they would lose work of any significance by doing such scenes is no longer an idea that holds any merit.By doing adult films they've ruined their business value to most people in this country. What they've done on film will follow them for the rest of their lives. So how would working with Blacks ruin their value more than just doing adult films in general?Actually virtually all Black women in the industry have to work with other races of performers or they won't get work at all. So racially discriminatory behavior is a luxury that white female performers have that Black women do not because of demographics.Of course they have the right to refuse working with anyone for any reason. And others have the right to criticize them for their racially discriminatory behavior. That's how it works. Edited by - Solar4 on 5/18/2011 7:48:20 AM
I'm like you and can watch the white guy and imagine banging the girl but I understand what Angryassdrummer is saying because even though I can imagine fucking the girl the white guy I'm watching isn't a stand in for me. In my mind he's a white guy doing the white girl and while watching him I'm imagining what I could be doing but the white guy isn't a stand-in for me. Then there are times when it's not about me at all and it's simply about the girl getting banged by....anyone.
When you like to watch IR does it matter which black guys you're watching? Do they need to be "big" guys? Does it have to be rough sex? Do the girls fit a certain type?
At the end of the day, it is what it is. 629 Posts 12/09
Posted - May 18 2011 : 9:50AM
Everybody know it pays more, my point was that it isn't much more. And when you compare straight IR b/g to niched vanilla, then the difference is even less. If IR were significantly more, than chicks who love IR would be doing large percentages of IR. Sara Jay only did 5 IR last year and 17 non-IR.My point was that the true victims of non-choice in the porn world are black women.You say 'many' and then give one unsubstantiated example. The contrast is very striking between Euros and American white girls when you research filmographies. Sophie Dee herself ridiculed the 'reasoning' that is put forward by these anti-IR girls. Edited by - ControlFreak on 5/18/2011 9:52:11 AM
Doesn't matter which guys. I guess they don't have to be big, but they are pretty much always well hung anyway. It doesn't have to be "rough" but I'm not entirely sure what constitutes rough. And no, the girls don't fit a certain type. I like a fairly wide variety of women in general, and that doesn't change based on what kind of porn I'm watching.
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Posted - May 19 2011 : 7:49AM
I'm probably in the minority, but I prefer IR with black dudes that have closer to normal sized dicks. I think the huge dick thing is a niche in and of itself that doesn't appeal to me as much.
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Posted - May 17 2012 : 10:41PM
Redheads only Edited by - hodel on 5/31/2012 10:34:24 PM
I'm black and I only watch white-on-white if it's the only way to see a certain girl preform. Yes it's easier to identify with the guy if he is the same race. But when I was younger I had no problem with white-on-white. Reasons people like IR: 1) degradation of white female (from a racist stand point) 2) racial tension/social taboo 3) contrast of skin tone and it's easier to see cum on a black dick 4) easier to relate to (from black guys perspective) 5) revenge sex fantasy (from angry black man's perspective) 6) it's different from normal porn but not too kinky Did I miss any? You could write a psychological thesis on IR porn. :)
It may not be Choking or Spitting in IR Porn but a lot of Black Male Performers are very aggressive Verbal Wise and have a Thug like Image performers like Wesley Pipes,Brian Pumper, Rico Strong they all have this thug type vibe that u dont see in Non IR Porn, but u have Black Performers like Lexington Steele,Tyler Knight and Sean Michaels who dont have that thug like aggressive image, and those 3 Black Male Performers Cross over the most,anytime a White Female Performer who wants to try IR for the first time usually get thier first scene with Lexington Steele, Sean Michaels, Tyler Knight or Mr Marcus cause they arent the Stereotypical aggressive thuglike Black Male
^ Can you give a couple of examples of the verbal aggression "thug" performers typically use? [mod edit: quote removed. please do not quote the post directly above your own. just use an "up arrow". thx.] Edited by - killbillvol69 on 5/19/2012 11:22:44 AM
I don't know, I think the "thug" thing is overblown at times. I think there may be a generation gap, or simpy a generation thing at times. I also think there can be a have and have-nots dynamics when it comes to relationshps formed within the industry. Lexington Steeles', Mr. Marcus', and Sean Michaels' aren't usually produced or made overnight.
Of Course I can give u a example just check out any of the " White Trash Whore" films and u hear a bunch of verbal abuse and also one other thing anytime u see a Black Gang bang or Blow Bang u hear Black Men refering to themselves as niggas or calling the White Female performer a nigga, but performers like Lexington Steele,Sean Michaels,Tyler Knight and Mr Marcus seem to be more respectful and dont use a lot of Hood type slang and language during thier scenes, I mean I can count how many times I have seen Wesley Pipes in a IR Scene bragging about how many times he been locked up in prison. [mod edit: cropped quote. From the ADT forum etiquette: "Please don't quote people's entire posts - quote only relevant sections or address the person by name."] Edited by - killbillvol69 on 5/19/2012 11:23:38 AM
As mentioned in another thread where we had a long discussion about this type of thing though, very often it is the IR flicks made bywhite companies forwhite customers that use all of these things. Wesley doesn't talk about how often he's been locked up in movies put out by WCP, but he does in movies put out by DogFart or JM. It caters to the fetish aspect of white males seeking out females doing something "dirtier", which in this case, means having sex with a "dirty, animalistic" black male. In other words, it's when the movies are already coming from an anti-black standpoint that you come across this stuff. Not when the movies are just people having sex, and the guy is black and the girl is white.
^ Check out the " Teen Anal Nightmares" Flicks by WCP and Wesley Snipes does talk like a Felon or a convict and I think it really fits him to talk that way givin the fact that Wesley has spend time in jail in real life,so he is bringing is convict like image into Porn, all of those Teen Anal Nightmare's series put out by WCP have Black Men acting and talking like the stereotypical Baggy Jeans pants sagging type thug image Black Male.
^ Yeah OK you're right, there are some WCP releases that are like that. I forgot about those. But I still think it's more accentuated in releases like the "Oh No! There's a Negro in My Wife" titles from JM, or the White Trash Whore titles, again from JM, or the DogFart series like Interracial Blowbang and Cuckold Sessions and Watching my Mom Go Black, etc. edit to add: and the Gangland titles from Devil's Film. Edited by - killbillvol69 on 5/19/2012 1:52:23 PM
^ well some flicks have a plot , a "white trash" series is that way because it is supposed to be that way , customer buying such features are looking for just that same for the "teen nightmare" otherwise wouldn't be a nightmare also wesley fit that part and the fact he spent time in jail just makes it more real and to some audience more exciting , but he's not always that way nor is Rico Strong also as already pointed out lots of custyomers are white who really like to see white girls trashed that way by thugs or the like , it is some kind of forced or almost criminal sex or as said by killbill "animalistic sex" , pure lust that might be reassuring for many, almost safe , some kind of incident which would not happen again , passion, that would be dangerous , socially dangerous in their view it os real it's not an incident it's the real thing. Many movies are as such even at dogfart , although she used a lot the N word Spring Thomas' flicks weren't about thugs or White Trash where all about a white girl who refuses to do white guys and fucks blacks only , lots of kisses in many occasions beds , lust and other things including Wesley
^ Yes and because of the rough gangsta image that a lot of Black Male Performers have in IR films a lot of people come to beleive that IR porn is more extreme or dirty "not literally dirty", even though in IR films u are not gonna see any of the rough tactics that u see in a Max Hardcore film but the gangsta like image equates to that. Rico and Wesley arent always that way in there films but most of the time they are and off screen they are the same way, I heard Wesley Pipes even brings Weed on to the set to smoke right before doing a scene.
^ I don't think that drug use is exclusively done by black guys and it is hardly unheard in porn. There are black guys who do different , Sean Michaels for example and Jack Napier rarely play as a thug (actually I can't remember a scene of him that way ) Justin Long is another not sure about Flash Brown ,but Sledge Hammer (RIP) did played as such but in real life is said to have been totally a gentle giant , it was acted Anyway I rather prefer passion in porn Edited by - Laurie Cameron Fan on 5/19/2012 2:57:55 PM
^ yes and if u go a few posts up I said that Black Male Performers like Lexington Steele, Sean Michaels,Tyler Knight and Mr Marcus are very professional and never portray the Gangsta image I said that and I like and respect those performers,Lexington Steele has tried to fight against that stereotypical Image thats one of the reasons why he started Mercernary Pictures.
I see a few black guys say stuff like "suck dat dick" or grab the back of the girls head but how is that any worse than the stuff that white guys do like making a girl gag to the point of suffocations, face fucking, fish hooking, slapping the face with their dick, stepping on girls head, and other sadistic and humiliating stuff. IR porn is typically much tamer than your average white-on-white rough porn. If your worried about how the women are treated you should start with the rough stuff. Outside of dirty talk, black guys seem to treat the girls normally. You guys keep using extreme examples which brings me to the question why do you seek out these movies if you don't want the "black thug" experience?
There are several things gong on here. First and probably foremost this is mostly these guys being themselves. If the director doesn't give some of these guys a role to play they just fall back on being themselves or doing what they feel people want from them. So in the case of someone like Wesley you get that "thug" vibe regardless because that's who he is or feels people want from him so many scenes with him automatically end up with that "thug' vibe even when it wasn't planned. But that isn't who Sean Michaels or Jack Napier is or who they think people want from them so they don't do that. Despite the people who are against the "thug" portrayal I'm willing to bet Westly has a big fanbase who likes that and wants to see it. As far as I can see Wesley is a good performer so I'm guessing many directors hire him and just let him do his thing and aren't purposely trying to make a "thug" scene. Secondly, I think more people enjoy the "thug" thing than people here think. There's a whole segment of the audience raised on MTV videos and gangstar rappers and are very used to seeing that type of portrayal. They grew up watching 50 Cent types much more than watching and identifying with a Denzel type of black man. The identify with Wesley because he looks, acts, dresses and talks more like they do. Then there's the segment who likes to see the "thug" stuff because of their fetishes/fantasies. For them seeing this tough, brutish black man giving it to this white girl is just more exciting. They don't watch porn for nice lovemaking they want the type of exciting or edgy sex they can't see elsewhere. They'd rather see "Wow! That tough black guy is sure giving it to that whitebread white girl.." rather than watching "Oh, that's some beautiful IR lovemaking going on...". Lots of people want their porn to be dirty and edgy. Having "thugs", huge black/white penises, "unforbidden sex" (anal, IR, gangbangs, etc...) gives them what they like and/or don't have in real life.
^ I don't like much that stuff I prefer other things and luckily there are. I remember a thing kinda reverse It was a scene with Kacey going to do a scene with Mandingo and Sledge Hammer , during the foreplay Kacey was on her feet massaging Dingo erected big tree , he leaned to her to kiss but she looked at him and still stroking that dick with both hands and barely covering half of all that meat said: Are you afraid of me? He said no with a laughter
These are movies. It's all pretend. If the role calls for a thug type and the director wants his performers to play a specific part then they're being "professional" by doing what they're asked. Besides, all of the guys you mentioned have played "gangsta" like characters before...some more convincing than others. Just because you don't like performers acting a certain way that doesn't mean they aren't being professional. Now, if you have stories about how certain performers treat women badly when the cameras aren't rolling...that's a whole other thing. There room for all types of images in porn because there are all types of people in the world. To each his/her own but I don't have much problem with the way black men are protrayed in porn these days as compared with some of the older movies where watermelons were present on set and and we only got one or two different portrayals of black men. Or black men were only considered because the movie had a "black" theme. I think black performers still have to because some people still view them in a fairly narrow way. Like someone pointed out even the "gangsta/thug" portrayals aren't anywhere near as rough or demeaning to women as some of the white performers routinely do but because they're black and big they are seen as equally demeaning. Notice there's no black ROCCO who slaps, spits, chokes, and roughly handles women. The closest black male performer to that would be Lex but you respect him because he doesn't play "gangsta". Yet Wesley gets grief because he plays up the gangsta image. But if you care about women and respect who's actually rougher with women in their sex scenes?
^ Lex appeared in a Rocco movie in a scene with Kelly Divine, Ashlii Orion and Sophie Dee in Rocco Psycho Love 2, the scene was pretty harsh but it was Rocco leading the dance not Lex he also made a joke with Ashli Orion just before he shoved his dick up her ass he said: don't worry I'm the small one, and then he pushed half his dick up her ass in just a single thrust
Edited by - Laurie Cameron Fan on 5/19/2012 6:38:28 PM
^ I know. I have that movie but only watched it once because I didn't like how Sophie Dee looked in pain during some of the anal stuff. Kelly seemed to keep up and handle it fine but I was bothered by seeing Sophie not handle it well. I'm fine with Rocco being Rocco and Lex doing his thing but when it appears to be uncomfortable to the girl I don't like it. That's what I was getting at with my "gansta" rant. I'm much more concerned with how the girl is actually being treated and if she's in pain moreso than the persona a male performer puts on.
I wonder how a black version of Rocco would fair in the porn biz. I'm sure he wouldn't get much mainstream porn work and most girls wouldn't want to work with him and the more conservative fans would absolutely hate him. But I'm betting he'd be big with the crowd who are into the whole demeaning the innocent white girl audience who like seeing big black guys pounding and giving it to white women. The crowd who into that whole Shane Diesel era of BLACKZILLA might've liked a performer like that.
^ Well Rocco hasn't always been this rough , this has grown in time and he already was Rocco from some John Stagliano Buttman's movies , anyway he hired and still hire lots of blacks in his movies Teo/Franco Roccaforte or Kid Jamaica for example but also performed with Nacho Vidal which is not exactly pure vanilla
You guys keep using extreme examples which brings me to the question why do you seek out these movies if you don't want the "black thug" experience? [/quote] I dont watch those types of films I dont watch neither extreme the same way I dont like the Black Thug Performers like Nat Turnher or Brian Pumper I dont watch Max Hardcore or anything from JM Productions/Extreme Associates its all the same to me.I dont like seeing women abused and I dont like seeing stereotypical Gangsta Black Males using the N word amongst each other calling the female performers bitches while performing in IR Gangbangs.
Secondly, I think more people enjoy the "thug" thing than people here think. There's a whole segment of the audience raised on MTV videos and gangstar rappers and are very used to seeing that type of portrayal. They grew up watching 50 Cent types much more than watching and identifying with a Denzel type of black man. The identify with Wesley because he looks, acts, dresses and talks more like they do. [/quote] I honestly think the Rap Music shouldnt be that infused with the Porn World, when Hip Hop Artists like Lil Jon,Ludacris or Snoop Dog wanna bring hip hop to Porn and make some Videos I have no problem with that but when Porn Actors like Brian Pumper and Wesley Pipes wanna be Rappers and Porn Actors most people dont like that, they should just stick to being Professional Porn actors and let the real hip hop Artists be the rappers, thats one of the main reasons why Red Light District studio fired Brian Pumper cause of how unprofessional he was and bring his street like ghetto attitude to the Porn industry.
The point is thug sex and thug dirty talk is far tamer than gonzo porn. The other point is if there's a major audience for "black thug porn", why would you crusade against it. Avoid it if you don't like it but at least recognize there are plenty of guys and girls who enjoy seeing it. Edited by - more_cowbell on 5/20/2012 1:16:15 AM
^ I don't think it is a crusade she is just questioning us , be aware that jada is female her perspective is different from ours ,as a matter of fact when watching that kind of porn we imagine uorself as the dominants , she simpathises with the bottomed or even victims if you prefer. As for me I'm almost puzzled as her , I don't like such movies especially Max and JM production , don't like at all that of Brian Pumper. Even Rocco is almost out of my tastes I pick his movies because of the actresses , also depending on the series he's not always that rough , Omar Galanti is though and I don't watch his movies. I have problems even in some Belladonna's movies even knowing that she is the one who pay the actors to do exactly what they do to her the way they do Facial Abuse is completely out thei abuses aren't performances they psychologically abuse the actress , many of them had retired just after shooting for them.
I know she's a woman but her logic is off if I'm understaning her. She doesn't like black performers acting/being "thug" or "gangster". I don't see it as a problem but she's entitled to her opinion if she doesn't like it. What I don't get or agree with is that being/acting gangster is somehow "unprofessional" or is "mistreating" women. The two have nothing to do with each other.Am I missing something? Why are you naming Brian Pumper in the same sentence as people and studios known for rough sex? I haven't seen much of Brian Pumper's stuff he makes for his studio...Is it rough/abusive sex? I know lots of people don't like Brian Pumper and that's fine but is he doing the type of stuff that he should be compared to Rocco, Omar Galanti, Belladonna, Max Hardcore and JM PRODUCTIONS?
My thoughts exactly. The "thug persona" in porn does not translate to abusive/rough treatment of the women. Brian Pumper is kinda weak, as far as sex goes. He is more likely to sniff a girl's butt than to slap it. Wesley Pipes is actually considerate of the women, and does not push anyone further/faster/harder than she wants to go. Those viewers who don't like Pumper gripe about his rapping "skills" and his personality; for Wesley Pipes, many viewers dislike his annoying nonstop talking. Neither performer is physically rough with the women.
[/quote]My thoughts exactly. The "thug persona" in porn does not translate to abusive/rough treatment of the women. Brian Pumper is kinda weak, as far as sex goes. He is more likely to sniff a girl's butt than to slap it. Wesley Pipes is actually considerate of the women, and does not push anyone further/faster/harder than she wants to go. Those viewers who don't like Pumper gripe about his rapping "skills" and his personality; for Wesley Pipes, many viewers dislike his annoying nonstop talking. Neither performer is physically rough with the women. [/quote] Brian Pumper refered to Montana Fishburne as a Bitch and really degraded her, Montana Fishburne did her first film for Vivid and the people at Vivid didnt disrespect her I think she should have stayed with Vivid and not get sucked up into Urban/ghetto Porn, thats the mistake most pretty Black female women make when they first enter the porn Industry,but we going off topic a bit.
Ebony Hotties 4 - review by Captain Jack
Posted - May 18 2011 : 12:14AM
