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Adriana Sage is gorgeous, but I'm not sure she liked doing porn Cecilia Vega is outstanding. I loooove the faces she makes during her scenes. I have no idea why she didn't become a mega star. It seemed real obvious to me that tavalia griffin didn't really like doing porn.
Niki Sterling. Not that she wasn't a "star" during her time but I think she would have definitely killed it in this MILF dominated era. Johnnie Black was another very under rated performer that I think would have been a bigger star today.
Another factor when it comes to certain stars of the past being bigger stars than they were is timing/climate of porn when they were in the porn biz. There were nasty/extreme performers in the past that couldn't really live up to their potenial because what was popular in porn at the time. Someone like Debbie Diamond was a star in her porn era but imagine if a young Debbie was to enter porn today when more extreme porn is shot and there's more demand for it. Girls like Shanna McCullough, Donita Dunes, Ryan Conner, etc., who had big butts would've really shined in an era of porn like today where big/bubble butts have movies devoted to them.
Here's my short list of performers I always thought should be/could be bigger Aurora Jolie/Nikara Tia Tanaka Katie Jordin Eloa Lombard Taylor Barnes (can't believe she only did 2 scenes) Sarah Shevon Tiffany Rayne Mary Anne
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Posted - Jul 5 2013 : 9:59AM
Other than some mentioned, I'm adding Patricia Petite (as I always do when talking about criminally underrated porn stars). For the life of me, I don't know why she didn't turn into a sensation; she was cute, gorgeous-looking and did everything to meet the more hardcore standards of mid-2000s gonzo porn. Perplexing.
^ Patricia Petite entered in porn along with Roxy Roxx, Shyla Stylez and Judy Star , all Canadian , Roxy was involved in the AIDS breakout and all porn activity was stopped for a long while , with possibly the exception of Shyla none of them reached the star status they deserved , they lost momentum. I agree with you though Patricia was fantastic
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Posted - Jul 5 2013 : 6:59PM
^Interesting observation. Makes sense, because if I recall, around this time a lot of European stars were dominating American porn productions, which may've in part been due to it. Still, she was featured alongside many of them, and fan-reaction alone could get quite far... hmmm... Still, a loss of momentum due to outside causes is the best reason I've come across.
Sorry for not replying sooner. Hopefully you still keep track of this thread so that you see my answer. The first thing I need to make clear is that if your French is bad or non-existent than you will probably not be able to enjoy most of Oksana's movies since I don't believe they ever made it Across the Ocean. Unless I'm very wrong then I don't believe she worked for any studios that were not based in France. The below link is for her X-Star News page. You get links to most of her work as well as internet appearances. She still does cam shows based on the most recent post. http://www.xstarsnews.com/oksana-x-star.html
Two reasons why she did not make as big an impact as she possibly could have are that she was Canadian so working in the US meant she needed a work Visa and she was French Canadian so English was not a language that she appeared to be comfortable in. I know she could speak a few words in it but I'm not sure if she could have had a conversation with anyone in English.
A star that certainly made it but I've always wondered why she isn't a much bigger star that she is...Nikki Benz. She's got a contract girl's look and body and most of her performances would indicate she'd be best suited for that type of career. But even if she didn't go the contract girl route it seems like someone with her looks should be a huge hit in Gonzo porn. Yeah, she's had a solid career but it seems that she never reached the level someone with her looks should have. Any theories why?
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Posted - Jul 6 2013 : 11:47AM
^ Well, she did get side-tracked a bit with her bout with cancer (which, thankfully, appears that she did beat it). One of my issues with NB has been, IMHO, her non-stop over-the-top vocalizing. Maybe others find this annoying too?
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Posted - Jul 6 2013 : 2:19PM
^Huh? She had a very successful porn career - IAFD lists 158 titles, worked loads at all the top companies, and won an international porn award. That's more than okay, the way I see it. What more do you want?
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Posted - Jul 6 2013 : 2:54PM
^ What more do you want? That she would have kept herself in shape, and given us five more years. For her to just throw it all away, when she was right at the top, was just a shame. She was consistently among the fan's top 20 (e.g. Freeones searches) during most of her active career.
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Posted - Jul 6 2013 : 3:39PM
^Maybe, but as this is a thread about "porn stars that should but never made it", I don't think it applies that she wasn't a success. As you said, she was consistently in the fans' top 20s. She definitely did "make it". She bulked up quite a while after.
I would like to add Krystal Steal to the list of pornstars that never made it. She had a lot of hype behind her, everyone though that she would be the next Jenna Jameson, even Jenna said that she would be the next Jenna Jameson. What went wrong?
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Posted - Jul 6 2013 : 5:11PM
I don't think we disagree that she made it. I also said, "For her to just throw it all away, when she was right at the top, was just a shame." I'm of the belief that commentary is also appropriate here; it is not merely a thumbs-up/thumbs-down proposition to the exclusion of all else.
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Posted - Jul 6 2013 : 5:12PM
I'd also like to add Summer / Summer Alessandro / Alexandra Ivy, she first started out as a blonde under the name Summer, did a couple of B/G scenes then vanished, only to return as a much skinnier redhead under the name of Alexandra Ivy and performing only G/G ________________________________________________ Please ID these girls from PlayboyTV's Foursome show
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Posted - Jul 6 2013 : 7:11PM
Yeah, that's all good; don't get me wrong, I'm all for commentary, but you were picking up on a direct point I made to Danger Josh so I was just following on in that regard. I just found it very strange that her name was mentioned at all in this thread to begin with, regardless of her weight gain afterwards (which I heard rumoured she's in the process of losing right now anyway, so maybe she'll go back to before). She apparently had weight issues before ever entering porn; it's obviously an ongoing thing. Edited by - Dubious_Leftovers on 7/6/2013 7:15:34 PM
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Posted - Jul 6 2013 : 8:01PM
^ My recollection is that Carmella Bing went up and down with her weight during her performing career, not unlike Angelica Sin (of course Angelica Sin has had a much longer career). I'd love to see her take the weight off and make a cumback!
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Posted - Jul 6 2013 : 8:12PM
It did, but not as drastic as what we saw after. I think the XXXL version of her we saw relatively more recently, was something reminiscent of her pre-porn days. So yeah... definitely up and down. I too would want a full return from her at any rate.
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Posted - Jul 6 2013 : 8:20PM
I respectfully disagree...Daisy is a far hotter woman than Tori...people complain too much about Daisy's tat, but compared to what other girls have it was actually pretty awesome...and her one and only anal scene wasn't that bad, but you are dead on in saying that had she been more open to anal scenes she may have had an entirely different and potentially better career
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Posted - Jul 6 2013 : 10:39PM
Why would she have had a better career if she was open to more anal? I understand peoples love for anal here but it's not the be all, end all to a womans career. Lots of women have had a long and successful career without doing any anal, or only one or two anal scenes. Rachel Starr is a superstar and has been around for years and keeps getting more and more work. She's shot two anal scenes all that time. *End rant*
^ Same as Lexi Belle or India Summer both superstars but with very few anal performances (only 2 for Lexi) There's another who really should have made it but didn't : Tabitha / Tabitha Fox A Native American of Cherokee descent who was really stunning , for some reason she was considered as black and this may have narrowed her opportunities , plus she went in relationship with Jake Steed who allowed her to perform with him only and this narrowed her opportunities even more.
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Posted - Jul 7 2013 : 10:41AM
I don't think it's the number of such scenes that matters, if I'm bored of a chick's vaginal scenes and she suddenly does her first anal then my interest in her is renewed, even my interest in her vaginal scenes. I won't feel like her future scenes will be no different from her previous scenes , like I've already seen all she's ever gonna do. ________________________________________________ Please ID these girls from PlayboyTV's Foursome show Edited by - hoochimama on 7/7/2013 10:42:11 AM
I don't think anal is a must for a succesful/popular porn career but these days I'd say it does play a part. I think there are girls who are so goodlooking they can have a huge career getting by on their looks without the anal like some contract girls do. Or if they're a contract girl and their core audience doesn't care about anal they can have huge popularity. Then there are girls like Gianna who's performances were so great they were able to become very popular without anal. Ther are also girls who are popular in certain niches that they don't need to do anal....like some big boob girls, some MILFS, etc... But for some girls not doing anal regularly means they will never reach a certain segment of porn fans as this site prove. And those girls miss out many of today's biggest releases that would expose them to a big audience. A lot of the top studios output is anal themed and among the industry's biggest sellers. When a girl misses out on those releases they are missing the potential to build their fanbase. It seems that today's most poular girls are the ones who regularly star in movies from porn's big studios and many of those studios do anal themed movies.
^I completely agree with you that anal is not a must for a successful/popular career these days because I don't think it's actually possible for any woman entering porn today to have any kind of successful career. I'm afraid that ship sailed a couple of years ago and I'm not sure when the next one is suppose to leave. Clearly it's not in the immediate future. By default I also don't think that even the most beautiful woman willing to do porn now could get a contract. At least not the kind DP used to offer women a few years ago. There is simply not enough return on investment for companies to offer them lucrative deals. If DP was still willing to have contract stars then why is it that they haven't signed a new one in nearly 3 years. You would think that if contract stars were such a great way of attracting new customers and they could make more money with them that they would have found another beautiful young woman willing to sign a long term contract since Bibi. My view on anal is that whether people like it or not. It is probably one of the most popular fetish and usually the one that's usually requested of any woman who has never done it. That's why I think that if a woman isn't willing to do anal then she automatically closes many doors that other women walk through. I know it's not fair for those women because that wasn't always the case but then again Tube and Torrent sites hadn't yet gutted the porn industry.
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Posted - Jul 7 2013 : 12:47PM
^Torrent and tube sites really have hurt the industry, haven't they? I miss the days when you had superstars like Christy Canyon and people would be lining up to buy her newest video (video, not dvd). They were really considered stars. These days most people look at a pornstar as just a woman who gets naked and has sex on camera. It's a shame because girls like Stoya really have that aura about them that they're something special.
I agree with you up to a certain degree. It is certainly true that today it is much harder to get a star status , yet it is possible Riley Reid, Remy Lacroix and Skin Diamond aren't contract stars plus I would add Anikka Albrite, AJ Applegate and Mia Malkova among the newest , but there are many more. Unfortunately , putting aside piracy there are more different reasons for that. A pornstar career seem to be very short today , few months in many cases.When there is one producer who owns a great deal of the websites and DVDs companies the market is turn, they offer access to a variety of sites with just one subscription , good for us, but not for the stars. A subscriber can get many scenes of her , enough to satisfy himself and then go over whereas once, with limited access to the scenes, each subscriber unless bought many subscriptions, just could watch at a few of her scenes and was willing to get more if he liked her. many different sites hired a star because she was in demand and they wanted her for their customers , each of them wanted her for more than one scene , today after a tour to some of the sites they're done and gone because the one owner wants to change the offer and will hire new stars dumping them Also the customers weren't all the same for so many websites , so maybe those at site X liked star A , those at site Z didn't like her but liked star B, this way both star were working. Today the customers are all the same , and if they don't hit enough the button "watch" for star A she's doomed , the owner won't hire her. To this must be added that once there was a market exclusively made for DVDs what was in a DVD wasn't on a site and vice versa (or very little was available both ways),so the stars had a double career and was in demand for both markets, DVDs and websites,today most of what is issued on DVD is also available on a website, sometimes even before the official distribution. A star career isn't so different now , plus the owner of many featured companies is the same who owns the sites, so, again, if the customers aren't hitting the "watch" button the actress won't be hired for movies too. To all this you must add those comprehensive site who contain zillions of scenes for just one subscription or sell them to a very fair price, but the result will be the same, anybody with an attraction for an actress will get tons of scenes of any kind with her in a relatively short time, hence the shortening of their career. In many cases the shortage of work available lead to escorting and this could limit the stars further , if they are required but are already scheduled for a meeting they cannot perform, if they refuse too many times they will not be called many times more. To that must be added some work on the side , like feature dancing , this limit your opportunities if you're traveling to dance you can't shoot , if you don't shoot you need to dance to make a living.
Two really stand out for me. Anika Fox, a super cute girl who took it up the fanny with gusto a few times. She was in Assault That Ass 6 and really seemed to enjoy her work. The other was a girl from the early '90s named Darla Derriere, who apparently worked in the same gym where Where the Girls Sweat and Buttman's Ultimate Workout were filmed. Apparently she had a taste for taking it up her butt onscreen but had that taste satisfied after just a couple of shoots. If anyone knows about either of these two, please pass on the info.
I feel like Audrey Bitoni didn't really make it. I know she is popular at Brazzers and Naughty America. However, she doesn't have many DVD releases. All of her hardcore scenes are b/g. Her fan base is very quiet. Brazzers and Naughty America are the only two companies who book her these days.
One of my all time fav's that left too soon was Jasmine, aka Jazmine, aka Jazmine Rose. http://www.iafd.com/person.rme/perfid=Jazmine_br/gender=f/Jazmine.htm Only thing I didn't like about her was she did most her scenes with her then boyfriend Nacho Vidal. Not that Nacho is nothing to sneeze at, but by the 5th time I've seen you fucking the same guy, I've seen them all. My fave vid of hers is "Buttman and Rocco's Brazilian Butt Fest" where she fucks Rocco Siffredi. Nacho was also in the vid and I always pretended she was cheating on him during the scene to give me that extra kink in an already killer anal scene. She quite before her time and I hear she's a chef in New York now, hope she has a good life. Edited by - CRFlixxx on 9/3/2013 2:29:05 AM
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Posted - Nov 19 2013 : 8:05PM
I can't define 'made it'. Some performers just leave too early but some stay around a long time and get minimal attention and some are very prolific in a short amount of time. I can't pin it down.
right now i remember this beauty Courtney James I remember I saw her for the first time in a movie also featuring Tori Black. I really thought Courtney was gonna rock the porn business she was adorable but in the end Tori Black also very beautiful made it through. Courtney was beautiful but her performances were not that good and she never did anal on screen.
I just keep it simple and think of it as "Stars who I think should've a bigger careers or more success than they seemed to". Some girls work a lot but aren't as popular as I think they should be.
Not sure really what the criteria is here - Naomi, Natasha Nice may not be superstars, but they certainly garnered a fair amount of popularity in the biz. If this is about stars who should have been superstars, I give you: Lee Anna Heart A few that really went fast that could have been something had they stuck around: Annmarie Michelle Rikki Love Kelly Orion Susanna Britton (Golden Age)