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"In his essay 'Big Red Son', American writer, David Foster Wallace, says: "In-your-face vileness is part of the schizoid direction porn's been moving in all decade. For just as adult entertainment has become more 'mainstream' ... it has also become more extreme and not just on the Bizarro margins."

"In nearly all hetero porn now, there is an emphasis on anal sex, painful penetrations, degrading tableaux, and the (at least) psychological abuse of women."

"In certain respects this extremism may simply be porn's tracing Hollywood's own entertainment arc: It's hardly news that TV and legit film have also gotten more violent and explicit and raw," says Wallace.

It's a sobering thought that many young men may now consider these sort of extreme sexual acts as "normal" and young women, exposed to the demands of these men, consider compliance with them reasonable.

Edited by - Midtown on 10/12/2006 3:34:23 PM

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Whether I'm in the majority or minority, I don't give a fuck.

Is that simple enough for you, or would you prefer a more complex, over-analyzed answer??

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If gonzo was gay porn in disguise I doubt gay men would be paying the outrageous prices commanded by actual gay porn. The fact that gay men buy gay porn, not straight gonzo porn, is a pretty clear indicator that it doesn't float their boat. If you can convince me how it can be 'gay' when gays aren't into it then you might have a valid point. However, I'm unmoved by anything you've advanced so far.

Regarding the multiple-guys-per-girl phenomenon, I subscribe to the 'frat boys' theory, which says that all those guys in straight porn create a frat house 'party' atmosphere, which says more about the attitude of the producers than it does about the consumers. As for your other criteria, I'm watching plenty of porn and not seeing all this genital-touching or post-cum muff diving. I also don't see that strap-on sex equates to homosexual interest, any more than sticking a finger up my own ass makes me a homosexual. As for she-males, I don't get it, but I don't judge it, either.

I do agree that having circus-sex porn be the first exposure to sex that youngsters have can be problematic. On the other hand, my personal sex life was at least as wild-and-crazy as most porn before I ever saw an X-rated movie. We should bear in mind that inhibitions are societal creations, not natural phenomena. Social arbiters may complain when porn thumbs it's nose at said inhibitions but they err when claiming it perverts 'real' sex.

If parents don't like the idea of their kids learning from porn then they should pull their heads out of the sand and get in there with their own lessons first.

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Edited by - danceswithporn on 10/12/2006 6:10:41 PM

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I don't like Gangbangs, but I do it because I'm getting paid for it.

Does any of this makes me gay? I don't give a fuck.

Steve Holmes

Edited by - Steve Holmes on 10/12/2006 6:25:42 PM

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It's no gayer, or straighter, than anything else. As far as porn goes, to me "parts is parts." I think, whether it's a Field Day for the Mope Squad or a Three Girl Rhumba, we're dealing with a "hive mind" when gonzo's the game.

As for David Foster Wallace, he makes some good points though bear in mind he spent a lot of time hanging out with Max Hardcore in that story.

Edited by - skronker on 10/12/2006 7:59:57 PM

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For one thing, society has come to accept homosexuality at least to the point to where gay people don't have to spend their whole lives hiding in the closet if they don't want to. They likely won't be disowned by their families or fired from their jobs if they "come out". There's still quite a bit of stigma there but not nearly as bad as it once was.

My guess is that most people who are entirely gay eventually just say so. With the (relative) anonymity of the internet, why would an entirely gay man want to watch women get fucked? He can look at as much gay porn as he wants to on the net and nobody will be the wiser. No reason to pretend when he's alone with his computer.

What I DO think is that we (humans) may be getting to the point to where we are starting to realize that there are many more people with bisexual tendencies than was once thought. The attitude about it has become quite a bit more relaxed so people don't beat themselves up about it so much if they pop a boner on some shemale content or (gasp) actually see an exposed cock (other than their own) and feel just a bit aroused by it.

In the end, I say.....so what if it is gay porn in disguise? I don't really think it is. As I said, I think it DOES have some (male as well as female) bisexual elements but for me, personally - If I wanted to see gay porn, I'd watch gay porn. I like women (I have had bisexual fantasies like probably pretty much everyone else on the planet) so I watch women.

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Did I cop a feel? Damn...self incrimination!

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Sorry 3SB, had to do it hun

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I think Outlaw Biker and Steve Holmes ought to meet me and 3SB at that pig bar in Hell's Kitchen in a couple of hours and we'll figure out what's gay or not.

Eric, don't you remember when we fought over Noahped like a BBQ chicken wing?

(joke, I know you were all up in Tiana's ribcage)

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Or else we all hold hands and dance around the giant pig!

Edited by - skronker on 10/12/2006 11:45:48 PM

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It is entirely valid to ask what porn producers intend with the material they are putting out these days. All are agreed that porn has changed dramatically in the last few years, with far more debatably gay/bisexual themes and images in "mainstream" porn. Why this change all of a sudden? What was so wrong with that tried and true formula of an attractive heterosexual couple having sex on terms that were neither illegal, abusive, unhealthy or downright dangerous? Is this really an issue of sexual addiction, whereby some folks are now so desensitized that "normal" sex does not satisfy them? My gut tells me that porn is now pandering to either closet homosexuals or potentially dangerous sex addicts. Either way, I think it's an unfortunate state of affairs for both the porn industry and the individuals viewing these more graphically extreme videos.

Edited by - Midtown on 10/13/2006 3:01:44 AM

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"The time has come for someone to put his foot down....and that foot is me."

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I will agree that it seems more posters are concerned about images they deem to be gay/bisexual showing up in 'their' porn than they were a few years ago, but perception isn't always reality. Considering that far more porn is made nowadays, I'm not sure that the material you cite represents a larger percentage than it ever did. In fact, I can't remember seeing a guy sucking cock in a 'straight' movie in a long time, so my perception is that there's less than there used to be.

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But you and Holmes feel free to pull me in you're ready for a little meat in that man sammich. Somebody else is going to have to hold the video camera, though.

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I somehow get the feeling you are going out of your way to rent material that offends your taste so you can have the pleasure of complaining about it.

I watch giant bubbling assloads of smut morning, noon and night -- much of it, believe it or not, for purely scientific reasons -- and even amid all the gonzo fare, most of it is pretty straightforward stuff. There is a lot of porn you can find with a harder edge, blowjobs especially are more intense these days, and anal seems mandatory, but also it is easier than ever to find titles that cater to your exact whim and fancy. That's what the Internet is handy for.

Oh wait, that's my apartment!

Honestly, I've watched every scrap of miscreant misanthropic mayhem you can even begin to imagine, and I still get off, about 90% of the time, during either the intro/tease segments (before anyone's punctured an orifice or punched any hapless teenage meth addicts in the face) or in the instances of what I believe is termed "hot sex," typically a one-on-one scene. The hottest moment in your beloved Fuck Slaves is Ardianna Nicole addressing Manuel Ferrara, just spitting out her nasty fantasies. He's fucking the shit out of her and knocking her around, but what's hot is her sharp gasps of breath, the way her lips pucker and vibrate, the intense look on his face and the hair that hangs in his eyes, the way the muscles move under their skin. You can see they are fucking, but you really only see their heads and shoulders. That's the fucking hottest minute of videotaped professional sex I've seen this year. So, I dunno ... take it where you can find it, I guess. In my experience, you can only have specific types of sex with people who enjoy those flavors, consenting adults and all that, so I don't see how it's anyone's business except for the people fucking.

Edited by - skronker on 10/13/2006 4:33:50 PM

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However, I'm not sure why I should be concerned if straight porn is catering to closet homosexuals. I think a fair amount of it caters to regular homosexuals who enjoy watching male cock and ass. Um ... so what? I, personally, do not enjoy watching scenes where girls have to eat out dude's assholes. I fast forward through those scenes. I don't like the "head upside down pistoning" BJ position, so popular these days. I FF thru that. I make a note of it in reviews, so producers know what one fan likes or dislikes, for further reference. But I have a good handle on which directors make stuff I am pretty sure to enjoy, and that's what I watch. And, for me, the less porn is overly defined by "straight" or "gay," the better.

It's like Baskin Robbins. You want Rocky Road or Peppermint Pistachio, you can get as many scoops as you like!

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There's lots that's not so great in gonzo porn, but I think your conspiracy theory is erroneous and even if it were true or correct, would it be so very bad? I'm having trouble understanding your concern.

I guess one way to think about it might be to imagine yourself in the scene, how would you handle the interaction? Would you turn to your fuck fellow and say, "No way I'm going near that pussy now you've been in there! Good god man, what were you thinking!"

I've said it before on this forum, if two men I cared for were fucking me and they enjoyed each other as well, I'd be completely delighted. If the girl on screen were to be getting pleasure from her two partners interacting would that make gonzo porn okay for you Midtown?

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Cmon, man.

Listen, as a gay guy I can tell you that we have zero interest in watching a dirl get a DAP, vomit or get choked to a point of almost passing out - kay? We have plenty of nasty gay product to refer to. As far as the whole transvestite and strap-on thang - Gay men don't particularly go for trannies, and if a guy is getting fucked hard up the ass - we usually prefer it's done by another guy.

That's not to say that there isn't a grey area and I see nothing gay about a straight guy who is into this sort of thing, just as I see nothing straight about a gay guy who likes to watch a girl eat a plate full of cum from a room full of dudes.

For example, I am a major fan of Brandon Iron's GSOI series and his site, spermcocktail. For one thing, Brandon is a class act and treats his girls like human beings - and Personally, I LOVE watching a willing girl happily consume copiuous amounts of cum shot directly into her mouth from a roomful of grunting, masculine straight men. Ther is no bigger turn on than watching the cum slowly collected into a glass or bowl and then gobbled up - this is rarely seem in gay porn. My only complaint is that the guys faces aren't shown enough.

So trust me, the average gay man likes to watch other gay men having sex and aren't interested in straight gonzo porn. I am an exception because I love cum so much, but trust me - I'm a commodity. The minute a chick is even brought into the picture, most of my gay freinds wince like bitches.

So, Midtown - if any of my likes or dislikes make you feel gay or uncomfortable, then that's between you and your therapist - but my simple suggestion would be to rent out the type of porn you like and quite with the "gonzo as gay" conspiracy theroies - there is plenty of smut to go around.

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