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Posted - Nov 10 2007 : 8:27PM
There have been some mean comments, but overall, I think it's been consumers expressing a preference. If you're in the business of trying to sell a product, you ignore your customers' stated preferences at your peril.So, did you or didn't you? In the last two years, how many times did you give a new guy a chance? I'm talking about a totally new guy, not some guy who was already marginally in the business.This is the crux of the problem. Familiarity breeds contempt. Fourteen scenes per week breeds lots of contempt. He's in way too many movies. If he was only in half as many movies as he really is, (1) it would still be a lot, and (2) it would still be too many. Shooting that many scenes, it's no wonder that they're all such cookie-cutter, joyless, by-the-numbers affairs. The guy is almost never shown getting aroused; he invariably plods into the frame, 12 o'clock high dick-first, having done god knows what off-camera to achieve that state. It's almost like some technician takes him out of a road case, switches him on, and pushes him in the direction of the girl.OK, this I agree with; he's not freak-of-nature big like some of the meat puppets, but he's probably packing more than 80% of the ADT readership. OK, 90%.
There is clearly a huge market for adult. There is clearly a huge supply of adult content. John Strong is not getting alot of love from people posting on this thread, and those doing the posting have good case for what they like and do not like. Calling for a boycot of JS may reach a few people, but I hope the comment is meant to be symbolic and not with the hope something is actually going to happen to people booking JS. Maybe it will... the millions who spend money on adult content, but not so much time on ADT are probably going to continue buying adult based on female talent, genre, price, director, company, and maybe, just maybe some peripheral interest in male talent. Whether JS is or is not in a production factors into the decision process of a very select few connoisseurs who spend a decent amount of money on product to feel invested in what they allocate resources toward. I would think, though have no way of knowing, that for production companies it comes down to "bottom line" factors most of us don't know about including who is available and are they reliable, among others. Again, as many have said in this thread, there is a TON of material out there withut JS. Enough to pick and choose without letting it ruin a video line or production company's titles. This is just my opinion, of course... I respect everyone else's. No slam intended toward ADT, I don't know the number of hits it gets, but I'm assuming there aren't millions of posters on these threads. I do love this site! I'm way too long winded... Edited by - MythMaker on 11/10/2007 9:38:54 PM
Ok, maybe JS is quite "primitive" (I hate when he froced girls to balls licking) but in all I like him. There are worse f.e.: Mr. Pete (there is something strange with his face), Mark Wood (really ugly guy - in real life no one of this girl will make it out with him - only for money) and Tony T (what an annoying face!). In fact JS isn't so bad. BTW: how tall is JS ? I noticed that all girls are taller than he ! IMO he has max 1.65m
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Posted - Nov 11 2007 : 12:57PM
Yeah, I HATE John Strong. He is on my list of male performers I wish would leave and never return to porn. His boring presence and lack of ability to get the girls off fucks up the scene. And he is annoying as fuck! I hope that **insert banned phrase** John Strong reads this and knows that he needs to stay away from a porn video set for life! Edited by - luvinit912 on 11/11/2007 12:58:37 PM Edited by - luvinit912 on 11/11/2007 1:41:04 PM
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Posted - Nov 11 2007 : 1:13PM
Pete, I used to not like you, but you have improved a lot in your performances. Your booty flicks for RLD are pretty good, and I like that you incorporate ass-cheek fucking in your scenes, even if you do that for just a little bit. Keep it up. Now back to topic, how do we get rid of John Strong?
Look ChristianX, you are another guy that I think should definitely be out of porn. I know that you and Strong might be friends, but both you guys sorry performances and seeing you two in so many titles makes it hard for viewers to enjoy scenes. Understand where we(the posters here) are coming from and the point of this thread.
Damn man, If you don't like these guys, then don't watch them. In regards to John Strong, I'm not super crazy about him, but I wouldn't boycott a product with him in it. I have more problems with his directing which seems very generic, but even there I am open to giving him another chance (I rented Obscene Behaviour #3 last night to do just that). As for Christian, I think he's a pretty good performer. I'll admit that I haven't seen him in a lot of stuff and I'm not all that interested in the tranny work, but I've seen him a few times in Silvera's Strap Attack series and he has always had a good performance. He seems to genuinely enjoy the work and I felt he was connecting with the female performers. I'm not crazy about watching the man being fed his cum, but that's what the director and stars decided was good for the scene and so be it. Bottom line, a lot of people on these boards really like Christian's work. As for boycotting films due to the male talent, for the most part I find this retarded. I've rarely seen guys that I totally couldn't stand. I want good talent to bring out the best in the girls, but unless they're are totally repulsive or have tiny dicks, I won't go out of my way to avoid particular guys. They're just not the reason I watch adult films. The only people on my no fly list at this point (off the top of my head) are The Minion who is beyond disgusting, Ed Powers and any other fat, disgusting sub-average looking guys out there (there was also this one nerdy looking guy in 10 Man Cum Slam #24 as well). The main thing lately that kills a guys work for me is when these idiots do a blowbang or something and leave their socks or sandals on. This shit annoys fuck out off me. Edited by - jrsl76 on 11/11/2007 2:05:13 PM
Now this I just don't get. In all my time watching porn of recent years, I've seen ChristianX in a scene maybe 4 times (That I know of. It's kinda hard to recognize a guy by his dick). In those performances, he did a very good job and I think the girls dug him. So. Not only is he easy to avoid if you just don't like him - he also isn't that bad of a performer. Probably better than at least a good 60% of the guys in American porn.
"...both you guys sorry performances and seeing you two in so many titles makes it hard for viewers to enjoy scenes. Understand where we(the posters here) are coming from and the point of this thread.
This should be taken at face value - there are a couple dozen posters here who find it relatively difficult to secure titles without JS as a performer. The industry should take note of their displeasure, some feel a bit of hatred too, and adjust the industry accordingly. Now that the JS issue has been brought to my attention, I find that I can only look at titles that have him as a performer, rent them, and watch them - it's making me pretty mad. These industry black holes are devious things - damn you porn!!!!
pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07
Posted - Nov 11 2007 : 7:03PM
Jesus, this is obnoxious, I don't care for John Strong, but the reactions here are waaaay over-the-top. He's boring, big deal. I can't understand not liking Manuel Ferrara or Michael Stefano either, unless you are distracted by the fact that the guy is actually enjoying himself, I think this helps turn on the girls and produces better scenes. I've seen Christian X in only a few scenes and he was fine, one scene with Jasmine Byrne was even excellent. The girls certainly seem to display a greater sense of fun when performing with him than many others.
Now this is really getting ridiculous. John Strong, ChristanX and other names in this thread belong to the the group of best performers. That's why they are in more movies than others. Still, I estimate there is at least 50 porn scenes produced per day (DVD and Internet). If you don't like a particular performer, just avoid his scenes. Or are you jealous that someone you don't like makes good money by fulfilling their fantasies. They will not stop for you. Steve Holmes
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Posted - Nov 11 2007 : 9:22PM
Look Holmes, I was just putting my 2 cents in. I actually think some of the male performers that some posters listed in this thread are the best. I can't believe people listed Manuel and Michael Stefano as bad perfomers, and Erik Everhard has some good performances also. People just have their different tastes I guess and dont like to see the same guys ruin a potentially hot scene with amazing looking girls. For example, Holmes you are considered by alot of people here as one of the best, but I think you are overrated. I like that you do the rimming and are into kissing the girls in your scenes, thats hot and I wish more male performers were into that. But thats all that you got going on.
Steve I know you're a damn good performer.. you keep it real and you dont' have that fake gangster or trying to potray what you're really not and for that yeah I do like your movies/scenes.. Great work.. I was just curious about that! ..Thank you for your honest reply and keep up the good work..
Weird? No. Not really. Only if you're a tightassed homophobe who hasn't come to terms with the fact that people exist who are open enough to explore other possibilities and just have fun. Sheesh! For a bunch of pervs, some of you guys are as prudish as a bunch of 90 year old ladies. I was wondering what could possibly be at the bottom of all the ChristianX bashing (Like I said, I haven't seen many of his scenes). Now I think I see. Just hit the goddamn skip button.
Just because you don't want to get fucked up the ass doesn't make you a homophobe. To the majority of straight men, a woman, a strapon and yourself does not come anywhere near "fun".
pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07
Posted - Nov 12 2007 : 3:39AM
The idea of being pegged doesn't appeal to me, I'm not into any kind of anal play, but neither does it make you gay. Even if it did, who gives a shit? There have been a lot of bisexual performers, both male and female, in porn since the beginning.
And what about Mark Ashley ? I think that he is very good performer, and has nice chemistry with all girls in his scenes. He can worship the beauty of the girls. JS usually fuck girls, or forced them to lick his balls and hole - he is like terminator, withou anny feelings ;)
To the contrary. Just because a particular performer allows himself to be fucked with a strap on doesn't have any repercussions to people who don't even like or watch the guy's scenes. It they don't like it, they don't have to watch it. They can see the guy's name on the box (usually) or there's usually a way to find out who's in it. I'm all for voting with your wallet. But the bashing is getting a little irritating. It's not just complaining. It's insulting. And as far as your second comment goes, what makes you think a woman even enjoys having a ten inch cock shoved up her ass? Probably most women don't enjoy that. If you want to argue about who gets the most benefit out of being fucked in the ass, there's this little thing called a prostate. Maybe you've heard of it. It's located just inside the anus and creates very pleasurable sensations when stimulated and/or massaged correctly. Now personally, this isn't my thing to see in porn. And I don't think I've ever really seen it unless I just landed on a random web site and saw it. How do you accidentally get a movie with female on male strapon scene in it? It's never happened to me. And if it did, I'd likely just skip the scene. Edited by - randomprecision on 11/12/2007 5:08:24 AM
I agree with RandomPrecision's last post 100%. Thank you N3TD for your comment.You are probably right and I don't even try to be the best. I just do what I like and hope some people enjoy watching it. Anybody who doesn't can find enough alternatives. Steve Holmes
Honestly, I don't care how "dependable" John Strong is, I won't watch him in anything--he is the undisputed king of my no rent/no buy list. Tony T is now second on the list--it was Everhard, but he turned in a nice scene with Italia Christie on In Thru the Out Door 3 that caused a reassessment. Once again, I watch porn for the women, living vicariously through the male talent--bad male talent (acts like an asshole, little dick, weak cum shot--see Tony T) kills the experience. Too many of these guys want to be stars like the girls nowadays, and want their own names on the front of the boxes, but good male talent is ultimately anonymous male talent. Strong would be easier to ignore if he weren't in EVERYTHING released by Anabolic/Diabolic/Red Light/PXP over the last 10 years. I may be looking forward to seeing a new girl in scene only to find out she's working working with Strong, Tony T, or Stefano and the title becomes dead to me. And stop hating on Mr Pete--he's a good performer. Unlike Strong and Tony T he actually likes women, and they respond positively to him, which is key. He gets good, passionate, genuine reactions from the females and doesn't shove women out of the way to get his own face on camera, which are Strong and Tony T's favorite moves. Edited by - BobArctor on 11/12/2007 9:54:47 AM
"They will not stop" before WE boycott the product! It's not just to download any porn, Steve, I am a bit more critical to it. I have had my fair share of trashy porn. I usually go and search after scenes with my female favourites or studios or directors when I want some porn. How annoying if that potential cool scene/dvd, gets ruined by certain male performers. If this happens a few times it's understandable and OK, but when it becomes the rule rather than the exception, you start to wonder. I think it's interesting to hear from Steve Holmes, but I am a bit sorry to say that you have lost some of your "mojo". Age and over-exposure perhaps, but thinking back to the glory days when you and Stagliano went to Berlin, and now seeing the e.g. "Babysitter 15" scene with a very young Haley Paige crying on camera, I just wonder what has happened to "good ol' Steve". Maybe I don't understand the dynamics of porn here, and maybe I am on very thin ice, but I still think I am entitled to express my opinion of Steve Holmes, since mr Holmes enters this thread and defends JS so strong. Understand us from a consumer perspective, Steve, and don't hail John Strong on the sole basis of his Duracell-perfection technique...
Good for you. Nobody forces you to do so.That is true for you. Many people want to see everybody involved in the act. It is the director's decision how to shoot the scene and than the consumer's if he buy/rent it.You better stop telling people whom to like or not. If somebody decides to hate Pete, me or anybody else, let them do so. __________________ Dear WhiteBOY, of course you are entitled to express your opinion. That is what this forum is all about. And if you liked "good ol' Steve" better than me today, it's fine. People develop in different directions. I guess that's a reason for many divorces. It hurt a little when you mentioned Haley Paige in "Babysitter 15". I really liked her and the message of her death made me sad. Best regards Steve Holmes Edited by - Steve Holmes on 11/12/2007 12:04:12 PM
WhiteBoy proclaims: "They will not stop" before WE boycott the product! It's not just to download any porn, Steve, I am a bit more critical to it. I have had my fair share of trashy porn. I usually go and search after scenes with my female favourites or studios or directors when I want some porn. How annoying if that potential cool scene/dvd, gets ruined by certain male performers. If this happens a few times it's understandable and OK, but when it becomes the rule rather than the exception, you start to wonder. --> Realistically, you and the few posting on this thread are a minority. Very few consumers, relatively speaking, post on this thread, and of those consumers only a fraction are as vehemenently gung-ho as you are. What world are you living in that John Strong is in every video of which you are aware? Of the thousands of productions put out every month, are you limited to 3 or 4 that you must have, but feel cheated because John Strong is in 4 out of the 20-24 scenes? How much adult do you watch that John Strong permeates your life so pervasively? I hope this is providing an effective medium for you to vent, cause you might think about taking a break from watching adult if it causes so much anguish - especially with such a ludicrous premise. It's not me it's the industry (world) is not a great mind-set to enter. Bottom line, there is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too much variety constantly put forth to make the argument John Strong is overriding even a fraction of a genre a reasonable assertion. I would think 99.9% of people would agree you can find lots of product, with stars, directors, and themes you enjoy that have minimal, if any, involvement with John Strong. WhiteBoy goes on: I think it's interesting to hear from Steve Holmes, but I am a bit sorry to say that you have lost some of your "mojo". Age and over-exposure perhaps, but thinking back to the glory days when you and Stagliano went to Berlin, and now seeing the e.g. "Babysitter 15" scene with a very young Haley Paige crying on camera, I just wonder what has happened to "good ol' Steve". Maybe I don't understand the dynamics of porn here, and maybe I am on very thin ice, but I still think I am entitled to express my opinion of Steve Holmes, since mr Holmes enters this thread and defends JS so strong. Understand us from a consumer perspective, Steve, and don't hail John Strong on the sole basis of his Duracell-perfection technique... This is a bit pointed, and you probably shouldn't use we/us as though you speak for more than the 15 or so people on this thread who support your opinion. If you do, you might want to say things in a hypothetical context. This is an interesting thread, but we should try to bring some of the assertions back to Earth. Edited by - MythMaker on 11/12/2007 12:37:20 PM
The argument that those of us that don't like John Strong should just avoid his scenes rings somewhat false to me. Look, one of the major complaints about the guy is that he's in so damn many scenes that he's hard to avoid. The dude just pops up everywhere. He must shoot at least 3 scenes a day. In my case, yeah, I avoid him as much as possible, but sometimes he just pops up anyway. And yeah, that does make him one of the workhorses of the industry. But why is that a good thing if so many people are on this forum complaining about him? And this isn't the first thread, either. This subject has come up over and over again. You industry people need to start understanding that THIS IS FEEDBACK! You know your per unit sales volumes are going down. Maybe you should start paying attention to what people are saying about your products.
Word. I mean we are the ones keeping these people in business, we buy movies, we don't download them for free or buy pirated stuff so we have a little right to express our opinions even if it's against the old boys network.
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Posted - Nov 12 2007 : 2:38PM
It's really frustrating when I buy a DVD and the one scene I'm most interested in is the one that he is in as well.
You know about and obviously use ADT. I assume you know about and probably use IAFD and AVN for sources of information. I would think you could have the foresight and ability to locate a DVD without JS, that features the star you want to see. Trying to reinforce the notion that thousands, literally thousands, of titles are released monthly that do not have JS. Am I wrong? Is it more like 7-8 hundred? That would still be nearly 8-9 thousand titles a year without John Strong. Yet because he was in the scene with Brianna in Creamy Goodness part 3D, he's simply ruined the DVD experience for you? I know, I know... he's also in the Juggs For Hire video, and the Butts Butts and Away part 20, and Freaky Diva- the Ultimate Collection (an annoying 3 times here!!!). He's everywhere! I mean, I had trouble finding, in the other 97% of adult material produced, anything with the stars I'd like to see or directors who film what I like. I have banged my head against this wall long enough... the horse is dead... the sun has set... there is no more joy in Mudville... I'm going to write the APA about an additional diagnosis for the upcoming DSM-V.
WTF? Who's talking about pedos? We're talking about ADULT films with an ADULT cast here. Gay and bisexual themes have not been considered criminal for a long time by most people (although there's a very loud minority that just refuses to let that die). I read a lot on here and believe it or not, there are people who have asked for strapon sex with the female on top of the male. I can't point you to the exact posts but I do remember them. At any rate, you're a grownup. You have the internet at your fingertips. Use it. I can tell you that coming onto sites like ADT and posting insults about John and Christian and whom ever else is not going to win you any favors.And there was no way to check to see who was in it or what acts were involved before purchase? Just out of curiosity, I checked the box cover a couple of minutes ago. That sure looks like John Strong on the lower left of back cover to me. Maybe I'm blind and it ain't him, though. So here's a novel concept. Look for directors and studios that make stuff you like and have the talent be secondary to that. I find I can get into almost anybody if they're doing something I like. This isn't to say you shouldn't complain. I complain all the time here. But I try not to name names and try my best not to insult people in the business. Particularly personally. It's just incredibly tacky and they're sure not gonna listen if you open up with an insult.There are always ways to find these things out. You can ask on here, for instance. There are generally a couple of reviews somewhere if it's a big release. Sure it's extra work but such is the life of a perv.
Mark Ashley is a great performer! He does his job so well that often I don't even notice it's him (unless I see his face) until I realize I'm really enjoying the scene and things are just flowing and the girl is really getting off. One of the best in the business right now.
Growing porn revenues and less sales per title means there is much more different movies out there to choose from. In his whole career John Strong has performed in less titles than porn valley releases in one month. check out http://www.iafd.com/person.rme/perfid=JohnStrong/gender=m/John-Strong.htm And that is true for almost everybody in the business. Stop wailing and just avoid watching people you don't like. Feedback is a good thing, but asking for somebody to stop existing is ridiculous. Steve Holmes
pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07
Posted - Nov 12 2007 : 9:33PM
Leatherdick, you pick up a video called FUCK SLAVES, and then find out it has some perverted S&M shit on it? What is the world coming to, is the average porn viewer safe no more?
You better stop telling people whom to like or not. If somebody decides to hate Pete, me or anybody else, let them do so. Edited by - Steve Holmes on 11/12/2007 12:04:12 PM
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So if I feel like hating on John Strong you'll keep your yap shut next time, right?
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Posted - Nov 12 2007 : 11:58PM
I can avoid him most of the time, but especially with new releases, scene-by-scene information isn't always available. That's why I often ask about scene-by-scene matchups when directors start threads about upcoming releases. Also, you're an asshole.
PornScout proclaims: I can avoid him most of the time, but especially with new releases, scene-by-scene information isn't always available. That's why I often ask about scene-by-scene matchups when directors start threads about upcoming releases. Also, you're an asshole. [/quote] I was trying to be sarcastic, not mean - relax. This fed off your quote, but was not necessarily directed at you - you share a similar dilemna of not being able to find adult material without JS involved. PornScout, this thread has spewed venom and ridiculous claims left and right. Perhaps I am not the one to defend JS, though I think I've stayed fairly neutral in that regard. To assert my opinion, in perhaps just as pointed a way as many posters in this thread have toward JS and other, and I'm considered an asshole? This is the only thread, to date, that I've come remotely close to taking a position in opposition to another. The first. Just because I disagree with yu, and many others, about their over-generalizations and over-dramatizations abut an easily resoluable issue does not make me an asshole. It makes me assertive. It may take a few weeks, but scene by scene breakdowns can generally be found. I would think if you really wanted to know something about a video, you could find out (even directly from the company). Notice I'm not finishing with a rejoinder - play nice. Edited by - MythMaker on 11/13/2007 2:37:29 AM Edited by - MythMaker on 11/13/2007 2:40:39 AM
Mod: To everyone involved in this thread. Please take a moment, a deep breath, and chill the fuck out. There's no need for people to be insulting one another here.
Mod hat off - Anyone who has a massive dislike of any performer or act is best advised to take the initiative and wait a week or two after a title's release to do their research so they can avoid any performers or acts they dislike. Taking the time to examine boxcovers in the internets will also sometimes avail you of who is making fuck with whom in a given title. This is particularly prevalent if you live in a country where you can't rent porn and have to buy it. I know, because I live in a country where I can't rent porn but have to buy it. This means I act like an adult consumer and do my research before buying stuff. ADT reviews, rame.net review archive. IAFD.com has scene breakdowns. Den's reviews. Posts on forums like this one. There's lots of sources of information if you wait a couple of weeks after release. Sometimes I still get stung, but for the most part, I manage to avoid performers I dislike, or if I do get something featuring someone I dislike (say, Mr Pete), then I know it going in and it's on my own head. As for John Strong (or ChristianX for that matter) I'm pretty sure neither of them happen to be in the last, say, 40 DVDs I've purchased. And I haven't been trying to avoid either of them, either. It would all depend on what you buy. If RLD or PXP use the guy a lot, then perhaps you're best off buying from Combat Zone and Diabolic instead, or Voyeur Video, etc, for example.
Thanks for all your support. I already jerked off to the pictures (and panties) you send me and I still hope we finally meet some day.Hating him or me or anybody else is OK. I just wonder. Hate and love is a very strong feeling. I could never have that strong of a feeling to people I've just seen on screen. Ok, Hitler, Goebels and Stalin may be an exception. Steve Holmes
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