I need another few moments to catch my breath from laughter.

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You want hearsay? I hear some girls get $3,500 for a DP.
I've heard of girls who have made $20,000 in a (very busy) week.

I work freelance myself, so I know how relative it can be. The most I can usually make in a day is, oddly enough, equal to what some male talent gets paid for a scene ($800). But, that's a very good day.

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She just did an excellent job of explaining supply and demand, and business negotiation - without all the bullshit. :)

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But, please - don't pretend I am the next "Jenna" (even as nice as the intent behind the compliment is).

There is only one Jenna and she is so far past everyone else in this business that if we could cross our fingers, hold our breath, and count to 966,222,333,444,2222 we still wouldn't be worthy to touch the hem of her Jenna gown.

There isn't anyone close to her - not even within loud-speaker assisted distance.

Seriously, thank you for the compliment... but, if Jenna let's me blow an air-kiss towards her beautiful behind(printed on a long-forgotten poster), I will jump up and down in pure bliss. :)

But, to go farther into the topic at hand:

It is very cute to see a person posting who didn't even bother to comprehend what we were saying. You are still way to caught up in what a girl gets paid per scene instead what she earns as a whole per week, month, or year.

A girl who is making the most of her career isn't just measuring her income in a "per scene" basis, but in a per month basis (which is based on 1-13 different sources - please re-read what I posted).

Also, I feel like we have been trapped into discussing per "boy/girl no anal" scene rates, but, please keep in mind that a girl gets paid extra for what she does.

Two extra guys? Extra money. DP + an extra girl? Extra money as well.

If a girl does alot of DP scenes or multiple guy scenes, she is averaging per scene well above what people were thinking.

That might very well be a $1500 or $2000 or $3000 or $5000 payday - for just that one scene, depending on how many people she is doing (gangbangs are great!).

To figure out what a porn star is earning, you would have to a) total up her scenes, b) classify each scene by type, c) multiply each scene type by the usual dollar amount (except that she may be paid less or more than the usual because of who she is), d) add the amount you think she is averaging per month per "privates", per store sales, per web site memberships, per auctions, per custom videos, per appearances, per convention signings, per feature dancing appearanaces, per toy contract, and so on and so on....

A girl who shoots 10 movies and does nothing else may only make $10,000....

A girl who works hard all year (pulling income from multiple sources) may make $100,000 - $500,000 (yes, I know a girl who I think made over $500,000 last year from escorting alone).

A good, established porn star? She may only make $100,00 -$250,000 per year.

A Jenna? Millions per year.

And, then there are girls in the $50-$100,000 range, who are content to stay there.

Of course, remember... the girl who does 10 scenes and goes home or the girl who averages 1 or 2 scenes a month and isn't pulling income from anywhere else doesn't make a fraction of that.

There is a "low-earning" group, a "middle-income" group, and a "high-income" group. Just like in any other field.

Is this enough already? Can we start to investigate how much a "skronker" makes per annum instead?

Please?

How about we end with this: every porn girl makes a different amount per year - based on a multitude of factors.

Good enough?

(I feel like I am writing this for just one person - it seems everyone else got it already.)

As far as the teacher comparison - I, like Walter, felt that was a slap in the face of teachers. Teachers work far harder for their money than people think.

Having been around many of them, I can only shake my head at the comment.

Selena Silver - SelenaSilver.com

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There's no such thing as inexistence.

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Vincent: no, I wasn't talking about you... I understood what you were writing. :)

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I've seen cases of people like Lucy Lee or Jackie Moore.

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There's no such thing as inexistence.

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As one poster noted, a high-falutin' gal who dances can often make in a single night what she makes during a fuck scene...and her body doesn't get abused nearly as much.

Unless I was married to, or living with (not even dating, really)...I could give a rat's ass less what they are making. Like any job, if you don't like what you are making - you can always leave. Thank God I have a union to back me, and pay for all the toys I have :)

Reading the words "basic quench for my thurst for cum", well...I almost put a hole in my ceiling, lol.

I've checked in with some agencies for a simple solo photoshoot, and most tend to run me about $500-600 for the girl (how many hours, I don't know...4, maybe?). Now, granted, I'm not a pro...this is just something new I've looked into the expand my photography. Anything more is a bonus to me, since I'm not looking to shoot hardcore stuff at this point. Although, that said, funds permitting, I'd be willing to pay a girl the requested funds if reasonable (notice, no actual numbers mentioned - variables).

Figuring in payments for field staff & performers, I'd say the average porno is 3-4x what DVDdude thinks it is. Kami does an excellent job pointing out the specifics on page #2. You can't just account for what it costs to cover the few starlets who are taking it in the ass for a couple hours. If the performer or director isn't a contributing factor, I don't know WHAT is? Take notice how much more a Jules Jordan or Joey Silvera flick will cost you than other titles.

While sometimes the "genius" comes from the studio heads, there is nothing wrong with them being on the low side for a change. The girls, like laborers in a manufaturing company, are the real producers of the final product. Without the ass, the titties...the BJ's and the pussy (did I mention the titties?)...you have NO PRODUCT. So yeah, in many cases, the girl deserves to come out the shining star financially. As long as the company themselves isn't losing money. However, it's only the true ditzy-dumbasses who enter this industry thinking they are all going to be Jenna's...or millionaires by the time they are 30.

Selena Silver makes MANY EXCELLENT points (even if it contradicts some of the crap I've posted above, which by now I've forgotten most of - it's late, lol)!!!

Phew...my rant for this thread, so damn long-winded. Just my 3.5 cents

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Some guys like watching the guys and that is fine. But that is not what the target audience is believed to be doing.

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Plus many of the guys who shoot for wall-to-wall gonzo companies are directing themselves these days--so don't feel too bad for them.

Always agree with a girl who quotes Satan.

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But I guess you don't want to, because of the health risks, because of the social stigma, because of the short time this career lasts in most cases.

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I think women get more than men because they're the ones we want to see. Of course there are women into porn, too, but do they watch the guys as exclusively as we watch the girls? In this thread you'll see that some women describe scenes by mentioning the female stars only.
Additionally girls have more to lose than guys. Guys that have a lot of sex just can't help it, they're animals by nature and therefore excused. Girls don't need sex, so if they do it for money, they're worthless sluts. (That is not at all my opinion, but there are still places where this is public opinion even nowadays.)
I think men and women should be paid equally for the same work and risk. And I think female porn stars should be paid more than male porn stars because it's not the same work and risk.

Never tell your age to a girl who sits on your face.

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The risk factor is universal.

The first person to test positive for HIV durring an outbreak a year ago was a male.

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I'm sure there are a lot of guys out there that would do it for free. I don't think the guys think they are under paid. Most understand what we go through, I've never heard anyone complain.

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do we really want to turn this into a how Darren got HIV thread?

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I looked up some prominent male names at IAFD who are still working, and they all starred in like 300-500 movies each, not even talking about the likes of Peter North.

Also, it's not uncommon for guys to appear in several scenes per title, while a girl usually does one.

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Since you are a sex professional you are quite familiar with current research on HIV transmission risks and it would be superfluous to present you a link to the table on risk assessment published by the CDC available for the general public.

AFAIK he was the individual who brought the HIV in the "porn population".
(The people infected in the "porn population" were all female.)

The time or number of sexual contacts that a female to male transmission could occur was too short or too low until the presence of the virus in the population was detected.

Yet the time or number of contacts was long or high enough to lead to a few male to female transmission.

As expected from previous research more female individuals than male individuals were infected, when a male virus carrier was introduced in the monitored population of a group of female and male individuals who participate in mostly unprotected promiscuous hetero-sex and female homosexual sex.

Actually you are contradicting yourself.

But as I mentioned, I am sure your first statement was a quick lapse.
I simply refuse to believe that people who fuck for a living, have no fucking clue about the risks they take on their life and health and the health of their colleagues.

Insert smilies, or rather emoticons at will.
It ain't funny anymore.

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Never tell your age to a girl who sits on your face.

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You don't quite get it. My point is that it's easy for me but see if it's easy for anybody

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The common theme to this thread seems to be that men in porn are worthless and don't deserve as much $$$ for doing scenes.

This buisiness can be rough on EVERYBODY.

I'm also not saying that girls have it easy either. There is a lot of preparation and not eating and various anal prep rituals that women have to go through to do scenes and guys do not have to go through that. Girls all ready make more than the guys do and I don't think that should change.

All I'm saying is that for the guys it is very hard work.
People don't realize that we also get treated like dirt.
Guys are a dime a dozen and that's how they're treated.
Girls have more courteous treatment and I'm not saying they don't deserve it.

I'm not complaining and all of the good performers that I know don't complain either.

The only people that I know of that complain are fans that write on these threads.

It is a shame that girls don't have as much of a longevity as guys do. There are plenty of girls that I wish were still around.

For the most part the great performers know who they are and where thay stand and why they do porn. It's not fair on everybody, male or female.

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