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| Joel Member  331 Posts 5/05 |  Posted - Jul 7 2009 : 12:23AM...What is driving it? Obviously most people have heard that John Stagliano has been charged with obscenity violations and Max Hardcore is now doing time in jail - possibly getting his ass violated as severly as the girls in his movies - by his cell mates. A lot of people will mention what a creep he is... I agree - but a criminal? I am not so sure. It seems like they have specifically targeted Max Hardcore and Stagliano, and now after looking at all angles have found a few things to charge them with. Since then I have also heard nothing regarding mainstream porn and obsecenity violations. It's like we are children, and the state are out parents - supervising what we watch. If people want to watch stuff responsibly in their homes, why the fuck do they care? One of John's films menioned is Milk Nymphos... Having seen it I am not sure what makes this movie so much more "obscene" that countless other flicks out there...? What about Milk Junkies 1 & 2 - again by Jay Sin years earlier. Sineplex never got charged. Now is this because they were less explicit or a much smaller company... hmmm Also in one of Belladonna's flicks "My ass in haunted" the version in the UK had Katja's scene (with Jayno Oso?) cut because they used crucifix shaped dildos. I can understand this - it was clearly offensive to the heavily religious hardcore porn watching demographic!! UTTER UTTER bullshit. What do you think was the driving force behind the crackdown? I would think if you asked most people, they honestly wouldn't give a shit and think it's a waste of time of money. I would say it maybe the heabily religious - Christian evangelicals. Charge a few people with obscenity to try and garner a few more votes. It seems that it is a large demographic in USA and most of them seem so fucking stupid it's incredible... science doesn't exist to them! Edited by - joel on Jul 7 2009 [Link] |
| StrippedSS Member 85 Posts 4/09 | Posted - Jul 7 2009 : 1:14AM [Link] |
| RandomPrecision Senior Member Enjoy! 8175 Posts 3/06 | Posted - Jul 7 2009 : 1:20AM 1. If you give any government too much power, sooner or later, you won't be able to take a dump without having it analyzed and being charged with a real, honest to goodness crime if you ate something they don't want you eating. 2. Individual liberties are inherently at odds with the beliefs of people who believe you shouldn't be gay because a 2000 year old book says so. If you give those people their say in your life, they will have you on your hands and knees and you won't have the right to fart without asking permission. These are people who don't think. They look to musty old books and "ministers" to tell them what's right and wrong and if you fall into the "wrong" column, you're wrong and that's that. Not only are you wrong but you're evil. You can't reason with that. Unthinking obedience is their religion. They start on them as soon as they're old enough to talk. 3. If you ever give your neighbors the right to tell you what you can do in your own home, you are already screwed even if you don't know it yet. It's just a matter of time before they get around to fucking with you or your descendants. It seems like common sense. Nobody wants to hear their neighbor's music blasting at 3AM. Nobody wants to hear people fighting all the time. So little common sense things like that are the so-called thin edge of the wedge (Which is real and demonstrable, contrary to what they'd like you to believe). When will they be telling you what color your underwear must be? It can't be too long. Anyone who lives somewhere where a homeowner's association has gotten out of hand will have an intimate understanding of this point. 4. Sex is particularly vulnerable to stupid laws and regulations because it's such an emotional and controversial topic to a lot of people and has been hopelessly tangled up with religion and politics. If we open up the legal system to people who would regulate sex even more than it already is, we will soon find ourselves back in Victorian times. Or probably worse, if that's possible. Most people are just stupid. Everybody fucks but everybody thinks the way other people fuck is weird and probably wrong. We should never put consensual adult sex (Even if it's weird or tasteless) in front of a jury so they can call it criminal. It's crazy. This is asking for it. We let them manipulate the law into such a position that it could be used in this way and now they're doing it. And they're not just nibbling around the edges anymore when they go after Evil Angel. There may or may not be a respite during Obama's years. I don't know. But you can rest assured that it will resume whenever they get another sex nazi in the WH. It's a matter of time before we get someone who takes it as far as they can. I'm not really sure what kept Bush from going crazy with porn prosecutions (even more than he did) but the luck can't hold out forever. Edited by - randomprecision on 7/7/2009 1:28:05 AM Edited by - randomprecision on 7/7/2009 1:29:06 AM [Link] |
| RandomPrecision Senior Member Enjoy! 8175 Posts 3/06 | Posted - Jul 7 2009 : 1:25AM Edited by - randomprecision on 7/7/2009 1:26:09 AM [Link] |
| StrippedSS Member 85 Posts 4/09 | Posted - Jul 7 2009 : 1:44AM [Link] |
| RandomPrecision Senior Member Enjoy! 8175 Posts 3/06 | Posted - Jul 7 2009 : 1:52AM These laws are stupid and unconstitutional but it's just not possible to change them so all we can do is complain. Assuming you're a porn fan, it would be nice if you could at least show some solidarity with the rest of us. This is July 7. Stand up and stop embarrassing yourself. Edited by - randomprecision on 7/7/2009 1:58:08 AM [Link] |
BlackSix  All-Star Member pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07 | Posted - Jul 7 2009 : 3:11AM [Link] |
| Hardware All-Star Member Your other left 14595 Posts 3/02 | Posted - Jul 7 2009 : 3:12AM StrippedSS wrote: Hey, the law is the law and Max Hardcore broke it. Actually, the law is vague and unconstitutional. Since the law is supposed to allow for varying community standards of, erm, decency, one must ask whether a definition of obscenity had been affirmed by the community, so that MH could know in advance whether what he was selling was illegal in that jurisdiction. If not, then MH had no way of knowing that he was breaking the law. In point of fact, MH was prosecuted for the transportation of obscene material, which begs the question - How can you be prosecuted for transporting obscene material when it hasn't been defined as obscene yet? Unfortunately, nobody in politics is likely to blow up their career to defend the rights of pornographers. [Link] |
| Joel Member 331 Posts 5/05 | Posted - Jul 7 2009 : 3:16AM She wasn't 12, she was over 18 and it was never contested by the prosecution that she wasn't. It's high controversial because of child porn, pedephilia etc. but at the end of the day it was just a role play. Like I said in original post, he comes over an an extremely unpleasant sadistic fuck, but if you look at what he was actually jailed for it does seem ridiculous. [Link] |
| Joel Member 331 Posts 5/05 | Posted - Jul 7 2009 : 3:27AM The bible says all sorts of shit. Gay is mentioned all the time, not mentioned: -Sex with animals - you and animal should be executed -Sex with women on her period - you should both be executed -During period - woman secluded from human contact for at least a week Then Jesus with The Sermon on the Mount, where he says you should gouge your eye out and throw it away if you look at someone lustfully. Most evangelicals are reluctant to do this, but are happy to bang on about Gay people. [Link] |
| RandomPrecision Senior Member Enjoy! 8175 Posts 3/06 | Posted - Jul 7 2009 : 3:40AM [Link] |
| BlackSix All-Star Member pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07 | Posted - Jul 7 2009 : 3:43AM [Link] |
| RandomPrecision Senior Member Enjoy! 8175 Posts 3/06 | Posted - Jul 7 2009 : 3:46AM Edited by - randomprecision on 7/7/2009 3:47:24 AM [Link] |
| BlackSix All-Star Member pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07 | Posted - Jul 7 2009 : 3:53AM [Link] |
| prfb Member 165 Posts 6/05 | Posted - Jul 7 2009 : 5:06PM Unfortunately, it doesn't seem like anything will change very soon. The previous Neanderthal administration has embedded its many reactionary little minions deep within all branches of government -- particularly the Justice Department -- and our great "liberal" hero turns out to be a wishy-washy milktoast moderate who seems willing to sell out almost any principle in search of some illusory "compromise." The "law" on these topics are a deliberate muddle of vague contradictions -- some examples have been pointed out above. But I suspect the spastic convulsions of enforcement will continue, as a cheap sop to the bible beater brigades and a way for bright young future J. Edgar Crimestoppers to get their pictures on teevee. That whole "free speech" thing - very dangerous concept... [Link] |
| fu_q All-Star Member Marv Montag (@PornOfYore) 2506 Posts 2/09 | Posted - Jul 7 2009 : 11:05PM They were obscenity / obscenity-related convictions. In response to the poster who said that "the law is the law": one doesn't know that one has violated obscenity law until one is convicted. The standards employed--literally those of the community (unwritten)--are inherently vague...to the point where no one knows if they have produced something obscene until it is taken to completion in a trial. Further, those standards vary from community to community in the U.S., even though we are talking about federal laws. There is no clear definition of what is and isn't "obscene"--it depends on the particular segment of the population represented by the jury that you get. By all rights, obscenity laws should be declared unconstitutionally vague, though doing so now--with a conservative court--might lead to even worse problems. Edited by - fu_q on 7/7/2009 11:14:36 PM [Link] |
| christopher streams Member 419 Posts 2/04 | Posted - Jul 8 2009 : 12:54AM "FREEDOM ISN'T FREE" Edited by - christopher streams on 7/8/2009 1:00:01 AM [Link] |
| wcw43921 Senior Member Look Into My Eyes-- 1252 Posts 4/08 | Posted - Jul 8 2009 : 2:39AM I hope the Obama administration would leave the adult industry alone the same way the Clinton administration did--they may feel they have no choice in the prosecutions begun under Bush, but there may not be any new prosecutions brought against adult producers. I doubt the same could have been said if McCain had been elected. And I disagree as well that Max should be serving time for producing adult movies. Some call it a blow against obscenity--I say it's an abridgement of speech, and to hell with it. ________________________________________________________ "There can never be too many beautiful women Hypnotized for our pleasure." [Link] |
| RandomPrecision Senior Member Enjoy! 8175 Posts 3/06 | Posted - Jul 8 2009 : 3:21AM Edited by - randomprecision on 7/8/2009 3:25:21 AM [Link] |
| Mr. Sausage Deactivated User 330 Posts 11/06 | Posted - Jul 8 2009 : 3:35AM The government broke the laws. Max was taken across state lines for a charge in a state he didn't film in. Do some reasearch on the case and the laws and you will see this was a witch hunt just to lock him up. Just so they could do it to anyone else they felt like sending to prison. Another victim of a corrupt system.I will testify against him for you. His comment was nonsensical and he deserves jail for not thinking. [Link] |
| realtip Deactivated User 2301 Posts 6/04 | Posted - Jul 8 2009 : 8:36AM Besides, I'm not sure what private citizens who are also porn consumers are supposed to do when even people in the industry aren't willing to do anything? If pornographers are willing to just roll over and give in to intimidation and scare tactics, then isn't it hypocritical for pornographers to say that the rest of us should be doing something? Despite the fact that many may consider it a frivolous issue, as a private citizen who enjoys porn, I'm more than willing to do what may be necessary to help restrict these types of prosecutions and attacks on pornography. But if people in the industry are content to just say, "Fuck it. We're making money anyway. So let's just do as we're told, and not rock the boat," then what are the rest of us supposed to say? As an example, even though I was a kid in elementary school at the time, I remember the whole obsecenity controversy with the rap group, 2 Live Crew, being in the news. One of their albums was declared "obscene" and members of the group were arrested, along with music sellers who sold the album. The difference was that, in their case, they were acquitted of the charges. However, imagine if other rappers, singers, and entertainers had all said, "Hey, 2 Live Crew is in trouble for obscenity. Let's all stop cussing and talking about sex from now on so the same thing won't happen to the rest of us." Instead, the group and others within the industry fought against it and won. If they hadn't, music today might be alot more boring to listen to. That's exactly what has happened to porn: Trying to avoid pushing the envelope to stay on the "safe" side has done nothing but make for a bland and boring product. [Link] |
| prfb Member 165 Posts 6/05 | Posted - Jul 8 2009 : 11:52AM Underneath it all, our popular culture in America has been undergoing a long revolution in sexual mores that hasn't finished yet -- and porn is located right at the event horizon. There are a significant number of Americans, in fact, trying hard to stuff the sex genie back into the bottle. They call themselves "culture warriors." (Which mentality used to be known as "the vice squad.") Self-righteous, energetic, and not really inhibited by much in the way of ethics or honesty, institutional "culture warriors" are not above venue-shopping (like the Max Hardcore and Extreme Associates cases) and taking advantage of the monumentally muddled confusion of current laws on the subject. When backed by the full force and resources of the taxpayers, these bible-beating yowsers are nothing to be trifled with. Against them are the businessmen of the adult industry. They're not in business to lose money, and they have a dilemma: they need to titillate the consumers as much as possible without risking THE LAW. Just going to court is a defeat for them; the government can't break their business even if the adult company "wins" the case! You might look for some free-speech activism among the artists in the adult industry, but I wouldn't hold your breath waiting for much activism from the businessmen. (Except maybe Larry Flynt, who may be a law unto himself...) [Link] |
| Rick James Jr Deactivated User 72 Posts 7/09 | Posted - Jul 8 2009 : 5:25PM [Link] |
| fu_q All-Star Member Marv Montag (@PornOfYore) 2506 Posts 2/09 | Posted - Jul 8 2009 : 10:17PM Further, the notion of "obscenity" in general is horribly antiquated and a shame to a modern, "free-thinking" society. They shouldn't be allowed to list what is or isn't "obscene" at all, but instead should not be allowed to try to control the thoughts / expression of consenting adults at all. [Link] |
| RandomPrecision Senior Member Enjoy! 8175 Posts 3/06 | Posted - Jul 9 2009 : 1:53AM What the Bush administration did was just dig it back up and get it moving again. As long as that's even possible, it'll keep happening. I'm thinking it may be that Dick Cheney was the only reason Bush didn't do more in the "obscenity" area. Cheney was obsessed with war, Iraq and propaganda so anything that got in the way of that was probably not high on his list of things to do. Bush was the kind of guy who would have probably been more inclined to listen to people like Pat Robertson if left to his own devices. Maybe in some fucked up way, the porn industry should be thankful for Cheney. [Link] |
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| Dave_K99 Member 497 Posts 12/07 | Posted - Jul 9 2009 : 4:41PM Distribution/publication of porn is banned in socialist Iceland, and they've recently made strip clubs illegal too. The Social Democrats and Leftist-Greens supported the ban, while Iceland's Conservative party were against it. In Ukraine you can now get 3 years in prison just for possessing a copy of Playboy. That total ban on porn possession (even banning smutty sketches) was enacted by the supposedly more liberal leadership that came in after Ukraine's Orange Revolution. In England and Wales possessing violent porn was banned by the Labour government (in addition to the obscenity laws used against porn producers), while Scotland may well pass a law that making bondage themed porn illegal too. There's a big lobby to extend the ban to all pornography, classifying it as hate speech against women. Again this is legislation primarily pushed by lobbyists on the left. I've always been a little dubious of written constitutions, but I think Americans are lucky to have the First Amendment. People may be able to erode it bit by bit, but it's unambiguous enough to make it difficult to completely piss all over freedom of expression. [Link] |
| Clam Digger Deactivated User Many a man fails as an original thinker simply because his memory is too good. 2268 Posts 1/05 | Posted - Jul 9 2009 : 7:58PM Someone far more astute than I once said, In America the rich are not allowed to steal, and the poor aren't allowed to fuck. [Link] |
| prfb Member 165 Posts 6/05 | Posted - Jul 10 2009 : 1:05AM Ray-gun and company (old Nixonians all) yearned to put the free-love, swinging 60's and 70's back in the bottle. So preparatory to passing the repressive and regressive laws they lusted for, they started commissioning studies on how porno was evil, wicked, mean and nasty and the direct cause of rabies, scabies, and ring around the collar. To their dismay, no reputable study showed any such thing. So Ed Meese and a hand-picked batch of other winger toadies wrote their own report, splendid in its ideological purity and undeterred by any dismal facts and science. In the midst of all this, Traci Lords hit the headlines, giving Meese, Raygun, and crew enough talking points that we still have not fully recovered. Today's porn may outdo the old stuff in technical perfection and sheer gross-out factor, but pre-Meese porn actually covered topics that today's makers wouldn't touch. A much more free and rebellious spirit, then. [Link] |
| BlackSix All-Star Member pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07 | Posted - Jul 10 2009 : 2:54AM Rob Black and Max Hardcore have explored most of the same extreme regions as the porn of the 70s (incest, golden showers, age-play, rape fantasies) but just in an inferior way. Plus vomit. Lots of vomit. [Link] |
| Shagdog Member Houston 626 Posts 1/07 | Posted - Jul 10 2009 : 5:44AM It wasn't against the law for him to do the things he did. (even in Florida) It wasn't against the law for him film it (even in Florida) It wasn't against the law for him or anyone else have those movies. (even in Florida) The only crime I see committed was what the government did to Max. I hate Max Hardcores stuff. But that's not the point. If they did that to Max you and me are next. [Link] |
| RandomPrecision Senior Member Enjoy! 8175 Posts 3/06 | Posted - Jul 10 2009 : 7:03AM [Link] |
| Rick James Jr Deactivated User 72 Posts 7/09 | Posted - Jul 10 2009 : 9:45AM Max and Stagliano recent troubles started in the Bush years. Extreme,Evil and Max were the big 3 in terms of pushing the envelope with xtra extreme porn on a mass market model. this is why i think staglianos prosecution will continue.I dont believe the porn industry will have any more aggressive legal persecution problems near term unless some studio wants to follow the path max, borden and John has? [Link] |
| RandomPrecision Senior Member Enjoy! 8175 Posts 3/06 | Posted - Jul 10 2009 : 9:51AM Edited by - randomprecision on 7/10/2009 9:54:22 AM [Link] |
| Shagdog Member Houston 626 Posts 1/07 | Posted - Jul 13 2009 : 7:10PM [Link] |
| Shagdog Member Houston 626 Posts 1/07 | Posted - Jul 13 2009 : 7:17PM You have no idea how Sotomayor will come down on porn. She has proven she doesn't support all of the bill of rights. Edited by - Shagdog on 7/13/2009 7:18:44 PM [Link] |
| prfb Member 165 Posts 6/05 | Posted - Jul 13 2009 : 10:54PM And I agree that Ms. Sotomayor is an unknown quantity - although she's at least not a PROVEN reactionary like one of the gang of 5 who elected Mr. Bush. Alito, Thomas and their fellow travellers would probably happily see "community standards" rolled back to at least the 17th century or so, where their minds would be more comfortable. I even agree that President Obama himself is still pretty much of an unknown factor. I don't expect him to spend much time on Culture War shit -- he's got a lot more important things going on -- but from what I've seen so far, I might expect him to let the still-Bushite-infested "Justice" Department roll on without any guidance or correction from above. Because if there's one thing President Obama HAS demonstrated, so far, it's that he's a master compromiser/politician/dissimulator. I can see him weighing the handful of re-election votes he'd get letting 'pornographers' skate against the millions of bible-beater votes he'd get if he showed some right-thinking, god-fearing, American decency and slammed a few of the more prominent sleaze-bags in jail. I think he's a past master at that sort of electoral math, and I don't much trust the result to be any sort of constitutional victory. [Link] |
| Clam Digger Deactivated User Many a man fails as an original thinker simply because his memory is too good. 2268 Posts 1/05 | Posted - Jul 14 2009 : 12:52AM Obama has a couple of very important issues to spend is on. Health care, the economy, Iraq, Afghanistan etc. I suspect that dealing with obscenity laws isn't in his top 20 on the todo list However by focusing on the real tough issues early on, and hopefully with some success, he will create more capital that can be used down the line. A criticism that I have heard regarding the Clinton administration, is that Clinton blew his wad (pre-Lewinsky) on fighting the "culture wars", and got beat winding up not having enough of that capital to get to important issues of the day, such as health care. [Link] |
| BlackSix All-Star Member pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07 | Posted - Jul 14 2009 : 3:43AM Here are some good articles on this, first about Obama's pick for Attorney General, Deputy Attorney Genraland Sotomayor. [Link] |
| RandomPrecision Senior Member Enjoy! 8175 Posts 3/06 | Posted - Jul 14 2009 : 6:31AM [Link] |
| prfb Member 165 Posts 6/05 | Posted - Jul 14 2009 : 11:40AM Which is by itself a loss (as someone pointed out upthread) because we are unlikely to get a more liberal administration/congress anytime soon. If this bunch can't straighten out the laws and constituional protections for porno, then the next set of numbnuts that get into office (think Sarah Palin and Mike Huckabee) can come right back in on day one and start jailing people all over again. This country can't decide if (culturally speaking) it wants to be secular Holland or a Christian Iran. [Link] |
| RandomPrecision Senior Member Enjoy! 8175 Posts 3/06 | Posted - Jul 14 2009 : 12:26PM I saw an interview he did on TV. I think it was with Oprah but maybe it was somebody else. They were talking about Viagra commercials or something and he made a comment to the effect that that stuff shouldn't be on TV. Of course, maybe he had a good point but he may have been revealing a little bit about how he felt about expressions of sexuality. [Link] |
| Clam Digger Deactivated User Many a man fails as an original thinker simply because his memory is too good. 2268 Posts 1/05 | Posted - Jul 14 2009 : 12:31PM Obama is not Moses, parting the Red Sea by way of personal fiat. To accomplish the big picture, he must be what every truly great leader needs to be, a negotiator. Politicians represent various constituencies, often with conflicting priorities. To find success they have to be able to merge competing interest into a common goal. We often project that our leaders should come into power, John Wayne style. A straight shooter, a right vs. wrong guy, a patriot, a man of honor. His way or the highway, while forgetting, outside in the real world, Wane was a draft dodger. That fantasy does not advance anything, and is often self defeating, as Bush's gut still echos. It's a give and take world where steps are taken one at a time. Edited by - Clam Digger on 7/14/2009 12:35:55 PM [Link] |
| mandymitchell Member 254 Posts 5/09 | Posted - Jul 14 2009 : 1:21PM Obscenity cases are pursued at the local level, by District Attorney's who are seeking to make a political career on family values in small conservative towns. The Evangelical right has a very strong political network that involves millions of people receiving newsletters asking for funding and letter writing campaigns, and politicians respond to that sort of thing. So every now and then an ambitious DA in a small town will decide to apply the community standards (meaning the vocal conservative Christian element of said community) and go after the porn industry. Obama could personally pardon whomever is convicted, but other than that I'm not sure what his administration could do. The Supreme court could rule obscenity laws as violations of the First Amendment, but as long as the law stays written as it is, anyone can apply their community's moral standards on obscenity. Fortunately, the evangelicals are losing. What was totally outrageous twenty years ago (like bondage and fucking, hard BDSM, ec...) has now become a part of millions of Americans normal sex life. The culture war is pretty much over, we won, and what we are seeing with the obscenity cases are the final shots being fired from a few remaining stragglers. Of course cataclysmic events could always trigger major changes, such as economic catastrophe or swine flu killing half the country, but as long as things stay somewhat stable the culture war has thoroughly been won. [Link] |
| realtip Deactivated User 2301 Posts 6/04 | Posted - Jul 14 2009 : 1:54PM Edited by - realtip on 7/14/2009 1:56:53 PM [Link] |
| Clam Digger Deactivated User Many a man fails as an original thinker simply because his memory is too good. 2268 Posts 1/05 | Posted - Jul 14 2009 : 6:27PM Obscenity issues, as they apply to porn, are not as important to the general population, as they are here on this forum. Your average American is much more concerned about their falling incomes, hanging on to their homes and being able to get affordable health care. [Link] |
| BlackSix All-Star Member pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07 | Posted - Jul 15 2009 : 12:33AM [Link] |
| Hardware All-Star Member Your other left 14595 Posts 3/02 | Posted - Jul 15 2009 : 3:02AM [Link] |
| RandomPrecision Senior Member Enjoy! 8175 Posts 3/06 | Posted - Jul 15 2009 : 8:48AM [Link] |
| duefuss Member Not a shred of evidence exists in favor of the idea that life is serious - Brendan Gill 723 Posts 4/09 | Posted - Jul 15 2009 : 9:57AM If everyone on this forum sat down and wrote their lawmakers, State and Federal, as well as the President, and objected to the waste of time, serious taxpayer dollars, and effort of prosecuting an industry that does no harm to others besides offending the sensibilities of a few vocal self appointed "moral guardians" who choose to be offended, it might be enough to shout down those who make a social issue out of what is a private matter, namely, what you and I watch and do in our own homes. Only a handful of moral watchdogs, dedicated to destroying what they don't like are usually responsible for bringing enough pressure on the legal system to do their bidding. The 18th Amendment, banning alcohol, was put in the Constitution by a relatively tiny but loud minority of temperance advocates, yet they succeeded it making a change that the entire country proved for 14 years it did not want. A few, making themselves heard, can end our freedom -- or preserve it. "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." Don't just complain on ADT; you're only preaching to the choir. Make yourselves heard by the same authorities that are hearing the opponents of porn. Edited by - duefuss on 7/15/2009 9:59:34 AM Edited by - duefuss on 7/15/2009 5:51:51 PM [Link] |
| realtip Deactivated User 2301 Posts 6/04 | Posted - Jul 16 2009 : 12:18AM [Link] |
| Tax Porn Now Deactivated User 6 Posts 7/09 | Posted - Jul 16 2009 : 1:26AM In any case. I'm for the government taxing your industry to the hilt. The same way they do with alcohol and cigarettes. I want to see your industry stripped of it's permanence in society. The same way it was France after they passed a 90% tax on Porn in 1999. I want to see your industry diminished in society to the point that if people want to pay to see pornstars promote extreme sodomy it will cost so much money it will not even be worth it. It will also give the government power to arrest producers and others for tax evasion when they cheat on thier porn taxes. I'm tired of knowing that our society has devolved into the point where your average 12 or 13 year old kid living in the suburb who wants to see hot naked girls for the first time can click on the "I am at least 18 years of age" button and watch Aurora Snow, or Taryn Thomas swallow 20 loads of cum while they pretend to enjoy it. Enough is enough. Yes. All your producers have a right to do what they want according to the first amendment of the U.S. Constitution. But there are limits. And I want to see them pushed back into the gutter where they belong. Not out in the open promoting this in the mainstream. We can do this by taxing your industry to the brink of obsolescence. Now let’s see how well you practice your own form of censorship by banning me from the forum. Hypocrites. [Link] |
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