Simon Wolf is still around, I'm afraid. They are being distributed by Pure Play Media.

Jewel (Denyle, I assume you mean) is still around as well, of course, but ... she's no longer around ADT. Her account was deactivated a few weeks ago.

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As I said a couple of times in earlier posts, it was Jewel who rejuvenated my interest in straight porn again. Looking back, It has been great to know that four years after that, I found myself posting at the same forum as she did.

''The unexamined life is not worth living''

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JJ

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Free Jewel!

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hmmmm

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''The unexamined life is not worth living''

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I understand you guys don't want to give someone special privileges just because she is a famous star, so I won't complain too much about this ban -- and it does align quite well with the general ADT deactivation policy (like it or not). Still, I sincerely hope this ban won't last forever. After all, 99% of her posts have been perfectly nice. And we all get a bit passionate at times, don't we?

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Remember that people who get deactivated at ADT almost never get deactivated for a single incident (obvious spamming or trolling being the exception)--and remember also that not all incidents happen in the forum (they can happen in an exchange of emails).

That said, the only people who can deactivate someone are Steph and Drew (and Saki). No other moderators can make that decision. My understanding from Steph's explanation is that Jewel was deactivated as much because she didn't show any signs of caring that she was being rude, as much as for the act of being rude itself. I expect Jewel can probably come back if she wanted to, but she has not shown any sign that she wants to.

We don't make special exceptions for stars because they're stars, especially those who aren't willing to respect our community and our rules. If they're nasty to people over a period of time and show no signs that they don't intend to behave any differently in the future, that's that. It's no different for anyone else.

Honestly, I don't know the whole story, but that is what I do know. I'm sorry that a facet of the industry has repeatedly chosen not to respect ADTs rules of etiquette, but my understanding is that it was more her choice than ours.

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Edited by - Asmodeus on 3/7/2005 7:30:20 PM

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PXP does great work, and Jewel left quite a legacy in a short period of time. Not having her here may be a loss in some ways, but I'm sure her fans will have many other opportunities to kiss more than a mouthful of ass.

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Tough choice. Obey your principles or go easy on an industry person? Honestly, I had definitely noticed Jewel becoming more caustic lately and I was surprised, but the thought "she should be deactivated" never crossed my mind...mabye that's just because I knew she was Jewel Freakin' De'Nyle.

I'll miss reading her opinions and I'd welcome her back.

This sucks all around.

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I've always thought you guys are way too quick to lock threads that wander off the original subject and onto something much more interesting. And I wish you'd permit more no-holds-barred intercourse, instead of banning folks like Jewel. She's opinionated, smart, and brash, and surely an asset to these message boards.

It's no wonder others poke fun of mild-mannered ADT: XXXPornTalk thread

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It must be frustrating for her to defend her opinion and not getting the respect she should have received.

She was correct about Teagan you don't really hear about her that much and she was right about a bunch of other stuff too.

My 2cents bring her back she is JEWEL

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i say - FREE JEWEL.

and jewel if u read this - we still love u and i'd love to be your bitch

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It did seem to me that she was given a lot of lattitude because of who she was, but I guess the mods eventually decided they couldn't tolerate her disruption of shiny-happy-porno-people land.

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You really have to make a choice about ADT here: do you want a bunch of fanboys to politely discuss happenings in pornland (about which they know nothing), with a few P.R. shills tossing in manufactured tidbits from time to time, or do you want industry players to freely give their opinions (as freely as they dare anyway) and let readers sort out the good, the bad & the ugly?

You can't control people's honest opinions, only whether they get to state them, and whether the ADT members get to read them. If they can't state them then we can't read them, and it's pretty clear who loses in the end.

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Well put. No one person is bigger than ADT. Fantastic, but the place sure seems smaller without Jewel. At least we still have those people shilling for Britney Rears.

ADT, not porn, is now the news. Lukeisback has picked up the story.

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But then again, its not my forum either.

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The problem for me is that it cuts right to the heart of why porn forums exist and why people participate on them. Consider Jenna's comment:

The more I think about this, the more it bugs me... Jewel is such a major facet in our industry, what she says has a lot of merit, and sheds light on what it's like being a female (part) owner of a company.

Jewel is one of very few people to post uncensored here with direct, first-hand experience in all aspects of the production side of the business. Yes, she is rude sometimes. Yes, a lot of her posts are pitching her product. But there is simply no way a thousand polite fanboys posts can make up for the loss of her perspective. Politeness and good manors are not a substitute for substantive content, as annoying as the wording may be.

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But's that's all moot anyway , this is a business and from the looks of it a pretty successful one . Just try typing "XXX porn talk" in google and see what results you get - even with their own words in the search JM productions aren't exactly streaking ahead .

Jewel can always go post over there of course , as can any industry person . Why do you think she hasn't ?

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My personal take is that ADT is a very friendly place without by any means thwarting creative discussions on controversial topics, thanks to the administrators and moderators choosing just the right level. Still, no matter what level you choose, sooner or later there will be incidents like this where there is a major disagreement as to a given decision. This is by no means a sign of weakness of the board. Quite the contrary, it's simply inevitable and happens on all large messageboards worth the name.

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All your waffle about the relative merits of different moderation policies is irrelevant when you start off by making an exception for Jewel. She consistantly sniped at people in various postings over a long period of time. By the typical moderation standards here, "just the right level" as you describe it, her banning was long overdue.

You evaded the very crux of the issue, which is that the most entertaining and informative posters are not always the most polite ones.

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Oh , and could someone please point me to the great insights and insider info that Jewel and other stars have posted . I must have missed all that . If you're just talking about gossip then check out the TonyT thread .

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What I'm doing is voicing my honest opinion. If it leads to my banning (as I suspect it well might), then people can draw their own conclusions from that.

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You still haven't explained what exactly you think could be added to this place by a new policy of "anything goes" . A quick look over at the hollow shell of XXXporntalk suggests not much .

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