I'm in the filthy flicks! I'm a porn star. I'm a sex machine. I'm a dirty fuck. 48 Posts 4/11
Posted - Jul 11 2013 : 2:35PM
It seems like Aplus gets it. I'm not in a "life style" and I enjoy all kinds of sex (romantic, soft, rough, kinky, passionate, lesbian, and more). Sometimes, with the right person and a lot of communication things get wild and it's crazy hot. As for legal issues, obscenity is defined trial by trial by a group of our peers. Some attorneys recommend against bondage and sex on DVD since DVDs can be shipped to conservative countries where the peers are more likely to say it's too much. There is no law against bondage and penetration (or fisting for that matter (another one folks often think is illegal)). I hope my explanation helps y'all understand why you see some things on DVD and other things only on line.
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Posted - Jul 12 2013 : 9:04PM
Or pissing (on girls), or age-play (adult performers playing the roles of minors), or simulated rape. These are all also things that people keep thinking are illegal, but are actually not, as there are no laws anywhere explicitly prohibiting them. Going by the posts I've been reading in this thread by porn-viewers who can't distinguish reality from a performance, I guess I can understand why the porn industry is now too scared to make this type of content anymore, even though it's perfectly legal. If this is the crazy way that people who call themselves fans of porn react to it, then it's not hard to imagine the type of ignorance that the general public would have towards it. People really need to grow up and let adults be adults.
Don't "Dude seriously" me. I'm not talking about rapists, I'm talking about pornographers getting away with questionable activity. There's countless stories on here of stars getting coerced into doing things they didn't agree to when the camera's start rolling, as told by the stars themselves. Max Hardcore just got out of jail for this. Plus, you make it sound like it's absurd to think human trafficking doesn't exist or that organized crime has never had a hand in porn production.
No, he was imprisoned on obscenity charges. However, two porn performers that I know of outright said that what went down in their scenes constituted rape. I think you're confusing the two.
But how do you apply this reasoning to the scene at hand? Kara herself said it is all consensual , nobody coerced her, also the director was told not to stop whatever was going on by the girl.
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hoochimama Deactivated User
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Posted - Jul 13 2013 : 11:57AM
So when you write:I'm supposed to understand you're not talking about rape? That "not consensual", "weapons involved", "girl is saying no", "unsuspecting actress" who lies about giving consent because she's "terrified of the people that made the scene" is just ...."questionable activity"?I even hear stories of playmates getting coerced into poses that reveal their buttholes, but is it forced sex?He went to prison for mailing gross porn to some prudish US state, not for his off-camera bullshit.No, but I do believe it's absurd to think that criminals committing rape are going to be making rape-themed videos of it available both publicly and commercially with legally-compliant sexual-content warning disclaimers in the beginning, 2257 compliance statements and designated custodians of records that can be checked by law enforcement. I also believe you have to be extremely naive to think that if you record a victim of sex traffic mafias doing what she's been forced into doing almost 24/7 for years on end that it's going to look anything like a rape video rather than some bored chick with dead eyes getting fucked. ________________________________________________ Please ID these girls from PlayboyTV's Foursome show Edited by - hoochimama on 7/14/2013 8:02:13 AM
^ Point being? The scene at hand wasn't one for facial abuse , and yes I agree those guys are bad , Kara also said it is bad, but then again the scene with her and Nacho has nothing to do with them, and, as she said, it was FULLY consensual. Unless you think her word against FA are true , but her words supporting Nacho aren't either she's a liar or she's not , if she is nothing she says can be trusted, if she's not then all of what she said is true, again there was nothing wrong in her scene with Nacho. Her words cannot just be picked up conveniently and trusted conveniently,you have to take the whole package, either you believe her or don't.
Edited by - LCF on 7/14/2013 5:13:44 AM
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realtip Deactivated User
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Posted - Jul 14 2013 : 6:14AM
^She may not necessarily be a liar. But it does make her look like a hypocrite. She's basically criticizing other women who have done similarly rough scenes by assigning the label of victim to them, which is the exact same thing that pople have done to her for doing this scene with Nacho. Yet, when she decides to do her own rough scene, then it's fine. It like she's saying, "If I choose to do it, then it's OK. But if other girls choose to do it, then it's not."
^ she's referring to what other performers said about Facial Abuse , they go FAR beyond what is agree, they're infamous for that. Clayra Beau said many things about them, but not only her , she's just the first name come to mind. If you agree to a slap they slap you all the time , there's a topic here where a member was looking for pornstars breakdown during a scene , you know what , almost all of them were from FA , I mean stars escaping from the scene and getting no money. They interview the girl to "put her at ease" by asking them things , what disturb them, about family, what she desn't like and so and then they do exactly what they know will hurt her the most , I don't know what kind of agreement they have prior to the scene, but maybe it is just too generic and exploit the trust of the star who doesn't realize until it's too late , she is not going to play a victim, she IS the victim. There are stars who quit just after a scene with them , there are newbies whose agent booked them for FA them in their very first shoot and they do nothing more I was following a newbie , Kris Foxy a very cute platinum blonde open almost to anything with already Anal and IR among her scenes (not many 4 or 5 maybe) and a BJ only for Brandon Iron she then filmed for FA, I didn't saw the scene but someone who did said to me she was terrified of someone out of view and was very apparent especially at the end. She quit just after. EDIT it is unclear though whether she filmed her Brandon Iron's scene after that or prior to that, Brandon said he saw that scene , so , but I'm not sure of this, she might have done what was scheduled before quitting
Are the girls at FacialAbuse as much in control of their scenes as Kara was in control of the Nacho scene? Kara knew she could trust Nacho because she knew him already for quite a while (and she could trust Chris Streams). Do the performers at Facial Abuse also know that they can trust the FA guys? I just think there are some differences between the two situations.
I remember what Clayra said, anyway I wonder what she was thinking to find in a site called "Facial abuse". I mean, look to some trailer before... I may seem rude, but I can't complain if I smoke for all my life and then I get cancer, because it was my choice.
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hoochimama Deactivated User
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Posted - Jul 14 2013 : 9:47AM
^I was under the impression those kinds of sites mostly picked complete newbies who had no clue what they were in for though. I don't think Clayra is a particularly good example of those pornographers crossing the line:In facialabuse & co's shoes I'd be paying pornstars like Kara & former performers like Clayra to say that kind of thing since I imagine it's precisely the kind of viral publicity they benefit from. ________________________________________________ Please ID these girls from PlayboyTV's Foursome show Edited by - hoochimama on 7/14/2013 11:08:55 AM
Let me get it straight guys , here's people complaining about the scene between Nacho and Kara who was admittedly full staged to the point of giving specific instructions to the director FROM KARA about what to do during the scene. and there's people who justify the infamous facial abuse? Clayra was just one I mentioned but Alex Divine did too years ago, also many of the actresses in there are total newbie , some of them literally fled from the scene and from porn and now I hear they had to be aware of that, I think their agent should inform them (shouldn't book them as first scene in there in the first place) But even if she accept a rough scene that doesn't mean it has to be abusive to the point to force them to flee. If an experienced star like Clayra (who BTW did lots of scenes for kink after that and had no complain with them) couldn't understand and control the situation how can do that a newbie. just go there take a good look to the stars and find out how many of them quit or did only that scene, it's an awful lot. any resemblance between that of Nacho and those at FA is equal to that between chocolate and shit
actually there are newbies that have any problems doing that stuff, and there are performers who have done two or three scenes with them. I'm not denying that it's very rough (and that the site is pretty misogynystic), but anyway I still wonder why those who complain after don't look even at a trailer before.
They don't have to, just need to be sure she knows what is happening in there, also an agent theoretically most like a Hollywood agent should care about those he represents, they are those he gets the money from,he should inform them what they are going to face, if he's not doing what he's paid for but on the contrary damage their interest should be banned from the profession.I wonder from where his money actually comes, of you know a performer most likely will quit after working with them, or flee from the scene ,she doesn't, you don't get paid , so why you continue to book girls with them?
^ and this add something to the actual exploit of naive wannabe porn stars.
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hoochimama Deactivated User
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Posted - Jul 14 2013 : 12:54PM
^Of course, but are you suggesting they be disbarred from some imaginary suitcase pimp association? Only thing I could see changing the lot of newbies who get thrown at these wolves is having the right to be paid for a partial performance the way kink.com does(and for all I know they might actually already do that), but how would that ever become a law?I can't speak for others since the only FA scene I've seen made me vomit(the sexxxtons one) but to me the point of those twitter quotes was that this thread started off with someone accusing Nacho of raping Kara because they saw her screaming "No, Nacho stop!" in a movie. An accusation that could be seen as libel. Then someone posts Kara quotes where she throws similar accusations at some other rough sex pornographers. I can't help but wonder what exactly she knows and means by that. I am aware of those studios' nasty reputations, one they stand to benefit from and so may as well actively encourage, but I wonder if she really means it or if it's hyperbole. ________________________________________________ Please ID these girls from PlayboyTV's Foursome show Edited by - hoochimama on 7/14/2013 12:55:57 PM
Put it that way if I hire and pay an attorney to do my best interests toward someone else but instead he gets money from my counterpart and does their best interest rather than mine what would you say? This is what those agents do.So yes they should be disbarred. The difference between what Kara did with Nacho and that of FA , is that everything was staged BY HER , so whatever she said was planned by HER, lines included , it was part of the act. This is not what happens at FA, that with the Sexxxtons has been renown as the lowest of the lowest level they ever reached. Edited by - LCF on 7/14/2013 1:27:00 PM
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hoochimama Deactivated User
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Posted - Jul 14 2013 : 1:35PM
From what?So...every rough sex scene should be directed by the female performer rather than by the director? The entire scene should always be planned in advance, lines included, by the female performer? ________________________________________________ Please ID these girls from PlayboyTV's Foursome show Edited by - hoochimama on 7/14/2013 1:46:46 PM
^ From being a licensed talent agent is I'm guessing what he meant. And being licensed vs not licensed is a big deal. Lots of girls (though not all of course) will be much more likely to go to a licensed agent. If not right away, then as soon as they figure out what the biz is all about.
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hoochimama Deactivated User
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Posted - Jul 14 2013 : 1:50PM
Yeah but I'm thinking it's mostly "unlicensed agents" picking up newbies off the street to throw them at the wolves for a quick buck, knowing full well the girls won't do porn again after that. ________________________________________________ Please ID these girls from PlayboyTV's Foursome show Edited by - hoochimama on 7/14/2013 4:24:44 PM
^ you guessed right, of course if such a thing could be doneSomething like that, of course in potentially controversial scenes only Edited by - LCF on 7/14/2013 2:01:54 PM
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hoochimama Deactivated User
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Posted - Jul 14 2013 : 2:26PM
In those cases where they have a license I agree they can be sued for betraying their clients' best interest given the track record you say these sites have of making girls quit the biz, although I doubt any freshly meatholed newbie has the resources to sue. But even without agents couldn't those sites still manage to find newbies on their own? I don't think it's so much that newbies don't have any idea what they're in for, vets who are fully aware still go in and come out screaming and shouting. It's that from what I've read/heard(I could be utterly wrong as I don't watch this stuff) they tiptoe on what's considered consent: from what some pornstars say about their experiences, they may have been in shock during the shoot, not in a mental state capable of giving what we'd consider consent anymore when they decide to keep shooting after first stopping.I think that's unrealistic, you can't plan every detail in advance and you can't know how a girl is going to react to something until she tries it, even on kink.com(whom i believe has also had girls coming out kicking and screaming). ________________________________________________ Please ID these girls from PlayboyTV's Foursome show Edited by - hoochimama on 7/14/2013 2:36:06 PM
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Posted - Jul 14 2013 : 2:51PM
Consensual notwithstanding, filming a scene this exteme for public consumption rather than something private between the participants was irresponsible. That's my opinion.
I'm not even talking about law, I'm talking common sense. At least one retard watched this scene and probably thought it would be cool to reenact with their non-consenting partner. Edited by - todd gack on 7/14/2013 4:48:02 PM
Well I remember a scene described somewhere here on ADT (this is not the first thread on this matter)not sure if it was FA though , a girl at her first scene was "interviewed" to put her at ease, she said she was very afraid about her family and especially her father whose respect was important for her. You know what? the guy in there mentioned her family and her father for the whole scene and especially after a facial , look at you a freak, a complete slut , with your face full of cum what if you're father could see you? what would he think? could he even recognize his pretty little girl under so much cum? that was final The girl couldn't bear any more stood up and escaped crying. I said maybe not all lines but you show her what are you going to tell her and if she says this NO , that'll be so NO! Alex Divine complained for a Donkey Punch scene , according to her she said to them she had been hurt in the head and asked them not to touch her in the point she was hurt, instead they not only hit exactly that point but they did violently and multiple times the scene was extremely painful , can't remember if Alex could finish the scene , maybe not. As for Kink , as far as I know there's a safe word , you say that the scene will stop immediately, it happens even in Live shows they just interrupt at once All customers know it may happen Edited by - LCF on 7/14/2013 5:10:02 PM
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Posted - Jul 14 2013 : 8:29PM
^^ I see. You are said retard. Thank you for your honesty, sir. Edited by - todd gack on 7/14/2013 8:33:55 PM
I've not even seen that scene. But you should accept that your common sense is not the my common sense or the common sense of other people. It's just another term to apply to what is not of our taste. You are a retard too for those who don't share your tastes. And you're on a board discussing porn, so it's a bit funny to see someone who want to be a censor, here.
whatever point you want it to be. i just find it interesting how she calls meatholes criminals but they have never been charged with a crime(and the site is sill up..no Max Hardcore FBI forfeiture page)and she calls them rapist but you can't rape the willing. Also i find it interesting that she has never shot with either of them but condemns them. As rough as Facial Abuse and Meatholes are I've never seen them do stuff like Nacho did to her. So i find it that dichotomy interesting. Oh yeah she says she doesn't support criminals but she didn't have a problem working with Nacho..who was arrested in a Chinese Mafia racket....
I'm in the filthy flicks! I'm a porn star. I'm a sex machine. I'm a dirty fuck. 48 Posts 4/11
Posted - Jul 15 2013 : 1:33PM
Todd Gack and anyone else who's name calling can get the fuck off my thread. If you don't I'm shutting it down. Please behavior like men and treat each other nicely when talking about me.
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goodguyny Deactivated User
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Posted - Jul 16 2013 : 10:16PM
And believing a woman will always love a large penis is great porn? Come on.
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Todd Gack Deactivated User
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Posted - Jul 16 2013 : 11:21PM
^ if you even bothered to read this thread you would know it has nothing to do with penis size.
The guy is obsessed with large dicks. See his other posts.
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hoochimama Deactivated User
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Posted - Jul 17 2013 : 7:40AM
I actually mentioned people being afraid of "monkey-see monkey-do" retards earlier in this thread: https://forum.adultdvdtalk.com/nacho-vidal-has-gone-too-far/reply/2500581. I think it's a bullshit argument though: - There are people who jump out of a 10th floor window because they saw a superman cartoon, it's not the artist's responsibility to make his work of fiction retard-proof. Porn is already adults-only. - AFAIK there is no correlation between people who watch violent porn and people who commit violent sex crimes, in fact I'd wager the relationship is the opposite and that sexual assaulters watch less porn and masturbate less than the average man. - I think the far more likely danger from making such scenes is to the performers themselves rather than some random victim of a monkey-see monkey-do boogeyman. There is a distressingly large segment of the population who has a hard time separating a work of fiction from reality. They have trouble separating the actors from the characters they portray, particularly when it comes to gonzo pornstars where the lines that separate the actor/person from the pornstar persona are often blurred, we see it happening all the time even on this board. In fact in this very thread the OP believed what he saw was real and verbally attacked Nacho by accusing him of being a rapist. What if Nacho's next door neighbor thought the same and went for a more physical approach?Kumbaya ________________________________________________ Please ID these girls from PlayboyTV's Foursome show Edited by - hoochimama on 7/17/2013 9:34:55 AM
My recollection is that Krys had already worked for Facial Abuse prior to coming to Los Angeles. I believe she enjoyed the shoot with me and there were no problems during the scene or afterwards. In fairness, my POV shoots are comparatively tame, and deliberately so. There was nothing she couldn't handle and she out-potty-mouthed me several times.
Mr. Iron, you must really get off on how "fans" in here kiss your behind. Wow, you are a "porn star" who has had sex with many women. Therefore you must be protected from contradiction and held superior. To me you, you are a misogynist. All men who have sex for money are misogynist. You do nothing to help women, clearly emotionally and or physically disturbed. Instead you have sex with them because they are "whores". But at a high percentage there are women in porn with clear emotional problems. Of course this must be ignored because there are millions of dollars at stake. Congress will not intervene only if there is another outbreak and hundreds of new "whores" are forced to travel to LA to have sex for money. So you are happy because you get to have sex with a brand new mentally disturbed woman! The "fans" here are happy because they get to jerk off to Iron having sex with a new "whore" and she is loving it. Killbill get's to dislike members of this forum for contradicting his porn world and that of male's he finds envious like Iron. Well, to live my life envious isn't living at all. I may not have a large penis by porn's definition but I kneel to no man. And I fight for those without voices such as the hundreds of women too emotionally and physically broken to simply leave an unhealthy situation like porn.
Why has every post you've made so far mentioned the size of penises? How are you so sure that so many women in porn are mentally/emotionally disturbed/broken? If porn is so unhealthy, what are you doing on a porn forum? Why bring my name up? What do I have to with any of this? I'm not a porn performer. I enjoy porn, but so do the thousands upon thousands of others who post here. What's your specific beef with me?
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Posted - Jul 23 2013 : 4:16AM
You are anonymous therefore you have no name. Your twitter and other internet traffic indicates this is your world. If invited to hang with your favorite porn "whore" or envious man, you have jumped at the opportunity. What does this say about your world, Killbill? I own up to my dirt, insecurities, and problems. I don't drown myself in the wine of porn stars unlike many here. Bro, if you have the chance to comment on this forum, so should I. I should not be denied this because you don't agree in what I have to say. I live in America! Many things people say everyday that I do not agree with however I deal with it and never take that person's right away. ___________________________________To establish a clear point of thought. I am not yet finished establishing these thoughts. It's odd you and men like you, jump for joy when you see a male penis in porn movies yet you question my motives? I have read your threads, etc. You are envious of porn males and what they do to "whores".I do not pretend the porn industry is a healthy and wonderful place to be unlike you and many you find envious. I have read enough articles and seen many video clips of the dangers of porn and it's emotional and physical damages caused onto many of its victims- the "whores" you have proclaimed who "love it". If you have a question with this disprove that many women do not have emotional and physical damages due to performing sex acts for money.If I posted on imdb.com, my words will not reach the appropriate audience. (Notice how I haven't attacked you or called you an insult?)Scroll up. Tell us about your personal life? Are you married? If so, do you have child(ren)? What is your profession? Or would you rather continue being invisible online.... If you "love porn" in your words, why so secretive. I doubt you are a cop or government official of some kind. If you are an everyday guy, share with your online family.
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Posted - Jul 11 2013 : 2:35PM
