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Ramsey
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Posted - Nov 13 2007 : 12:33PM
If only it would be that easy. I mean almost all companies do NOT list the males on the boxcovers so it's a big risk! Also if you can't ID the guys from the pictures on the boxcover. And sometimes you already know not to buy movies from a certain director because he will always use the same guys you don't like, Jake Malone is a perfect example for me. I also don't buy Elegant Angel movies because they also use the guys I don't like.
That's also why I always ask directors here for the male cast also because that way I can make my own choice if I want to buy a certain movie or not. I have to admit sometimes I do buy a movie with a guy I don't like but I just skip the scene he's in, of course I'm getting less for my money but the other scenes might be worth it. I have been doing that with the latest Rodney Moore movies. I just skip the scenes with Jack Venice and Lee Stone for example.
Kulutues
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Posted - Nov 13 2007 : 6:49PM
I assumed it was fairly obvious that John Strong was one of the better performers in gonzo. He gives 100% every time in every position, all the time, anchors DPs very well, and always pops on time.
For those who lop him with Erik Everhard, and also Manuel Ferrara, saying they are all bad, I have no idea how to interpret your reasoning. I may understand Strong being interpreted as connecting with the girl less, but only because he doesn't kiss or do more sensual things like that. But he is obviously very vocal and very into the women physically and emotionally. And all of those go without saying for Manuel and Erik. I have no idea what porns you are watching.
It seems many of you simply wish for all male talent to be banished from porn for whichever reason, nearly all trivial ones. I think you want for every actor to be gone so there are only girls, and then you think in your bizarro world where Strong, Ferrara, and Everhard are bad performers that you will be called in to perform. Heh.
melpster
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Posted - Nov 13 2007 : 7:31PM
And we shall sometime soon, Mr. Holmes, once my traveling finances improve again. Hit up the town and have a few drinks. You have a lot ot teach me about this thing called "beer" I've been hearing so much about.
I guess I don't really have much to contribute to this conversation in terms of what men are looking for in their porn. But at the same time as a woman who loves porn I'm also searching for titles with great male performers because, well, I likes the mens. And I am often specifically hunting down titles with the men that I enjoy and I can understand the frustration when they don't list their names on the box covers, and I often have to do most of my pre-shopping research here on the computer to find the titles with the right men that I am searching. Sometimes there are male performers that I am not crazy about, but I skip their scenes altogether. And sometimes they are working with a girl that I particularly love but I might still watch it anyway. Most of my favorite girls in the business are physical, sexual, and charismatic dymanos, and I often trust them to bring at least a modicum of heat to any scene, no matter what a stiff their male partner may be.
As far as my personal choice, I can take or leave John Strong. He has actually been in a few of my all time favorite scenes, but he isn't what I typically seek out in a male performer, as I prefer my men to connect more with the women the way Ferrara, Holmes, and Everhard are famous for doing. But even if you guys don't like Strong, it really isn't that hard to avoid him. I haven't seen him in a scene in almost a year and it's not like I'm actively avoiding him. As its been stated before, there is far too much porn out there to chose from to get too worked up over anyone you don't like in this business. I don't much care for John Mayer's music, so I don't buy his albums. Sometimes I might hear a song of his when I'm out in public, but I don't let it ruin my day.
Anyway, my
BlackSix All-Star Supporter
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Posted - Nov 14 2007 : 1:59AM
Isn't submission and domination part and parcel of BDSM? Sometimes it is a woman being dominated, sometimes it is the guy. In general, there is perverted craziness of all kinds going down in any Jake Malone flick.
 
Jaelyn Fox
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That's how I do bitches...
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10/07
Posted - Nov 14 2007 : 3:14PM
I personally absolutely LOVE to work with Jon Strong. He is an amazing performer and has great energy all through his scenes consistantly. I think all of you need to be quiet because you have no idea what it's like to have to perform everyday mostly with girls you don't want to have sex with. Go find someone else to talk crap about. I love Jon Strong... definetely in my top 10 list of performers.
ragingbull
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Posted - Nov 14 2007 : 6:36PM
Man ADVDT really is a bastion of free speach
HeyNow All-Star Supporter
Oblivious

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Posted - Nov 14 2007 : 10:11PM
Really now? Just lay back and have some fun.
Remember the first rule is you do not talk about fight club then the 2nd rule is you DO NOT talk about fight club then after all that the rule is that posting a bunch of crazed nonsense about democracy and free speech will only lead to the deactivation of your account. Those aren't my words, but come directly from a little something called da da da: Forum Etiquette!
Or did you mean free peaches?
Edited by - heynow on 11/14/2007 10:20:03 PM
luvinIt912
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Posted - Nov 14 2007 : 10:29PM
Who are you?
undone
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what's for dinner?
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Posted - Nov 14 2007 : 11:12PM
Bottomline...nothing lasts forever....too much taken for granted, once successful does not mean always successful, studios like RLD and PXP are on their way out...they are working the numbers now, producing more titles, same program, less sales each title...riding their past success...they and their stable has become....BORDOM...period. Predictable and boring same old sex, same people, same style...predictable, the love affair is gone. Styles come in favor and leave. John's style is dead. He will refuse to mod and fade. Steve...seems like you aren't working?? Even the couch John Strong fucks on is in every scene he does. Lazy, so are these studios because the "talent" that has gotten old now directs. The best directors, do not fuck, they demand they get what they want from a scene or you do not work for them again. Boycott John Strong, Eric Everhard and Stagliano...no excitement...predictable crap ruins what looks promising with those hot box covers. Sad.
leatherdick
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Posted - Nov 14 2007 : 11:19PM
Never heard of her myself but here is her c.v.
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Harri Patel
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Posted - Nov 14 2007 : 11:21PM
Jaelyn Fox
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Posted - Nov 15 2007 : 4:08AM
undone, boycott Stagliano? The man who puts out Jake Malone, Belladonna, Joey Silvera and Fashionistas?
Ramsey
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Trina Michaels fan
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10/02
Posted - Nov 15 2007 : 1:09PM
I will give you the first two but John Stagliano? He's the greatest director EVER and he will always be the greatest because no other director has such a vision. Buttman set the example how porn should be shot!
John Stagliano is the one who's often imitated but never duplicated, not the guy who's using this line in his sig!
phatasslover
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Posted - Nov 15 2007 : 2:00PM
The fact that his job is "hard" doesn't change the fact that he is utter crap to watch. Especially when he makes pathetic attempts to gape a girls ass with his 6 inch pecker.
This wannabe Erik Everhard needs to go.
 
Jaelyn Fox
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That's how I do bitches...
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10/07
Posted - Nov 15 2007 : 3:26PM
Everhard hates women and hurts them during scenes... Jon loves women and makes them feel good during scenes... I personally would like to see a woman enjoying herself rather than crying and wincing in pain.
ragingbull
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Posted - Nov 15 2007 : 3:35PM
I agree I have never liked Everhard. When he gets head he smothers the girls face so you can't even see her. During sex scenes he pumps too hard and talk obnoxiously. He dyes his hair blond, this isn't 8th grade. He wears Superman shirts, he sucks.
leatherdick
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5/07
Posted - Nov 15 2007 : 3:52PM
I hadn't heard of you but I have been checking you out on the web and you are a very sexy girl who has made me have a wank. Any up coming titles you can tell me about?
Everhard hates women and hurts them, any scene s inparticular that you have heard about?
Jaelyn Fox
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That's how I do bitches...
24 Posts
10/07
Posted - Nov 15 2007 : 5:33PM
Actually the 4th scene I did was with Eric Everhard in The Ties That Bind #2 and my pussy was so swollen it was about twice it's normal size afterward. I had to sit on a bag of ice for 3 days.... But he does produce an awesome scene every time. As for my movies... these are the ones I have out currently:
Just Turned 18 5
The Ties That Bind 2
Love At 1st Fuck 2
Barely 18 37
Don't Let Daddy Know 3
Fast Times at Naughty America University 4
Just Over Eighteen 18
Young Stand-up Titties 3
18 Year Old Pussy 11
Teacher's Pet 14
Cream Pie Squad #3
She's Half My Age
and my name used to be chase cox so I'm also in these movies as chase cox:
Cum-Eating Teens #6
2 New 2
Savoy All-Star Supporter
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Sucker for Sinners
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Posted - Nov 15 2007 : 6:43PM
OH MY GOD!!!
why did you change it? i would have never forgotten that name. Holy Shit! That's priceless.
RandomPrecision
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Enjoy!
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Posted - Nov 15 2007 : 7:27PM
I don't think he hates women. I think that's just how he likes to fuck. Of course, I haven't met him and you have so you would have a perspective I don't have. Other than the fact that he fucks hard, I've seen no evidence that he hates women in any of the scenes I've seen. He appears to really enjoy women from what I can see.
leatherdick
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In the Court of the Crimson King
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5/07
Posted - Nov 15 2007 : 9:40PM
Jaelyn thanks for the reply. A lot of those titles haven't even come out yet so lots to look forward to!
Assanova
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Posted - Nov 15 2007 : 11:16PM
John Strong has the shut up and fuck attitude I like from male pornstars. If you want chemsitry go watch couples appeal. Strong does gonzo, which I thought was just about watching girls get fucked. Who looks for chemistry in an RLD movie anyway?
Steve Holmes
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1235 Posts
12/02
Posted - Nov 16 2007 : 2:20AM
She is the best fuck I had in a long time. I expect her to have a great career.
Are you already cheating on me?
Where did you get that from? I did 167 scenes so far this year.
Steve Holmes
Erik_Everhard
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246 Posts
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Posted - Nov 16 2007 : 10:02PM
Woah, i missed the news, didn't realize i hated women.... Last time i checked jaelyn we got along really well that day, i know i didn't hate you on that set, did i miss the memo. I do remember eating your pussy a whole lot, not sure if people that hate women do that sort of thing. And why so friendly towards me the last couple of times i've run into you, that would seem out of character too don't you think? Was your pussy swollen, yes. We fucked for quite a long time that day, not uncommon, but if something hurts, or is painful I would think it would do a lot more service for someone to say something on the set rather than a public forum 5 months after the fact..... just my 2 cents.
Erik Everhard " Always imitated NEVER duplicated"
 
ragingbull
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Posted - Nov 16 2007 : 10:05PM
How come in your performences you always feel the need to overshadow the girl by talking and grabbing.
Dragnet 2007
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Posted - Nov 16 2007 : 10:35PM
People can judge people on what they know. but when the door closes and you really look hard at these guys they are not stellar individuals. Steve you should start a john strong fan club.
I agree people can like whom they want and dislike whom they want.
Hey I just thought of a great movie title "the redlight stooges" starring pete john and cuba but who's going to play MOE.
leatherdick
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Posted - Nov 16 2007 : 10:41PM
I have watched Erik in a lot of scenes as a performer and a director and I never have had the impression that he hates women, which is why I asked Jaelyn which scenes she was referring to. There is a intensity to his performance which is why I rate him as one of the best performers and directors in porn. Erik is there going to be Anal POV 5? What's the cast list, any chance you and Jaelyn could kiss and make up and include her!
conquistador
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Posted - Nov 16 2007 : 11:01PM
Dragnet 2007
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Posted - Nov 16 2007 : 11:20PM
RLD is on its way out. David Joseph has no idea of what's going on in his own company, their scenes are to predictable and their in-house directors are stooping to anything to get their scenes done. I have spoken to female talent that have done scenes with him and complain about how rough he is. John Strong has a Napoleon complex when it comes to women.
John try 24 hour fitness I heard they are looking for personal trainers. I thought you were a weight lifter trying for the olympics in another life. maybe a career change might help for a while.
ragingbull
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Posted - Nov 16 2007 : 11:42PM
From what I hear David Joseph could care less about porn. He wants to control cost, hence why he got rid of "ownership deals" etc.. Biggest $$ RLD has made is off celeberity tapes.
007
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Posted - Nov 17 2007 : 3:53AM
Could this be sarcasm?? A case of getting names mixed up? Jon loves them but Everhard hates them? Very odd.
EDIT: I missed this the first time.
Could the user known as Jaelyn Fox be John Strong in disguise? ;D
Edited by - 007 on 11/17/2007 3:53:52 AM
Edited by - 007 on 11/17/2007 3:58:25 AM
wewe
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Posted - Nov 17 2007 : 7:27AM
Sorry but i think the topic has been going on in a wrong way and become human personal attack. Porn is porn, and no one forces you see John Strong. So i really wonder why you dislike some performer, and at the same time watching his scenes.
I am a John Strong fans, i dislike anal, DP or gang bang and thus the one on one action produced by John in RLD really suit my taste.
If a man can survive in a business for a long time, i think he must have something that is needed by the Biz.
WhiteBOY
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Posted - Nov 17 2007 : 7:32AM
AS the threadstarter, I sadly see that the thread goes off-track again, but it's very interesting however. So I might as well throw in some other views and comments (ya all know my feelings for the performance of JS now).
Now, let me just state my support in favour of Erik Everhard, I think he is one of the top 3 directors around. One the one hand, you always now what you get: superb quality and arousment. Everytime. I have never seen one bad movie directed of Everhard. On the other hand, he always throws in some surprises, so you never know what you get. I saw "JailBait 3" last night, and the silly and cheezy and very funny sequence where he is cruising and trash-talking with Max Hardcore made me laugh out loud. Very interesting too, for the above average interested porn-fan. Erik Everhard is original, fresh and multi-talented, both as a performer and as a director. In my mind, only Stagliano and Belladonna are slightly better.
And Erik, anyone who has ever seen one of the scenes you have done with Mia Rose, will see and understand that you really love women!!! I bet we all dream of satisfying a woman like you manage. Keep up your good work, and bless you. I know you hadn't been offered contracts with Evil Angel and later Jules Jordan if you had lacked talent. I love your long and intense scenes!
Edited by - WhiteBoy on 11/17/2007 7:35:13 AM
Manuel Ferrara
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Posted - Nov 17 2007 : 4:39PM
anybody that think they can do a better job than him are welcome to try.
you don't like him or steve or me or anybody else, don't get the dvd. it's not like there is 2 dvd's released a month. i'm sure you'll find something you like.
Ramsey you are my little sunshine in the middle of the clouds.
manuel ferrara
always duplicated never imitated...(or whatever erik says);)
 
phatasslover
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Posted - Nov 17 2007 : 5:43PM
This whole theory of "don't buy the dvd if you dont like him" is bullshit. If the guy wasn't in that many scenes, that would be an answer. But considering how many damn movies he is in, this is hard to do. Seriously, I downloaded a ton of clips today and he was in at least half of them. So sad seeing a hottie like Lana Kraft get fucked by this douchebag.
luvinIt912
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Posted - Nov 17 2007 : 8:40PM
I also dont agree with that excuse for "if you dont like it, dont buy it" bullshit. Crappy performers who I hate like John Strong, Nat Turner, and Derrick Pierce are getting in so many scenes on websites, DVD's and yet people wonder why consumers are complaining about them and why its so hard to avoid their scenes.
John Strong has fucked up many scenes for just about every RLD movies, along with some for Evil Angel and Elegant Angel. Nat Turner (who I have a history of talking shit about in this board, but for good reason) is a thorn in Justin Slayer movies, and he is single handedly responsible for making the OnionBooty.com website trash with his steroid-poppin and gansta-wannabe ass. And Derrick Pierce, hes now getting a lot of work, but looking at his face in the screen makes me want to just punch my monitor.
This very annoying with these guys getting so much work, and it needs to stop. If it means a reduced number of DVDs being released each month, then so be it. Thats better than having to see all these ******* in scenes.
shellshock91
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Posted - Nov 17 2007 : 9:34PM
There was a time when I was a fan of his (John Strong) work, but those were the earlier days. I rarely pay any attention to his work now. Mostly because I believe that there's much better talent out there that I happen to enjoy. Not a huge knock on him, but I just stay away from Red Light District. Can't stand the company. Platinum X Pictures, well, I really don't have any major problems with them, but they are very repetative too, and not in the good way for me to enjoy on a regular basis.
As for Double E, the guy is one of my favorite male performers of all time. His energy is impeccable. His directorial skills have greatly improved since his earlier films during the beginning of this decade, and he provides so much great chemistry between his female co-stars and himself in scenes. I don't have one negative comment to say about Erik.
Edited by - shellshock91 on 11/17/2007 9:41:51 PM
phatasslover
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Posted - Nov 17 2007 : 10:17PM
I also think Erik Everhard is a top notch performer. It's really a disgrace to compare this guy to John Strong. Not even close in terms of talent. Not to mention, you can see the women dig fucking EE, unlike John "little pecker" Strong.
scipio
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Posted - Nov 17 2007 : 10:20PM

Mod:
Guys, either grow up or the topic will be locked. This is not a FFA bash-board.
phatasslover - drop the personal insults.
luvinIt912 - I don't think your post is going to do much in terms of reducing the amount of porn churned out each month.

"If you don't like it, don't buy it." Far from being "bullshit", it is a completely reasonable premise.
In fact, by not buying scenes with John Strong or whoever you dislike in them you'd be sending a message much stronger than complaining and swearing on a porn board.
There's plenty of stuff out there. Buy something else.

christianx
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Posted - Nov 18 2007 : 1:21AM
manuel, your catchphrase should be "making panties wet from my accent alone" or maybe as an alternate "attempting to guard Christian in the low post without getting elbowed in the head"
MikeOxhard
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Posted - Nov 18 2007 : 2:46AM
Steve, just curious, have you ever actually walked off a set because of this? I've seen quite a few pornstars on this forum say they don't like kissing because it's too intimate (whereas sex isn't)
MikeOxhard
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Posted - Nov 18 2007 : 3:34AM
I wouldn't agree with this. Erik does have a vigorous style, some women like it when they get fucked hard, some don't, but I don't think that's fair to say Eric hates women, everything I've seen from him would indicate the exact opposite.
Steve Holmes
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Posted - Nov 18 2007 : 6:53PM
In the past I did whatever people booked me for. Lately I can pick and choose. Now if a girl tells me "I don't kiss" I just tell her "OK, than you don't do the scene." So far they all decided for the pay cheque.
Steve Holmes
Nocturnal Justice
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Posted - Nov 18 2007 : 9:27PM

earlier:
N3TD wrote:
Steve you need to stop trying to kiss all the girls sometimes in your scenes you can clearly see the girls are turning their heads or just disgusted and don't really want to kiss you! Do you ever ask them before the scene is shot or you just try the spur of the moment thing?
Kissing is essential for me. Some girls have this "you can fuck me, but I only kiss my boyfriend" attitute. Than I refuse to work with her. I would even leave a started set and everybody exept the location owner and the make-up artist looses their pay. Including me.
Steve Holmes
now:
MikeOxhard wrote:
Steve, just curious, have you ever actually walked off a set because of this? I've seen quite a few pornstars on this forum say they don't like kissing because it's too intimate (whereas sex isn't)
In the past I did whatever people booked me for. Lately I can pick and choose. Now if a girl tells me "I don't kiss" I just tell her "OK, than you don't do the scene." So far they all decided for the pay cheque.
Steve Holmes
The first one suggests you then decline to do the scene and don't mind about losing money but won't make somebody do something they don't really want to do.
The second one suggests N3TD was kind of right. Which would mean: If she first refuses, then decides to pick up the pay cheque ( if needed after applying some pressure from yourself or a befriended director ) it doesn't really matter to you if she's into it or not.
Two contradicting statements.

MythMaker
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Posted - Nov 18 2007 : 10:14PM
You're reading things into what Steve says. In both cases he maintains that kissing is essential. In the first case he emphasizes the point by saying he would forgo the money at hand to do the scene if kissing was not allowed by the girl. In the second statement, Steve refers back to that statement by saying when the girl understands refusal is a deal breaker, she will allow the kissing. Steve never says that the girls are always totally into him and love everything about the sexual contact.
Kissing may be on the table as too intimate, but every aspect of a sex scene is intimate - hello, anal! It's nice if the pair are into each other, which I believe is usually the case, but it's not realistic to assume that even if the kissing is allowed by the girl it is an indication of being on a "more than business" level with the male talent. Steve, I believe, said HE expects kissing to do a scene, but he never says the girl is always enthusiastic about the act.
Now I'm reading too much into everything - what a tangled web!!!
Bottom line, everyone is there for a paycheck, and boundaries change when conditions of payment vary. I think, at any rate. I'm just a fan with a computer.
Edited by - MythMaker on 11/18/2007 10:15:45 PM
melpster
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Posted - Nov 18 2007 : 11:47PM
That's the way I see it. A girl can have a "no kissing" clause if she wants, although she has to expect a certain amount of limitations in her job for her choices. The same goes if she refuses to do anal. She has that right, but just expect not to get paid as much as you would if you didn't limit yourself. She can decide if its important enough to her to get paid to change her mind, if only for just this shoot, or she can agree to call it off and not get paid. I don't think anybody's forcing her to do something she's 100% against. At least that's my naive, uneducated observation.
Bob All-Star Supporter
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Posted - Nov 19 2007 : 2:35AM
I realize that Erik is defending himself from a serious charge by Jaelyn here, but this is a ridiculous statement.
Plenty of people who eat pussy hate women.
Steve Holmes
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Posted - Nov 19 2007 : 3:25AM
I don't see any contradiction. In both statements I made it very clear: Kissing is essential for me. I rather do a scene without a blow job than without kissing.
It might come shocking to you, but some girls do it just for the money.
In general you got me right MythMaker.
Fortunately that is not always true.
Steve Holmes
Bob All-Star Supporter
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Posted - Nov 19 2007 : 7:42PM
On the other hand, we all know that no woman who sucks cock hates men.
Bob All-Star Supporter
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Posted - Nov 19 2007 : 7:49PM
Although Erik may have meant:
-- If you're a porn stud, you don't have to eat pussy on set. So if you do, you're being a good guy.
-- On the other hand, if you're a porn chick, sucking cock is part of the job description, so it doesn't get you any man-love points.
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