I'm not trying to be mean here, but seriously. For as long as I've been into porn, American porn lacks in the quality of women on set as compared with other porn, especially Euro porn for example. In American porn, any girl can be cast into a film. It really doesn't matter what they look like at all. I find that a lot of girls in porn are kind of just average to frumpy looking types. I'm sure someone will say "I think it's refreshing that they don't go for airbrushed looking models". I call BS. We need to go back to the era where there were standards of beauty for the girls involved in porn films. Back to the era where women were done up nicely before a shoot, hair, makeup, outfit, etc. Enough with just letting them walk in with bedhead and come as you are. That kind of thing would never fly in European porn. They hire only very nice and beautiful women, even for their raunchy hardcore stuff. The women generally look like supermodels, and they actually have a beautician work with them before shooting. We need quality like that again. It's quality over quantity, but with American porn that seems forgotten, it's all about a new 18-year-old all the time.
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Posted - May 28 2012 : 1:37PM
^^^ I agree for the most part. Even tho the 18-year old statement is pretty yesterday. It seems like the quality of beauty has dropped dramatically. A few years ago shit was on the come up and it wasn't too hard to spot out a bad bitch and she usually was pretty raunchy Now a lot of these chicks seem like watered down "Starlets" with little enthusiasm on camera. In black porn there's only like 5 major contenders for the title (who are new and actually do this on a somewhat regular basis): Skin Diamond, Leilani Leeane, Bethany Benz, Evanni Soliel/Nyomi Banxxx (but theyre AWOL) and I'm having a hard time thinking about the other (maybe Amber Steel or Lacy Green but something tells me there's better out there somewhere already). The south American chicks r getting better, even tho lucious Lopez and Havana ginger still get me there. White chicks could step their game up too. Im not too keen on teenagers personally but most of the bad white chicks r over 26. Not saying that there's anything wrong with that in the least. The Asian chicks look better overseas (no offence) And Where did all of the Arab/Indian/Middle Eastern chicks go? I think when Jay Sin's buzz started crossing over with Hotkinkyjo, Alysa, and Isabella and then the rise of the Prolapse fame it took all of the shock out of porn. Obviously everybody hasn't seen the works of Elegant Angel and Evil Angel but I imagine Bang Brothers and Brazzers aren't the ONLY thing poppin in pornland. And there really isn't too much other than them and West Coast Productions who do their thing. Most online sites die within a year or two or never really jump off in the first place. There's cute chicks everywhere in porn but how many of them make u wanna stick around and watch more, not too many. Edited by - hollywoodbilderberggroup on 5/28/2012 1:42:17 PM Edited by - hollywoodbilderberggroup on 5/28/2012 1:43:24 PM
I don't agree, there are many new beautiful americans starlets aswell. I think it also could be due to the fact that many euro girls are very young, around 20. Many US porn girls are considerably older. However I don't think that looks are everything. The sad thing about euro porn is that many girls can't speak english besides "yes" "fuck my ass" that's what I like about US girls that they are in contact a lot with their fans and that we get to see their personalities not just their outside.
Dear echoplex, I agree with some of what you are saying. I started a thread "Video Killed The Radio Star - The Internet Killed Porn" in which I argued that there were no more real pornstars save Jesse Jane, or very few, that would have made it back in the 90s, and early 00s, with far less studios, less pornstars, very high caliber and ultra exclusive contract girls, and no high speed Internet for the masses. Whether you agree or disagree there was a mystique then that will never come back. I'll never be able to piece those thoughts of that post together and I should not have deleted the post. The poster responded to the first sentence of what was four or five paragraphs. I made analogies to reality TV and all sorts of other comparisons and arguments - and one of the things I was saying was that Quality with a capital Q has dropped immensely and continues to drop...that while some of the American pornstars...and I mean the very best of them could have made it back then, most of the near-anorexic forever-a-teens could not have made it. Reality Bites - and if I want to see an average looking woman getting banged in a bus I may as well watch amateur porn for free. Somewhere between the Teens and the MILFs and the Cougars - the real women seem to get lost and ever increasingly Americans turn to Europe and other continents to see women as women who are not put (and often rightly fit) into these niche boxes. A "real woman" can have enhanced tits or natural tits and have a range of weights between thin to full figured or curvy (but not near-anorexic or fat) so those are not the issues. An example of a real woman is born in the U.S.A. - Alexis Texas (not even one of my favs) but she is neither teen nor MILF and has a very healthy look about her as do many European pornstars like Jasmine Black. Going further then, tastes change and those Brazzers "Bolt Ons" as some call DD fake tits, do appeal and do resemble to some degree the Jenna Jameson, Jill Kelly, Tabitha Stevens, and Kaitlyn Ashley's of bygone days though we will see who in the Brazzers stable stand the test of time (those four women I named are all legends and all in the AVN Hall of Fame). MILFs and Cougars I can't speak to and some perfectly beautiful looking twenty and early thirty year-old women who have never given birth get pigeonholed into the MILF genre and it sometimes sucks. Austin Kincaid should have been huge. For Lisa Ann it worked out like a dream (thank God for Sarah Palin). Anorexic looking forever-a-teens indicate how many borderline pedophiles we have, or rather those that would prefer the age of consent to be 16, so thank God for that genre that they have something to jack off to. And these women tend to be the least attractive such that you might not look at them in 5 years but they have something money can't buy - youth, youth, youth - a very powerful aphrodisiac. Go outside and look at 18, 19, and 20 year-old women. You would fuck a much higher percentage of them than women in their later 20s and early 30s and so would I. Imagine these same teens 5 or 10 years down the road and they might be untouchably hideous. Why do you think teens (or those that look like teens) tend to get in, take the money and run, and get out more often than other types of Pornstars? While Tori Black (case in point) will evolve into something even more beautiful (she is a bit thin), most of these Starbucks Barista looking girls will not. They can be set for life if they make it really big in Porn (very hard to do in a reign lasting less than 5 years), or go back to school, or go the Hollywood downward spiral of booze and drugs and leave semi-pretty corpses, or they can become higher priced escorts (if they are pretty, careful, smart, safe, and relatively sober) while going to school and be made in the shade and lead a comfortable lives - but not posh lives. I know someone who is doing just that and she is a sweetheart, 21 years old, well-reviewed on T.E.R., but she also knows at age 25 she needs to move on out of the adult industry or be pushed out even though she blows the vast majority of these incoming teens away…such is the nature of porn. Soon, there will be no more true Pornstars left so enjoy them while they are here - and even though that is an exaggeration the mystique is gone and it is never coming back. Tube sites show that the ashes of porn are all around us if we could but see them. Reality killed TV, American Idol killed pop music, the Internet is killing porn, and Hollywood feature films are just hanging on the edge of a cliff. Long live Porn…like nature, in some way, shape or form (even if we are jacking off to robots in 2015 and don’t know it), porn will always find a way. Signature: Jenna Haze is extremely overrated. Edited by - Valentine on 5/29/2012 5:20:35 AM Edited by - Valentine on 5/29/2012 5:26:25 AM Edited by - Valentine on 5/29/2012 5:32:17 AM
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Posted - May 29 2012 : 5:24AM
You're nuts, I love the women in American porn way more than most of the women in Europorn. A much wider variety of body types and a range from beautiful to cute. No doubt your taste runs more towards the sorta supermodelish methy skinny types that dominate Europorn but that's just your taste, not the arbiter of what other find sexy.
Actually, the main problem I have with most porn is that most of the women just aren't my type. That's to say many of them are probably fundamentally attractive but then they start layering on things like tattoos, boob jobs, bad makeup, hideous outfits, too much tanning and so on. I'm cursed in that I like a very basic type of woman who is pretty but dresses, acts and looks very plain and unadorned. I seem to be rare in having this taste. I can see a women who looks terrible to me and tons of other men will be drooling all over her pics. I dunno. I don't think they "come as you are". I think they do dress them up to some degree. I personally think the way they're dressed is often pretty tasteless. I'd rather see bedhead than a thong, a boob job and a dark tan. Edited by - randomprecision on 5/29/2012 6:12:52 AM
Hmmm. I don't fully agree with that. Though there's quite a bit of that in Euro porn, I have seen a few Euro girls who were just stunning. Rocco has worked with a lot of really gorgeous women who definitely were unique.
I don't know, I think beauty will always be in the eye of the beholder. I know it's been oversaid, but it's still true IMO. I haven't seen nearly enough Euro porn to make a decent comparison, but do think some of the outright gorgeous women have been European. From my American perspective though, there are a great many American women who are also drop-dead gorgeous. I prefer variety though, and have seen very little of that from the European side. The American women appear to severely outnumber the Euro women on this side of the Ocean, making any true comparisons unfair.
This. So much this! Except unfortunately it's no longer just a genre. By now the pseudo-kiddy look is pretty much the accepted standard in porn and quickly becoming the same in mainstream society. Almost every curvy girl that enters the industry ends up falling in line and sporting the anorexic look within a year. Even in everyday life, I've never seen so many starving women with shapeless, childlike figures as I've seen in the last year alone. I've spent every summer for more than 2 decades on the Jersey shore. This summer, compared to just one year ago, the difference is downright shocking. Girls as young as 14 and 15 are walking around looking like meth-heads. Women in their 20s have the chicken legs of an 11-year-old. Some look downright anorexic.
I think you have this reversed because your comment is more appropriate when talking about American performers. The common thread for many American porn girl is normally a blonde hair and large breast(not necessarily real) while European girls tend to be a lot more varied. The sad part for many European perfomers is that they chose the American route so many of them are getting large implants and go under the knife to alter their looks to such a level that they no longer look like they did when they first appeared in porn.
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Posted - May 30 2012 : 1:00PM
I agree with the original poster that European porn starlets tend to be far more attractive. However, I think many factors are contributing: (1) European women tend to be a lot more open and experimental with their sexuality. They are certainly less restrained than are American women by subjective definitions of what is or isn't "moral." This increases the pool of potential performers. (2) Economic conditions in Europe, and particularly Eastern Europe, drive more women to consider working in the porn industry than is the case in the U.S. In the U.S. a girl goes into porn because she wants to be able to buy a Prada handbag not because she has to put food on the table. This again increases the pool of potential performers. (3) European women tend to eat far healthier than their American counterparts, the latter subsisting on cheese burgers, french fries and other junk food during their formative years. The proof is in the pudding, only with a lot of American porn "starlets" the pudding may as well have been injected directly into their butts and thighs since that's where it all seems to settle anyways. (4) European women exercise much more than their American counterparts. Not everyone has a car and rapid transit is prevalent, so they walk a lot more. There are a lot of reasons. The upshot is that in American porn at any given time you might have 10-20 girls who can match up to the level of attractiveness of the average European female performer. And, if you doubt that, check out EuroBabeIndex. The sheer quantity of beautiful girls will have you questioning where to begin. The only downside? - Outside of being able to tell you their name, only 1 in 100 speak passable English. Then again, for some guys, that's actually a plus. Edited by - blomkvist on 5/30/2012 1:01:56 PM
^I think part of the reason for that is that most older European performers have shot a lot more hardcore stuff than their US counterpart and that tends to age you at a greater speed.
All of that "editing" but you never bothered to break it out into a couple paragraphs so it is actually legible? Punctuation is your friend Edited by - mich on 5/30/2012 5:09:41 PM
Completely dishonest nonsense! I love how every dude who has an anorexic/prepubescent fetish has learned to parrot the same bs about health and fitness as a cover. Most of these waifs in porn don't really exercise so much as they just starve themselves, and that's evident by the lack of any toned flesh on their bodies. The average "thin hottie" in Euro and now American porn has the look of someone with an eating disorder or drug problem. And anyone with eyes can tell the difference between "fit" and scrawny, and recognize that the latter is what's become the norm in today's porn. Fit people don't have boney asses, chicken legs, sharp knees, hollowed eyes and sunken cheeks -- emaciated people do, and let's face it, that's exactly why you're attracted to them in the first place. It's just less embarrassing to pretend it's all about "health" and "exercise" even when these chicks look like they would break if they tried to do squats.
^ It was actually the description of the MO of every creep who pretends to be a fitness fanatic to justify his obsession with childlike women. Not that you would fit the bill at all;) No, siree.
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Posted - May 30 2012 : 8:44PM
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.... "There is nothing like returning to a place that remains unchanged to find the ways in which you yourself have altered." -Mandela
^^ You mean like the fact that you are not a bit condescending,right? Edited by - simpsona99999 on 5/30/2012 8:49:33 PM
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Posted - May 30 2012 : 10:06PM
Does this woman look like she is "scrawny, like she starves herself, lacks any toned flesh on her body, and/or has an eating disorder or drug problem?" These are your words, not mine. If your contention is that a woman like this is not beautiful, then you're half way to crazy town and may as well go full tilt, but some Facebook stock and build a fall out shelter in preparation for the Mayan doomsday.
^ Despite being one of the very few waifs who has some tone to her, there is no denying that she looks eerily like an underage girl. This not a matter of opinion -- you just need eyes to notice it. And I've seen too many creeps who hide behind the exact BS you're peddling to cover the fact that they prefer minors to adult women. I'm not buying it. This whole "No, no, I just don't like 'fat' women who weigh over 90 pounds" bullshit was never convincing and always transparent. Especially considering how many of those creeps have eventually given themselves away one way or another.
And for the record, yes she does look scrawny. She has the upper torso of a 10-year-old. (Which of course is the exact reason certain men find her attractive in the first place).
If you need to pretend that a woman has to look like a child to not be "fat", knock yourself out. But in your version of that poster, the shadow behind the girl would be 4 feet tall with pigtails, holding a teddy bear.
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Posted - May 31 2012 : 9:21AM
...you certainly must know that most people have a different opinion on what beauty is. I don't believe this woman is beautiful. And according to you that makes me crazy? Interesting... "There is nothing like returning to a place that remains unchanged to find the ways in which you yourself have altered." -Mandela
People who think (and say) that a slender (scrawny) female with small breasts and a youthful face doesn't look like a real woman (anorexic 10 year old) are at least half the reason I got breast implants. Go screw yourself. I was beautiful and I was all woman.
I have no hangups on breast size and actually prefer natural to fake, regardless of size. A woman doesn't need DD cups to look like an adult. Let me be clear here. There is a huge difference between naturally slender and scrawny. Women with the former body type have normal weight distribution and don't look underage. They have curves proportionate to their frames. Scrawny is what you get when normal women starve themselves; all that does is melt away the curves and leave a shapeless, childlike figure. Most of today's porn stars are scrawny, not petite or slender. To put it in perspective, women like Stephanie Swift, Megan Leigh and Brittany O'Connell were petite and sexy as all hell. They didn't look sickly or malnourished like many of the girls today.
^ When you say most/many porn stars today,your not talking about American porn stars then?
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Posted - May 31 2012 : 2:17PM
Pornication, I don't understand what exactly your beef is. On the one hand, you're saying that most porn stars today are "scrawny" but on the other hand you're bashing anyone who finds such porn stars to be attractive as some kind of closet pedophile. In doing so, you're essentially calling almost everyone who posts here a soon to be felon. You also appear to frame your argument in a "this is the way it was then, and this is the way it is now" manner. But, if you go back 35 years, you've got the poster below of a rail thin Farrah Fawcett selling somewhere between 5 and 10 million copies (one of the highest selling posters of all time by the way). According to you, was everyone who bought this poster a closet pedophile? It would appear you're ranting about a trend that goes back several decades at least.
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Farrah Fawcet was actually a perfect example of a naturally slender woman. She was far from shapeless or emaciated. I watch today's porn too-- because it's porn. But I go out of my way to avoid the skeletors because they do nothing for me. Not only do they seem childlike and undeveloped, they also look unhealthy and worn-out and have the physical signs of starvation. There are guys however who have a fixation on that type of look. These are the same guys who also act like any woman above 100 lbs is fat or overweight. When you actually listen to them, what they really don't like is curves -- they just call it 'fat' because by doing so they can pretend the shapeless girls they like are actually normal.
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Posted - May 31 2012 : 3:30PM
The sooner everyone learns that conversations about personal preference are fruitless the better. Again beauty is in the eye of the beholder. If you like woman who are "slender, thin, smaller" or whatever that is your prerogative. If you like woman who wear an eye patch go for. I personally love woman in general all shapes and sizes. I didnt like the woman posted above, however some "slender" woman do attract me. It's all about what you like. Who cares what others think, as long as you're happy. "There is nothing like returning to a place that remains unchanged to find the ways in which you yourself have altered." -Mandela
^^ Mate,now your just incoherently ranting,you OK? Edited by - simpsona99999 on 5/31/2012 7:05:48 PM
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Posted - May 31 2012 : 4:05PM
Pornicate, where in your philosphy of how a woman should look do you account for different naturally occurring body types? Some women (and men) are born ectomorphs who find it very difficult, particularly prior to hitting middle age, to put on any weight at all. That's probably the case with Brea Bennett. Where that is the case, who are you to judge that "she has an eating disorder or drug problem" where her height/weight ratio is actually a byproduct of genetics? Edited by - blomkvist on 5/31/2012 4:06:34 PM
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Posted - May 31 2012 : 5:28PM
There's nothing wrong with a skin n bones chick. That runs more in the Caucasian ethnic group verses any other. If that's white guys like then that's what white guys (and girls) like. Stop trying to compare thickness and natural beauty and body to the African-descent Woman, it'll never compare (apples and oranges for the most part). Only in the past 15 years was it okay to have a little meat on your bones for white women. Blame your culture more than anything, not the directors and photographer. There's probably more single fat white women than there are skinny/petite white women. European women have for a while been a little thick but not like those Africans. And all of that Ectomorph stuff is nonsense, it's just genetics and preferences
and plz leave your emotions at home and get what I'm sayin
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Posted - May 31 2012 : 6:47PM
^Was that in response to me or Pornicate? Because as it reads you're merging the two of us into one super picky heterosexual guy who likes neither thin or thick women.
Your statement isn't even close to the truth. Go back and look at portraiture from the last five centuries. You won't find a lot of skinny white women there. I don't claim to have made a great study of the matter but my guess would be that you won't find the elevation of thinness in women before the advent of motion pictures.
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Posted - May 31 2012 : 7:34PM
You hear this argument every now and then. But, I'm not sure how accurate it is. I recall being at the Smithsonian in a hall espressly dedicated to costumes and clothing. It was shocking to see how petite both American men and women were in the 18th and 19th centuries. I experienced the same thing when I viewed suits of European armor from the 14th and 15th centuries at the Metropolitan Museum of Art. Quite simply, human beings (both in America and Europe) used to be just a heck of a lot smaller. References to this petiteness and/or need to be perceived as petite can be found in literature as well. In Gone With The Wind, Margaret Mitchell writes about Scarlett O'Hara's desire to fit into a corset with a 17 inch waist. So, it would appear that history makes conflicting claims as to what women should or shouldn't have looked like in order to be deemed "attractive."
^ You seem to be confusing two different issues - the average size of human beings in a given place at a given age and the idealized size/shape of the female throughout the ages, not that every culture held the same view at the same time, of course. Look at German portraiture from the 16th century (I think I've got the period right). When food was scarce being fat was a sign of wealth and success, not that most people were fat, of course. You don't see the rich and wealthy, those arbiters of culture, embracing 'thin' until the lower classes start getting fat.
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Posted - May 31 2012 : 10:51PM
Regarding the question of body types over time, this has clearly shifted over the years, Jean Harlow and Marilyn Monroe were both voluptuous and huge sex symbols of their eras.
Now you're just repeating yourself. I already said there is a difference between naturally petite and scrawny. What I have a problem with is those (like yourself) with a waif fetish who insist that anyone who isn't a waif somehow doesn't like to exercise! And I love how people like you can't stop going on about naturally skinny women yet aren't willing to admit that many other females are naturally curvy! The problem is what I already pointed out: You don't only like petite women, you also like emaciated ones, and since that applies to most porn girls today, you have to pretend that normal women don't exercise so those skeletors somehow seem healthy in comparison. That's complete and utter nonsense, especially considering those starving waifs appear disturbingly childlike to boot (which, once again, is the reason some on your side like them in the first place). Anyone with common sense can tell the difference between a slender woman like old 80s star Porsche Lynn and a starving skeletor like the modern porn girls with their boney torsos, coat-hanger shoulders, tube-like thighs, sharp knees, hollowed eyes and sunken cheeks. There is nothing "healthy" about any of that, and if that's sexy, then I guess every drug addict and cancer patient I've ever seen should have been a swimsuit model.
Hollywood, the fashion industry, and late 20th century porn industry tried their damndest to brainwash every woman to be boney. But the truth is most American women are not skinny. They diet endlessly to look like a supermodel when it is natural for them to have meaty thighs. The today's porn industry is slightly ahead of the curve glamorizing woman with nice round asses. But they're only giving the fans what they want. Fuck Hollywood and the Fashion Industry for forcing so many women to starve themselves to be boney.
^ It really all started with the fashion industry, which coincidentally is run by people who aren't even attracted to women in the first place. Anyone with eyes can see that girls like the one in Galento's pic starve themselves. They don’t just “exercise” – they STARVE themselves. You never saw girls like this in porn until very recently and they were absent in all other forms of entertainment until scumbags in the fashion industry decided to use anorexic women as walking coat hangers. It spread like wildfire from there to Hollywood and in the last few years to porn as well. And if your preference involves women resorting to such self-destructive measures you’re an A-hole and deserve to be called out. Having known girls who have and continue to deal with body dysmorphic issues and eating disorders, I know what hell they put themselves through both physically and psychologically. A big Fuck You to anyone who enables this bullshit.
Really? Some of the French and Italian MILFs I've seen are wonderfully sexy and beautiful and, for the most part,still natural. I'd also like to say that I'm rather unimpressed by the reference to porn actresses,no matter where they come from, as "low-caliber." It's not every woman who can strip and fuck on camera,with every inch of their anatomy revealed to the world in close-up, so maybe be a bit more complimentary to the ladies that can muster up the courage to do so.
