First Huggins, you need to find your center. You come across a little confused and upset maybe due to your problems at work. Maybe you need some punching bag right now or just take some time off these forums and do something else, I bet when you come back you might reevaluate some things. So let the anti-porners be anti-porners till they drop and have some fun watching porn or even better go fuck for real it's healthy .
"Manifesto for Intelligent Porn Fans"? The quotes of these freaks are as deterrent as the enthusiastic reception of jamesn post.
yes a strong analogy but do you really mean it? or are you just the type of guy who likes to have a go at easy targets whenever you think your rear is covered.
Give me a break but he is not the problem you might want to fight. There are others which INDEED carry some responsibility for the current state of gonzo porn. Why not tell them to fuck off? I mean it. Go in the news section and tell them to fuck off and I will support you. But bashing a guy who just lost his job like that is just not right. There is a nice saying. the wise discuss ideas, the normal discuss events, the ignorant discuss other's.
i thought i showed remarkable restraint, fuck that he was driving me bananas for 80 posts previously and he wasn't even close to saying something inspirational like dr. king and he didn't seem to hit that plymouth rock was going to land on him . which sucks, it was funny when it happened to that coyote if a bit simple. if i could break into his motor-vehicle and fill the volume of the interior with healthy adult opossums i would. , you can think whatever you want about the rest of the stuff but he's delusional. he'll probably have beheaded his mom's canasta partner for politely-requesting he not speak with such enthusiasm about how he saw a girl suck a dick with her own shit on it before i make it to that black thing in the desert where the honor-killings go down to celebrate the combustion-engine's invention. i think, not sure.
they just wanted to eat their finger-sandwiches without dicks and shit and how it's perfectly normal to be enthusiastic about something that pamela peaks is intricately-involved in.
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Posted - Dec 4 2005 : 8:50AM
Everything goes in cycles, Porn was more corrupt so to say and underground in the 70's and 80's. Drugs were a big thing too as part of it and the money being made by the studios and performers was nothing like now. Along came a petitesexy blonde who was dancing at Crazy Horse Too in Vegas and made her way to L.A. and got into the adult biz. Jenna Jameson of course is who I mean as you all figured that out. She became the IT girl for the industry and it was then when the contract girls way of Vivid and Wicked started mid 90's. Porn became a business and you had a name to associate it with, Jenna and Ron Jermey. Now with that being mainstreamed you end up having people who see a pic of Jenna and think "This chick does porn? I gotta check this out" and so be the casual fan is exposed. And this is the trend for 10 years now that has made Porn so popular. Now the gov't is starting to go after the business in a certain way. Guys like Max Hardcore they go after because for example here, and please do not jump all over me here as this is only my personal view, his stuff is not tasteful. In my eyes. A guy like Michael Ninn produces tasteful and artistic porn where you get to see Jenna Haze masterbating but it looks sexy for example. But then you get raunchy porn that the average North American will say is what represents porn and why it is degrading. The Bukkake, 50 Guy Cream Pie, all these gonzo anal movies. Now I am more into the features, Vivid and Wicked make thier girls look appealing and sexy. Not trashy and nasty. Not that it is bad for a woman to be that way because she has every right. So now features are becoming less popular and gonzo type movies are all the rage. So now we are rewinding back to the 80's when Reagan went after the industry. So Bush is going the same route. Canada's relaxed censorship laws will start churning again when Steven Harper becomes out Prime Minister because of his Christian beliefs. Aka Bush. Now what is different is many porn fans are not embarrassed to admit they are fans because it has become mainstream. The ignorant people who worry all about what Cinderella Snapperhead living next door to them will think of him, she is hot too let's add, because he watches porn are the ones to be voicing thier disdain towards it. So comes in the stereotyping. I shrug it all off. Because we are all human and porn is also another form of artwork on film. That is it. No one is forced into it and they make a decent living doing it. Sexis a part of life but in our society violence is acceptable and sex is all taboo. We would rather be desensitized to violence and make like sex does not exist. Will change soon again. Slowly but surely North America will be less repressed. I still think Ward Clever picked up hookers on his way home from work to get a BJ. There is no way Mrs Clever was giving him anything.
Jamesn: I think you are referring to Lord Asmus, a huge fan of A GOOD SOURCE OF IRON from Germany. That's actually a tattoo on his penis, not a burst vein. Hey, I am a huge porn fan myself, but I draw the line at permanent body modifications.
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Posted - Dec 4 2005 : 10:54PM
I can't help but ask dude...but what is the motive for all these antagonist emails about porn dude?
We seem to have a pretty stitched group & established porn afficiendos here...yet you continue to bring up all the "haters" of the industry?
Not saying you don't have the right...but don't you ever talk about anything else?
You're going to have people who have very "liberal" (not politically) beliefs, but those who are very open-minded to stuff like porn. Then, you're going to have the crowd who wants EVERYTHING, EVERYONE & EVERYWHERE to be uniform.
Personally, the latter I have disdain for, since it would ruin my taste for everything that once had individuality, but is now so "same", much like the shopping districts in any city over 30,000 people these days.
i generally think you've got a good gig brandon---but that deeply troubled me for a while and made me kiss my desk upon entrance to my soul-killing job in an office building. the captions added to the horror. who does that? does that happen often? is it specific to germany like hasslehoff?
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Then are those closed-minds that associate such tame nudity as Playboy with "porn" as well, and don't want to see anyone showing skin above the knees, either. Sickening, if you ask me.
It doesn't have to be on video to be considered porn, unfortunately. But you can't tell that to the AFA, Christian Coalition, or other such "family protection" groups.
Lettuce'll re'jawz'n da Lawd now...ugh!
Eric
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Posted - Dec 4 2005 : 11:25PM
I think a good lawyer could challenge that as "unlawful termination" if you ask me. Especially if it's done on your own time, and not for a comflicting company (ie - Pepsi guy moonlighting for Coca-Cola).
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Posted - Dec 5 2005 : 12:07PM
Huggins293 wrote: If I were known as a porn distributor or known for taking pictures with porn stars, I could get fired. Even if I said nothing about it in work. That is wrong. I am certain I would get fired for being a pornstar even if I were in disguise(but had my real idenity revealed).
Now that makes no sense whatsover. I have a photo album of poloriad pics from the 90's when I worked as a DJ at a strip club here where the Porn Stars back then came by as feature dancers. 18 porn stars to be exact. I have brought the album by work to various places i worked at since then to show people who wanted to see them. And actually dusted it off and brought it into where i currently work and showed it to my boss who wanted to see it. So everyone knows me as the "Porn King" where I work. And we got women and men working there. Even my other manager, a woman, says to me last week "So you are going to have some pictures to show us all from your Vegas trip right??" and she had a sly grin on her face and then said "Remember, what happens in Vegas..stays in Vegas so be good if not then be careful". She knows why I am heading to Vegas. First thing she asked was "Will you meet Jenna Jameson down there?" And even if these people were not like this. They cannot fire me or you or anyone else just because you got you pic with porn stars etc. What you do outside of work is your own business and not your employer's. No different than when I had a part time job on top of my full time job. I never did tell or have to tell them shit about it. Hell when I was a DJ at strip clubs for 9 years in the 90's, I was working also at a supermarket on nights. When it was leaked that I DJ, everyone said "Must like your 2nd job huh?, the view must be a sight for sore eyes"
Edited by - JennaRulez2006 on 12/5/2005 12:11:04 PM
You can't be a manager at Wal-Mart and show portfollios of strippers without being reprimanded. Their harrassment policy is very clear. If you talked about this shit outside of work that may be one thing. But even during your lunch break, busting out photos of strippers around someone who finds it offensive will get you in trouble if they tell the store manager.
Eric, if people in the industry are complaining about the threats of censhorship and more regulation. Do you just think this sentiment is comming from a few white men in ties in Washington. People got serious problems with Bush porn policy because they interpret as indirect means of censorship.
Actually, there are still people who get arrested for producing porn. Case in point in Florida. Hopefully it is an abberration. But if you think our culture is all embracing of porn and all embracing of free expression of porn, you are sadly mistaken.
The motive is that these people exist and threaten our industry as a culture. Simply ignoring their attacks waged upon the industry won't make them go away and in fact completely blowing them off may reverse the free expression privilges we have.
Trust me dude, there are some states that still ban watching porn and there are other states who find other ways to make sure adult shops don't get built.
AT some Wal-Marts, they can and will if they follow a strict interpreation of the sexual harrasment policy and image code. Trust me if I started to talk about porn stars on break and some dude find porn offensive, he could go to my supervisor. And they would probably give me a talking. That is why no male/female manager with any sense brings penthouse magazine for their friends to see. Penthouse magazine doesn't show nudity on its cover. But merely exposing showing the nudity and explicit sex to your buddies who dig that shit, can piss off a lot of people who find it gross. YOU can definitely get written up doing that at my store.
I don't really need to show penthouse at mey workplace but I am just informing you that the rules regarding explcit material in the workplace various. Sure on many construction sites you can show porn, because the dudes on the site dig it.
Dude if you show a porn mag, during break time at work and someone else finds that shit untasteful. They will tell the supervisor and you will be getting a talk too. If you keep the shit up you will be fired. That is under the hostile working environment clause at Wal-Mart and probably other big time companies.
When you are in some workplaces, you represent the company whether you are on the clock or not. It is not that I need to show the shit, I am just showing you how offended people are of porn. If it was not that offensive it would be tolerated in these workplaces, don't you think?
guys...just out of curiosity...WHY would you want to bring up porn at work?!?!?!?! just like being gay, or straight, or your sexual deviancy :) or what acts you prefer...are none of your workmates business...so is whether you like porn!!! I don't think sex is something to be displayed to everyone...sure i know some people who are into it...so i will talk in detail to them about porn...i know some who are indifferent but dont ever watch it so i would never go into details about it...just like I would not expect my christian friends to talk at length to me about god or jesus, or whatever else...just like i wouldn't expect a muslim friend to try and convert me....i do not shove porn down peoples throats who do not like it...what is wrong with that!!
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Posted - Dec 5 2005 : 4:22PM
Obviously you do not stand there and say "hey look at this" if in a conversation like it has with me, someone mentions about the strip club down the street from us and I say "Ya I used to be a DJ there years back" and then the conversation flows. I mention that back in the 90's the weekly feature dancer would be a XXX Star and then questions ensue and I I say I got a photo album with a polorid of me and each star. Also you work with people you know what they think. My 3 managers are quite cool. One who is the Ass't Mgr I worked with 16 years ago when I got into this business in another company. The other Ass't Mgr is a young guy in his late 20's and I have gone for drinks with him numerous times. My Manager she is easy going, and she knows why I am going to Vegas as she was told and she laughed and said it should make the Vegas experience even more fun and worthwhile. None of our conversations at work are in detail of porn, just talk about who is who nowadays, how the studios work etc. Nothing about what scenes and stuff. Mind you I am Unionized so that makes it a bit better. Wal-Mart they treat thier employees unfairly. As long as you are not being deatil about something sexual and showing all like a seminar "Here are my pics" nothing can be done technically. I just use common sense. Mid you where i work, the crew of people I work with, we are all pigs.
lol that was mostly aimed at huggins who was asking why he couldnt show pics of himself with strippers! obviously we should all just compromise and treat each other with respect for our preferences etc...and I am glad you work with a bunch of pigs! that sounds like fun! I don't so although it's less fun, i respect that they don't want to hear about these things...except one person...but there's always one!!
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Posted - Dec 5 2005 : 4:50PM
I work in retail and what is funny is me and a couple of co-workers were chatting away while we worked and we were talking about hot female celebs and I said Jenna Jameson, and a customer says "Sorry to bud in here but you got good taste, Jenna is a the hot blonde babe in my books..have a great day guys" LOL Was quite funny. I definitely respect my co-workers and don't say things i know they will get all bent about. But the shift I work, the crew of people i work with..ya we are pigs for sure. And add in 2 of our managers, they are the same. But as everyone at work knows me as is the "Porn King" All I get now is "You better come back from Vegas with a pic of you and Jenna, don't let us down ok?"
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Posted - Dec 5 2005 : 4:55PM
WOW, a manager at a nationwide (worldwide?) retailer that doesn't (or didn't for the longest time) sell CD's that contained profanity or the "Mature" rating to them? Hmmm...
Yes, I agree that showing ANYTHING to anyone on a jobsite that they might consider offensive is against MOST company's policies. However, to reprimand an employee for the simple act of associating yourself with the adult industry, or anyone in that industry...that's against the law.
As a matter of fact, alot of the "cons" to the porn industry appear to be Bible-thumper who feel that the adult world (and many other "offensive" industries / hobbies that people enjoy) can NOT co-mingle with their following, and therefore distance themselves from it as far as they can. That's fine, just don't take that right from everyone else.
Much alike the argument about what we listen to on the radio...if you don't like it, turn it the fuck off...don't feel compelled to take that right away from others who do enjoy it. As for "the children", be a responsible parent and keep them away from it, rather than "ridding society" of it.
For some reason, I don't think it's against the law in FL to produce porn. I could be wrong, but a fair makeup of the East Coast adult industry thrives here. States like Arkansas, however...that's different. I know you can't distribute porn in that state.
The problem with "our culture" is that people can't mind their own business, and take responsibility for their own lives. They need to "clean up society" from such "dangers" as porn.
Thankfully, the Constitution still protects crappy lil' local laws from generalizations. Much like the industry I work for (the railroad), many lil' local laws don't mean a damn thing...thankfully.
Shit, I love using quotes, lol... ~E
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Posted - Dec 5 2005 : 5:09PM
And thus are the protections of the Freedom of Speech, Higgins, my man. You can talk about going to AEE next month, but perhaps you might not be able to discuss certain "obscenities" that might have happened there.
I gather you work @ Wally-world, somewhere deep down SOUTH, right? I'll delve no further into your petty existance...If you don't know your rights as an employee, oh well. Par for course about the intelligence level of those that work there. Next time you're having an intelligent discussion about porn with someone @ work, and someone has a problem with the topic at hand...tell them to mind their own business.
The simple discussion of porn, just because ever-so conservative Wally-World doesn't approve of it, doesn't make it "obscene". On the contrary, when "some dude" finds your discussion of porn offensive, the next time he starts talking about "goin' to church", tell him to refrain from his topic, or YOU'LL blow him in.
Porn is no more offensive to me than organized religion. I fondly recall a recent discussion elsewhere, brought upon by a young man (my age, from the Midwest) who cited a remark on the Tyson Food's webpage about "bringing their people into faith". Personally, if I were questioned/reprimanded about my "faith" on the job, I'd sue the bastards for discrimination based on religion.
Sure, the construction guys might dig it at the worksite...but what happens if the (conservative female?) office manager comes out to give one of "the guys" a message, and she spots the Penthouse, Hustler, etc? Use common sense, man!
Boy, am I winded...time for a nap.
Eric
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Posted - Dec 5 2005 : 5:16PM
Please, before you go quoting me here...read what you wrote...then read WHAT I was replying to.
You can NOT be fired for associating with something perfectly legal (ie: porn) outside of duty hours at your job. If you believe otherwise, talk to an FELA lawyer.
I could walk into Target...shout "I LOVE PORN" at the top of my lungs, offending every nearby redneck within 100 yards. Guess what?...as long as I'm not on duty at Walmart (which is likely across the street in today's retail world), there's not a GODDAM thing they (Walmart, as my supposed employer) can do about it! :)
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Posted - Dec 5 2005 : 6:22PM
Perfectly explained and said Eric, good stuff. Too many people today want to be nosey and pry into others personal lives and then make judgement. I always tell em to mind thier own friggin business and that if they have a problem with it too bad, it is my life. With an employer like Wally Mart, they intimidate thier employees and are ones to talk about discriminating and shit. Canning an employee because he may work as a bartender at a strip club on his off days from working at Wally Mart is BS and nothing can be done about it. Doesn't interfere with your scheduled hours there so fuck em. Ignorance is where employers gain thier upperhand and momentum to intimidate employees. Always know your rights. You ain't a prisoner so do not let them treat you that way.
Dude you may be able to slip by with being a bouncer at a strip club but if you are a stripper and a salaried memeber of managment, trust me they will tell you to quit your night job or get fired. It is not just Wal-mart it is probably most retail in general.Sorry dude just like I am not winnning any points convincing dudes this is a big issue, you are not going to win a court case for being fired for showing explicit material during break 4 times when repeatedly told not to by management. You are not going to win a court case if they fire you for being in a porn video with Victoria givens because you won a fan contest. If people see your ass on the video, you are fired, regardless if it is free. Trust me. It is easy to prove a hostile working environment. Wallymart has that as a policy and it would be brutally hard for a lawyer to consider it unconstituional. Be glad you can work at a place were you can just talk about your favorite pornstars. Many work places are not like that.
That is like saying you can not be fired for beating an employer up in the parking lot. They will and have found ways. Wal-Mart has on the application the following "We have the right to terminate you for any reason" One Wal-Mart can use personality conflict as grounds for termination without even explaining it to you. As a matter of fact, I know a dude who was talked to by management for a comment he said at a club to another Wal-mart employee. The rest of America is not Calfiornia.
There have been cases where someone has been terminated for being involved in S and M activities outside of work. I find S and M fucking weird, but I don't think it is grounds for termination.
I would also like to mention that salaried employees represent Wal-mart whether they are scheled or not. As a salaried manager, I talk about how much I love porn in front of all of my associates, my ass is getting a talking to in the office.
BTW, it is probably an abberation but I think a guy got 100 plus years in Florida for making amatuer porn.
Okay bud, try to be a school teacher or even professor while it is known that you were in Creampies 7. There was a case of a dude getting fired for something simple like this. I hate for it to be true but it is. They won't hire you and if they find out that you were in it, they were fire you if stating that you are not upholding the schools image of conduct.
It is well known in the adult industry that you are blocked from certain jobs if you are a popular stripper or much more porn star.
Unfortunately bud, that is just lip service. STern is symbolic casualty. It was more than the FCC who did in STern. Common people who hate STern for his porn philsophy have been waiting to cap him for years.
I guess you find it funny that a professor could be fired from many colleges for being a stripper. Trust me even if the guidlines don't say it, they will find ways.
On many porn boards there is talk about the change of these protections being threatned. There court cases of obscentity that merely involve penthouse right NOW!Yean and that dude is going straight to the store manager. If you have had this conversation around 3 people who find it distasteful. He or she is going to tell you from refrain from talking about it. I don't need to talk about porn in work, I am just showing you an example where porn is outright restricted in expression.
I agree you'r an idiot if you goin into details but even talking about porn without the detials can get you in trouble. I had a dude with explicit sex writings that were not out for the world to see get a talking to by the store manager. She confiscated his writings.
Who said anyting about talking about porn in detail What I am telling you is that if someone caught you reading a penthouse at work on break with you holdin the magazine upright and the cover page with a full clothed women exposed, the person offended will straight to the supervisor. Simple.
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Posted - Dec 6 2005 : 6:11PM
Yes, but any company who terminates you, must have a valid reason to do so, unless it was stated in the guidelines of temporary employ which you "may have" hired under. It's quite different where if a company does not HIRE you, they do not need to give a reason.
Since you're such an expert on the matter, whip open the labor books & prove me wrong. Trust me, I've been through alot more in the "employer -v- employee dept." than you've dreamt of. I'm also in an industry where contracts get violated all the time.
Nowhere is what I said anything like the spatter which you barfed up below. "Beating up an employer in the parking lot" is considered assault, and therefore punishable by civil & criminal penalties, aside of likely getting shit-canned at your job.
As long as the S&M didn't involve rape, torture or other illegal activities, there is nothing that can be done to that employee outside of his job. If you know someone who has been fired, and hasn't taken civil action against their employer for privacy violation laws - then f'n shame on them. A company CAN fire you if you're involved in ANY felonious activity inside/outside of the job...BDSM hardly qualifies. If you think so, go sit in the corner and continue to yank your crank a little bit longer please.
This is starting to sound more like a labor law class...further proving that Huggins just spouts off about useless shit that doesn't concern these boards, without any backing to what he's saying other than "Dat's what my boff @ work daaaa...dat's wat he saysd!".
Calfiornia, eh? (must be how Arnold spells it?)Funny,...I'm not from there either, I live in PA. Must be part of those lax Southern labor agreements that your hillbillies put up with those kind of work rules.
If you talk about porn during your off-duty hours, there is nothing that Walmart can do....PERIOD! I could run around with Gia Jordan's (sorry hun) panties strapped to my head, sniffing the crouch outside the front door @ Wally-World...there is nothing my employer can do. They can "give ya'll a'talk'n to" until your face is blue. However, what you put up with is on your own ass. YOU, my friend, need to stand your ground. Like I said, discussing porn at the workplace is no different (or more offensive) then talking about "who all was at chu'ch this past Sunday", AFAIC.
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Posted - Dec 6 2005 : 6:19PM
Oh yeah, my company gives me that line of shit when they pay for the hotel they force me to stay in (when I'm only 50 miles from home). They say, "Ya'll can't go in the hotel bar & drink while you're off duty". I "represent" them...bullshit. I don't represent ANYONE unless I'm getting paid cash-money, by-the-hour, for it. I'd also like to see them drag my ass out or prove me otherwise. :)
Case in point, just shut your flap about stuff that could be considered "offensive" to others on the job. At the same time, stand your ground when someone brings up their hobby publicly, and let them know how offensive IT is to you (regardless how much it is, only just to make a point). Then make damn sure that the boss doesn't discipline you any worse than the guy who had a so-called "normal" hobby. That is what we call a "lawsuit"...
Porn is my religion...and the way industry girls scream "Oh God, fuck me", it must be some of theirs as well! :)
Christ, I'm longwinded... Eric
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Posted - Dec 6 2005 : 6:29PM
You obviously have NO idea what the labor laws entail, or what the hell you're talking about, Huggies.
So, in the meantime, I'll just sit here & watch your ever-so-knowledgable cranial sector explode about the great unknown....and laugh like hell, b/c you're too ignorant to talk to about the matter. This will be tough, because I know there are least 3 other replies to this stupid topic that I'm going to want to reply to...alas, I won't. Instead, I'll bite my tongue. Shucks!
If your dumbass co-worker even BROUGHT such material into the store, that's his/her own fault. They're pretty slow not to differentiate between "do" and "don't".
BTW, Walmart is scum dude. No wonder they are so hated by small, conservative towns in New England. Not only do they destroy business, but they instill the ignorance which you've led this entire thread by, trying to show some sort of godly intelligence which you don't possess.
The labor law entails mean shit in reality when you incorporate a morals clause that forbids you to even be pictured nude. Actually, there was a police officer who got fired for appearing in playboy. IT is called the "morals" clause in a contract of work. So instead of insulting me, maybe you should read a little bit.
Yeah, I guess that show on Oprah were a couple who worked for the hospital and got fired for having pornographic vidoes of themselves fucking did not happen!
Thank you very much for your respect and truly listening. Huggins
If you are smart, which apparently you are probably not, you would listen. It is very easty to put that in a clause in any companies policy. ACtually dude a couple of manager trainees were demoted for doing stupid stuff you think you are entitled to do when they were at a meeting. But since you think you are smarter than the company go ahead and try to be a lawyer defending it.
Oh Eric, what makes you think it is wise to bring this shit to work. Jennarulze2006 told me that it was okay to talk about pornstars at work. I told him that were I worked it was pretty dangerous. Yet you assume I think it is wise for someone to bring creampies to work.
Why is Wal-mart scum? I'll see your ass over on the next thread explaingin your great knowledge about WAl-Mart. You're the same clown telling me that you can be a known stripper at work and work for Wal-Mart. Your insults are really impressive.
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Posted - Dec 7 2005 : 10:40AM
off topic for a few words...Wal-Mart is scum. They pay all thier employees crap, minimal wage increases, hire illegal immigrants for cleaning and then lay blame on the company they contracted out to do the cleaning, intimidate the employees, use employee ignorance to screw with them, fire people who want to start a union or intimidate them when they want to organize the union for the store. If they get Unionized like 2 stores in Canada had, they decide to close the stores so that the Union is out. These corporate greedy pricks will shut down other businesses and that way they can keep thier wages low...it is bringing down the wages in the retail industry because of all this. If they would pay thier employees full and part time, a decent wage then everything would be ok, but come on you cannot say they pay anyone other than thier managers, decent. Get a 2nd job while working there to supplement your income, they will then conflict your schedules so you gotta pick one part time job over the other. Seen it with many people here in Canada.
You obviously don't fucking read. And for the record I certainly do know what I am talking. Explain to me why this officer was fired for doing a activity outside of work and why he lost the lawsuit you are so certain he would win. You assured us by your legal knowledge that no employer can fire you for your extracurricular activies without a lawsuit and the defendant winning the laws suit. Explain to me how I found this article within a matter of minutes:
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The city of San Diego (City), a petitioner here, terminated a police officer, respondent, for selling videotapes he made and for related activity. The tapes showed the respondent engaging in sexually explicit acts. Respondent brought suit alleging, among other things, that the termination violated his First and Fourteenth Amendment rights to freedom of speech. The United States District Court for the Southern District of California granted summary judgment to the City. The Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit reversed.
The petition for a writ of certiorari is granted, and the judgment of the Court of Appeals is reversed.
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Respondent John Roe, a San Diego police officer, made a video showing himself stripping off a police uniform and masturbating. He sold the video on the adults-only section of eBay, the popular online auction site. His user name was "Codestud3@aol.com," a word play on a high priority police radio call. 356 F. 3d 1108, 1110 (CA9 2004). The uniform apparently was not the specific uniform worn by the San Diego police, but it was clearly identifiable as a police uniform. Roe also sold custom videos, as well as police equipment, including official uniforms of the San Diego Police Department (SDPD), and various other items such as men's underwear. Roe's eBay user profile identified him as employed in the field of law enforcement.
Roe's supervisor, a police sergeant, discovered Roe's activities when, while on eBay, he came across an official SDPD police uniform for sale offered by an individual with the username "Codestud3@aol.com." He searched for other items Codestud3 offered and discovered listings for Roe's videos depicting the objectionable material. Recognizing Roe's picture, the sergeant printed images of certain of Roe's offerings and shared them with others in Roe's chain of command, including a police captain. The captain notified theSDPD's internal affairs department, which began an inve stigation. In response to a request by an undercover officer, Roe produced a custom video. It showed Roe, again in police uniform, issuing a traffic citation but revoking it after undoing the uniform and masturbating.
The investigation revealed that Roe's conduct violated specific SDPD policies, including conduct unbecoming of an officer, outside employment, and immoral conduct. When confronted, Roe admitted to selling the videos and police paraphernalia. The SDPD ordered Roe to "cease displaying, manufacturing, distributing or selling any sexually explicit materials or engaging in any similar behaviors, via the internet, U. S. Mail, commercial vendors or distributors, or any other medium available to the public." 356 F. 3d, at 1111 (internal quotation marks omitted). Although Roe removed some of the items he had offered for sale, he did not change his seller's profile, which described the first two videos he had produced and listed their prices as well as the prices for custom videos. After discovering Roe's failure to follow its orders, the SDPD--citing Roe for the added violation of disobedience of lawful orders--began termination proceedings. The proceedings resulted in Roe's dismissal from the police force.
Roe brought suit in the District Court pursuant to Rev. Stat. §1979, 42 U. S. C. §1983, alleging that the employment termination violated his First Amendment right to free speech. In granting summary judgment to the City, the District Court decided that Roe had not demonstrated that selling official police uniforms and producing, marketing, and selling sexually explicit videos for profit qualified as expression relating to a matter of "public concern" under this Court's decision in Connick v. Myers, 461 U. S. 138 (1983).
In reversing, the Court of Appeals held Roe's conduct fell within the protected category of citizen commentary on matters of public concern. Central to the Court of Appeals' conclusion was that Roe's expression was not an internal workplace grievance, took place while he was off-duty and away from his employer's premises, and was unrelated to his employment. 356 F. 3d, at 1110, 1113-1114.
II
A government employee does not relinquish all First Amendment rights otherwise enjoyed by citizens just by reason of his or her employment. See, e.g., Keyishian v. Board of Regents of Univ. of State of N. Y., 385 U. S. 589, 605-606 (1967). On the other hand, a governmental employer may impose certain restraints on the speech of its employees, restraints that would be unconstitutional if applied to the general public. The Court has recognized the right of employees to speak on matters of public concern, typically matters concerning government policies that are of interest to the public at large, a subject on which public employees are uniquely qualified to comment. See Connick, supra; Pickering v. Board of Ed. of Township High School Dist. 205, Will Cty., 391 U. S. 563 (1968). Outside of this category, the Court has held that when government employees speak or write on their own time on topics unrelated to their employment, the speech can have First Amendment protection, absent some governmental justification "far stronger than mere speculation" in regulating it. United States v. Treasury Employees, 513 U. S. 454, 465, 475 (1995) (NTEU). We have little difficulty in concluding that the City was not barred from terminating Roe under either line of cases.
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Read carefully and weep. A woman got fired as a police officer for appearing in playboy, yet your telling me that you have to be fool to believe you can be fired for being a pornstar and working at any public institution. whatever mensan whaterver.
