+1 I have repeatedly said the same thing myself many times on this forum. I always find it interesting how these types of scenes only cause controversy here if it's a straight scene with a dominant male and a submissive female. Yet, if this were the exact same scene with none of the action changed, except with the gender roles reversed with Kara as the dominant and Nacho as the submissive, then I wonder how many of the people in this thread would be expressing concern over Nacho's welfare, or accusing Kara of abuse. The same goes for if this were a gay scene with two men, or even a lesbian scene with two women. In any of these cases, I guarantee that there would be no such controversy, and this thread wouldn't even exist. You hit the nail right on the head when you pointed out that this whole ridiculous debate is just another example of the gender bias that some people obviously have, and their belief that women must be either too weak or too stupid to make their own decisions without a bunch of fanboys protecting them and telling them what is "acceptable" for them to do.
It's hilarious. People on a friggin' porn forum saying others should get "help" for what they like to watch. A large part of the world thinks all of us need help for watching porn alltogether. Ridiculous. This should be the one place where no one is judged and yet al I read is anti-anysortofextremeporn comments.
Yes, you are being too critical. what you are saying is what all anti-porn activists say about standard porn; "This should not be made. No matter what consenting adults want to do we know better." You are free to not watch. You are also free to say no one else should watch. And you are free to say that some things should not be filmed even by adults who want to film them. I think it's an over-reaction. I feel adults who have a specific fetish and find other adults who have the same fetish should make any type of scene they want. I would never watch a scene like the one you tell us about in such detail. I agree; from what you say it's a fucked up scene. The actors wanted to do it. Therefore I don't think YOU should decide what should and should not be made. I've shot some fucked up scenes in my career. As long as all people are consenting and the check clears I'm okay with it. Live and let live. What ever floats your boat. To each his own. Okay, I'm done...
she was compliant, she wasn't acting. I've seen porn movies that try to have a story and a plot and it's insult to real acting. Porn stars can't act. if they could they wouldn't be doing porn. Using your argument then Mixed Martial Arts is "acting" since it's violent but both sides consent. Edited by - vollenweider on 7/5/2013 11:15:35 PM
+1 i agree the hypocrisy is evident. They had an amateur ball-busting video where the woman claimed(i can't say if she was bullshiting or not) she castrated her ex-boyfriend for real with a Burdizzo(a farm tool that crushed the blood vessels supplying the testicles) if that is true she should be thrown in jail and IMO that is worse than anything feminist can complain about in any porn video.
Look. I like rough sex. I enjoy watching rough sex. But to the geniuses who keep screaming "it's fake!!", can you knock off this bullshit already? It makes you look like sociopaths or just dumbasses grasping at every straw trying to defend your kink. All the physical acts are real. It's not "fake" when the girl's getting choked and ends up passing out; it's not "fake" when she's getting slapped and punched -- unless you're claiming she's pretending to fall unconscious or that the marks on her skin and the blood coming out of her ass are all CGI! When you sound so full of crap trying to defend something you might as well be attacking it.
^ Does staged worked better as a word for you, then? Because while it's not "fake", it's definitely not as "real" as some people are making it out to be.
^No, that's still bs. Fake and staged would both imply the girl is really not getting slapped, punched or choked. All those things are actually happening. Any defense of these scenes that hinges on the acts being fake is ridiculously dishonest.
^ The part that people are saying is "fake" isn't the acts, it's the woman's disapproval of the acts. In the scene she's screaming "stop" "no" etc. She's pushing him away. But she doesn't actually want the male to stop. That's what's "fake". In fact as you see in this thread the female is the one who actually designed/created the scene. She definitely did not want the male to stop.
Professional wrestling is staged. That doesn't mean people aren't still getting hit/hurt. Staged doesn't imply that people aren't getting hit. It implies that it's being done in a way to make it look worse than it really is.
it happens also to wrestlers, and to stuntmen also.
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^That's ok: they're men. Don't you know men are immune to physical and emotional pain? ________________________________________________ Please ID these girls from PlayboyTV's Foursome show Edited by - hoochimama on 7/6/2013 9:45:29 PM
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I despise Nacho. I won't buy anything with his name on it even if it's a non sex cameo in a movie full of my favorite stars. Did he go too far in this scene? It sounds to me like he did. But people like him for some strange reason and I don't feel it's another persons place to tell them what they should or should not watch. Just saying, if I saw him punching or pissing on a woman I'd wanna kick his overrated ass. That's not porn, it abuse at the least, rape at the most.
That just means contact is happening. It doesn't mean it's as "real" as it looks. As someone said, the same types of things happen in other "staged" events, like wrestling and stuntwork. And the people who honestly think that this situation even comes close to, for lack of a better phrase, "actual rape", need to go look at what rape actually is. She very clearly consented to this scene (by coming up with the idea herself, by not using her safe word, etc.), therefore it is not rape by any logical definition.
Again, the girl IS getting slapped, punched and choked. To pretend those acts aren't really happening as an argument against objection to them is nonsense. To use your wrestling analogy, it would be like saying the dudes aren't really falling on the mat because the outcome is already determined. Edited by - pornication on 7/7/2013 10:53:42 AM
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Of course those things are really happening. So what's your point?
You keep talking like the people defending these scenes are using the word fake to say that these things aren't happening. Which we/they aren't. We're calling it fake because it's made specifically to look worse than it really is. Which is exactly why I suggested changing the wording from fake to staged.
^ I see no reason to claim that it looks worse than it really is. Who cares? Say it is exactly as brutal as it looks. The only point that should matter here is that the woman wanted it to happen. That is why it's 'fake'. Because in the scene she's saying "stop!" "no!" but in reality she wanted it. That's what's fake about it. All other discussions are just confusing the issue.
this is exactly what I thought. If both parties weren't cool with this it would be a huge lawsuit/court case and now knowing that you, Chris Streams, shot it, it is more than apparent that both wanted to do it because having worked with you before, even when the girl might SEEM in pain (even if she enjoys it) you stop it and make sure its all good. Honestly everything about this scene but the poop and the punching excited me to even just read about!
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Some people just don't want to draw the line at consent, some people want to draw the line at whatever it is they find distasteful at the moment, which is one of the pickles of the US porn industry(although threats of the same hover over the euro and jp porn bizzes). ________________________________________________ Please ID these girls from PlayboyTV's Foursome show Edited by - hoochimama on 7/7/2013 3:23:38 PM
I agree with you, actually. My point is more to argue against the people that don't care that she wanted it, that it shouldn't have been filmed because someone is "getting hurt" in the process.
^ This scene is acted and it was the girl who wrote it that way, this is most clear, but there are other places where although there's consent the scenes are so rough some stars quit porn. those at facial abuse are infamous for that , many a newbie quit after shooting with them. Some stars even experienced stars who didn't believe that had to reconsider after shooting for them. Something is wrong in there. There are reasons making people so upset. so said this scene is a regular one, it was the girl who wanted it as such. Edited by - LCF on 7/7/2013 4:16:42 PM
A question to those who enjoy scenes like the one described - What is it that you like about them? Does it turn you on to see a womans blood? Is it because she is submissive? Is it because she 'wants' to be hurt? Is it because you would like to be the one doing the beating? There's a lot of, what seems to be, "freedom of speech" fanfaire above, but, again, is it healthy to be sitting there, beating off, over footage of a women getting punched in the face? ...and please dont just come back with talk of lines, and any other porn act. Simple question - you, the screen, and footage of a women getting punched in the face?
^ look I'm one of those who are often complaining for too much violence in a scene especially when unnecessary , I do not watch BDSM stuff usually , I only do when I know the girl is into it. I didn't see this scene , nor I plan to , not my usual cup of tea, but since it was Kara who wanted this scene done exactly as such , also according to Chris Stream she asked him to continue to film whatever was happening unless she used some safe signal or word. This is not only consensual but actually the consensus had to be given by Nacho and Chris , Kara was the one who hired them to do exactly that. What would turn me on? To know the girl is actually enjoying that , to know she is the one who wanted that , to know she was the one who had that fantasy and managed to realize that. But even if I was dreaming to be the one hitting her, until there's full consensus (with full I mean anything has to be settled and decided in advance,including all lines) I can't see any problem. Many women have rape fantasy but none of them would like to be raped for real, many men have violence fantasies but they don't do that for real I saw a scene with Bree Olson from Pornstar Punishment , that stuff usually depicts unconsensual sex (almost) I was so into Bree that I rented the DVD just for her scene. She played a spoiled asshole , who was bitching all around toward everything and everybody , at one point one of them had had enough , grabbed her pushed her on a couch and fucked her up the ass senseless, I was most surprised but that aroused me greatly , she played the bitch so well that I found that punishment so well deserved that it excited me. I think it was the same sort of personal satisfaction when the extreme asshole black hat finally dies in a movie . Do I find satisfactory the death of people? Of course not, it horrifies me. Did I enjoy the death of Emperor Palpatine in Star Wars EP VI? Hell YES! Would I enjoy a rape? Hell NO! BIG TIME! I was most disturbed by Monica Bellucci's rape scene in Irreversible , it showed a brutal rape and was a long scene, I couldn't even watch it entirely Did I enjoyed the punishment of Bree Olson ? again Yes , I did. Am I monster? I don't think so And I'm not even into such things, yet I liked it.
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He's not dead. There, I just saved you the expense of seeing Disney's Episode VII.You can ask any shrink if repression is healthier. ________________________________________________ Please ID these girls from PlayboyTV's Foursome show Edited by - hoochimama on 7/8/2013 6:55:11 PM
everyone is quick to attack Nacho for what he does on screen... has anyone seen the new video on EvilAngel.com directed by Dana Vespoli from her new video called "Fluid"??? scene #3 is available today with Allie Haze and Stephen St Croix...she spends about 1/2 the video (around 30 minutes) with the upper half of her face covered in spit from him...not to mention he weatherboarding... Anybody interested in this type of video better download it fast before the PC Police get it pulled because of he Water Boarding!!!
^^^^^ I tried to download it but because its a World Premere, it's not available to be downloaded until all the scenes have been shown on July 10th... I hope John McCain and Lindsey Graham don't have a congressional hearing and get it banned because of the water boarding...LOL
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^You mean they only like water-boarding when it's done non-consensually? ________________________________________________ Please ID these girls from PlayboyTV's Foursome show Edited by - hoochimama on 7/9/2013 11:29:24 AM
The problem is how do we know for sure if it's consensual or not? Sure maybe this time it was, but if you can get away with a scene were weapons are involved and the girl is saying no, who's to say they can't do that an unsuspecting actress and then she says it was consensual because she's terrified of the people that made the scene? What if she thinks something bad might happen to her if she tries to press charges?
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Posted - Jul 10 2013 : 3:01AM
First off, I am going to admit that I didn't read everyone's comments before responding. I want to make a few things clear: - This scene is NOT AT ALL the reason I retired. You can read all about why I stropped shooting in Girl Friends Films Newsletter. - Camera A is Chris Streams and Camera B is a cool Spanish guy on Nacho's payroll. The scene was booked and planned in advance. It's NOT rape. - Nacho is a good friend, a great guy, and an amazing fuck. - We created that scene TOGETHER. - I wanted to make a super hardcore movie and am so proud of this scene. - Nacho and I split the feels for the shoot 50-50. I own this content. Want the full version with dirty, dirty things that you can't see on line? Email me and I'll send you a DVD: karapricexxx@gmail.com.
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What's "very funny" about it? Kara, always a class-act, takes the time to explain something to her fans, and you respond with cryptic comments? I don't get the humor.
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Posted - Jul 10 2013 : 4:11PM
I think a lot of guys get off on hardcore content. Some guys get off on trying to save the women who make it. Maybe it's all part of the fantasy for OP? Nacho is not at all the reason I stopped porn because I love working with him. If every scene was with Nacho I'd still be shooting! :) :) I want to add a few more comments. First off, I would never have sex with any other human the way I did with Nacho. (I've topped some really hard core scenes off camera, but I'll only bottom like that for him.) He's a special guy and a good buddy. I did this because Nacho and I are on the same page. We also took the time to plan this scene. He put a lot of effort into making sure it was hot, safe, and exciting for us both. Second, I would never do this scene for pay. It's too hard core to expect a contractor or an employee to do. We shot this scene trade. It's more of a collaborative art project than a professional scene.
Nice one Kara for setting things 100% straight. That should be the end of it but i got a sneaky feeling that it might not be.I'm not sure what gives me that idea.
Kara, I can't imagine shoving shit smeared toilet paper into your mouth as something that gets planned. I'd love to be a fly on the wall at that meeting haha Congrats on pushing your boundaries! Seems like it was a very positive experience.
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Posted - Jul 10 2013 : 7:58PM
I'm not sure you understand what planned sex really means. I didn't make a list of the 100 things I'm okay with doing. (Who could remember that anyway!?) I made sure Nacho and I were on the same page as to what sort of things were cool and how far we wanted to go. Think about having sex with your good friend, girl friend, or wife. You know what she likes and can creatively try new things on the fly and get good results. If she likes it when you nibble ner ear maybe she'll like it if you nibble her neck. You don't have to ask if it's okay to try something new that similar to what you know she likes. Safe sex is all about knowing what your partner likes and having good communication skills.
Not sure what this means. I'm mainly referring to a law I read about how there can't be bondage and sex at the same time in porn. Every bondage scene I've seen, the ropes/cuffs get undone before intercourse starts. I thought it was excessive censorship at first but when I read the explanation (about the possibility of it being non-consensual)it made more sense.
^ That's not a "law" it's a guideline that pornographers operated on for a long time. These days, for better or for worse, that's not so much the case. See kink.com etc.
Some porn simply isn't for everyone's taste. Porn so hardcore that even some general lovers of it might cringe or feel uneasy at times watching it. I see a guy like Nacho as a specialist in very rough and/or hardcore scenes. Luckily most scenes I run across, usually give some kind of advance warning, although I don't follow website porn much. As long as everything is agreed on beforehand, and such scenes don't pop-up in films, without advance warning, I have no personal issues. At some point maybe decades ago, I started to notice more and more female performers gravitating towards sex that was decidedly more hardcore or rough at times. Kind of unsettled me because I didn't believe any woman could be really and truly interested in such things. I wanted to blame the male performers or directors too. I learned that some of the women truly want to go where most others can't or won't. They can't just do it with anyone though. I really think it takes a lot of trust and conversation.
Maybe I'm misinterpreting what you're saying, but here's what it sounds like: -You seem to believe there is a law somewhere that prevents depictions of bondage/constraints/coercion together with sex (in essence anything that could look like rape) in porn movies. Is there a legal definition for a porn movie or would this be applied to any movie? -You seem to believe the reasoning behind such a law was to prevent rapists from going around raping women with guns pointed at them, filming it, saying it's porn, threatening the victims into silence and getting away with it. (Dude, seriously??) Don't you think a more likely reason behind such a law(actually a self-censoring porn rule as pointed out by KillBillVol69) could just be that depictions of rape are very gross, which is a legally dangerous thing to produce in a country where the very gross is often deemed illegal? Don't you think another more likely reason people would want that kind of smut to be illegal is the instinctive fear of some "monkey-see monkey-do" boogeyman imitating what he sees in such movies? ________________________________________________ Please ID these girls from PlayboyTV's Foursome show Edited by - hoochimama on 7/11/2013 5:59:33 PM
