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Den
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Posted - Dec 15 2005 : 3:12PM
She was so kind to share her thoughtful insights with me.

Check her out

Thanks Pagoda.

Den

Topic Moved by - steph on Dec 15 2005

Pagoda
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Posted - Dec 15 2005 : 3:15PM
D'oh! You didn't tell me you were going to announce it to the WORLD!
Pagoda
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Posted - Dec 15 2005 : 3:17PM
P.S. Den did tell me that he'd put this up on his site, but not that he'd announce it at ADT.

P.S.S. Thanks to DEN, who graciously gave me the contact info for Twisted Pink Entertainment, thus facilitating my coup of scoring an interview JULIAN, making me the most popular gal among all my girlfriends.

PL
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Posted - Dec 15 2005 : 3:25PM
Den is a good guy, I can attest to that

saratoga120
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Posted - Dec 15 2005 : 3:27PM
Boy did I learn alot from your thoughts.

It's rewarding to know that the extreme behavior we watch in porn can reach an equilibrium where both sides are getting off equally. Just a matter of nuance.

Great stuff.

 
Gentleman Jon All-Star Supporter
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Posted - Dec 15 2005 : 3:59PM
Bravo. I have a few different likes and dislikes than yours, Pagoda, but still, I agree with the gist of it. Bravo.
Redish All-Star Supporter
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Long and Cursive road to the Ivory Pagoda in the province of Loraine
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Posted - Dec 15 2005 : 4:03PM
Who's Pagoda?

Is she new or something?

Pagoda
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Posted - Dec 15 2005 : 4:07PM
Mr. Redish, this is all your fault. You're the one that told me to speak my mind.
astroknight All-Star Supporter
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Tastes so good...
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Posted - Dec 15 2005 : 4:43PM
VERY nice, and yet another reminder of why Pagoda is one of those people whose posts I look for and who I'm hoping sticks around Adult DVD Talk for a long time.

"Vegetarianism for me is about saying ‘yes’ to things - even meat." - Coupling

infimum
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Posted - Dec 15 2005 : 5:11PM
There are some women who have no gag reflex and can deep throat really well. Even toady BJ is still about finesse, skill, subtlety, and more. BJ fans are really particular and care about the quality of BJ movies. And there are some good BJ movies out there. Check them out!

Edited by - infimum on 12/15/2005 5:12:59 PM

Pagoda
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Posted - Dec 15 2005 : 5:26PM
Please, give me recs! And please, read my three as-yet-published reviews. I give props to every girl that possesses accomplished oral prowess. I admire any woman that can swallow a cock like it's second nature. She's truly exceptional. What I dislike is seeing women with no particular deep-throating talent striving to take as much as they can, gagging in the process.

See what I mean about being very particular? It's not enough for me that a girl takes a guy all the way to the balls with her mouth. "Will" is not sufficient. She has to make it look easy--like she's better at it that I am--for me to get off on it. I mean, shit. I can choke on a cock. That's easy. What's impressive is not choking on it. Why the fuck would I want to pay to see a girl be just as inept (but granted, willing) to choke as I am? Now, a girl that knows how to work the head, to stroke the shaft and tease the balls? She's rare today, and I want to hear about her if you see her. And a girl that can take a cock halfway to her stomach and be as serene as the Dalai Lama while doing so? She's a fucking STAR in my book. Email me about it.

Edited to say: That's not to say that women that demonstrate the will to please a man at any cost are not talented. They are. If done in a compelling manner, their performances, no matter how stomach-churning they may be to me personally, are worthy of recognition and respect. Any woman that goes out of her way to facilitate your masturbatory orgasm deserves applause in my opinion.

Edited by - Pagoda on 12/15/2005 5:32:20 PM

infimum
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Posted - Dec 15 2005 : 5:56PM
I think your standard is way higher than mine. I am not really looking for some super-human ability demonstrated in porn. Willingness is where it's at. A girl trying devour a big cock and ending up gagging is hot enough in my book.

Edited by - infimum on 12/15/2005 6:05:42 PM

DenverDon
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Posted - Dec 15 2005 : 8:07PM
A good read, and well said. Thanks Pagoda.
oatmeal
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Posted - Dec 15 2005 : 8:13PM
I agree with most of what Pagoda said... minus the choking. She seems pretty cool and is a great addition to ADT.
boze
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Posted - Dec 15 2005 : 8:25PM
Gagging is a total turn off.The word erotic is beyond the average pornmeister grasp.
 
BigFerret
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10/02
Posted - Dec 15 2005 : 9:09PM
+1 Pagoda. I hate all that choking, gagging, and face slapping rubbish.
picman
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Posted - Dec 15 2005 : 9:17PM
Just to echo what Astroknight said. Please stick around. You're needed here.
Redish All-Star Supporter
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Posted - Dec 15 2005 : 9:27PM
And I am so very glad that you decided to listen.

de25ge
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Posted - Dec 15 2005 : 10:03PM
I'm not a fan of gagging and when it's done improperly resulting in spaghetti-o-face it's getting worse.
(not recommended)

I've seen a scene with a girl totally new to the buisness, the director let her perform a bj, while she was fingered on her g-spot. She started a sensual bj on the tip, but all they wanted is make her gag. She needed maybe 10-15 min to learn how to do it, so it's not that difficult to do it.
But it seems like without that, you have no chance to perform.

Slapping in the face looks just silly, and you can see that the girl is making fun of it because it looks silly or her demanding gestures to become slapped are silly.

Choking..I've never seen someone do it properly, it looks like they have a list:
lick her feet
spit her in the face
slap her
choke her somehow

It's all done like going through a shopping list...


Pulling hair.. no way I've seen once a girl who was pulled by her hair during a bj and was gliding with her knees on the floor..aua

Hardware All-Star Supporter
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Posted - Dec 15 2005 : 10:23PM
I appreciate Pagoda's desire to see rough, dominant sex where pleasuring the woman is the goal. Unfortunately, porn is rarely able to achieve that.

I guess it comes down to whether you're willing to wade through the 90% crap to find those few scenes that do; which, if you think about it, can be said about any other porn-preference as well. The only difference is that poorly done anal sex leaves me disgruntled while poorly done rough/dominant sex leaves me pissed off at the male talent and director, which is why I'm not interested in those few gems that may be out there.

Stroke of Genius
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Posted - Dec 15 2005 : 10:31PM
Pagoda, I love your reviews. Awesome! Keep writing them.
I've been flirting with the idea of writing a few myself - maybe you'll inspire me.

I still remember the Lana Coxx scene from I Love it Rough #2 myself.

I haven't seen any rough scenes that I thought approached that one since for heat and chemistry, too much slapping, spitting etc. for the circus atmospherics for my tastes.

I'd like to recommend a few scenes for ya, if you don't mind. Gen Padova's scene in Internally Yours #5 was smoking hot, though you might not like that the dick is provided by Brian Surewood. Very real, extremely orgasmic performance by Ms. Padova. Also, I'd wager you would enjoy Erotica XXX #10 for the Kaiya Lynn scene, and especially the Stephanie Renee scene with Mark Ashley. The girl gets the fucking of a lifetime. I DARE you to watch it and not invite your "little friend"....

de25ge
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11/05
Posted - Dec 15 2005 : 10:44PM
Padova (not to mix with Pagoda) is very orgasmatic, you just need to touch her and she climaxes in Cytheria convulsion style. Makes every male performance look good, even if it wasn't one....
Stroke of Genius
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Posted - Dec 15 2005 : 10:53PM
Yeah, de25ge, Padova is that way alot, but is notably so in this scene. And she gets that way from some hard vaginal fucking, something Pagoda digs.
generizer
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Posted - Dec 16 2005 : 11:48AM
I don't want this to sound bitchy and ungreatful but it really bums me out to be compared to Cytherea as if she's been around much longer and created a trembling orgasm. (I only mention this because this comparison to any level is popping out more often by many others)

I understand she's come up with great ways to put the spot light on her but for those of us who aren't trying to pinch the penny and just have fun when the opportunity comes, always gets compared to the one in the spot light. I'm only saying this so you all get an idea of what goes through my mind in situations like this and possibly other girls too.

All in all I am thankful tremendously that you appreciate the way I enjoy my scenes. Have a great holiday everyone. Take care, be warm!

-Gen Padova-

Edited by - GENERIZER on 12/16/2005 11:49:10 AM

de25ge
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Posted - Dec 16 2005 : 12:07PM
I have seen you ( Gen Padova ) only in Squirting 101 and maybe the comments of Axel made me say it..sorry.

But I witnessed such an orgasm with whole body trembling and shaky legs only once with one girlfriend... and to post her name would be not good, because nobody knows her here.

I don't know but this ability to be so sensitiv makes someone special and I haven't witnessed it anymore.

I'm very interested why this happens and why only a handful of girls have it.

Edited by - de25ge on 12/16/2005 12:09:38 PM

 
Pagoda
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Posted - Dec 16 2005 : 12:30PM
Figured I'd post this here. New Review. I think some of you will like this movie.
Stroke of Genius
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Posted - Dec 16 2005 : 7:12PM
Saw this a few weeks back, and I loved the Kaiya Lynn scene almost as much as you. Seeing as how you didn't even need old red, I cannot recommend Erotica XXX #10 strongly enough for you.

Thanks for another great review!

piercedpixie1
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11/05
Posted - Dec 16 2005 : 10:39PM
guys, what's the deal with slagging off gagging?!?!
I am a woman...some may say lady but that would be wrong!
and I love to feel a bit fat cock hit the back of my throat making me gag...nothing beats that feeling....its such a rush...maybe to do with the body's response to gagging...but i love it and it aint to do with pleasing the man...i still dildos in my mouth when masturbating!
just needed to get that off my chest ;)
skronker
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Posted - Dec 16 2005 : 10:46PM
I am feeling the love for Nyomi Zen, too, Pagoda ... and I enjoy your perspective. Much needed and thx.
Pagoda
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Posted - Dec 16 2005 : 11:46PM
Wow! You might be an exception to the general rule. Did you always like the feeling--even not related to sex? I can't stand it; I panic. I think most people do. However, I do sometimes brush the back of my throat with the head of Mr. P's cock because it activates salivation. A girl can give a really good spit job if she knows how to employ her gag reflex without heaving. I've done it often enough that I can just get the saliva flowing without my stomach churning. I have an oral fixation, and I do like my mouth to be filled, but not my throat. I take a cock down my throat only for my man's benefit; his pleasure turns me on, but I don't get a thrill from the sensation itself.

Edited by - Pagoda on 12/16/2005 11:47:49 PM

Endless Loop
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Posted - Dec 17 2005 : 4:06AM
I suppose it should come as little surprise, and only fair to surmise that women, are capable of having interests as diverse as men, in this creative, subjective, all inclusive medium.

Edited by - Endless Loop on 12/17/2005 4:31:22 AM

Ivory
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Posted - Dec 17 2005 : 11:51AM
I like to watch unforced gagging, for the fact that I too enjoy that thrilling headrush feeling you describe--unfortunately it seems almost all the gagging in porn is of the forced variety, so too bad for me.

Plus, add to that that I do not enjoy seeing a beautiful make-up job ruined for the remainder of a twenty-minute scene by a twenty-second gagging interlude.

p.s. Pagoda is great!

Edited by - Ivory on 12/17/2005 11:55:43 AM

piercedpixie1
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Posted - Dec 17 2005 : 1:22PM
it's not the stomach churning or heaving that is hot...it is the filling of my throat completely and that feeling of getting past the gag...mmmmmmmmmm...the all that saliva...yummm
good point endless loop...
sometimes my throat misses cock more than my puss or arse...weird!
x
Pagoda
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Posted - Dec 17 2005 : 1:37PM
Well maybe I'm doing it wrong, then. Hmmm. Still, the sound of gagging, much more than the sight, while I'm watching porn, throws me out of my horny mood. I just have this sympathetic reflex that makes me feel pukey.

Ivory: Good point about the make-up. I think that when there's going to be deep-throating in a scene, they deliberately have the make-up artist apply non-waterproof mascara to exaggerate that the bj brought tears to the girl's eyes. There's no reason why they can't use waterproof mascara, or false eyelashes, for that matter. The make--up is supposed to run, and I'm sure the make-up products are chosen specifically so that it will.

Make-up artists, am I correct? Where's Lauren Phoenix when I need her?

Ivory
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"We all want our time in Hell."
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Posted - Dec 17 2005 : 10:54PM
Pagoda, I just have to commend you on this brilliant passage from your review of Me Love U Long Time 8. I hearted it :

"Let me just start by saying that I love Manuel Ferrara. I think he's sexy as fuck. That said, there are many different levels to Manuel's depravity, and I prefer him in the middle range. I don't want him de-fanged and de-clawed as is usually done to him in 'couples' movies. That's just wrong--to sedate and strip the essence from a wild creature is to sin against nature.

"However, I also don't want him running rampant, completely off-leash. When he's given no limits, he rushes to act out every perverted idea that has ever popped into his head, some of which are downright comical. When he is set loose, he reminds me of the Tasmanian Devil, and he makes me nervous.

"I like Manuel best when he's put in a giant cage--given some clear boundaries. For me, the most interesting Manuel exhibit is the Vag-Only - No Forced Gagging Habitat. He paces back and forth, rubbing up against the bars, taking occasional swipes at passersby, straining to break free. Seeing a naturally dominant, aggressive man show some barely-contained restraint is a major, major turn-on for me."

 
Redish All-Star Supporter
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Posted - Dec 17 2005 : 11:02PM
Damnit people, at this rate, Pagoda's head should reach the upper atmosphere by the New Year.

Ivory
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"We all want our time in Hell."
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Posted - Dec 17 2005 : 11:14PM
Well, I do strongly disagree with her about choking.

Pagoda, I hope that doesn't bring you down too harshly!

Pagoda
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Posted - Dec 18 2005 : 1:14AM
And I strongly disagree with Ivory about gagging. And that's cool. Whatever floats your boat, I say.

Hey Ivory, all that description you posted was just set-up for the punchline. I made myself laugh hysterically picturing this:

"Kaiya released Manuel back into the wild when she was finished with him. In fact, his radio collar is currently transmitting valuable tracking data to scientists while he happily roams his mating territory in the Pyrenees."

Can't you just imagine Manuel Ferrara with a big plastic tag in his ear, wearing a big, bulky radio collar? Heehee! Maybe it's just me. I am crazy, afterall.

lindi
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Posted - Dec 18 2005 : 10:27AM
Well, now I'm going to have to read some of Pagoda's reviews!
Doctor Evil
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Posted - Dec 19 2005 : 3:52PM
Pffffttt... I am greater.

Of course, I am THE greatest.

Great. Greater, Doctor Evil.

de25ge
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Posted - Dec 19 2005 : 3:54PM
Do you have a mustache?
Pagoda
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Posted - Dec 19 2005 : 7:24PM
Hey, thanks for the encouragement, everyone. You've been a great shot in the arm, that's for sure. I'll continue to review DVD's, but I'm taking a break--possibly a permanent one--from the forums. My misgivings about myself fitting in with the ADT community have unfortunately been confirmed. I've discovered I don't have the fortitude to constantly swim upstream against the current. In particular, I don't have the desire to carefully select each and every word I type, nor to justify my positions on any topic to any ADT forum member. I came to ADT to have some fun, and fun it has not been on more than one occasion. Life's hard enough that I don't need to shout into the wind about something so individual as porn.

I might post a press release when I get my own site up, but until then, please know that I've enjoyed conversing with many of you, particularly talent, and that I think ADT performs a valuable public service. There are simply personalities in this communitity with whom I'm not interested in competing or engaging. See you around.

Best Wishes,

P

de25ge
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Posted - Dec 19 2005 : 7:30PM
....life would be so boring if everyone had the same opinion....and sometimes a lesbian behaves like a man....
(Not His Real Name)
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Posted - Dec 19 2005 : 8:25PM
Awww.. It's a shame to read this in the thread dedicated to appreciating you. I may as well chime in to say that I've really enjoyed your contributions to the discussions 'round here and would hate to see you go for good. I guess I missed out on any big conflicts you may have had (assuming you didn't take personally the cold water I threw on the porn co-op idea (I may not have mentioned this, but I have zero experience with business, so I was talking a little bit out my ass there..)), but I've long been impressed at how civil things usually stay on these boards.

Hopefully you'll resolve to shrug off the shriller dissenters and be back with more commentary. Meantime, I'll be looking out for your reviews.

Cheers.

threesomebody
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Posted - Dec 19 2005 : 8:39PM


Ah, fuck it

Edited by - threesomebody on 12/20/2005 9:51:46 AM

skronker
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Posted - Dec 19 2005 : 9:20PM
Jeez, pagoda ... you shouldn't take it all so seriously. it's a porn board for gosh sakes. I enjoy a good contretemps myself. We often come to better understandings of our fellow semi-anonymous cyberspace pervs after a little bloodless dust up. Anyway,
Bornyo
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Posted - Dec 19 2005 : 9:33PM
Postus Interruptus Batman....I'm waiting with bated breath for the exciting conclusion.
skronker
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Posted - Dec 19 2005 : 10:49PM
.... anyway, everyone seems to enjoy what you have to say including me so surely you can tolerate a discordant reply or two? Maybe we just need a group hug.
Den
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Posted - Dec 20 2005 : 12:19AM
Damn, what the f..k!

Pagoda sent me her views and I begged her to allow me put it on my site.

I never told her that I would put it here also.

So, it is my fault that we have now lost her!

I fell terrible and my apologies to Pagoda.

Pagoda is GREAT!

I'm sorry.

Den

skronker
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Posted - Dec 20 2005 : 12:45AM
People melt down over stuff all the time. I bet she'll get over it. ADT is more addictive than crack.
Twizted6
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Posted - Dec 20 2005 : 2:06AM
Pagoda,

I'll buy you a beer at the Lake Union Hooters if you come back. You can even bring Mr.P if you like.

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