They include:

A) Antisocial
B) TErrible at Sex
C) Nerd
D) Potential Rapist
E) Misogynist

I just don't see how being a single man in any capacity is seen as a good thing by society. Just because Tiger Woods and George Clooney are somewhat mainstream celebrities doesn't mean at least 1/2 half of society does not have a disdain for single men and those who associate with them.

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I think the types you mentioned, are all apt to turn to porn because of their particular problem.

A) The Anti-social: Cannot/will not form meaningful relationships and cannot exist peacefully with other humans in the outside world. Uses porn as a masturbatory aid during solo sex.

B) Terrible at Sex: Used to be ME! Guess where I learned how to give a great blowjob? From porn. People that know they're not so great in the sack turn to books and to porn (the visual demonstration) for help, misguided though it may sometimes be.

C) Nerd: Yep. Nerds sometimes watch porn, just like anybody else. I speak from experience, nerd that I am (I went to band camp!)

D) Potential Rapist: I'm assuming you mean the characterization that if a sexually-frustrated man didn't have porn for an outlet, he'd become a rapist. That's the misconception people have about rape, not about porn.

E) Misogynist: Particularly with the type of porn that's most prevalent and popular today, there's lots of porn for misogynists to like. I just wish more misogynists would sit home and beat off to porn, rather than form abusive relationships and beat their girlfriends, wives and daughters.

I spent 7 years working in video stores, all of which had rather expansive porn sections. When I have some more time to post, I'll profile some of my customers. They fit many of the stereotypes.

Edited by - Pagoda on 11/30/2005 5:41:16 PM

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Fuck NO. Evil is evil and it must be attacked. Don't get me wrong, people who share these beliefs are not neccessarily evil people but they have possess ideas that in some ways contribute to the degradation of certain people that I find unjust.

Just sitting back and saying that is the way it is will NEVER be my attitude. Others can do that if they want but occassionally I am going to speak up on it.

I am not just going to speak up on it. I promise I will find other ways of experssing my disdain for it and better yet find images that challenge these harmful and unjust perceptions.

I see too many people in the porn industry and fans alike who are so non-chaulant about poisnous perceptions that effect them and performers. I just don't see to many people who ready to engage the negative smack written about them in writings or on television.

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I am sorry but the shit has gone on too long and we need more people to start confronting the negative bullshit aimed at us as fans and as performers. Yes stereotypes at times have a kernel of truth but are usually completely false and ignorant opinions. Why should we accept them rather than confront them.

We need activism. I am waiting for the patriot of lust who is willing to challenge what the secular and religious activist say about lust outside the context of love and all art that supports that idea.

I don't see it. I see most people on this board willing to take anything their oppponents dish out. As if words mean nothing. Well they do mean somethign and it is about time people like me take them personal.

Am I angry yes. Am I justified in being angry fuck yeah. And people on this board should not only be angry they should show it.

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But seriously, with the ammount of money going around in the sex-industry, the mentioned stereotypes would have to hold true for the mayority of the western male population (unless you believe only few people are responsible for sustaining the pornindustry all over the globe. - Sorry, I'm not that rich).

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There's no point in doing it here at ADT--I'd be preaching to the choir.

Edited by - Pagoda on 11/30/2005 6:46:39 PM

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I'm going to assume you want to change the stereotype. So let me borrow a chapter from other groups with negative steretoypes: The best way to counter a stereotype is to come out to other people as a member of that group and act against type (this is assuming that you don't fit the stereotype). If people are remotely open-minded, their perceptions change based on personal experience. If they're not, nothing you can say or do will change it. There will always be people like that. You want to identify people who are open-minded and flexible and demonstrate how reality is different from their preconceived notions.

Go ahead and try it. It's never easy but I can tell you it does work. Not overnight and not for everyone, but you'd be surprised on the impact over time.

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Angry posts complaining on message boards do nothing. If you're so fired up about this "issue" then pull your fist out and be that "patriot of lust", whatever that's supposed to mean.

Don't talk about it, do it! Do it!

"Waiting" is weak. No fist.

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That shit simply didn't exist 10 years ago.. something really fucked up must have happened in American society. Ah well, I'm sure at some point the Feds will come in and close it all down...

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Most recently she's been featured in Newsweek magazine and The Wall Street Journal. She just completed [ invalid url ] and she's currently working on The Smart Girl's Guide to Porn .

If you're serious about doing something she's a powerful ally.

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Edited by - TonyC on 11/30/2005 7:20:15 PM

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Because we were located outside the gate near the Special Forces compound, a quarter of our customers were Green Berets. They rented a lot of porn (except Mr P, but I found out later that he just rented his porn elsewhere because he had a crush on me and didn't want me to think he was a pervert), and they were constantly late returning it because they deployed a lot. Green Berets are like rock stars to single women in an Army community. They have their own groupies. Shit, I was one. They're confident men with laid-back, easygoing personalities (they get stereotyped with gung-ho Marines and Rangers), fierce intelligence, rebellious natures, open minds and soft hearts. They're the coolest, nicest, smartest, fittest and sexiest group of individuals I've ever come across. They have zero trouble getting laid, and they all watch porn. Of course, porn has always been consumed by military personnel. I find it amazing that the neo-puritans want to take away a long-standing, traditional vice of the soldier/sailor/airman/marine that helps them secure their economic superiority.

Anyway, I worked there during the first Gulf war, and holy crap we rented out a lot of porn during that time. We also rented a ton of extra players and patch cables. Women were copying and sending porn to their husbands under the guise of "baby's first birthday" home videos. Some Army wives had genuine cottage industries going, shipping contraband, pirated porn to Saudi Arabia for their sex-deprived men.

So there's two types of porn consumers. Soldiers and soldiers' wives. And just because you don't see the wife, doesn't mean the porn isn't for her. She just sends the man to get it because she's too mortified to go herself.

Then we had the locals that lived in the slum apartments and trailers around us. They were all races and degrees of attractiveness. Not a single one of them ever gave me the creeps, and I worked alone at night there. Sure they were mostly drug dealers, gangsters and pimps, but they weren't rapists. Rapists don't ask the clerk how her weekend was, and say please and thank you to her when renting their porn. In fact, the only stalker I ever had while I was there--the only guy that ever followed me home, threatened me, and tried to attack me in the parking lot--was a medic at the Army hospital. And he never rented a single porno movie. The resident pimp (picture Huggybear--he actually dressed like that) who always had one or two teenage crack addicts on his arm never rented porn. He only rented westerns.

Of course we employees rented more porn than anybody. We got it for free! That was back when I watched all-girl porn exclusively, which because that was back when there was not a single good-looking man in straight porn. At the store we had 1 single guy (who was dating my sister), 1 married woman in her late 30's, one divorced single mom in her 40's, and me, the hot 21-year-old single girl. We all took home free porn, frequently.

The one porn-renter I'll never forget was a gal named Michelle. She had cerebral palsy and was confined to a wheelchair. She'd roll in and usually rent porn. She had great trouble speaking but I could usually understand her. This was a woman that didn't have many opportunities to have sex. Whenever I did see her with a man, he was usually exploiting her severe disability, taking her money and treating her like crap. Porn was a major sexual outlet for her at times when she was single. She couldn't reach the higher shelves, so I'd usually go back in the porn room with her and help her shop. I'd spend an hour in there with her while she perused the covers. After a while I finally created a small section just for her, with the type of stuff I knew she liked, on some lower shelves, easy for her to reach. That way she could shop with some privacy.

At my other store, which was in a better neighborhood with more wealthy clients (like Yanni and Linda Evans), we had all kinds of porn renters too. We had a handful of couples that were unashamed of their rentals, and would joke about the wild night they planned to have when they got home. We had 2 lesbian couples that always rented male gay porn. I wish I'd asked them why, but I was too professional at the time. We had single guys rent, too.

There was only one man that fit the stereotype. He was a nice enough man, but he was a slob. He always smelled, his clothes were always stained, he never shaved, bathed or brushed his teeth, and he was always waiting for me to unlock the store every Tuesday morning to get all the new porn releases. He wasn't mentally ill--we were 1/4 mile from the state mental hospital, and I dealt with the insane every day--he was just a pathetic slob. But again, he's the ONLY porn buyer I've EVER come across in all my years purveying porn that fit the stereotype.

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Having ventured into the proverbial woods myself so recently, I think I can be a fresh guide to those newborn babes. This is something that I have to do now and with as little outside influence as possible in order to present it with any degree of innocence. And that's my target audience: innocents. I'm writing all the content myself, with an aim toward easing newbies into porn viewership. I have a few questions about 2257 stuff, image rights, and the pitfalls of running an adult oriented site. I'm certain Violet could help me with that stuff. She'd be a great interview subject as well, as would the founder of Eve's Garden. My audience is the woman that was me two years ago, and is still me sometimes now. The one who's literally shocked and embarrassed by watching attractive people fucking on her TV. I want to help those women while I still find it somewhat shocking and embarrassing.

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When our second film Xana and Dax: When Opposites Attract was released, Violet called it one of the best adult films ever. With in a few weeks, X&D had sold as many copies as M&J sold in it's first year.

In no small part, the strength of Violet's support allowed us to elavate our production standards. Before Violet singled us out we were shooting MiniDV; now we're shooting Super16 and mastering in HD. We use every trick in the book to save money by doing it ourselves, but if it comes from yellow box from Rochester it costs money, money that has to come from moving units. And with Violet on our side we're been able to the move units neccesary to pay for filmstock and lab bills, and still keep a roof over our heads!

Again, I would urge you to reach out to her. If anything the fact that you're speaking to different markets (though not as different as you might think!) even easier for your efforts to have a synergistic effect. Although her writing education work keeps her on a punishing schedule, I'm sure she'd love to hear from a fellow porn patriot !

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Edited by - TonyC on 11/30/2005 8:41:51 PM

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"The time has come for someone to put his foot down....and that foot is me."

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I'm 3 out of 5 (A, B and C).

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If something is wrong thant attack it. That is my philosophyh. If that is preaching then I will preach till the day I die.

Will I change the world by myself. We as fans need to change it together we must unite and fight as a team. If we all have this mentality that "I can't change the world therefore, I will lie down and accept the perception aimed at me." We will never change the world. Will this perception change within a year nope? That is not the point of activism.

Actvism's main point is to confront evil ideas with the goal of eradicating it within decades maybe even within a century. But lying down and saying, "I can't change the world of corrupt ideas, therefore, I will just ignore and keep quiet about them will change nothing FOREVER! If black revolutionaries had the mentality that "preaching" to the world won't do anything, trust me blacks would still be behind the bus.

What I am hearing from many is that we are monetarily succesful and we don't need to do jack. That is sad and disappointing underestimation of forces that are intent of destroying your industry and the cultrure you reflect.

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Partially, correct I want to assist in changing the sterotype. I am not Moses or Malcom X. My point is that porn fans need to do something to change it rather than ignoring it is a problem and it is wrong. Frankly, telling one person who is bold enought to complain rightly about it, is preaching tells me how we have conditioned our minds to take any negative perception aimed at us.

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And from the activists that I have studied very few can have a "be happy" approach to EVIl. Malcom X, Black Panthers, and even Ghandi harshly pointed out the evils done to their people. THis was done by writing and it much if it was done in anger.

Edited by - Huggins293 on 12/1/2005 8:57:03 AM

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Many people watch porn but a lot of them don't admit it. Why? If porn is so acceptable why do we have to be so careful who we admit this too. Unless you are Howard STern on most jobs mentioning you watch porn without going into the explicit details of each scene can get you in troulbe.

If porn watching is so acceptbable, I would not feel the need to hide my porn from my parents particularly my Mother. Trust me if she sawn the covers of what I watched, she will react very negatively. She may probably assume I have some deep seated hatred for women. A facial to many women and men doesn't reflect eccentuating a women's sexuality, it refelcts a contempt for women on some deep seated level.

Porn watching may be popupular but admitting to certain people will get you scorn or the assumption there is something wrong with you. I wish this were true but the fact remains that many women and men hide the fact that they are porn perfomers because they think their parents will be disappointed and even disown them. Many men and even women hide the fact that they watch porn because they are afriad people will think they are sluts who fuck everyone that moves or people who have a deep seated contempt for especially women on a romantic or in general.

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The company which produced that crap might even get an AVN award for it. Some retarded reviewer at an online store gives the product five virtual stars and writes "great stuff!" What do we think of him?
At the AVN awards the producer will shake hands and exchange fake smiles with many known and not so known folks posting right here at ADT. It's business after all, you have success putting out such bullshit equals you do right and well -- no further justification necessary.

Am I a religious activist because I tell you to fuck off with this sick shit? Nah, it must be something different don't you think?
How come I enjoy sex and luv to share that enjoyment with others but still think people who want to watch this girl break down are losers full of shit?
How come I think the producers shaking hands with these male freak performers are full of shit too?

Is a glamourus porn movie like Pirates! really what stirs up all the hate? Maybe for your grandma but certainly not for society in general. So what is it that is wrong here? Once you found out you can start your operation.

Huggins293, I think you are searching for answers looking at the wrong people. It's not fanatically religious activists, politicans or old fashioned people responsible for the contempt you might experience in some circles of society as a pornfan or even as a porntalent. It is stuff like that which makes you wish morons and other wretched failures would not be allowed to buy a camera and destroy what should be the most fun thing in the world: FUCKING!

Edited by - X-RAY on 12/1/2005 9:28:47 AM

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You imply that the vile porn that you described is the reason why secular and religous people are after the porn industry as a whole. X-Ray hostility toward porn has existed in the 70s even more so due to the ever more legal hostility. People just find the basics in porn just simply fucking revolting visually and more importantly legally/morally. People find blow jobs and facials degrading and most importantly a sign of hatred and cotnempt of particularly womeon on some level. Therefore, they don't need to view or hear that type of vile porn you described in order to have outright contempt for the ideas and images that our industry generally presents. Vivid, JKP, Wicked and even our more hardcore genres like diabolic, Devils films in my mind defy the type of scenario you described in porn. At least the first three are mainstream porn companies.

Correct me if I am wrong but isn't Utah a state that bans all forms of explcit material?

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Secondly, the notion that grandma is generally the porn hater is false. There are young men and women of a secular and religous background that find porn morally detestable and that includes shit like even playboy and especially means shit that JKP and Vivid produce.

Perhaps most people on ADT don't share my sentiment because most of their peers and parents think porn is a good thing or their parents casually disagree. In the real world that is not the case.

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If porn was so acceptable why is the mere mentioning of porn in many professions a legal defintion of sexual harrassment. I mean dude you can say, "I love watching porn" and if a woman finds porn revolting she can accuse you of creating a unfriendly environment. The mere showing of adult covers that are not even explicit or even show nudity can be legally constructed as creating a "hostile" environment. I know this because I work in such a profession.

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Preachers that are from jewish, christian, muslim and other eastern relgiions, find porn morally revolting and preach serious hostilty toward ALL pornography and inherently degrading to especially women. Yet, porn is fucking acceptably by society. Our religious instituions dominant the moral attitudes of our society if they render it negative and most of America is religous, how can we deny the still dominant negative attitude toward all porn in society.

So X-Ray I am afraid that our religous leaders and many secular groups equally as well share a contempt to any form of porn especially when it celebrates lust outside a romantic relationship. I hear this constantly in their sexual tirades on the pulpit. Porn in general promotes that idea.

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Go get out your favorite porn DVD and put in the player during primetime

Turn the sound off.

While the DVD is playing, switch back and forth between the DVD and whatever is on your local ABC affiliate.

Try to imagine you're someone who "doesn't get" porn. Does the polish of what's on the DVD come anywhere close to what you see on the TV?

As has been already said, it's vicious circle. Pornographer can't make the kind of money networks and movie studios can make. Without that kind of money, we can't make shows that are anywhere the quality of productions that is expected from any other form of entertainment. Without that level of quality, we depend on the titilation of sex. Titilation become trasgression, and transgression moves from playful to poisonous.

And as the barriers to entry fall to almost, it's easier and easier for a Grip Johnson or similar to eek out living a few hundred DVDs at a time. The $1000 video camera, and $.45/copy DVD replication create a nitch that doesn't require skill or experience or a love of sex to exploit; only the willingness to be the most offensive kid on the block.

Do the 1500 or so copies of MILF Meat or Donkey Punch that Grip is going to sell define the industry? Of course not. A lot more people are going to hear about Pirates, and it's going to make a hell of a lot more money. But MILF Punch and the rest of the industry that relies on pure shock to sell will get attention that is hugely disproportionate to the effort it took to make them, or the financial rewards they garner. In the minds of many, Pirates, and all the respectablity it's enjoying right now, looks like an aberation.

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From a the last note Violet sent me:

"Blogger is being pissy about my comment, but I love it. Porn for
Lovers... it's just lovely. Plus it's a positive statement. Keep the
word 'couples' out of it -- not everyone fucking to your films will be
in a couple anyway. Couples is a bad word to use in conjunction with
porn; it raises too many anxieties,

Violet does have an edge, and she's not afraid to say "this sucks" when she thinks something sucks, especially if she thinks it's dishonest too. That's made her a few enemies, but her fans are legion.

Try giving her another read, with the presumption that she very much wants you to watch good porn and have great orgasms. I think you'll have a change of heart!

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There's a difference between the public and private realm. People in the political world don't talk about the private realm except in the most vague, PC of terms because they seek to avoid controversy. That's political survival. So what they do in their private life and what they'll admit to doesn't necessarily correlate to what they think, and what they think or do doesn't necessarily correlate to how they'll vote. Plus, politics is historically more conservative in ideals and values than in general society.

That said, porn is not mainstreamed yet. It's under the umbrella of sex and American society is still too repressed to bbe comfortable having it out in the open. But you won't get a slap in the face if you ask your SO if she'd like to see a porn. You got teenagers who will wear little playboy bunnies on all their clothes and call themselves pornstahs when they're all hoochied up going to the clubs. People know a couple pornstars as household names. All that wasn't acceptable a generation ago.

Progress is incremental. Surveys have it that the vast majority of Americans have seen porn at some point in their lives. So I really don't think they think of themselves, their buddies, their gf they talked into watching a porn with them etc. as some trolls in a basement for watching it. But if you're a serious porn fan, well then yeah they'll probably think you're a little weird. It's like it's acceptable to like the Lord of the Ring movies, but it's weird to be able to be too knowledgeable or god forbid go to conventions and try to talk to the stars etc. So in that respect, "normality" or "acceptability" might be seen as a matter of degree when it comes to porn.

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So as long as someone fits in your narrow view of what should be acceptable, it is okay, but if they don't, even if they are pro-adult films, they are wrong?

Your crusade is going to go well.

I suggest finding and joining forces with Arthur as his crusade needs some help too.

No politician is ever going to talk about Gangbang Girl anything. Nor will they talk about Deep Throat anything. Then again, I don't see them talking about Pulp Fiction or Batman either. Maybe you should include them.

I'm sorry but I'm never going to walk around work talking about Shoot Cum in Her Eye 42, why, it isn't appropriate. Adult films will probably always stay an underground enjoyment. Because it isn't appropriate for the work place, children's story hour, PBS, etc.

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Let's say you were gay and I am a homophobe. YOu got some gay porn in your locker at work and accidentally you left beside your locker with your name. The porn cover and back have no nudity. Guess what I can have your ass fired. Now tell me why our legal system has gone to that extreme. Please.

Huggins, I want to know who has criticized/stereotyped you. Have you personally been persecuted for your porn viewership? Exactly what happened?

Porn is a private pursuit. Now with the internet, one selects it, views it and interacts with it in private. Porn is readily available, including the type that you personally like to watch. You are not barred access to it. There is no reason at all to publicize the fact that you enjoy porn. None. If you choose to do so, you may be confronted with stereotypes. That is a risk you take.

You want to know what stereotypes affect me in my daily life?

1) I'm a woman, so I don't know shit about cars and therefore deserve to be ripped off by mechanics and car dealers. Total bullshit.

2) I'm a mother, so I should be completely selfless. Total bullshit.

3) I'm a mother, so I'm a shitty employee, not worth promoting. Total bullshit.

4) I'm a woman, so when I complain about something important, my complaint's not valid--I must have PMS. Total bullshit.

5) I'm a woman, so when I'm decicive in the corporate world, I'm a bitch, not a leader. Total bullshit.

6) I take anti-depressants, so I must be a flake. Total bullshit.

I've got bigger stereotypes in my life to contend with on a daily basis than any that might pertain to my porn viewership. I loudly fight for myself every single day, combatting misconceptions and refusing to be subject to social stigma. I have chosen to go public with my porn viewership because it has enhanced my life and I think discussing it with other women might enhance theirs. I have been stigmatized for it--yes. I combat the stigma with humor and gentle education, and I only engage in that battle with people that actually matter to me. Porn's a good thing in my life. I enjoy it. I can't be bothered with those that refuse to give it a chance. It's their loss, not mine.

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