Porn Industry Downturn -- your solutions? (page 3)

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Smiler Grogan All-Star Member the war cry 14790 Posts 1/08	Posted - Jul 11 2014 : 12:13AM darthroc wrote: Scenes need to do more to show the porn girl's real life identity and persona. There are 2 or 3 scenes where we see Keisha Grey on a skateboard and some other scenes where we see Destiny Dixon on a bike and in biker clothes. We need more of that. Click to expand [Link]
Smiler Grogan All-Star Member the war cry 14790 Posts 1/08	Posted - Jul 11 2014 : 12:36AM I've said it before, and I'll say it again. There is only one solution to what ails porn. Here's a server farm. There's a few hundred of these located all across the globe. Here's a nuclear bomb. It's one of the old-fashioned ones (not an ICBM of course...we don't wanna go nuts here!) Drop one of those babies on each server farm and BOOM! That's it! No more internet. No more streaming, no more downloading, no more piracy. Porn sales go back up. Newspaper and magazines come back to life. The world pretty much looks like this article. (or really, any movie from 1995-on back.) Now, OK, sure, there will be some collateral damage. We may lose some bridges, tunnels here and there, but if you're not prepared for a couple thousand deaths, then your heart just really isn't in this. This is the ONLY way. This is IT. This is what has torpedoed the music industry, the newspaper industry and the adult film industry. All these "solutions" you hear about this that or the other are just band-aids. Either we nuke the internet or just roll with the changes. There is no in-between. That's it. That's THE solution. It's the only solution. [Link]
killbillvol69 All-Star Member ^Lucy Pinder 18634 Posts 4/08	Posted - Jul 11 2014 : 1:21AM Smiler Grogan wrote: Either we nuke the internet or just roll with the changes. There is no in-between. That's it. That's THE solution. It's the only solution. Click to expand Yup. And since nukes probably aren't the best option, rolling with the changes is what will have to happen. We had another thread on this theme a while back, it was quite popular for a while. At that time, I posted the following: IMO private chats are the inevitable future of porn. Completely un-pirate-able, unless you want to watch what someone else wants to say to the girl, and what someone else wants the girl to do - which would completely defeat the purpose of a private chat. The pirates would be much more likely to just download older porn movies, where there's decent lighting and camera work and such. (By 'decent', I mean much better than in private chats, which essentially pay no thought at all to lighting or camera work.) Five years later, I still think this is the case. The only lucrative 'future model' of porn is likely to be camshows/private chats. Kiss "movies" goodbye. [edit: added stuff] Edited by - killbillvol69 on 7/11/2014 1:30:30 AM [Link]
whatsatelephonebill Senior Member 2935 Posts 10/11	Posted - Jul 11 2014 : 2:00AM ^ I would argue that you're about half right. I think that cam shows (public and private) are the future of porn when it comes to how performers themselves will make money. But the biggest problems that girls are going to have with that model (and that they're already having with that model right now) is discoverability. As in, how are you going to get people to find out about you in a sea of other girls. And in the end, that's where porn as we know it right now will end up. As a way for girls to get their names out there (and get paid for it as well), while making the majority of their money doing cam shows and other personal things. Which means we'll be left either with whomever can get their scenes out for the cheapest amount of money spent, ensuring a decent rate of return even with a dwindling market, or a company that has a large stake in the cam show market also making traditional porn as a method of getting the girls signed up on their cam sites more exposure. Edited by - whatsatelephonebill on 7/11/2014 2:01:23 AM [Link]

killbillvol69 All-Star Member ^Lucy Pinder 18634 Posts 4/08	Posted - Jul 11 2014 : 2:11AM whatsatelephonebill wrote: ...a company that has a large stake in the cam show market also making traditional porn as a method of getting the girls signed up on their cam sites more exposure. Click to expand Good points, and I can see this one happening for sure, and maybe not too far down the road. [Link]
Jacco All-Star Member "liable to deprave and corrupt" 2673 Posts 5/04	Posted - Jul 11 2014 : 7:26AM ^Already happening. Saboom does this for instance, they shoot the girl for a few scenes, then have her camming and while you're chatting with her there is also an option to buy the scenes (and the other way around of course). Jacco [Link]
charn fubar 2880 Posts 12/09	Posted - Jul 11 2014 : 7:57AM The internet will end soon anyway, since it requires electricity the world won't have, and yes there will be collateral damage (world wars, civil wars, and famine). [Link]
Smiler Grogan All-Star Member the war cry 14790 Posts 1/08	Posted - Jul 11 2014 : 9:28AM I, for one, welcome our new apocalyptic wasteland! ^Winner --- well, "survivor" might be more accurate -- of the 2236 Presidential elections. [Link]
Bob Cobb Deactivated User 220 Posts 6/14	Posted - Jul 11 2014 : 9:39AM There's a movement called "Pay for Your Porn.". You'd think there would be 100% buy in from performers but this is far from the case. The number of porn girls that retweet tube links is staggering as are their direct endorsements of them (e.g. wearing their shirts). So for all the talk of how pirating is hurting the industry it's always going to be an issue as long as that continues; if the performers don't care about their scenes being up on tube and torrent sites why should consumers? There should be more outreach to these girls (and their agents who turn a blind eye) to educating them it's not OK and ultimately results in them making less money. For best results that outreach should come from intelligent, veteran stars e.g. jessica drake. [Link]
CummingLinguist All-Star Member 5908 Posts 11/11	Posted - Jul 11 2014 : 9:45AM killbillvol69 wrote: whatsatelephonebill wrote: ...a company that has a large stake in the cam show market also making traditional porn as a method of getting the girls signed up on their cam sites more exposure. Click to expand Good points, and I can see this one happening for sure, and maybe not too far down the road. Click to expand I fully agree that using porn as a way to market other services/products is a great source of income, and I imagine that it may end up going all the way: The US porn industry moves to Las Vegas, and the studios start running brothels. But, as I've said before, the studios could make a lot of headway against the tube sites by offering what the tube sites are already offering, namely aggregation and recommendations. Of course, it's complicated because the biggest tube conglomerate is also one of the biggest producers, and they are using their tube sites to undermine their competitors. But in principle, its hard to compete with free, and its impossible to compete with free if the free offering is in some ways better than the paid offering. [Link]
Moony Member 143 Posts 8/08	Posted - Jul 11 2014 : 12:29PM I'd do the following: 1. Stop acting like shysters/rip off merchants when it comes to online sales/signups. If you make it easier for people to sign up/pay without making them jump through hoops - and more importantly make it easy to cancel (what's with this auto renewal crap) - I think a lot more people would go legit if the companies acted like 'normal' retailers. 2. Treat niche customers with more respect - don't just throw any old crap into a niche film, thinking the customers will put up with it just because it nominally caters for their niche. A classic example is BBW movies - they are getting better - but for a long time, porn companies had very low standards when it came to production values, the quality of the talent etc. They seemed to think all you had to do to satisfy people who liked BBWs was to get a BBW actress regardless of looks or talent - put her with a male actor regardless of looks or talent - and film it. Sorry, but it doesn't work like that. I am extremely selective about buying niche films nowadays because I have been stung so many times in the past. 3. Make it clearer just what the movie contains. Seeing the male talent treat a girl like shit (face slapping, hooking mouth with fingers etc) is a scene killer for me. Some excellent scenes are spoilt for me when the male pulls this kind of crap half way through. There is usually little indication on the box or description that this goes on. Perhaps some sort of labelling system which indicates things like the level of sexual violence etc would make it easier to avoid movies containing stuff you don't like. Again - things like this only make me more hesitant/selective in what I buy - if I have any doubts - I just don't spend the money. Edited by - Moony on 7/11/2014 12:30:52 PM [Link]
misspornUSA Senior Member I ♥ the male gaze (and Palestine). 8737 Posts 11/13	Posted - Jul 11 2014 : 1:12PM ^^^As I pointed out in a thread last month, not just some uninformed pornstars but in fact a number of porn studios are cooperating with and promoting tube sites. [Link]
whatsatelephonebill Senior Member 2935 Posts 10/11	Posted - Jul 11 2014 : 1:23PM ^ First, it really doesn't help when the tube sites and the studios are owned by the same company. Second, the sad thing about tube sites is that they could actually be great for the industry if someone were to police them properly. The real issue with tube sites is the fact that full scenes are up there with days of release, and usually stay up the for a long time, and even if the studio gets them to remove it, someone just uploads it again. Tube sites are/can be great for what is legitimately promotional content, and are even now arguably the best place for someone a company to put up promotional content that's going to contain nudity and/or explicit sex, as Youtube and even Vimeo usually won't allow that type of stuff. [Link]
CummingLinguist All-Star Member 5908 Posts 11/11	Posted - Jul 11 2014 : 2:03PM Moony wrote: I'd do the following: 1. Stop acting like shysters/rip off merchants when it comes to online sales/signups. [...] 2. Treat niche customers with more respect [...] 3. Make it clearer just what the movie contains. [...] Click to expand Even top-quality companies get brought down by the bad apples. I've had a couple of bad experiences around billing with two different porn companies (Digitalplayground.com and MyFreeCams.com), and this makes me wary of joining any porn sites. The baddest apple in the barrel is also the biggest. If the ADT community really wanted undermine the tube sites, we would encourage people to consume bandwidth at Mindgeek's tube sites, but to never ever think of purchasing products from Digital Playground, Brazzers, Reality Kings, etc. But Mindgeek advertises here, and most of the performers who post here perform for Mindgeek-owned companies. I have certainly paid for their products, though as I said, I lived to regret one of these purchases. (But it doesn't stop me from buying Digital Playground DVDs at AdultDVDmarketplace.com.) [Link]

misspornUSA Senior Member I ♥ the male gaze (and Palestine). 8737 Posts 11/13	Posted - Jul 11 2014 : 2:11PM CummingLinguist wrote: If the ADT community really wanted undermine the tube sites, we would encourage people to consume bandwidth at Mindgeek's tube sites, but to never ever think of purchasing products from Digital Playground, Brazzers, Reality Kings, etc. Click to expand Isn't that what the majority of porn viewers already do anyway? [Link]
CummingLinguist All-Star Member 5908 Posts 11/11	Posted - Jul 11 2014 : 2:52PM ^ Yes. I guess, I was more saying that those who care about the financial well being of the industry should take pains to do business with the good companies AND to avoid doing business the bad companies– chief among them Mindgeek. ADT seems to post ads from Mindgeek, and most of the performers perform for Mindgeek. Then these same people lament the effect that the tube sites are having on the industry. [Link]
draghixafan Senior Member Less identical crap, more sleaze and bush! 2378 Posts 7/09	Posted - Jul 12 2014 : 3:03AM Edit: Gotta think some more about this. Edited by - draghixafan on 7/12/2014 3:13:05 AM [Link]
Lezlover Member 527 Posts 9/12	Posted - Jul 12 2014 : 11:39AM pat362 wrote: ^For the sake of my little test I picked Brazzer since it's often the usual suspect when it comes to talking about porn sites. Brazzer normally adds 1-2 new scene each day. I checked and in March they actually had 67 new scenes which breakdown into 34 x standard b/g, 13 x anal b/g, 1 x anal g/g, 8 x g/g, 9 x threesomes(1 male, 2 female), 1 x anal threesome and 1 x anal foursome (1 male, 3 anal female). Since I don't know Brazzer's rates than I'm using the only studio who bothers to post some rates. If I use Kink's rates that a female performer is paid 500$ to 800$ for g/g, 600$ to 1300$ for b/g and the men make 200$ to 400$. For argument sake I will assume that the higher rates in all categories is because it involves anal. Now if I breakdown cost for each type of scene I mentioned above then: 34 standard b/g x 800$ = 27,200$ 13 anal b/g x 1700$ = 22,100$ 1 anal g/g x 1300$ = 1,300$ 8 g/g x 1000$ = 8,000$ 9 3 some x 1200$ = 10,800$ 1 anal 3'some x 2300$ = 2,300$ 1 anal 4'some x 4300$ = 4,300$ That comes out to a grand total of 76,000$. Now I have a link that allows me to join Brazzer for one month at the very low cost of 10$ but it rebills at 25$ the following month. If you join directly from a link on the net then it's 30$ but who doesn't know a way to get a deal today? I don't know the going rates for CC processor so let's say that it's 20%. That means that for each 10$ Brazzer asks for. They really only have 8$ to play with. Let' say that Brazzer made 8$ per customer in March so that means they needed at least 9500 paying members just to cover the cost of performer salaries and who knows how much money for everything else. Does Brazzer really have over 10,000 members each month? If so then how many do they have to have to be able to make a profit? Click to expand If Brazzers aren't making a profit and your figures and calculations are in the general ball park, then the problem and solution is staring them right in the face. Just look at the top 2. Nearly 50,000$ for one month. Having gone through March myself and only counted 4 G/G and no anal G/G i'm going to guess that puts the top two somewhere nearer 55,000$. Looking at the scene breakdowns and by my counting, that's 72,000$ on B/G and 4,000$ on G/G. As a G/G fan 25$ a month is far too expensive for 4 scenes, it's the reason why I cancelled my membership and why I won't re-join. That's 25$ they aren't getting. A few hundred people like myself and we're moving into the 1000's. All these multi-network sites such as Brazzers, RK, Bangbros and Naughty America are the same, they put 90% of their eggs in the B/G basket. If other G/G fans think the same way then these companies are, in effect, turning away good money because those fans will just use the torrent sites. How is anyone to make a profit by doing that? DDF network and 21st sextury are the exceptions in my opinion. I'm a member of both and have been for years simply because the content is more equally balanced and not weighed too heavily towards one niche. IMO that's the solution. [Link]
Flash Golden Age Classic 11018 Posts 5/01	Posted - Jul 12 2014 : 12:26PM pat362 wrote: [...] I don't know the going rates for CC processor so let's say that it's 20%. That means that for each 10$ Brazzer asks for. They really only have 8$ to play with. Let' say that Brazzer made 8$ per customer in March so that means they needed at least 9500 paying members just to cover the cost of performer salaries and who knows how much money for everything else. Does Brazzer really have over 10,000 members each month? If so then how many do they have to have to be able to make a profit? Click to expand I suspect due to the volume of transactions that they most likely process the processing fee is below 20%. Your accounting includes their membership site as the only source of revenue for their scenes. If you look in the price search, it is full of releases from Brazzers on DVD. Your figures don't include DVD income from customers purchasing their discs nor any income from the sites renting their discs. [Link]
charn fubar 2880 Posts 12/09	Posted - Jul 12 2014 : 6:23PM It's not all bad news. There are some people who don't yet know how to get free porn. The guy who asked that in another forum was directed to a tube site, so I won't link it. [Link]
Digmen1 Member 629 Posts 7/07	Posted - Jul 13 2014 : 3:01AM I've just read this whole thread! And Simler Grogans pics on page 3 made it all worthwhile! The thing is who says there is a down turn? I think there is more pron being made than ever and much better porn. Yes, things do change - look at VHS, the Post Office, But with the number of pay sites and studios out there they must all still be making money or they would not still be there. One answer is to let me direct some movies I have some ideas that have never been done Afaik. [Link]
Smiler Grogan All-Star Member the war cry 14790 Posts 1/08	Posted - Aug 12 2014 : 11:50AM Never mind! Terrible article. Edited by - Smiler Grogan on 8/12/2014 11:52:47 AM [Link]
purepornfan Member Sometimes, not everything is Black and White. 127 Posts 5/14	Posted - Aug 12 2014 : 3:25PM We need more rough sex, period. Its a known fact that the average porn viewer is now more frustrated than ever with Vannila porn, a boring interracial scene is not enough anymore, all beauty and no fucking ability does not work anymore. The entire industry needs to re-evaluate the direction they are taking. Thank you [Link]
Bob Cobb Deactivated User 220 Posts 6/14	Posted - Aug 12 2014 : 3:32PM ^ And you, sir, are the spokesperson for the International Porn Fans Association, I presume? "It is a known fact?" Uh, no. It's your OPINION. [Link]

misspornUSA Senior Member I ♥ the male gaze (and Palestine). 8737 Posts 11/13	Posted - Aug 12 2014 : 9:07PM purepornfan wrote: We need more rough sex, period. Click to expand YES! [Link]
fundog Member 45 Posts 8/14	Posted - Aug 13 2014 : 5:45PM I think they could make a lot more money from each film if they shot it so it could be edited into two kinds of films. One for guys who like to watch straight guys in action and the other just regular woman centric porn. Straight porn for gay guys and regular porn, same film marketed to two demos. [Link]