and just why is that? if one of your fave directors said the same thing would you still not buy into it, or would you instead be a firm believer? sometimes no matter what your actual experience is, people are still going to believe what they want to. if other shooters paid more then I suppose Foobachi IS right, somewhat. if I personally did not, then he IS wrong, somewhat. see what I'm trying to show here? me & my contemporaries were ALL in that maelstrom of super gonzo from 03'-07'... because of the strength of specific series like Down The Hatch & NCDA, swallowing became something that was added more frequently to the ever burgeoning blowbang & oral category of xxx... 'certain' gals might ask for more, and 'certain' people might have paid for it. but in that era, it was yes or no since there was SO much work to be had, for everyone, you could always find a gal that would in just a few phone calls... Foobachi, I get the drift you're not a fan since you repeatedly tend to chime in with sentiments of disagreement over topics or events I was actually privy to. if I'm honest about something, you like to mention I'm whining,... what gives bub? if you really are not a fan, just fucking come out and say it. I can handle it. because regardless of how much money I do or don't have, I'm STILL in porno. if you can't come out and say it, then just STFU... lates, von S.
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Posted - Feb 22 2016 : 9:59AM
I don't have an issue with you personally, one way or another. I just think it's kind of funny that in one breath you're saying that in 2016 it's crazy expensive to shoot and produce a swallowing-themed blowbang movie, and this is why you don't see many produced; but in the next breath you're bragging about how you were right in the thick of things during the big Gonzo heyday of 2003-2007 and you never paid more or extra for swallowing. So I guess that plan of not paying more back in the day doesn't work now? I realize there are a lot of different factors at work here. But there seems to be this disconnect between how awesome everything was 7 years ago and today, and the only thing I see as a major difference is internet piracy. That shit is awful, I'm with you on that point. I guess I just dont' see how that particular problem makes swallowing themed movies more expensive, and not really affect any other kinds of movies. Maybe I'm missing something here.
^ They might perhaps not be more expensive to make than they were ’03-’07, but they make a lot less nowadays. If you’re never getting your money back, there’s only a certain amount of movies you can do before it becomes financially unfeasible.
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Posted - Feb 22 2016 : 2:32PM
^ Yes, let's face it, blowbangs (regardless of how they end-facial and/or swallowing) have a limited audience, especially when you're talkin' about ones that have no vag/anal sex at all. So even if you can actually make a small profit on a blowbang movie, the total audience will surely be significantly smaller than a studio's typical gonzo release. As someone associated with another site/studio told me recently, much of why they even bother making their blowbang movies still is simply because of the small number of fans that remain VERY passionate about such movies, like myself.
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Posted - Feb 22 2016 : 4:18PM
^ Yes, HardX made it clear that the blowbang movies don't make as much as their other videos. So the idea that there is a bunch of money to be made by these films should be blown out of the water by now. But hey, what do those who actually make a living in the industry know?
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Posted - Feb 22 2016 : 4:33PM
^ This is EXACTLY what i DO NOT get!!! The "THEN AND NOW" Paradox!!! Back then it was profitable but now it's not ?!?! Back then people watched such scenes now they don't ?!?! I enjoy swallowbangs! I still fap to the old sperm cocktail scenes!! Atleast they can try to remaster the old scenes to HD Quality.. that would be better than nothing!!
^ What’s not to understand? If profit margins have gone down the drain, products that are expensive to make simply have a harder time breaking even than before. If I have a product that costs 10,000$ to make, and I sell each copy for 1$, I need 10,000 buyers. If today I have a hard time finding 10,000 buyers, then I either have to lower the production cost to keep the 1$ price, or raise the price for the remaining buyers. Either way, the (paying) crowd loses – they get cheaper product or higher prices. Half-agree on the remaster, but even those cost something, and I reckon not many will shelve out cash for upconverted scenes from 10 years ago. Edited by - lex von v on 2/22/2016 4:59:40 PM
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Posted - Feb 23 2016 : 2:12AM
THEN = Pre-downloads NOW = Tubesites and downloading
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Posted - Feb 23 2016 : 4:48AM
#dogfart.com shoot 1 blowbang each month. so 12 blowbangs a year. and not cheap blowbangs with 3 guys lol but 10-12 guys. Jonni darkko 2 volumes of wet food this years, 8 blowbangs this means blowbangs are profitable, some directors are able to make money form them. some not. easy. how can you expect to make money if you hire the same old white 4 guys with invisible popshots? and if the girls don't swallow, or play with it until they waste everything? or if the directors use a glass??? lots of directors say: piracy ruined everithing, but truth is they never tried to shoot a decent swallow blowbang since 2011
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Posted - Feb 23 2016 : 12:03PM
Darkko's blowbangs are a handful of guys and there's no telling how profitable those releases have been for him, certainly the pace of his releases overall has slowed. If he follows that up with more blowbangs that would be a sign it made money, but I wouldn't be too sure.. Dogfart continues to be bottom of the barrel, you can shoot that many guys if you take the JM route and pay the guys practically nothing and don't care about how good they are. To claim that the blowbangs don't sell due to the reasons you claim is to mistake your tastes for everyone else, a common thing on ADT. Plus before buying how would a viewer know these were issues? Lots of crappy porn has sold well and continues to sell well. Your praise of Dogfart proves that. Edited by - BlackSix on 2/23/2016 12:04:21 PM
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Posted - Feb 23 2016 : 4:24PM
Pretty sure the interent and tube sites existed in 2003-2007. Even worse - Kazaa, Bearshare, Limewire, and the beginnings of bittorrent were all there. Edited by - foobachi on 2/23/2016 4:24:24 PM
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Posted - Feb 23 2016 : 4:27PM
Also - and this si sort of deviating from the topic, but still relevant: Blowbang movies without swallowing are like "gangbangs" with no anal or DP. i.e. pointless.
The internet existing and tube sites existing are two very different things. Before speaking of what one doesn't know one should do some quick checking. YouTube didn't even exist until 2005, which is when all the porn tube sites showed up. 2006 is when adult DVD sales started plummeting. Correlated or causation without correlation is up to you. If you actually are interested in it, there is a nice history here of internet porn. The section "The Web Disrupts Porn" goes into tube sites.
Sorry if I post at the wrong place, but JJ custom support is almost non-existed. My new account got locked up pretty frequently, even just browsing the temporal failed login page reappears when I refresh pages quickly, not to mention when the speed reaches 10 MB/s or more, downloading single file with 4 connections still got me locked up for maybe 10-15 mins. Is it only me or someone else experienced the same issue? Edited by - JRBigZ on 2/23/2016 5:19:20 PM Edited by - JRBigZ on 2/23/2016 5:21:16 PM
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Posted - Feb 23 2016 : 5:28PM
Well - my take is likely different than many, but I look at the web disruption of porn, the same way I do the web disruption of the music and film industries. To a certain extent it was a necessary evil, as at the time, content providers were hemorrhaging so much shovelware onto the public, that the entire industries had diluted into "mostly unwatchable/unlistenable garbage". Sure, lots of small independents took a hit, and that is a terrible collateral damage. But it also forced the big, lazy, cheap, repetitive providers out of the limelight, and gave them a necessary gut-check. If the web disruptions gave way to Music industries no longer dominated by dreck like Limp Bizkit, Movies no longer dominated by 3rd rate Nicolas Cage action crapfests, and porn no longer dominated by Vivid's brand of slick-ass, content-lacking, condom wearing, softcore garbage.
pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07
Posted - Feb 23 2016 : 7:26PM
Yeah today's music and movie industries are in no way dominated by second rate bubble pop and overblown special effects laden action films. Thanks to the internet we're obviously enjoying a musical renaissance like the late 60s and a peak of American film making like the 70s. I think the gonzo porn of the late 2000s was some of the best produced with Mason, William H, Jake Malone all firing on all cylinders and performers like Brianna Love, Gianna, Olivia O'Lovely, Charley Chase, Kristina Rose all in their prime. Vivid had been on the downslide long before the tubesites, if anything I'd say their connection to cable porn probably protected them more than most, their demise was more likely a death from multiple small cuts. Tubesites were at best the last nail in the coffin. PS. Using 'softcore' to describe any kind of hardcore porn is simply sloppy use of language and I wish raincoaters would stop doing it.
our customer support is fine, email me your info julesjordanvideo at gmail.com, this is not a customer support forum here. Are you in another country using a proxy? If you're using a proxy trying to hide where you are browsing from it may flag security.
This I know. But what I mean is, instead of using hardcore to describe the non-feature, non-couples friendly films, should we be using gonzo? Gonzo referred to a specific style of filming, one that companies like Brazzers don't use. Yet I wouldn't lump them in with Vivid. So what's the term for movies with gonzo-style sex that eschew the actual gonzo filming style? Those are the types of films that people are trying to denote when they misuse hardcore. Edited by - Mister Fahrenheit on 2/23/2016 8:59:54 PM
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Posted - Feb 24 2016 : 11:48AM
Terrestrial radio doesn't really matter anymore as far as record sales. the Music industry today is mostly internet/viral/independent driven. Internet streaming services and Satellite radio tailor their content to channels of very specific genres and styles to fill certain demographics because that's what people wanted, so that people no longer have to sit through 3 hours of payola-laden garbage to hear one good song. Independent artists have a much easier path to launch, share, and promote their music than ever before. As for overblown special effects movies - they will always be dominant as long as kids and teens see movies (and have been for 40 years), but the quality both visually and story-wise has gone up tremendously, and the lacklustre stuff (like the late 90's/early 2000's shovelware crap) doesn't see the light of day in theaters anymore, and goes straight to Netflix or VOD. and I don't know where you're getting this idea that the 70's was some renaissance era for filmmaking. Unless you're referring to the advent of the Blockbuster era, due to Speilberg's Jaws and Lucas' original Star Wars, or Stallone's Rocky (but your other comments seem to disagree with that). beyond that the 70's was full of terrible crime-drama nonsense, and exploitation movies that divided the country on racial and socio-economic stereotypes. The 70's was a terrible time in American Cinema.
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Posted - Feb 24 2016 : 11:50AM
Unless, of course, it was meant as an intentional dig at the garbage that companies like Vivid and Wicked spewed out, with boxes that advertised things not contained in the movie itself, and boring, poorly filmed sex.
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Posted - Feb 24 2016 : 3:46PM
So much ignorance in one post I'm not sure where to start and of course it will probably be fruitless. Terrestrial radio still has huge numbers, it has a generational problem but it still shapes what people listen to even on the streaming services. The car radio is keeping it more than alive. And unlike streaming it actually turns a profit. If you read the actual industry news on this stuff (ie. stuff based on facts and RL money) you get a very different perspective than the internet triumphlism promoted in most other media. Radio is like the novel, someone is always predicting its death but it keeps trucking along and unlike the novel or any of the internet giants continues to make money. Your post about 70s American cinema is laughable and directly from bizarro world, you expose both your ignorance and a complete lack of taste with your comments. Let's just list some of the great directors of the 70s in the US: Scorsese, Coppola, Altman, Lumet, Richie, Pakula, Friedkin, Huston, Benton and that's not considering all the gems strewn throughout the decade. Spielberg and Lucas probably wouldn't make a top ten, by their own estimations, but even they did some of their best, if less famous, work in the 70s. Now I know why you like Dogfart. At a certain point one has to realize that ones views, aesthically or politically, are so dissimilar that no productive conversation is possible. Your stunning post has brought that realization home. Sayonara.
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Posted - Feb 24 2016 : 3:48PM
In other words you don't even know how to insult them as your use of the word makes no sense. It would be like insulting someone by calling them a manitou, anyone seeing it is more confused than anything by the comment as it is so inappropriate.
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Posted - Feb 24 2016 : 4:22PM
Can't stand Dogfart. Never once stated on here I like that site. (this is what happens when you try to wage a multi-front trolling argument with multiple people. You confuse them all into one target of your hate) Arguably, Scorcese's best work is from the 80's and 90's, Coppola was a two hit wonder, who, without the Godfather and Apolcalypse Now would essentially be a Disney fill-in director. Altman direct MASH, and really nothing else of note in the 70's. Lumet I'll grant you - he was excellent, though much of his work was Crime Drama (Serpico, Dog Day Afternoon) Michael Ritchie. LOL. You liked Feltch and the Golden Child, did you? Pakula's work is overwrought and tedious. another one hit wonder Bill Freidkin is a hack, and the Exorcist was as exploitation schlock as it gets. John Huiston was known best for his work in the 40's and 50s. By the 70's he was acting in TV movies. Benton's work is utterly forgettable. Nobody gives a shit about Kramer vs. Kramer in 2016.
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Posted - Feb 24 2016 : 4:24PM
I dunno. I would think calling a porn company who were once the biggest name in porn "softcore" would be a pretty telling insult. Kind of like calling a failed Baseball player a minor leaguer, or a failed actor a "stand in.
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Posted - Feb 25 2016 : 2:03AM
Damn, we REALLY need to get this thread back on track. Quick! scope21 and H1gh Contra5t, start arguing about Ryan Conner! PornFan34, ask about Feeding Frenzy!
Xrentdvd has an entry in the coming soon section for Feeding Frenzy 12 and Flesh Hunter 13 at end of March. Considering the fact that a few days ago FH13 was there at end of February, I almost consider this somewhat of a placeholder that keeps pushed back month for month by the system. http://www.xrentdvd.com/Jules_Jordan/Flesh_Hunter_13.5-111760.html http://www.xrentdvd.com/Jules_Jordan/Feeding_Frenzy_12.5-115289.html (though I don’t care for Feeding Frenzy at all…)
I've got my money on it that FF12 contains the "mysterious Dakota Skye blowbang"...I fucking hope it does have this scene! I've got my fingers crossed that it has Marley Brinx as well
julia ann aubrey star dakota skye saya song karmen karma samantha rone Edited by - prisma342000 on 3/6/2016 2:46:32 PM
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Posted - Mar 6 2016 : 2:38PM
ryan conner aubrey star dakota skye saya song karmen karma samantha rone i'm not sure about saya song i hope you didn't let the girls drink from a glass
