I think we all hate it: After a scorching sex scene the actor(s) fuck it all up not being able to deliver at the end sqeezing out nothing or just a few dribbles.
Now, of course its hard work to fuck a girl on a fim set with all the camera and light people etc around. Its not as easy as many of us porn fans think, but on the other hand its a very revarding job - fucking some of the most beautiful girls, often much younger and earning money with that. Therefore I think making porn actors responsible for the scene would just be fair. Thus my proposition: Directors and producers, make studs fucking up a scene by not delivering the goods at the end, pay for the loss. Make them pay for the girls fees, the light person fee, the make-up artist fee, the location rent fee, the cameraperson fee.
Teach them to either deliver or leave this business!
Maybe their agency can cover those costs, maybe some insurance company creats a non-deliver insurance, maybe a non-deliver fine agreed upon before signing the model release is enough, but please dont make the consumer suffer from not delivered cum-shots. Erase this scenes! Cut them! Or re-stage them with stunt-dicks booked at the non-delivering porn actors expense, but dont show this wood-killing material to us porn consumers anymore, please!
My that's a nice shade of bitch you are wearing today.
If I was an actress, I would try to intercept the cumshot just for fun. I'd throw an elbow in the middle of the firing range. I'd tongue slap the stream out of the way. I'd smash my finger over the tip of his cock and try to hold it in for a count of ten.
I was not talking about missing the target, just about not shooting at all.
On a side note: If as a porn actress you had that nice feet like in your avatar this would make even an extra-thrill - provided the studs deliver, of course.
If a guy couldn't shoot enough dribble to fill a graduated cylinder to the 5cc mark at least, you should send a bill. And there's also a fine if it's watery. The rates should be posted at the door.
Nacho has pretty bad cum shots. And I dont usually mind bc his performance is so stellar. But for every other performer I do get VERY let down if the cum is no more than a small amount. Part of me agrees he should be axed! But then we will just hear that there are no guys that could have fu*ked her for that length of time and stayed hard w all in the room...so we have to put up w their lame cum shots. I'm ALL for celibacy outside of your job! Save it.
Very interesting topic... I think this is something worth talking about. I'm not big into facials I perfer to swallow myself. But I do get a little upset when I don't have enough to swallow or glaze my face. So I totally understand the viewers point of view here. Although if we pentalize the men in this industry for that. I think we may be out a few men. : )
I know that this is a bit off topic but what if the guy shoots a load into a porn actresses throat and she chokes on it and passes away? Who's liable, the studio or the actor for not pulling out of her mouth in time?
It does seem like the studio has the deeper pockets and would likely be the one sued but can the male actor go to jail for involuntary manslaughter? Also, I hope that this has never happened in the history of porn but if it has, who and when?
They are held liable - they are independant contractors. They do not get work if directors don't like their work. The thing about being male talent is there are literally tens of thousands of guys willing to do your job. Now will the women like them? Can they keep it up in front of a camera crew in uncomfortable conditions? Are they large enough? Well out of all those guys some probably are.
I'm sure the studios are much more concerned with getting reliable wood from their studs than voluminous cum shots. Besides, how many shoots a day do these guy work? It isn't like you can just drink a glass of water and fill right back up.
So no one knows if this has ever actually resulted in death, at least in pornography? I once accidentally unloaded a little early in a girlfriend's mouth. She gagged and told me that I had almost killed her but she forgave me eventually.
Unfortunately for me, it made her less likely to give me any oral. Also, I had to warn her from then onward when I was getting close to blowing a load.
What about when an actor or actress transmits aids to another. Can the studio be sued?
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Posted - Jun 9 2005 : 2:30AM
Of course the studio has to be more conserned about the studs being reliable wood-men. All I say is thats not enough! Additionally they need to be able at least to deliver a certain amount of sperm at the end of the scene, not voluminous amounts, but definitely more than just a few dribbles or just nothing. How many times they do let them book per day is their business only. All that matters is: wood and cum-shot reliability!
Well the proposed penalties are surely an exaggeration - not to mention impractical - but yes, meager cumshots are PATHETIC. If you can't shoot a big load, stay out of porn! Don't do so many scenes! Well in short, I hate seeing small cumshots in porn as much as I hate receiving them in real life.
the money shot is critical. without a good one the scene never passes in my books.
I'd approach penalties in a different way. We'll give you x dollars for the scene with a chance at a performance bonus of y dollars if you deliver the money shot the director asks for.
If they don't perform they lose out on bonus money and they may never work for you again. Capitalism: Survival of the Voluminous.
Porn being a visual medium and all, I can see the hate for the weak popshot, but all things being equal I don't think a tiny load disqualifies the twenty minutes of good fucking whoever just laid on whomever and vice versa.
You know what they say: one "Aw, shit" cancels out a million "Attaboys." Fuck the fine, just shoot the bastard on the spot.
If this thread can accomplish just one thing, hopefully it will send a message to directors that cum swallowing fans want to see big cum shots.
There's nothing impressive about a girl swallowing cum, if the amount couldn't even fill up a thimble.
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Posted - Jun 9 2005 : 1:00PM
I would not consider myself a cum swallowing fan even, but there has to be a way to get rid of those cum-dribblers and non-cummers. IMO a porn scene has to end with a decent cum-shot, be it swallowed, be the girls face reasonably painted, or her tits or ass, or another part of her body, or be it a reasonable creampie to squeeze out later, but there has to be a trophy to show at the end no matter how good the run-up to it was. A non-show at cum-shot time is just like giving up before the final in sports. And despite how disappointing must it feel for a hot porn girl giving all her best to those actors! Read Taryn Thomas post again...
So, lemme see if I got this right: a woman indicating that she has been stupendously well-fucked, whether through what she says or demonstrates by way of visibly intense orgasm(s) or both, means nothing compared to the amount of ejaculate spurted in, on or around her?
Porn has nothing to do with women enjoying themselves. It's all about watching men come? Geez, I can see that any day of the week.
Another awesome response from Juha. Nearly every post you make leaves me scratching my head. Are you saying you like weak cumshots? Or you don't care? Or the whole issue is bullshit? Or Mienhagen is full of it?
Perhaps more than one word in the future will help clarify your response to four paragraphs of text... just a suggestion.
Anyway, I think this is a legitimate issue to be raised. If you read my reviews, this is one thing I simply can't put up with. A good scene becomes one I will never return to again if the porn stud can't manages more than a few pathetic drops.
While I don't think the male talent should have to recoup the entire cost of producing a scene... in effect, they have ruined the scene for me and other porn consumers. It's not like they can predict with much accuracy the size of the load they're about to shoot.
A simple answer would be.. the guys that can't jizz more than five individual sperm cells at a time (and we ALL know who they are) should just not have work anymore. Let natural selection weed them out. Because, frankly, the money shot is called that for a reason.
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Oh, I forgot to say "weak cumshots suck," in case anyone was going to call bullshit on me.
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Posted - Jun 9 2005 : 2:20PM
I didnt say that! I am always very keen on orgasms by the girls, this is one reason I am a big fan of Sandra Romain, but I also want the studs to shoot a decent load. Its A+B, understand?
Also a non-shot or just a few dribbles is an insult to the actress!
for me the money shot is the exclamation point on a great scene or the salvation of a poor scene.
A weak cum shot is as bad as a tight-lipped, eyes-shut, "quick fade to black and hand me a fucking towel or I'm gonna puke", "gross, he just came in my mouth and I'm gagging" dodger.
this thread is a fascinating look at what a lot of feminist criticism of pornography takes issue with. In an "ideal world" it wouldn't matter how large the load was - so long as the girl gets thoroughly satisfied and fucked well. The reality is, that porn is a visual medium in which the psychological measure of pleasure is out-weighed by the visual evidence. Cumshots are widely considered the most obvious visual representation of the climax of an intense scene. Female squirting fulfills this aspect for some viewers as well.
I also would rather see a beautiful girl get a large, rewarding cumshot at the end of the scene rather than see her fake moan thru a scene while getting fucked by some deformed, well-hung stud who cannot deliver the goods at the end.
If you had only said "deformed, well-hung, tattooed stud wearing sunglasses indoors" it would have been even more perfect. Still perfect, just more perfect.
oatmeal said: "gross, he just came in my mouth and I'm gagging"....
On behalf of the nietzsche in all of us, I would just like to let it be known I got ... well, you know.
Agree!!! Nothing worse than a hot slut that WANTS a big load & the guy only has a dribble. I don't get movies that have certain guys in them that don't perform.
The guy can only hold so much cum in him for a day when he's fucking 5-6 times ..usually after the 'first' load the consecutive ones are of course gonna be smaller. So its really not the guys fault. Unless your peter north...It usually takes around 12 hours to start reproducing new semen..
Actually it comes back to the issue of 'We need more male talent'. With a larger pool of talent (?) there wouldn't be the need for them to do a ridiculous number of scenes a day.
I can tell you that after shooting porno for about 6 years now the problem is that the guys jerk off all the time and when it is time to shoot there is no milk. I tell them not to have sex the day before because I know that if they abstain there will be more milk shooting day. I am sure that very few of them actually listen to me and the end result is that there is not enough milk. Fact of life.
Here is one video where the girl does just about choke on some cum that drips down her nose. It really could be dangerous.
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Posted - Jun 10 2005 : 5:16PM
I would like to make porn customers liable for buying the kind of porn I don't like. All you sons of bitches are keeping these bad, no talent mother fuckers in business, which means they are able to produce even more porn I don't like. STOP IT RIGHT NOW. IOW, here is my proposition: stop it right now or I will have to make you pay every DVD I didn't like.
Thank you for your attention.
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Male Talent right here! Will work for one plane ticket to California! If I don't wank for a day or two I can fire a big load as well. Unfortunately I only have 5 inches so I'm automatically disqualified. Isn't that some form of illegal descrimination? I can't get hired because my dick is too small? Maybe I can collect disability?
Well I think you guys are trying to re-write history. From what I remember, guys were always paid strictly for their ability to cum. I don't think cumshots even registered at all until Peter North got in the game. If we were to get rid of all the guys that never shoot or never shoot consistently, you'd probably eliminate well over half of them. Maybe I'm watching the wrong films, because I rarely see guys consistently shoot or drop large loads. Fact is, there just isn't enough male talent to go around. There has to be 10 girls to every guy easily. Porn doesn't need less guys, if anything, it needs a lot more. Unfortunately very few guys can do it consistently week to week. If it was so easy, hell we'd all be on Jim South's door trying to sign up.
Apparently more girls enjoy cumshots that I thought. I must be imagining all that cum-dodging and literal up-chucking I see all the time. I guess getting it in their eyes doesn't really hurt as much as they all say it does either.
How about we make directors and producers liable for all the crap they routinely make? How about we not pay all those female actresses who always go through-the-motions, yet get hired over and over again? Well she can get paid half if she fakes it well enough, but gets nothing if she just lies there looking bored through the whole thing. How about I get an automatic refund if I happen to purchase any of them?
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Posted - Jun 11 2005 : 1:02AM
Of course its their fault. I dont ask those porn studs to be monks in their private life, I dont ask them to do one scene only per day. Everybody shall decide for themself, which behaviour garantees a decent cumshot. Note: I dont ask for large cum-shots, but I say NO to dribbles! It´s up to them. But I dont think thats too much to ask from a professional, I really dont.
Well I think it is. We only see the end result, so its easy to criticize. Those scenes are a lot tougher to shoot from what I gather. We may see 10 to 30 minutes, but I can guanantee you it took a helluva lot longer for them to shoot it. It'd be nice if those guys could just show up, fuck someone like Lauren Phoenix for 20 minutes, and call it a day. Just doesn't work like that. These guys have got to hold-it for an obscene about of time...they can't simply blow whenever they want. The cumshot means nothing if the cameraperson misses it because the guy blew too early or when he/she wasn't expecting it. For some reason, you guys seem to think its a very easy thing to do day-to-day. It isn't, being a porn stud has to be one of the toughest things guys could ever do physically and especially mentally. I don't know how those guys do it every week! There's a reason we see the same few guys all the time.
After he has his fill with the girls, and dropped his load, five or six joes, would then stroll onto the set, to whom the girl/s would then jack off or blow for good measure.
I've actually been to a porn shoot and most of what you say is true, but their are other reasons why we see the same guys all the time. It's been debated so many times, so I won't go into details.
-PornoPunK
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Posted - Jun 11 2005 : 2:35AM
I dont care wheter we see the same guys all over, and I stated at the very beginning of this debate that this job was a very hard job. Nevertheless, from professionals I want reliability. Thats all!
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