I only have one star left in my hard drive that debuted in b/g porn before 2013. The rest debuted in b/g in 2013 or after. Which is another indication that in my opinion, porn is overall better now.
Still curious? You could make some money off that. 5 Posts 4/16
Posted - Apr 20 2016 : 11:11AM
I look for the old stuff from time to time. A little more passion. More or less erotic. I dig it either way.
[Link]
Zoiper2009 Deactivated User
575 Posts 3/14
Posted - Apr 28 2016 : 7:06AM
I hear you, but the problem with Georgina Spelvin, even back when she was popular at the time of The Devil In Miss Jones, was that Georgina, to put it kindly, was a basically homely looking woman. The Devil In Miss Jones was the first hardcore porno I ever went to see, and I remember thinking that it just made sense that to get a woman willing to do hardcore scenes a porn producer had to settle for hiring a woman that looked like Ms Spelvin. That's why Marilyn Chambers appearing in Behind The Green Door, less than a year after Miss Jones, created such a sensation, because Marilyn was actually a young woman pretty enough to have appeared on the Ivory Snow Soap box holding a baby, and yet she still was willing to do hardcore. To me, for a woman with woman scene to be truly erotic, and be a strong turn on, the women involved should at least be attractive. For example, for me, an absolutely scorching, and beautifully erotic g/g scene, is the one that Nella & Jo create in Viv Thomas's The Art of Kissing 3. And what adds to the heat and beauty of that scene is that the 2 ladies are obviously so comfortable with each other, and seem to so enjoy being so intimately affectionate with each other, that the viewer would swear that the 2 are actually in love.. It also doesn't hurt that not only are both women very pretty, but both of their gorgeously curved bodies never looked in better shape than the way they appear in that masterpiece of a scene.
Porn is so much better now BUT 2016 is the worst year of porn since forever. Millenials - triumphalism and entitlement rolled up into one oblivious package.
Less identical crap, more sleaze and bush! 2378 Posts 7/09
Posted - May 4 2016 : 12:29AM
Going through my Anita Queen collection for my morning fap today, still the greatest tits in the history of porn.. and I miss the variety of the settings, the outfits, and the camera angles.
Less identical crap, more sleaze and bush! 2378 Posts 7/09
Posted - May 4 2016 : 10:35AM
Oh yeah and something I really miss from the classics is multiple camera views, especially for the cumshot. With cameras I expect relatively cheap today surprised no-one is springing for or using a second camera, or even as have said repeatedly just use a mirror Eg. I love the view from behind of the girls ass as you can see her giving a hj/bj. This was prompted by the discussion of DVD and BR here, Why do certain companies still push DVD releases?, as thought the multiple angle capability of BR was going to be a huge boon for porn sales.
[Link]
FlacFan Deactivated User
10088 Posts 8/15
Posted - May 4 2016 : 2:32PM
Streaming and online really hurt BluRay. I think it would be a much bigger format were streaming not present. No one has really done that with porn, you are correct you'd think with seamless branching there would be massive opportunities to be creative. So far no one has. Regarding cameras, the low, budget end is about 160.00, so money really can't be the reason. I would guess BluRay authoring may be on the higher side, more so when it's easy to shoot 1080/4K and put it on the web. I'm FlacFan and that's my opinion Edited by - FlacFan on 5/4/2016 3:26:49 PM
Less identical crap, more sleaze and bush! 2378 Posts 7/09
Posted - May 4 2016 : 11:25PM
Thanks Yeah sorry 2 different things, user being able to switch camera views, and the producer of the video using multiple camera shots of an action, eg. cumshot, in the scene. On the first, I used to own a few of the My Plaything DVDs, I cant believe I sold them, and the Silvia Saint one was the best, and pretty sure I could switch from POV view of doing her anal to another camera view looking at her face and expressions which was hot as hell with the on top menu, and that was with DVD, though was a bit cumbersome. On the multiple cameras in a scene cool to know how cheap camera's are, $160 bucks, cheaper than I thought, but exactly what I thought with it so damn cheap no reason then really why couldn't setup another maybe on a tripod and leave it for the scene? Especially as often is the case of an editing cut before the cumshot as they move into position to have another camera for a different angle to edit into the scene.
Yes, the women are prettier today and I love HD, but porn was a lot more exciting when women had full bushes and hairy underarms (all natural in every respect), and looked like they could be "the girl next door".
The OP listed a bunch of the hotter women of this era but the late '70s and early '80s porn had just as many hot women. Many of those women quit performing with the onset of AIDs plus bad perms and crappy video productions hurt the industry for the rest of that '80s decade. Women today are more likely to have tattoos, to have fake this or fake that, and to perform in scenes that are near mirror images of each other---especially when shot in the same tired environs or with that abundance of white furniture and walls. tb PS---The classic flick Sex Boat has more lovely women than 4 or 5 of these gonzo productions put together.
"Pornography: That which excites, whether from approval or disapproval." ~ Leonard Rossite 2345 Posts 12/17
Posted - Dec 4 2018 : 10:00PM
^ You don't need lots of hair to look like the girl nextdoor.
[Link]
Zoiper2009 Deactivated User
575 Posts 3/14
Posted - Feb 9 2019 : 12:46PM
My favorite category (and 70% of my porn collection) is g/g, so from that perspective I strongly agree that Porn is SO MUCH Better Now. Saw the first hardcore g/g scene that I thought was erotic in 1986. Started renting an awful lot of adult tapes in 1987. Most were hetero, with the usual lez scene included.
As time went on, also managed to find more and more all girl tapes to rent or buy.
BUT, even with renting & buying many VHS tapes over the years, it wasn't til 1994 that I saw asshole licking in a g/g scene. That was in the 1993 all girl release "Chicks, Licks and Dirty Tricks". Pretty sure it was Tiffany Mynx doing the licking, but don't know name of woman whose asshole was receiving Tiffany's tongue. Anyway, you could say that I suddenly had a new fetish, because girl on girl tongue in the ass action, struck me as extremely hot.
Really glad that today, g/g asshole licking scenes are not the rare things that they used to be.
My other favorite girl to girl activity (I think that when it's properly, and SLOWLY done, it's AMAZINGLY HOT) is French Kissing, ESPECIALLY when it includes women sucking on each others tongues!! In the porn scenes of the 1980s, if that stuff even took place at all in a g/g scene, it was usually for a very brief time, and the women looked so hesitant about it, that you knew they weren't enjoying it.
But by mapofhawaii, having included Riley Reid and Dani Daniels on his 8 woman list to launch this thread, IMO he certainly hit the nail on the head, because those 2 women are modern examples of ladies who perform the once rare activities, which I just talked about, with definite gusto. Unlike the women of decades ago, those 2 ladies, in particular, definitely seem to be having a good time doing what they're doing. In most girl/girl scenes back in the 1980s, for instance, if any French Kissing occurred, at all, about 98 or 99% of the women doing such scenes, would only engage in such kissing for a few seconds, and then, quickly get away from it. Those women were obviously just "Gay for Pay", and really hated intimate kissing with another woman. But back then, I was just watching American g/g performers, which was 1 BIG problem, because I didn't yet know how much less sexually inhibited that Eastern European women have usually been, compared to American gals, for the last 40 years. However, in today's "New Golden Age Of Porn", us girl/girl porndogs are so extremely fortunate, because we now even have wonderfully reliable American girl/girl stars, like Riley Reid and Dani Daniels, who both say that since being in high school, they've always enjoyed sex with women, as much as with men. And that seems obvious from the way that both of these very feminine and beautiful young ladies gorge themselves on French Kissing, with other women, for long periods of time, as well as licking and sucking every intimate part of other women's bodies, as if thoroughly enjoying delicious ice cream cones!
And, as another girl/girl fan has written on this site, the beautifully sensuous, slow, and sexy, French Kissing that lovely women like Riley and Dani, love to engage in with other women, for long periods of time, is something that I could enjoy watching all day long, without ever getting bored!
Actually, Riley and Dani simply make the vast majority of American girl/girl performers from the 1970s, 80s, and most of the 90s, look truly pathetic, because Dani & Riley are so natural & comfortable on screen, that you'd swear that they'd be very glad to do what we see them doing, if absolutely no money was involved!
Yup, let's have 21 CHEERS for today's totally uninhibited porn!!!
Edited by - Zoiper2009 on 2/9/2019 1:03:32 PM
[Link]
Zoiper2009 Deactivated User
575 Posts 3/14
Posted - May 18 2019 : 8:08PM
My favorite category of porn is girl/girl. And certainly I'd agree with you that there were a number of hot women, like Cody Nicole, doing g/g scenes during the early 80s. And though, back in the day, I did enjoy viewing a number of g/g scenes from the early 80s, on VHS, what I always found VERY LACKING about 99+% of the g/g scenes from that era (which really pissed me off) is that the women simply wouldn't spend any significant length of time engaging in good old, tongue on tongue, French Kissing.
That told me that almost none of the g/g performers of that time were anything other than gay for pay performers, who actually disliked being intimate with other women. And let's be realistic, with any female couple in which the women are genuinely hot for each other, the ladies are going to indulge in a lot of slow, sensual, French Kissing. That's how you can tell that the g/g stuff of the 1970s and early 80s, was basically all fake.
But compare that with today, where we have pretty, feminine looking women, like Riley Reid and Dani Daniels, who both gorge themselves, for such long periods of time, on French Kissing with other women, and sucking their tongues (I LOVE THAT!) that viewers like me, ABSOLUTELY BELIEVE IT when Riley and Dani both say that they're bi-sexual, and may even enjoy making love with attractive women, more than they enjoy making love with men.
Yup, today's girl/girl porn, is FAR FAR BETTER than it was in the 80s, or even in the 90s.
You may be right as I'm no expert but I will have to disagree on the story part you mentioned. I friggin' hate a story, we all know what we're there for. When they try and add a story to it I'm like really? if I wanted watch something with good acting and story, I wouldn't be watching porn lol!
I also absolutely love g/g porn and while I agree that the bulk of the lesbian porn made in the 70's and 80's is lacking in many key areas. They still had some amazing lesbian porn scenes. I disagree with you that the 90's lesbian porn is as bad the previous decades because many lesbian scenes from the 90's hit all the right spot and some hit it out of the ball park.
Where you and I may disagree even more is the period in the 21st century when lesbian porn was beyond amazing. For me it's basically between 2001 and 2012 and if I want to be even more accurate than it's basically most of the movies Girlfriend Films made. Now I don't want to throw shade at any other lesbian studios who probably made just as many great lesbian movies in the same time period but since I had to buy dvd's to see those movies and only had a limited budget for my porn then once I found a studio who made great movies then I stuck with it until it didn't.
I know that there has been many great lesbians videos since 2012 but I find that each year they get less and less appealing to me and the main reason is that the one thing that makes a good lesbian video great is the way the performers kiss and sadly these days the way they kiss is simply sad to look at and what's worse is that it's even from performers that once did an amazing job of kissing other women.
While your taste may be more toward pure gonzo where it's basically a mix of people simply fucking. I think that if you stop and consider it. You might find that a story adds something positive to what was previously just some people fucking. One of the reasons why I prefer a story to my porn is that at some point it gets kind of tiresome to see the same performers do the exact same thing with the same performers they have done previously in multiple videos. Aside from the fact that gonzo tends to dilute porn to penises going into mouths, vaginas or assholes skipping over kissing, breast play and any other thing that used to be common in porn. It's getting harder and harder to distinguish one video from the others because except for some variation on camera angles and the order in which the penetration occurs. Most producers shoot the same type of porn.
At least if you have a story than you have to have characters, you have to have dialogue and you also have to have foreplay. Where all of these become a problem is when the producers don't know how to shoot those type of things or simply can't spend the time prepping for it. For me the best example of a producer being restricted by budget more than anything else is Bree Mills who's responsible for producing both Girlsway and Pure Taboo. You can see within the first couple of minutes where she is given the time to flesh out the story prior to the performers having sex on PT and where she isn't on GW. I love lesbian porn but prefer the stuff on PT because there is a developed story that's not in GW videos.
I don't expect that my post will change your mind but maybe you will decide to check out some videos where there is a well developed story starring the same performers you saw elsewhere doing the same thing they did there but where they aren't porn performers so much as characters.
[Link]
Zoiper2009 Deactivated User
575 Posts 3/14
Posted - May 24 2019 : 11:40AM
I realize this is a response to a post Harry Buddha Palm wrote 5 years ago, but I still wanted to address a couple points Harry made which relate to how porn has changed, over the decades. Though Harry's comments may have only been about b/g porn, and not about g/g.
But my comments will basically just be relevant to the area of g/g porn, and how it's changed, since I've never been much interested in watching a man doing an unbroken period of 10 or 15 minutes of pumping his dick into a woman. Since, when seeing good old fashioned, straight, b/g porn, I would usually feel like I was watching something that closely resembled an INDUSTRIAL FILM about PILE DRIVING!
Anyhow, I suppose that Harry's description of 70's and 80's porn as having been fun was mostly referring to b/g porn, because Harry would have mentioned it, no doubt, if he was a major fan of g/g porn, like I sure am.
Anyway, I certainly watched plenty of g/g porn scenes shot in the 80's, on videocassette. Although, a large proportion of that 1980s g/g stuff, which I viewed, actually consisted of the g/g material that so often appeared as the single token g/g scene, in what otherwise, was basically a VHS tape of b/g sex scenes, with 1 g/g scene thrown in, as a sort of bonus, for viewers like me.
So I'd like to specifically IDENTIFY the #1 REASON why I think TODAY'S video productions of Woman with Woman Eroticism are FAR, FAR BETTER than almost ANY of the g/g stuff of the 1980s, AT LEAST, when TODAY's quality g/g productions are featuring CERTAIN women, such as Dani Daniels and Riley Reid, who are PARTICULARLY GOOD at creating VERY EROTIC g/g love scenes.
And that REASON for the better of the g/g scenes being shot today, BEATING almost ANY 1980s g/g material, (the American made stuff, anyway) is because the American made g/g erotica of the 1980s SUFFERED FROM an almost TOTAL ABSENCE of French Kissing between the women.
Like many g/g fans, I could almost watch, all day, 2 pretty women engaged in doing some nice, open mouthed, tongue to tongue kissing, in which one woman, will even take the tongue of the other, into her mouth, and suck on her girlfriend's tongue. That's SO HOT to me!
But in 1980s girl/girl porn, unless it came from somewhere like Sweden, viewers simply weren't treated to scenes of any significant length of tongue to tongue kissing between women. And in the very few American made g/g scenes of the 80s in which the women started to engage in a little French Kissing, the women would quickly quit doing it after several seconds or so, because those porn performers OBVIOUSLY HATED being that intimate with other women.
However, in g/g porn scenes of today that feature Riley Reid, or Dani Daniels, for example, viewers are treated to seeing women who can't even seem to get enough of the MOST INTIMATE kind of kissing with their female partners. And THAT'S EROTIC.
Because, let's face it, in any relationship where 2 women are really hot for each other, they're very likely to enjoy engaging in a lot of very intimate kissing. And that's why the American made Woman with Woman porn of the 1980s, really STOOD OUT as BEING QUITE FAKE!
Huge fan of Keisha from the 80's - 2000's and other classic era stars. Too bad the scenes were short back then and often times the editing was horrible or good parts just cut out. See the Keisha & FM Bradley scene in 1988's "ETV", would love to see the raw, uncut footage on that one. Would have loved to seen Christy Canyon, Tracey Adams, or Keisha's scenes in today's technology & harder genres.
IMO The good... The movies today are way better as far as video quality, length of scene, acts are more explicit, MANY great looking women. Interracial is more mainstream.
The bad... Too many tattoos. Great looking women with obnoxious tattoos. Maybe too specific of genres in scenes, all the work to put together a blowbang with a gorgeous woman and no genital to genital penetration however brief, or not including the Black actors when the model does IR. Also annoyed with the porn becoming politically correct lately.
[Link]
Pr0nLover Deactivated User
247 Posts 1/19
Posted - May 24 2019 : 8:19PM
The industry is great today. The women are more gorgeous than ever before. The lighting and camera work tend to be consistantly good (remember the 80's? You sometimes couldn't tell which hole the dick was in due to the huge bushes and darkness). And everything is way nastier. However, my personal golden age was in the early 2000s when Red Light District and Platinum X were going strong. Back when you still had to actually show your face in an adult video store to get your porn fix. For me, the videos then had the perfect combination of beautiful, sexy stars, quality production work, nastiness (though I don't like DAP) and the girls weren't quite so cookie-cutter.
But that's just my personal opinion and in no way an indictment on today's industry. I can see someone making the argument that this is the golden age.
What Have You Done To My Little Cable Boy? 2966 Posts 5/10
Posted - May 25 2019 : 2:09AM
I'm afraid I see it the opposite way. The biz is dominated by one director and one male actor and I think both of them are incredibly boring. Every new girl, every comeback girl gets a contract with him. And the male actor is everywhere. He's really in every scene. I think I even saw him in GoT. Plus my former favourite studio turned into a vag only b/g studio. It's definitely not my golden age of porn.
[Link]
Zoiper2009 Deactivated User
575 Posts 3/14
Posted - May 30 2019 : 10:49PM
Assuming that your description, InstantClassic, of the current situation regarding b/g porn, is an accurate one, since I certainly possess no information which would allow me to differ with what you stated, then I have to say that the state of 2019's situation for fans of g/g eroticism, like yours truly, is a much better situation than that now being experienced by fans of b/g erotic productions.
Because, having been a serious fan of explicit scenes of woman with woman eroticism since 1986, for me, the way that top quality scenes of woman with woman lovemaking on video, are so easily & widely available today, has me definitely knowing that I'm now lucky enough to still be around during a true surplus of riches for g/g fans. IMO, g/g fans have simply never had it quite as good as we do now!
Porn is better today overall, but some starlets of the Golden Age such as Veronica Hart and Vanessa Del Rio are unsurpassed to my mind.
[Link]
Jaygatsby777 Deactivated User
1118 Posts 6/17
Posted - May 31 2019 : 5:00PM
I like that women today in porn are more natural with less fake tits. Also white women actually have great juicy bubble butts now because they work out more compared to the 80s and 90s.
Good point. I would love to know whether the ageless wonder, Nina Hartley, works out to maintain her fine ass.
[Link]
Jaygatsby777 Deactivated User
1118 Posts 6/17
Posted - May 31 2019 : 9:28PM
Pretty sure she always did. She's one of the few white women from that era of porn that actually had a great ass. Back then guys were obsessed with tits, nowadays it's all about ass.
But today the story is pretty much irrelevant, when the sex that follows is pretty much identical.. ie angry naked/couch/facial
1. BTS - Golden era movies Ginger Lynn talked about how they were together for the entire shoot of the movie so built a relationship with their performer instead of again as she put it wham bam thank you mam, and 10 minutes of intro isn't going to develop that.
2. Scene - Desiree Cousteau in Tales of Tiffany Lust (1981) getting fucked in a real bar surrounded by people with some of her clothes on. That feels more real than any of these 10 min intros before they do an identical sex scene to every other sex scene..
I had a look at PureTaboo and every scene is the same, some intro then both naked on a couch or bed, same as every other porn site, except seems to have a bit darker lighting. And just found a perfect example of exactly what I am talking about and not my words either..
A huge fan of Ella Knox and she has a scene here which has so much promise..
Pure Taboo.com - Ella Knox - Indecent Exposure PSYCHIATRIST MANIPULATES GIRL AFRAID OF SEX INTO SLEEPING WITH HIM
And PureTaboo has one a shitload of awards, when as many have been saying for years, enough of the identical naked/couch/facial scenes, it doesn't matter how much you tart it up with an interesting premise or story or intro when the sex is EXACTLY THE FUCKING SAME!
^---That Desiree Cousteau scene is terrific and there are other solid encounters in the Tiffany Lust flick.
I have reviewed 500 titles here on ADT and most of my highest ratings went to some (but certainly not all) of the classic films.
The gonzo makers must have hated me for I rarely gave them higher than a *** outta ***** due to those lazy, monotonous and unerotic scenes that most shot. Later on, I actually started giving compilations of gonzo scenes better ratings due to their bang-for-your-buck nature.
And feature companies were not exactly hitting the bull's eye with those Wicked movies trying to dance around adult themes coupled with condom use.
Near the end of my reviewing, the ADT screener list shut down so I decided to skip all the new stuff to instead focus on some older films worthy of my time.
Since I quit, the feature continued its decline and really the only way I see that returning in some meaningful way is for some creative female performer(s) to run with it; I do not expect much from these male gamer-types putting out the same ol' same ol'.
Back in the Golden Age of porn studios did not use BS marketing words like realistic or most real or true reality.
Reality = lack of editing because of laziness.
Since they were shooting on film there was less allowances for mistakes and the performers actually had to act. Scenes were planned out and I think that everyone was concerned with a better quality product. Of course, that all went to shit in the 80's when the regular public could afford a camcorder and everyone thought that they were a good porn director.
For sexuality and sensuality I would put Lois Ayres or Taija Rae up against any of the so called modern performers you view these days.
Fly Eagles Fly Super Bowl LII Champions Nova Nation 2016 and 2018 National Champions 5180 Posts 2/16
Posted - Jun 3 2019 : 11:09PM
Since I didn't see porn back in the day I think it is better today, just like music is. I'm not a fan of older stuff in general. I think the women in porn today are much better looking than in the past. Video quality is obviously better.
I do regret the passing of the porn feature where some care was taken to copy the format of a real movie and where there was some context and reason for the sex. And I agree that the likes of Pure Taboo are handicapped by the necessity of 'scenes' lasting a required length of time. A great deal of Gonzo stuff is tedious and un-erotic to me. I adore Angela White but once you've seen one blow-bang you've seen the lot.
But I think that at any one time that the majority of porn produced is mediocre or worse. This was true back in the 'Golden Age' too. All those loops back in the Seventies full of hairy bodies and emaciated Hippie types. Ugh. And there's a far greater range of fantastic looking women entering the industry nowadays and it's particularly good for those of us who love the more mature woman.
The problem with your statement is that it implies that these Golden Age porn movies are lost to time when you can still see plenty of them. That said. It's unlikely that anyone who is used to more recent porn will be happy with the video resolution of most classic movies. This is especially true of movies that were transferred to VHS and then digitized.
While there are some truly beautiful women today. I would still pick past performers but that may be more because they were able to stimulate me a lot more by their acting abilities and therefore weren't relegated to mostly great sexual performers.
Fly Eagles Fly Super Bowl LII Champions Nova Nation 2016 and 2018 National Champions 5180 Posts 2/16
Posted - Jun 6 2019 : 1:46PM
^ You are right, I would certainly not go back and watch any porn from the Golden Age. Its like music, I don't like 99.9% of old music. I never got into any classic rock bands. I saw some 70s and 80s porn many years ago when I came upon old VHS tapes and I think the women in today's porn (at least the ones I like) are much better looking than the ones I saw on those tapes.
Porn today is definitely better than the 00's and earlier. I would not want to go see old porn videos with bad quality or outdated camera work. I appreciate the high definition 1080p and 4k porn we have now to make the sexual experience look more realistic and erotic, and I agree that the girls and women today are much hotter. There has been a surge of extremely hot newcomers since the end of 2017 and it hasn't stopped ever since. However, I wouldn't say that porn today is any better than porn in between 2011-2015. That's a tough one for me. I kind of miss it when companies like BangBros, Evil Angel, Elegant Angel, Jules Jordan, Team Skeet, and Brazzers were in its true heyday. The industry is changing and more and more women are creating their own content with onlyfans, manyvids, myfreecams, and other platforms that aren't mainstream and there's a lot more to pay individually and a lot of these onlyfans or manyvids videos aren't that great. The most dominant company is this current era is Lansky (Tushy, Vixen, Blacked, etc.) which isn't a bad thing because without Lansky there's so many models we see today who would have never done a B/G scene or would have never done IR.
The fact that you didn't see porn (or much porn) from back in the day means you're probably able to judge it more objectively than the people here who tend to look back at the old stuff with rose colored glasses. If you were to press most of the people saying porn was better in the past (10 years or earlier) you'd quickly see that they aren't talking about porn as whole but specific studios/directors/performers and totally ignoring all the stuff they didn't like from that era. I'm pretty sure that for anyone who hasn't seen any or much of porn from the past and randomly picked some of it against randomly picked stuff from today, today's stuff is overall better shot. There's better looking women overall, the girls do more sex acts overall, the picture quality is far better, there's all sorts of specialized porn being done for a wide variety of porn watchers, and it's so much more easily accessible. Just like with music the newer generations wants to different stuff and music, movies, porn and other media tends to move it that direction to give those consumers what they want. Just as it did for the generation before even though every generation seems to always think what they liked is best/better. If movies, music, porn and whatever never evolves and changes it would get stale after a time. If porn was still being made the same way some people here are claiming it was at it's best, those same people would be bitching that porn sucks because they're tired of seeing the same thing.
^ Looking at your 9 lines above, I agree with 99% of it. I'll add 2 contrary points. 1. Nobody is a better judge of something because they have little or no familiarity with it. That's not logical. Yes, I get your rose colored glasses point. 2. I don't think women in porn today are more attractive than they have been at any point in the past. I'll be specific. I think there were more attractive women in US porn in the mid 1980s. The VCR pumped money into the business and brought in an impressive group. I'll use one movie to illustrate my point, Girls on Fire (1984). The cast included Ginger Lynn,Angel, Raven,Cody Nicole,Kimberly Carson, & Shanna McCollough. Beauty is always in the eye of the beholder. That said, I could not assemble a better looking cast from current US talent.
I think people who haven't seen any or much of the porn from the past can be a better judge because they wouldn't be looking at it with a bias. They would judge it mostly on what hey think of it based on quality vs the quality of it today. When it comes to something like porn a person doesn't need to be "familiar" or an expert of another porn era, they could just base the decision on what they think is good or better.You're clearly an older person who likes the look of women from a certain era. I've seen at least a couple of the girls you've named and they were probably stand outs in that era of porn but that's because overall the women of that era had a much smaller pool of performers and lots of the girls were average looking and below. Overall I don't think that era had better looking women. Today's performer pool is so much bigger with much more good looking coming in. I think many people like certain eras because the looks and styles just appeal to them more than today's. If a person doesn't like tattoos, the hyper-sexualized bimbo look, girls that look young, fake breasts, or whatever they will prefer some eras of pornstar over others. I know Ginger Lynn was a big deal in her day but looks wise she wouldn't make much of a blimp if that same Ginger entered porn today. The other thing is that there are so many "looks" in porn today. Some going for a glam look, some going for the fresh/natural look, some going for the over the top look, some trying to play up their youth, some going for a "goth" or heavy tattoo look, etc...good looking girls in all these categories but they aren't going for a look that puts them in the more "classic" beauty column.
But since this all subjective I'm sure you will disagree.
Fly Eagles Fly Super Bowl LII Champions Nova Nation 2016 and 2018 National Champions 5180 Posts 2/16
Posted - Jun 14 2019 : 1:44PM
^ I agree with you, the women are much better looking today than from what I've seen in the 80s. That being said there are just as many if not more ugly women in porn today but I guess you can say that about any era. I still think the performers today (at least the ones I like) are better looking than in the past.
I am 54 years old and I've been watching porn since the late 70s. I do tend to think that some (not all) people look back on the bygone days of porn with rose colored "nostalgia" glasses. IMHO porn was definitely NOT better back then, but I guess it just about what you like. I was 15 the first time I went into a porn theater. In my town we had two theaters. One was for regular movies and the other one was the older theater. Believe it or not, it showed porn during the week and on the weekends it was Kiddy matinees, Disney and kid shows (I know, crazy right?). We got some fake IDs and the ticket taker was, like, an 80 year old woman. We never expected to be let in, but she did. It was always a double feature, but the marquee never put up the names, Just "XXX". First time we got in there, the first movie was just some crappy ass soft core stuff. I remember thinking "Are you kidding me? This is all that porn is???" However the second feature was full on hardcore!! After about 15 minutes my friends and I had ALL moved to separate seats! LOL! However it did take a while for the movie to get going.
I just remember thinking "What the fuck is with all this story and set up? Just get to the fucking!! The plot is stupid and the acting is horrible!!" That was the way it was back then. Seems these porn directors thought they were "real" film makers (think Boogie Nights). If I wanted story and plot I would've just went to a real movie. All I wanted was something to get my dick hard!! Back then, yeah, there were some hot porn stars, but a good chunk of them were just godawful looking skanky-ass trailer trash looking girls.
I was so glad when the video age of porn started. Just show me some sex!! And even in the VHS age you still had to fast forward to the stuff you really wanted to see. I am an anal guy, 100%! That's what gets me off. I learned real quick how to hook up two VCRs together to just edit out all the extraneous stuff to make porn "best of" tapes that made great jacking material.
I thank God for the porn we have now. The chicks are so much better looking--hot, young, willing to do the most wonderful kinky stuff. I'll take today's porn over that old stuff anyday.
Sure, there is some of that old stuff I like to watch still--some of it was really hot--but I prefer today's porn.
I suspect your point may hold for fans of any genre.
I happen to like girls looking straight at the camera and talking to the viewer- a genre called "Jerk off encouragement" (JOE) which is subtly different from "Jerk off instruction" (JOI). Still another genre "Cum eating instruction" (CEI) starts off like JOI, but... let's just say it's not to my taste.
I'm guessing you've also seen the proliferation of sub-genres within GG. For instance, you mentioned that Dani Daniels and Riley Reid are really good on-camera kissers. I'm willing to guess that there are studios and directors who are really good at making erotic GG, and that there are sub-genres within GG that you don't like.
Similarly, as porn has become more socially accepted, more and more women are entering the business- including some incredibly sexy women. Each of sexpots has her unique looks and talents, which allows her to specialize at satisfying her fans. Some of them, including Dani Daniels and Riley Reid, have multiple talents, so they become big stars, but some of the specialists are stars to their fans.
That said, I understand some of the complaints with today's porn. To the degree that the proliferation of genres represents a proliferation of other-people's kinks, it makes it more likely that you will click on something that actively turns you off. (It's not just cum-eating that I can't stomach: Rimming, ATM, and gaping have ruined anal for me.) The fast-forward button means you can skip to the stuff you want to watch within a single scene, but now the producers make really long scenes with the intent that viewers will skip much of it. Finally, with the low barrier-to-entry, there is a lot of junk out there.
Long story short: Your point about erotic GG porn is well-taken, and it's an example of a larger trend, which is largely to the good.
I didn't mind the story, because I would make a night of going to the theater, and I would often watch the entire double feature. Hot girls in bikinis were enough to keep my dick hard, and I wasn't interested in edging for three hours.
When the VHS era came around, I would often rent a softcore and a hardcore title. I start with the soft stuff and move on from there.
This has continued into today. I sometimes use iMovie the way you used to use VCRs, so I might edit videos as a kind of porn foreplay.
It's much easier than hooking up two VCRs, and you can do a lot of other stuff. For instance, it's pretty easy to mix sound as well as video, and there is a genre called "Porn Music Videos" (PMV).
I totally agree with you. I can totally understand why that 70s era porn was made the way it was and I can appreciate the directors back then really wanted to make "real" movies but the end result just wasn't all that great. Especially for someone who just wants to see sex. I'm a fan of the women in porn and I have favs from different eras. I like Kay Parker, Sue Nero and a couple of others from that time because I like their look. I've bought compilation DVDs of some of those girls and I've got to say the way they shot sex scenes back then was lame. The actual scenes were only about 10 minutes long and of that 10 minutes we hardly saw any actual sex. Way too much time spent on facial expressions, too many shots not showing any actual penetration, and bad lighting. It seemed that the directors wanted to make a "real" movie and felt the sex was just getting in the way so they just wanted to get past it so they could get back to the lame story they were so excited to be telling. I guess I can understand people watching it back then because they didn't have much to choose, from but to look back at it now and say it was porn at it's best boggles my mind. I'm sure there was some good stuff among the bad but why sit through weak story, bad acting, women not so great looking, and barely there sex scenes and say it's better than what's being done today or even any era after that?
Introducing Kalani Luana
Posted - Apr 17 2016 : 1:47PM
