Guess that depends on your definition of entertainment now doesn't it? Reality T.V. that's a little too real? Why would I stick up for Vince, I don't work with him? What, I do stick up for is his right to have his own scene of humor, and portray that in his movies as he pleases, like it or not.
Cal444 Somewhere, so I guess the, kicking the girl in the back of the head, is out of the question. Just joking!
Cal, I personally think you should keep your thoughts on somebody elses product to yourself, you represent Anabolic and I have to say you are not coming across as being somebody I would want to give my hard-earned cash to, RLD is not about this sort of behaviour as far as I am aware, so I think it should be left in the hands of the owner of that company to sort out. If I want to see this crap I will watch a Max Harcore or TT Boy movie.
I just skimmed through the scene itself and also watched the little bit after the last scene where Vince says what he says. I can't understand how or why he would say this was the worst scene he'd ever shot. Sure Tera Joy was more outgoing and more importantly she could speak english while Angela it seems could speak little or none. The actual scene I thought was good, Tera has the more outgoing personality so I enjoyed watching her more than Angela but Angela did several anal positions well including a dp in Piledriver!! This good looking blond girl also takes 4 solid pops to her mouth, she gets all the jizz and Tera pops up to lick and kiss with Angela after the pops are done. Now I believe it was Brian Pumper who pops mostly on her eyes and he says something very offensive to me or it seems he was being mean spirited about what he said. I didn't care for that remark at all. Now Erik Everhard was in the scene and he posts here often so perhaps he can say what he recalls about this scene. The action I thought was good or at least it was edited together well from the footage that was captured. I also agree that what Vince said should not have been on the dvd, I still don't see how this was a bad scene but that's his product so he can say what he wants. I just think it should be kept in house if you will or say what you want to say to the girls with the guys out of the room or if the girls are out of the room then Vince say what you want because chances are the girls will never see it. I will review this one soon I think but a little bit of the joy will be missing when I watch that scene.
I haven't said one word about anyone's product except for the "Aspen Brock" scene, which was in one of our movies, that I edited. I didn't bring that scene up, someone else did. I haven't said anything negative about anything except for the arrogant attitude associated with telling Vince what is, or is not, acceptable to put in his flixxx. My only comment was to commend Vince for putting in what he wants.
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Posted - Nov 1 2003 : 5:49PM
This seems like one great big huge overreaction to me. So Vince is an asshole! Is that news? He still makes some of the best porn out there, which as a consumer is all I really care about. While I agree his including those comments at the end was probably a misjudgement, doing so has made me more curious to see the final product.
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Posted - Nov 1 2003 : 6:30PM
That might be the whole point of leaving something like that in there. In an industry that's becoming saturated and suffering from sameness, maybe Vince wants to cultivate that personna to differentiate his product and create controversy. If he cared about people misjudging his image he would probably respond to this thread. I have no doubt that he knows about it. Remember when Brandon Iron was taken to task for his perceived actions, he came on here and explained himself without making any apologies for his work. He has garnered a lot of respect and fans for simply standing up for himself.
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Posted - Nov 1 2003 : 6:34PM
I think you're right on target. The thought occurred to me that people get put down quite a bit on some of the reality TV programs, like American Idol, and viewers just lap that shit right up. I think Vince including these kinds of comments may be a nod to "reality porn".
Its one thing to talk shit to your friends about your girlfriend or some woman you fucked. Hell, I've done it. Not to the woman's face since I consider that in poor taste and unnecessary. To demean some girl that's paid to fuck on camera in front of thousands of viewers who may be sensitive to such mysoginist behavior is unprofessional, immature and pathetic.
I really hate what I'm going to say 'cos I never like or care much for Vince but all you people are OVERREACTING over nothing, the worst that can be said about the extra footage in question is that Vince was being a jerk. Since when being a jerk is equal to being a rapist!? ...watch the video people and then talk. ...Now, what do you guys would think if 1 guy starts fingering pussy a girl on a bed, at the beginig she seems willing (hard to tell) ...suddenly she tries to force her way out but he doesn't let her, a second guy appears and between the two hold the girl's hands against the bed so she can't move. now the pussy fingering is more frantic and the girl is clearly complaining (she doesn't speak english) the girl is able to free one of her hands and starts to hit one the guy's back with her fist furiously many times clearly signaling STOP IT!! the pussy fingering continues for a few more seconds ignoring the girl's complains, then they let go the girl and she is definitely not happy about what just happened but stays in silence. (video ends) ...My english is not the best but I think I described the short scene fairly. ...Now to me that is a LOT and I mean A LOT more stronger but I haven't heard nobody saying anything, this RedLight video even has 1-2 reviews. ...Will the rape word be used here?? ..I don't think so but in my opinion the girl was being abuse. The problem is one of the guys is a nice guy, every likes him. Chances are the one getting heat here will be me but I wouldn't feel right if I say nothing. ...watch the end of Cum In My Ass Not In My Mouth and leave Vince alone. IMO the other 2 guys are 10 times worst without saying a word.
I kinda agree with Wally. I'm not much of a fan of Vince Voyeur at all (in fact I avoid many movies that have him in it), but it seems like many of you are really getting a tad overzealous.
This is my first post onto this thread, so I haven't really gotten into the discussion, but I just had a couple thoughts.
This is just my opinion, but I kind of like Vince's work. Actually, even though every movie from RLD usually is good, Vince Voyeur titles are probably the most consistent.
And hey, if I got to nail some of the most beautiful women in the world, I'd probably get a little full of myself too. No self-respecting man can deny that.
All I'm saying is, he may be a prick, but if that's his worst quality then who cares.
I hear what you're saying about audiences caring only about the finished product, not the BTS grief. Actually, I want to see the BTS grief, cuz if it's bad enough, then I'm like, "whoa! didn't know bruh was a bastid. won't be buyin' his flix/attending his concerts anymore."
"Pablo Picasso was an asshole" -- Jonathan Richman,
I guess it's all relative.
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Posted - Nov 6 2003 : 2:44AM
i've heard this from more than one person in the porn industry - there are two kinds of guys in the business - those who love women and those who hate women. There are more of the latter I think.
haven't seen the movie in question - sounds like Vince was being a jerk but that's not a crime. 90% of stars and directors and producers in mainstream Hollywood are complete aholes, probably the same in the XXX movie biz. Rosie O'Donnel has this image as this warm down to earth nice sensitive person, but if what I've read and heard is true she is an abusive shrew who screams and belittles those who work for her. She just doesn't put it on a DVD cuz she's more savvy than Vince Vouyer - maybe Vince is savvy and that's what he thinks guys will dig. Lots of porn viewers who have alot of hostility towards women.
You're correct, this is the only way to find out what was really going on during a shoot.Funny you should post this, I've also come to the same conclusion. Just from watching their films, I can guess that the "loves women" camp includes John Stagliano, Jules Jorden, Mark Davis and Tom Byron. I will refrain from naming who I think belongs to the second group.
To be fair, if there are going to be BTS footage that shows the grief that can go on during filming, then we viewers deserve to see all the grief, including the worst. Furthermore, I believe from posts from porn insiders, the worst that can happen on a film set is a guy who can't cum on time, or who can't stay hard long enough to finish a scene. Will we be seeing anything like these two scenarios anytime soon in a porn film, I wonder?
I doubt it. First of all, no porn studio would purposely show footage that is disrespectful to a male actor. Second of all, porn fans would be in an uproar if they saw something like the above. Anyone think I'm wrong?
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Posted - Nov 6 2003 : 11:08AM
I doubt that. It will give you A representation of some sort, which is more often than not deliberately manipulated and is always constructed. "Ceci n'est pas une pipe", you know. Still, you can always draw conclusions based on that representation. I know I will.Well, I remember Billy Glide was made to look like a fool/dopehead in a Extreme Associates flick, because he turned up in no condition whatsoever to shoot a scene. Could have been Pornoflick . I also remember a video which had some outtakes at the end, which sole purpose was to ridicule the wood problems of male performer Jeff James. More or less the exact same expression as used by Vince Vouyer was used by the director: that Jeff James had no business being in the business. I believe (but am far from sure) that the video was L.A.D.P. , in which case the director was Milton Ingley. You have to consider that this was a feature and that the practice of adding behind the scene footage didn't exist back then, making this a much more deliberate decision of the filmmakers to add it to the video.
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okay, you are right. but that doesn't give anybody the right to be mean to the girls. Or just take advantage 'cos she doesn't speak english or is sumisive. Even sluts have feelings my friend..I don't care if she is a crak head or if she was just gangbanged by 21 guys, she is still a person like you and I........damn, this is why my friend tells me that I don't make friends easely. One moment I'm defending Vince, the next I'm telling him not to be a jerk. ..Well, that's the way I'm, I hate injustice. ..Thankfully I have not interest in wining no popularity contest
I won't bash Vince here,I could,but I won't.But I have to say saying stupid shit to someone and laughing because they don't speak your language is pretty ignorant,an attitude most people should leave in elementary school.It happens everywhere but damn,people can be so stupid"HaHA!You don't speak english,I just called you a dumbass,you don't get it?Because you don't speak english,how STUPID!"
That's no Vince Voyeur! That's a dope-smoking, drunken, bloated, pill-popping, sweaty, oh to hell with it.
I got nothin'...
cobalt60 --Somewhere waking up in an alley rubbing a bump on his head wondering why his ass is sore and what the hell is that funky taste in his mouth.
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Posted - Nov 10 2003 : 8:30AM
Not that I want to rehash this subject, but I just watched the entire scene and I'll have my review of the movie posted later on, but what Vince says to her at the end of the movie is not too bad if you consider Brian Pumper's words DURING the scene: "Dumb bitched like you get it in the eye" as he pops in her eye...
The scene its self wasn't bad, but you can clearly see they were setting up for a cum swap and Angela botched it horribly. I'm not sure how many movies Angela has been in but how could anyone, REGARDLESS of what an agent says expect her to perform perfectly if she's not experienced in the business ??
first, let me say that i do not know vince voyeur but i am a fan of the product that he produces for the most part. i have seen the footage in question, and i'm not sure how i feel about it. the footage going on during the credit roll is very short. this may be totally naive of me, but their is a chance the girl he was insulting didn't even speak english or know what he was saying. i certainly do not condone what vince voyeur did, but it could be that we are simply misinterpretting what happened. that is a possibility. if what happened was really just vince voyeur being a total prick, i wouldn't doubt it. i have tho seen cum swapping sluts #3 in a scene with sophie evans. and after that scene, i have lost a LOT of respect for vince voyeur. the scene was supposed to have sophie swapping cum with the other girl in the scene, and sophie does. but becuase of the angle of her body and the way *it is spit in her throat, she chokes for a second. this is not a fault of sophie, but a mere physical flaw of the throat/gag reflex. sophie evans is one of the utmost popular eurobabes in recent time and seems to be a very very sweet and nice woman. the way vince treats her for her gag was flat out aweful. he went on to barrade her for a length of time that was not needed. he told her she totally ruined the entire scene and had a few other choice phrases for her as well. it was obvious that sophie was rather upset and sad at how vince had treated her. anyway, i just thought i'd drop my 2 cents about the whole thing.
Well I have to say that after reading this thread over it's course of a week or so, that I won't ever be buying a DVD directed by or with Vince Voyeur performing in it again. I'm not into that kind of attitude.
Simple as that really, no biggie, no need for flames, I'll just vote with my wallet and give those dollars to Private/EA/EE/ZT/Hustler/WCP/PXP instead.
Nothing specifically against RLD, just Vince's work. I did like Lex's RLD stuff quite a bit actually, but he's no longer with the company.. [:/]
Know what I think? I think you all are taking this shit way to seriously. It's ENTERTAINMENT! The standard by which a pornographer should be judged is,, does the content put enough lead in your pencil to pop a load. Pure and simple. Anything beyond that is irrelevant.
Sums up my feelings exactly. Happens far too often with this guy. If you want to make jerky comments like the McDonalds bullshit Vince do it on your own time and keep it off your vids. Is that supposed to turn people on?
Hmmmm... Watched RLD's Road Trip #4 today. Liked it. Didn't really think too much about behind the scenes stuff. I didn't even catch what the orinally poster was taking about and went back a second time and didn't really hear anything too bad???? Maybe it was moved out of the DVD extra by the time I got mine. I had to wait a bit for the DVD just got it two days ago.
I am not going to call Vince a rapist or anything close. What I will say is that I have seen numerous scenes that he is either in or directing that the girl is genuinely uncomfortable with what is happening and Vince's behavior looks much more like anger than lust/passion etc.
The thing is, it is now what I expect from him. As a consumer, I can use the power of my dollar and not watch, which I don't.
The girls do deserve more respect than he gives, nobody deserves to be treated like crap and I hope that Dion does have some influence over him.
No probs Cal mate, but the thing to remember is that there's almost an unlimited amount of choice out there for us, and if Vinnie's style isn't your absoloute favorite of all, then there's plenty of other stuff out there for the same price that does the job without the assholish attitude stapled onto the side of it.
I'll just spend mine elsewhere, like I said, no biggie and no flammen needed..
Well, the original poster said "Behind the Scenes". When actually it was at the end of the DVD with the credits rolling. Vince did make a smart ass comment. But, I didn't think it was too big of a deal. My take on it was that he was joking. She is new to porn and struggled a bit with having sex with 3 veteran porn guys. I didn't really think she even knew what Vince was taking about(language barrier) as for the crying I didn't see it. Just my take on the whole thing. Nothing that Dion needs to run to Vince about IMHO.
Not much to add except that I just witnessed Multiple POV 2 and thought it was above my expectations and another vince voyeur winner. And I will continue to run with Vinces' titles as long as they smoke like this.
Some are reacting to this footage so harshly in XXX road trip 4 because Vince might of shown a lil reality to a whore/porn transaction (thats the way I see it,) and that it might be a hard pill to swallow when you realize that these chicks take dough to suck sperm. I have seen Rocco, Nacho, Jake Steed, Brandon Irons, Max Hardcore, Mason, (I could go on and on) treat women in titles like complete garbage.
Vince Voyeur (and I have seen the footage questioned in xxxroadtrip4, quite tame really,) is guilty of showing nothing more than what really happened. If you want to pretend that everytime a girl gets DPed, throatfucked, etc that its all fun and games, I don't blame you, its a fun fantasy to perpetuate. But if you stick a camera on some one after a scene is over, sometimes what you get is demeaning, nasty stuff (from the guys and girls.)
Again, this is why I think some things should stay on the editing room floor. Because most behind the scenes footage shows the reality, the business aspect, the money for ass logistics. Some people obviously don't want to look at the mixture in the cake before taking a bite. They care how its baked, prepped, etc; me, I eat it up, when its raw on the spoon. Even if it makes me sick.
I have shot scenes with Nacho, Brandon Irons, and Mason and I will tell you this about them. They go out of their way to make the girls feel good. I have to wait before I can say action so they can talk to the girls and find out what there limits are and if they are not ok with something to just tell them to stop and they will! What you see Mason do on screen with the girls is set up and talked to in advance so. During the brake she ask is everything ok do you need water or anything. I don’t think they treat these girls like garbage I think they treat the girl as human as any one else trying to make a living! Yani Z
Just because a person is 'nice' to them does not take away from the physical reality of what is happening. Nacho smacks the shit out of chicks and makes em cry. Same for brandon irons and mason.
I can sweet talk too; it doesn't mean I care more because I am smooth with words.
This is a typical 'pimp-style' rationalization; just because you give someone a glass of water doesn't take away from the fact that you are making em wear a toilet seat or having them throw up over a cock in there mouth. Take away the money and see if the being nice aspect is enough to get these women to do what they do.
In the case of Vince Voyeur; he was honest instead of 'pretending' to care. I say bravo; but maybe I am just insensitive to this whole situation. I will go back to my hole now.
P-Knuckle has a point or two; the Vouyer incident certainly opens a window of reality on what can happen on a porn set; I suppose it's a matter of how often this sort of thing (actresses being insulted BTS) happens elsewhere.
As for the glass-of-water rationalization, well I guess we can comfort ourselves with the knowledge that the girls weren't thirsty, no matter how much pain, discomfort or lack of air they experienced during a scene. P-Knuckle, you are right, I doubt anyone (outside of a person who is already a masochist in their private life) would do this for free. Yani, I hope the actresses don't have to pay for their own bottled water, but I bet I'm being naive.
Rough sex films, at least, are up front about their content, so they're easy enough to find, and easy enough to avoid, depending on what the viewer wants. However, coming across a director insulting an actress, in an otherwise regular gonzo film like XXX Road Trip, is what is at the heart of this thread.
I take dough to do jobs I'm not enamored of. What's the difference? That they suck sperm? How misogynistic.What you have seen performed as agreed upon during a scene bears absolutely no relation to what happens after the scene ends. Repeat after me, 'Porn is fantasy, the production of porn is reality.' Clear now?I understand that it's work. I also understand that you don't abuse the people who are working for you. If somebody flakes on you that doesn't give you an excuse to belittle them, much as their actions may frustrate you. Porn is in much the same position as contact sports and war in that what your people are capable of changes daily. If you ask them to go beyond what they're capable of don't blame them if they fail. If you can't grasp that reality then you should not be directing porn.
No we don't. Perhaps you need to start hanging out with a better class of people. Of course, that's assuming a better class of people would be willing to hang out with you. Just because your group of friends is made up of nothing but scumbags is no reason to assume that we're all scumbags.
Just saw Vince's "Group Thing 3." Good tape, though I was hoping Nevaeh Ashton would do anal this time but she doesn't. However, in the b.t.s. on the dvd there is a brief bit during Peaches, Elizabeth, and Nevaeh's scene where Vince is a bit insensitive to Nevaeh. The other two girls do anal in this tape but Nevaeh doesn't. At some point during the scene Erik Everhard fucks one of the girls in the ass and then tries to go over and give it to Nevaeh vaginally. She looks all hot and horny but she suddenly asks him right as he is about to penetrate if he washed off his dick. Vince gets pretty mad at her and basically indicates that she ruined that part of the scene. However, Nevaeh flat out stands up to him and says something like, "Who cares. I'm sorry but you can edit around this but if he takes his dick from another girl's ass and it puts it in me I could get an infection or something and then I wouldn't be working for a long time. None of us want that do we?" In writing that sounds really confrontational but with her soft voice it sounded sweet and to his credit Vince backs off and rolls with it because he couldn't deny what she was saying.
Just thought I'd mention it.
Kelly
Updated Nov. 23-I forgot to mention something. Before this happens in the bts section there is some indication that Vince is going to work with Nevaeh himself in a couple of days. She is showing her pussy to the camera guy and you can hear Vince from off camera saying, "So is that what I'm going to fuck on Friday?" I'm assuming this scene happened on that Friday and will be in a "Breakin' Em In" or something. So, perhaps Nevaeh hinting that she could get infected by Erik not being sanitary meant even more to him considering he was planning on personally working with her.
Sounds pretty personal to me. All guys talk shit no matter what class. If you think people with, "so called class", don't, you're obviously more clueless that your insightful scathing post.
To my mind, the only value this thread has lies in the fans ability to send a message to the insiders about our attitude towards the performers as people, as opposed to the people as performers, which is what we usually discuss. Obviously that may be a mixed message, but it's one which has value nonetheless. If anybody has anything to say in furtherance of that discussion post away, otherwise, give it a rest.
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