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| Drebin Member 686 Posts 3/09 | me personally when I am fired up for nasty epic un-natural sex, i fucking love some holly hendrix dap drilling and wouldn't it be awesome if skin diamond was still around/in her prime and doing legalporno dap destructions and tap trainwrecks :) |
| tricohitalo Member 159 Posts 4/11 | |
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| 4theheart Senior Member pornologist 3102 Posts 8/01 | To get back on subject,it is interesting to see a solicitation for American pornstars. Reduced budgets in the face of piracy has made these type of scenes rarer in US porn over the last decade, but legalporno is seemingly willing to pay US rates. It'll be interesting to see who decides to make the trek :) Edited by - 4theheart on 1/24/2018 8:46:42 PM |
| A_Fan Deactivated User 1187 Posts 9/16 | So I don't think there will be a parade of girls ,but even if they get one a month or something that is great. It is usually epic. Avluv, Rone, Hendrix all did a series of scenes that were great . Angel Smalls were some of their best selling ever. Avluv just went over to do a few more. AJ and Maddy did some great ones (although they got ripped for some of Proxy's camerawork as she was very new to directing). They made deals with some US guys (assblanca and American Anal), and they are doing decent work, but its not the same as the LP style so the fans are not buying it in droves and they are getting ripped on the forum for the most part. |
| Strongbad Senior Member 1481 Posts 5/07 | Kartina Tequila 10on1 on 25th Nicole Black 4on1 on 24th Karthin Belli 2on1 on 23rd Julia Red 4on1 on 21th Milana Love 4on1 on 20th Selvaggia 5on1 on 19th Angie Moon 4on1 on 18th Betty Foxxx 5on1 on 17th Ellen Betsi 2on1 on 16th Dominica P and Monika W 4on2 on 14th Cathy Heaven 4on1 on 13th Sasha Zima 4on1 on 11th Amina D and Kira T 5on2 on 9th Sofya Curly 5on1 on 7th Lara De Santis and Anna DeVille 4on2 on 6th Luna C 7on1 on 4th Nicole Black 3on1 on 2nd |
| PornStarNamedBuckNaked All-Star Member Sometimes life is goofier than a monkey on ether 12073 Posts 7/10 | |
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| Anal-Porn Archivist Member Ass-obsessed 274 Posts 2/15 | Why should a sucessful and intelligent U.S. pornstar like Riley Reid work for Giorgio Grandi? Some quotes from the descriptions of his recent scenes: - rose licking - pee drinking - anal fist - cum snoring - destroyed gapes - prolapse licking I can see nothing but misogyny and ugliness in the majority of his work. Not only in what you see in his movies, but also in the methods he uses to produce them. These methods are reckless, they endanger the health of the performers, especially the female performers. Therefore they should be forbidden. I feel pity for the women who are willing to allow themselves to be abused in such a way. And I feel nothing but contempt for a director that uses these inhumane methods. This is not a matter of taste. It's a matter of human dignity. |
| A_Fan Deactivated User 1187 Posts 9/16 | These sex acts do occur in US porn and have in the past during the hey day of gonzo (Miss Avluv is someone who can prolapse quite extensively and she has done that in US scenes). There have been girls like Adrianna Checkik who do Triple Anal. Adrianna did some significant prolapsing in a recent Analized scene with James Deen which had her roughed up and drinking toilet water he had earlier pissed in. She was last years POTY and has been a serious contender for that award for 4 years running. Many girls are pushed to gaping here in the US. Many have been pissed on, slapped, choked, etc.. I could go on. There has been tons of cum snorting here in the US and there were even movies themed after it. Mike Adriano for example has had a lot of cum snorting over the years. Amy Brooke made a specialty out of it (another example) Riley Reid, the most recent mention here, has done DAP and gangbangs and has done some gaping themed work. Is she really that far off from what GG is doing? Point being, you seem to be only outraged at these acts because they are by GG and he uses crude terms on their website. I am just trying to understand your post better because You are not noting outrage for the very same things happening here in the US with very prominent performers. This type of work would be far more frequent in the US if it were not so cost prohibitive. If you go back a decade when gonzo was pumping out titles faster than they could find performers, girls were pushing into these limits too. And the US based girls that have gone over there, have had positive feedback on their experiences (other than the ones who had payment issues with Sineplex, this is a different issue). Holly Hendrix wants to go back, Avluv just went back, Aj and Maddy had good experiences working with Proxy Paige, Angel Smalls did not have any negative issues, I could go on. Let them do what they want with their careers. We could find people feeling like you do about standard porn sex acts too. Edited by - a_fan on 2/2/2018 9:44:55 PM Edited by - a_fan on 2/2/2018 9:46:10 PM |
| Dread Senior Member Latex and boobs 5085 Posts 3/07 | ----Dread's Twitter---- |
| Anal-Porn Archivist Member Ass-obsessed 274 Posts 2/15 | Prolapses, double anal, triple anal and the the likes are always a risk for the performer's health, no matter if they are shot by Giorgio Grandi or any other director. But in the U.S. they are an exception, only performed by a small minority of female pornstars. In Giorgo Grandi's scenes, however, they are the norm, they probably take up 80% of the screen time. He is not interested in girls who don't do double anal. His models are required to use numbing medication so they don't feel so much pain. Which, of course, heightens the risk of serious injuries and of health problems in the long run. Of the U.S. performers you mentioned, only Angel Smalls worked for Grandi, as far as I know. |
| A_Fan Deactivated User 1187 Posts 9/16 | I understand your position on GG, but he is working with only a fraction of the female talent in the euro porn industry and they are all there of consenting will and most keep returning for more work. If they are sustatining serious injury they would not be coming back over and over. A significant portion of the women who shoot with GG return for additional scenes. Not all the US girls I mentioned shot for him, but they shot DAP , prolapses, etc for legal porno and one of their studios. Holly Hendrix did DAP , fisting, etc.. her asshole was worked over pretty hard; yet she wants to go back, and she has had some pretty hard DAPs done here in the US and speaks highly of sex act. I have brought this up in other debates. But if you care so much about performers health, why no outrage over A LOT of them being smokers. Do you want to shave 10 years off your life expectancy or have a sore asshole? Or why no outrage over the NFL bashing guys heads to bits (I would rather have a sore asshole than forget my kids names). It is a circle, we get your point. But it is not consistent and just seems like an attack on an individual. The US porn scene was fanatical about DAP for a decade until production costs and revenues changed the game and the cut back on paying for expensive scenes like that. Edited by - a_fan on 2/3/2018 5:36:55 AM |
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| Edge Man Member 69 Posts 7/16 | I also don't like the prolapse/piss trend because you just know the girls feel pressure to perform these acts if they want to work. Oh, it'll be their 'choice' to perform but based on an understanding if not performed there is no job...not a real choice in my opinion. Prolapse, in particular, upsets me because of the permanent/long-lasting damage the girls may sustain. Horrible trend as I see it. I believe Giorgio is in a slow doom spiral. He thinks these acts sell better -- which may be true in the short term -- but he fails to realize for every new customer he brings in with this disgusting (piss) and dangerous (prolapse) crap he's driving away a larger number of regular customers who just want to see gorgeous women in 'normal' gang bangs with DP/DAP/TP. I think I'm a good example of this. I recently joined Rocco Siffredi's site to get May Thai's new scene. Lot's of material on the site with no download restrictions. Rocco features excellently produced material with beautiful women. His live shows from last fall were something I don't think done before...really original and great, playing out in real time so you almost feel like you were there as it happened. My point is, my eyes have wandered from LP due to the move to fringe acts (especially prolapse). |
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| A_Fan Deactivated User 1187 Posts 9/16 | let performers chose what they want to do, and let fans buy what they want. As long as everyone is doing this with consent and of free will, it should not be a hot button issue. |
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| Anal-Porn Archivist Member Ass-obsessed 274 Posts 2/15 | I'll keep criticizing these unsafe and reckless methods, whether you grow tired of it or not. As for the consent and free will: I would not be surprised at all if some of these eastern european girls were pressured to do these jobs by their agents or "boyfriends". It's quite a common thing in prostitution, why shouldn't it happen in porn, too? |
| BlackSix All-Star Member pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07 |
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| A_Fan Deactivated User 1187 Posts 9/16 |
well, lets just go with the anabolic/diabolic company as my first example. They had gangbang auditions and gangbang girl, most volumes between 2000 and 2010 had DAP. Nasty Nymphos had several DAPS. Un natural sex for a large portion of their series had DAP in almost every scene especially when Chico Wang was directing. The earlier volumes before him had regular DAPs too. They sprinkled DAPs in most of their series which were releasing volumes every month. The Assman series had DAPs at times, Diabolic Debauchery had some, I could go on. Red light put DAP in a lot of their series as well. Jules Jordan put a lot of DAPs in his films (weapons of ass destruction was one of his feature lines and it had many of them). Platinum x was another company filming DAPs regularly in series such as Full Anal Access. There were many companies going down the DAP path as much as they could as they had the money to pay for it ,and it was in high demand. There were not many series with the words "Double anal " in the title (although there was one called Double Anal Plugged and one called Double Anal Drill Team, and both had multiple volumes). i can take 4 of my favorites from that era.. Sandra Romain ,Audrey Hollander, Jayna Oso, and Kelly Wells.. and we are almost 200 DAPs just from those 4 pulled together. I could, if I took an hour in IAFD, find you at least 20 performers who had at least 10 DAPs between 2000 and 2010. So, I am already in the hundreds with minimal research just with names that I would remember personally. I am also talking specifically with US filmed porn. It was not rare between 2000 and 2010 and if you wish to deny that, you are welcome to. But attempting to discredit me when the facts are in plain writing in IAFD is not much of a debate. DAP was not rare in US porn and while LP is the first place to have 90+% of their scenes with DAP, they certainly are not the first time in porn history that DAPs were available in large numbers. They do go over the top in many of their scenes , but they are the prime source these days for DAP fans as the US scene is not making a huge number (although still making some good ones with big names throughout the year). if you wish to still believe that DAPs were rare throughout US porn history, you are welcome to your belief. But ,the facts are the facts and this is all laid out. your position that "DAPs have always been rare in US porn." is not supported by the facts from 2000 to 2010. Hundreds of scenes is not "rare". Thank you Edited by - a_fan on 2/6/2018 2:44:16 AM |
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| BlackSix All-Star Member pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07 | So yeah it was more prevalent and so may have felt like there was loads of it but that's also because Diabolic and Red Light were pumping out so much shit every month. As an overall percentage of porn it was not a lot, I certainly didn't see a lot and watched a fair bit of porn, including mediocre Red Light and Diabolic. Edited by - BlackSix on 2/6/2018 3:34:29 AM |
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| A_Fan Deactivated User 1187 Posts 9/16 |
I can find 20 performers off the top of my head that did at least 10 DAP in that time frame, and likely a lot more than that if I did research beyond who I watched back in the day. We used to have a thread here long ago that was a "DAPtabase" which has been long gone but was pretty good back in the day. It was not comprehensive but was detailed enough to get a picture that there was a lot of double anal in the US porn scene. And, most gonzo companies did DAPs on a regular basis. The anabolic/diabolic/redlight/platinum X were kind of the same guys working or starting their own companies or moving back and forth and they did the bulk of the releases. I am not speaking of the quality, that is subjective. Just combating your absurd statement that DAP has always been rare, it wasn't. Why it is rare now is another discussion surrounded around production costs, piracy, the culling of companies putting out mediocre product, and so forth. The culture in US porn has changed too, back then DAP was part of the career progression and where you made the bigger money. Now that so few are made, it is not really in the discussion of legit career path for most performers nowadays other than doing a couple of them for some big showcase or release. Strange discussion when someone is ignoring the facts that are in writing (this is not my opinion, I am giving you legit information from IAFD which is not created by me and is simply a record keeping source). Anyways, a silly discussion, DAP was not rare back then, and that is that. Cheers Edited by - a_fan on 2/6/2018 5:46:52 AM |
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| Strongbad Senior Member 1481 Posts 5/07 | so if they just can hire some new people this should be under control. The concept is there, it cannot be that difficult to hire someone to simply copy the style, Erik Everhard is there and have produced for american companies before. As long as neither of the fired people tell there story its difficult to know everything, but its reasonable that if they used LP studios to produced scenes they done for others that this been seen as foul play. I am not sure but somewhere i read that Stefano have done work for John Thompson (GGG) and that this was not appreciated by LP. This would explain that, Nicole Love, Ria Sunn, Rebecca Volpetti, Francys Belle, Fransisca DiCaprio Lucia Denville all have done scenes for John Thompson Well future will tell whathappens to LP |
| Lone Wolf Senior Member LANA means ANAL :) 9658 Posts 4/11 | Shelley Bliss first time on LP |
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| A_Fan Deactivated User 1187 Posts 9/16 |
there are also only so many girls available for those level of scenes, so you will get a lot of repeats. i havent lost my passion for it, but I do purchase less sometimes (this past few weeks for example), when I feel I have seen so much the excitement wanes a bit... its good to mix up the porn viewing and take break from various genres so boredom doesnt set in. Edited by - A_Fan on 5/16/2018 4:25:58 AM |
| pat362 Senior Member 10083 Posts 3/10 | Kiara Gold: Her 6th video and 4th DAP Kira Thorn: Her 30th video and she has over 20 DAP. Nikki Dream: 15th video and at least 11 DAP. Sexy Susi: 5th video and her 5th DAP. Brittany Bardot: 21st video and at least 15 DAP. Barbie Sins: 1st video and no DAP. Renata Fox: 5th video and currently no DAP. Alexis Crystal: 18th video and only 2 DAP. Daria Zemskaya: 1st video and 1st DAP. Syren De Mer: 13th video and 10th DAP. I could go on and while it's true that they will have the odd new girl appear on their site and they will get one of their returning performer do extreme penetration porn. The reality is that they have a very short list of women who keep doing the extreme stuff on a regular basis and I can't imagine too many members are spending their hard earn money to own the latest DAP from a performer they already own the first 8 or more. |
| tintintin Senior Member 1230 Posts 8/07 | Unfortunately its only about filling holes. Sometimes, when an American girl joins, there is some Chemistry. The Milf Dominance (part 1) with Syren De Mer, Jolee Love and Dee Williams had some nice erotic kissing in it.. AND it also had the usual nasstyness |
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| mikesalami Deactivated User 1505 Posts 7/10 | I figured this out after trying forever to do it once, but they seem to have changed the search function and it doesn't work anymore. Otherwise it sucks cause there might be like 100 scenes and they're all completely out of order and you have to hover over every video to figure out the date. |
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