Sure, that there are no or only a few of the stars. They are all in twitter, right now there is the next round of "muckraking" starting, Leigh Raven, now Mona Wales. I is getting more and more absurd. Veronica will write a book maybe......I will see what Manuel has to say and who is supporting him. I like to say one thing: after my researches these days it seems as if there are 3, 4 groups of female perfomers in regarding of their behavior in these whole issue about BLM etc. in recent about 10 days or so.
I would do the following classification, 3 groups.
No. 1 I call them the "activists", the ones who active are demanding radical changes in the industry, especially equal rights for black performers. To name but a few, IMO, Leigh Raven, London River, Kendra Sunderland, Romi Rain, Casey Calvert etc., but these are a minority in relation to the whole number of active performers in the present, I guess.
No. 2, the "conformists", women who not really interested in this issue, but knowing to speak something out for not be conspicuous, a kind of pseudo enragement, but actually not really intrigued, they say what they have to say these days but not really touched, actually. Would guess a majority, but don't give a name. If you are looking a bit more precise, then you can identify one by one.
No. 3, "the "ignoring moneymaker" ones, female performer who has only one goal: to make money, as much and as fast they can in this business. And everything that annoyed or interfere these ambitions will ignored, do not really exist and they want not talk, hear or something else about this crises, impact whatever, only one thing in their minds, the show must go on, business as before must continue "whatever it takes". If you watch and look closely to all of the active female porn actresses, you also can find the ones who are in this group. I guess again a huge group, another kind of majority. This is just a kind of estimation of my own observations and impressions viewing the porn scene these days especially via Twitter aims and statements, disputes.
The support is very strong after almost 24h of posting that statement.
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Right Baller23, just saw this on Manuel's Twitter account. Much support for him. But it is still word against word. And I honestly fear that this will end really badly.
So you got tons of support from other women but it still won't be accepted by that accusing crowd even though when it's the other way around(In this case what, 2 accusers?) they will blindly accept it as proof.
The problem with Jenny Blighe and Ginger Banks are they are lightweights in the porn industry who decided to shoot with one of the most famous hardcore companies in existence. I have seen Jenny and Gingers scenes on Pornhub. 15 min scenes with 5 mins sex at least. Very tame.
Most female porn actresses work the way to the big leagues. They start in Florida working for Bangbros and all those cheap companies before they can get to the big established ones in California. Point is they have to deal with a lot of shit on their climb to the top. I mean have you ever seen how obnoxious Bangbros can be ? All the other less classy sites are the worst.
I know its all hearsay and we don't personally know Manuel Ferrara as a person. But its very telling that most of the women that he has worked with have stated that he never went to far, that he respected boundaries and he was easy to work with so I'm more inclined to believe those women that have supported him.
Obviously just because other women have had good experiences working with Manuel doesn't automatically mean he hasn't crossed the line with others. However, the sheer number of performers showing their support bodes well for him. I could be wrong, but this feels different to the Ryan Madison situation.
She's not participating anymore because she could only lie for so long and she doesn't want to be taken to court. She spent all day ranting and telling people to sign her stupid petition.
I don't like giving even an inch to people who would lie about something as serious as sexual assault or rape. It has actually happened to women in this industry and these three have thrown their lie in with real victims. Now the strategy Jenny and Ginger are taking was Manuel did something unintentionally but he can acknowledge the Jenny was hurt. In other words I just want you to apologize for something so Jenny cans save face. That's bullshit. Veronica is off on another planet somewhere. She really needs to leave the industry for good but like she said she hasn't won the lotto and can't walk away.
He gave her an out to help her save face after two years of bullshit. Ginger is just as bad and she and Jenny should stick to camming instead of scamming.
Nice to see that everything was resolved well in the end, unlike other guys Manuel has experience to deal with these problems and solve in a friendly way. If he has been in the industry for more than 20 years without problems is because he has the experience of working and respecting the girl's boundaries...
He had pistol-whipped her a few days before and then she OD'ed and he subsquently committed suicide. Chico had previously served serious time for kidnapping and beating an ex-girlfriend (he tied her to a chair and tortured her). With that kind of background he should never have been involved in porn.
Another example of a well known abuser in the industry is the 'legendary' John Holmes had a 14-year-old 'girlfriend' he abused for years.
But in that case he actually kept her away and secret from those in the porn industry, he claimed to her it was because he hated the 'scum' he worked with (and informed on them to the LAPD in reality) but I suspect he knew many of them would probably disaprove of their relationship as well.
Ironically Holmes was quite respectful and gentle on set while regularly physically and sexually abusing the underage girl off-set.
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Posted - Jun 14 2020 : 3:51AM
I'm not sure anyone will know what this was really about, and I didn't want to speculate. But at least it's over.
Right I agree with you, and for poor Veronica, she should really leave this business as you said fo good, but she needs the money essentially. I am really worried about her, and the be really serious, we had too much suicides of women who were involved in this biz and where you can clearly seen a link between killing herself and her porn involvment. Just think about this little girl from dutch, this poor soul, her stage name ws Julie Skyhigh, did a lot for LP. And LP gave a shit for her. I wrote there concerning this, no answer. Business as usual. There must be changes, not only BLM. And I can only root for Veronica.
They manage to find the better solution for all it could have been very destructive for all parts look at the nikki benz situation with brazzers she lost it all we don't see her a lot Ramon the male performer too he is less active and the director I don't really know what happened to him after if they have handled the situation like Jenny Manuel and the director did they still be more active in the industry there's a very thin line between consent and abuse especially in porn where sex and intimacy is what you working with
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I think Asa sum it up really well
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Posted - Jun 14 2020 : 5:48AM
^ What about the hurt that Manuel received in the last 2 years?? What about that? Anybody gives a shit about what a man goes through when accused of something like this?? Or maybe NO save women, fuck men.
you should tell us why he choose to not answer to these allegation the past 2 years he could have done it before why wait ? why stay silent ?
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Muesliman84 Deactivated User
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Posted - Jun 14 2020 : 6:38AM
Clearly something went wrong on that set on that day. I think Manuel's groupies on here and on twitter are far too keen to label Jenny Blithe a liar when it's perfectly possible that it was simply a huge misunderstanding and that both are being honest about what they thought happened on that day. The fact he went from threatening to lawyer up to a far more conciliatory tone, and she did likewise suggests this isn't as black or white as one being completely right and one being completely wrong.
Because he knew she and Ginger were liars and not worth his time. Same with Veronica and that's why all the scenes are available for viewing and not taken down. If you watch this scene or any one of his scene he's constantly in the girl's ear asking them what they want and looking in their eyes for any signs of distress. That is the reason so many women came to his defense even ones no longer in porn like London Keyes. Jenny and Ginger were constantly asking for him to keep going and giving him positive feedback during the scene. If you ask him to choke you again he will do it. Shit, Sheena Shaw asked him to spit in her mouth once and he did it. Jenny was not unconscious as she claimed the be in a still pic that is plain to see in the actual scene. For them to later claim abuse after not even bothering to speak to him on set after the scene if they had any issues instead taking it to Twitter is pure deception and malicious intent. I believe they did it boost their OF pages with all the sympathy. I support any woman going through actual abuse in this industry and outside, they deserve to be heard but liars are the worst. There are male predators in the industry and these are the female predators.
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Posted - Jun 14 2020 : 7:14AM
Because people believe women blindly without any evidence. For most men there is literally nothing you can say to make people believe you, to makes things better... so its better to keep your mouth shut. And why should you have to say anything?? You should be innocent until proven guilty, not the other way round. Only thing that worked in his favor this time is so many women supporting him publicly.
Did you pay attention at all? She didn't even start out with her lies fully from the start, 2 years ago. They slowly evolved(and contradicted) over time untill recently where she did the public assault on his character.
lol @ the other post, "manuel groupies". I always avoid Manuel's scenes, I'm not a fan of him as a performer as I just find him to be too present in the scenes. But as a professional and person he is top notch and does not deserve this kind of fake scandal on his livelihood.
If ex performers like Asa told you guys there can be different truth you should consider it you talk about blindly support someone that's exactly what you are doing it's manuel it's impossible lol like I said before it happened to nikki benz and Ramon was well known in the industry it can happen to anyone to feel abuse on set
^Because it's wrong that a reputable professional is being accused with lies that can tarnish his career/life? I don't need to be a fan of said individual to defend what's right. Sounds like we're not gonna get anywhere with you, simple morally correct issues are very complicated to you.
^^It's anything but blind support unlike the likes of you. I didn't state my opinion on this case untill somebody else watched the scene and highlighted the contradictions, then I watched the scene too and it was confirmed. Blind support is when a girl goes on twitter and makes a post that's clearly triggering emotional individuals who think with their feelings instead of brains first. She contradicted herself, the proof is out there. Even if she really felt abused, there's no excuse for the former.
lol you know abuse can lead to trauma right and it affect memory the full footage of the scene would make all the light of what happened that day you really think an edited scene can reveal an abuse you got your convictions I got mine
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Posted - Jun 14 2020 : 7:46AM
It's very simplistic to just assume they were concocting some grand lie to boost their profile and careers. How many porn girls have seen an increase in bookings and revenue on the back of an allegation like this?
I would wager that the failings come from higher up the food chain than Manuel. There is clearly a larger problem with porn shoots, the lack of coherent organisation, and absurd time constraints. A revamp of how these shoots are done will not only protect female performers, but also make it far less likely that any potential career destroying misunderstandings will occur for male performers.
Manuel has done an excellent job for over 2 decades with the way he did it, with this being the only case of a 'problem'. The performer who accuses him has done 2 pro scenes that I know of, both ending in these kind of accusations. I fail to see how Manuel is the problem here and not the other performer.
and why not the full footage reveal all we want to know ? it's not amnesia it's mental confusion since when a vanilla scene ended with girl passing out don't remember what really happened blame the girl all you want but something fishy happened that day
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Posted - Jun 14 2020 : 8:25AM
That's why I said the fault likely isn't his and could be a misunderstanding from poor preparation from co-star and studio. Something clearly went badly wrong.
Men have a responsibility to respect women's limits and stop if there is any discomfort and women have a responsibility to say they are uncomfortable or just say stop. If the male doesn't stop then it's rape by definition. I've seen that scene multiple times and Jenny and Ginger in no way whatsoever communicated that they were in any discomfort or that they wanted Manuel to stop which he would have. They only expressed being totally into the scene and him. Manuel was there after the scene and they said nothing to him but had no problem taking it straight to strangers on Twitter and the media like the NY Post. For that I'm not buying any amnesia nonsense in this case. They crafted a story that evolved over time and at first Ginger wanted no part of it but Jenny got her on board. This got some notable media attention and no doubt got subscribers for their OF as they constantly advertise it. I have little doubt that Jenny wanted to do one porn scene with a studio she knew was not vanilla so she could cause this controversy. Like I said I've seen this happen to someone in my personal life and I find it deeply offensive. Mission accomplished ladies you got your attention.
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Posted - Jun 14 2020 : 8:34AM
Ginger Banks is very outspoken about abuse and started off the chain reaction that has seen Ron Jeremy having to face up to the past. I very much doubt she would entertain this just to boost her OF as she has been campaigning on this sort of thing since before OF was even a thing so you are clearly talking nonsense on that front.
I trust that Manuel didn't set out to intentionally make anyone feel uncomfortable, and I think the joint statement draws a line under things nicely.
^ I don't know about Ron Jeremy in much detail only that he may have touched women without consent, but hopefully both Jenny and Ginger stay out of pro porn and no pros shoot with them on cam.
Proud of Manuel for being magnanimous. He didn't "change his tone" or anything, Jenny agreed to stop - which is what Manuel wanted. The statement is still pretty weak on her part. For one, Manuel "apologizes" to Jenny but Jenny only "acknowledges" that she was wrong. The statement says they will also "stop attacking each other". Manuel was stone silent for two years out of respect to Jenny, and then when she went on a weeklong tirade against him, he posted a reasonable statement that answered the accusations that could've ended Manuel's career. Jenny was the one posting images from the scene, and then complaining when Evil Angel promised to post them with the original context. Plus, the statement makes an apology to Jenny's husband, but says nothing about how she insulted Kayden in her original statement and also was insulting their marriage on Twitter a few days ago.
For discussion about actors besides Manuel Ferrara, I hope people can go back to the other threads...
yes we should stop it this thread is about his raw serie after all wish the both part the best for their carreer
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Posted - Jun 14 2020 : 8:46AM
It's a bit more serious than "may have touched women without consent". Ginger Banks is supporting a number of women who are alleging misconduct, crossed boundaries and even sexual assault on porn sets or by people in positions of power on porn sets. I really don't think she has done anything wrong.
^^^ Jenny and Ginger freaked out when Manuel said he would post the scene for free for everyone and upped their attacks. You can pick each lie apart by watching the scene from Jenny's squirting which Ginger immediately proceeded on her own to lick from Manuel's hand and Jenny doing the same from Ginger's pussy unprompted to the choking which both Jenny and Ginger participated in gleefully. This was a shameful concocted lie and a black-eye to this industry that is already dealing with a problem of REAL abuse of women. Thank god they are out of pro porn.
Jenny herself doesn't claim something happened outside the cut scene. Her claims involved moments that happened in the scene that can actually be viewed, and she posted screenshots with a caption to manipulate you and others. Like Seijuro said, Manuel offered to post the entire scene for free, and the accusers didn't react well to that which is telling.
Maybe it was amnesia like you said that made her claim he choked her unconcious in that moment when it was actually her and her fellow accuser telling him and eachother to continue choking eachother. Oh I see, mental confusion. Nope, she knew what she was doing online.
The Studio? If you acknowledge that Manuel is not at fault for not being given signals, then why should the studio, do they have mind reading abilities that Manuel doesn't have?
It's only 2 individuals' faults and what they did on social media to ruin people's lives is what went badly wrong.
she did not say she tried to stop the scene and the director answers she ruins the flow and you say nothing happened during the cut really stop it man go watch some scene we done here the case is close now
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Posted - Jun 14 2020 : 9:27AM
He clearly didn't get consent to bite, and certainly not consent to choke to the point of near blackout. You are seeing in this a very black and white fashion and smearing people as liars when Manuel has clearly taken some responsibility.
^ Did you even see the scene? If you didn't then you know only what Jenny and Ginger want you to know. I only called it a "choke" because his hand was on her neck just as Jenny and Ginger's hands were on each others necks in total delight. It was not even close to a point of near blackout so much so that Jenny immediately did the same to Ginger and vice versa. She simply posted a still of herself with her eyes closed and said this was her almost blacking out. Jules was right. It's disingenuous to comment on something you have not seen. That is the reason Jenny didn't want the scene released for free and panicked. She needed people to believe her lie.
Hi, I agree with you concerning doing stuff for free will, I have a lot of movies seen, also any of Manuel and others and often they were asked should or can I do this within shooting of a certain seen. They say yes very often. And the only thing is they agree and it seems not to be pressure. Behind the scenes we surely don't know what still happened. Or a girl is under drugs or alcohol would be a 2. option. Difficult. For Veronica, you know I like her much, and it is hard to differ if she was under pressure in a certain scene they shot once or has she just change her mind concerning what she did before free will and now she's regretting more or less. I really don't know, but as others said, where in a vicious circle and should maybe stop talkings about this issue.
Maybe she doesn't think it's a lie. Maybe she thinks there is something to her story. Perceived or otherwise. Who knows. All I can say is I was approached twice at work by the same woman over the course of 3-4 months unsolicited. The first time she gave me her # and said when she's back in town let's get coffee. The second time she was hiding in the parking lot and could see me leaving. She approached me, I rebuffed her, and she went off on me saying that i was leading her on because I smiled at her or something like that. I ave no idea what she's talking about and reported her, but whenever I see her at work, I give her a wide berth.
