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| broxyman Member 79 Posts 5/16 | Porn's got so formulaic, dull and boring over the last few years, largely thanks to the big American studios. Same old routines (bit of foreplay, blowjob, vaginal sex, anal sex, cum on face etc etc etc), same old tired storylines. Same old, same old. Just occasionally a studio comes up with a novel idea for something a bit different, but not often. The girls look bored and tired, and no wonder. Are there any ideas out there to freshen things up a little with something genuinely new and different? I'm bored with porn, and that's not a good state to be in. :) [Link] |
| lurkerbrah Deactivated User 285 Posts 6/17 | |
| ninja1 Senior Member 2939 Posts 1/08 | Webcam models and clips sellers are where to find original porn, because those creators have an interactive relationship with their fans and learn what their fans like about them and what their fans want to see. |
| A_Fan Deactivated User 1187 Posts 9/16 | If i want to introduce a woman to harder gonzo sex, DPs, DAPs, blowbangs, she is the go to director. The women are glorified in her scenes and show how amazing it can be for a woman to push her sexuality. A lot of gonzo porn from male directors focuses on the submission and/or humiliation aspect while Mason does it a different way. Edited by - A_Fan on 10/28/2017 10:39:32 PM |
| broxyman Member 79 Posts 5/16 | American porn is now so deadly dull you could fall asleep watching it, and that isn't the way porn should be. Maybe that's why incest, urination, scat and other previously 'niche' tastes are so well catered for now - people have got bored with all the run of the mill stuff. |
| Zingerbrook Member 580 Posts 3/17 | 2) There are several lucid and articulate interviews out there with performers where they discuss the practical elements of scenes as well as the physical sensations of they enjoy. I'd like to see that kind of interview as part of an actual scene...an interview conducted as the scene is taking place. 3) "Meta" scenes where the viewer is made aware of directorial instructions, gets to see performers in-role/out-of-role, and is explicitly made aware of when and where a recording starts and ends. I am not talking about BTS features. This would be 90% of the standard scenes already being released but with the 10% addition of the time before and after a 'record' button is pressed. Perhaps sometime like the taping of the Seinfeld reunion on Curb Your Enthusiasm. 4) Excellent audio. Consistent audio levels throughout a scene. Reduction of ambient noise including room echo. Audio clarity in terms of what the performers are expressing or saying at all times throughout the scene. |
| Soapy Suds Member 628 Posts 9/13 | In the last year, I have been favouring old porn from the 1980s,'90s, 2000s. But more often 2008-2013. Often it's the only thing that excites me. I dunno what it is. I think the performers back then were more in to the sex. The directors cared about a shot. About angles and content. Now there are far too many UNFUNNY storylines proceeding the sex. Too many porn stars trying to act, when they should be doing what they're there to do. Have sex. And enjoy it. And stop faking. And stop hiring people who clearly do not want to be on set, never mind have sex. Stop hiring sh*t cameramen and editors, and directors. It's all crap. RANT OVER... ...for now... |
| pornpassword Deactivated User 2 Posts 10/17 | |
| MorganKane Senior Member 6037 Posts 10/10 | |
| Zingerbrook Member 580 Posts 3/17 | |
| darthroc Member 754 Posts 4/14 | |
| SteveX Member 534 Posts 4/17 | A lot of the same step-porn and tbh I don't see why. I prefer William H, Mason and JulesJordan gonzo / (tease & fuck) porn and I do like the odd storyline porn as long as it isn't stupid like step-porn. It also depends whether the performers are in to it, you get a lot of women / new performers now just "taking it" and it looks bland, lacking passion / enjoyment from the parties involved. I'm usually immediately into a new performer who enjoys being on screen getting fucked. |
| broxyman Member 79 Posts 5/16 | Plenty of tried. Max Hardcore tried and found himself in prison. Bryan Gozzling produces a very similar product but says it's sufficiently different not to find himself in prison. I'm sure there are others following a similar tack too. Certain production companies stand out as being just that little bit different, but there aren't many of them, and their products aren't really that much different anyway. Clips4sale has an incredible range of very different stuff covering pretty much every fetish under the sun from Daddy's Girl, through Dishwashing, Diaper, Doll Fetish, Duct Tape, Grannies, Hula Hoop, Human Furniture, Incest, Nose Pinching, Peeing, School Uniform, Sneezing and pretty much every little fetish and perversion known to man, and woman. But it comes from a variety of sources I guess and no one producer stands out. Part of the problem is that new girls start off with enthusiasm but after countless near-identical formulaic sessions they inevitably get bored - and that really shows. Check out some of the old Scandinavian stuff from the 1970s and you can see how much the women enjoyed what they were doing. Doubtless they got bored at some point too, but that was when the studios moved on to other edgier stuff to keep the punters coming back for more. The American studios don't seem to have learned that lesson. The girls are all bored, the cameramen are bored, the directors are bored, nothing moves on, and we're all bored. Maybe we need more stuff like Clips4sale - it won't all be to everyone's taste, but at least it's different! And the women don't all look bored! |
| InstantClassic Senior Member What Have You Done To My Little Cable Boy? 2966 Posts 5/10 | |
| jm6d Member 417 Posts 2/11 | As regular porn without more extreme variations (scat, animals &&&&) is not so varied either in sound or views (sexual organs and a few other body parts enjoying a meeting), it's primarily the setting that can be varied. Therefore two suggestions: Comedy. Many, at least when writing erotica, has imagined "Married with children" with sex really occurring. Imagine comedy of that quality with real sex in it. Travel. A pornographic travel show where your guides fuck around the world, where every sight shown is also fucked in. It would probably be impossible to arrange - but imagine the fuck in the Eiffel tower with Paris down below. |
| roost Member 56 Posts 7/15 | I think in general porn producers have regressed from the experimentation of the 2000/2010s and that is a real shame. Where are the successors to Dancing Bear, American Bukkake, Bang Bus etc? The crazy experimental ideas? Like people have said above, I would like to see more female directors and directors who show more creativity and can think outside of the (literally) white box that porn seems to be stuck inside of. |
| broxyman Member 79 Posts 5/16 | Anything that adds a bit of realism would be good too. Outtakes are good, but rare, and some behind the scenes stuff would be good too - just to watch what happens in reality, rather than the glossy final, cleaned up version. You know the sort of thing - failed erections, penis in the wrong hole, premature ejaculation, torn panties, sperm in the wrong place, accidental pee, messy clothes, falling off the bed..........the list is endless. Real life! |
| Anal-Porn Archivist Member Ass-obsessed 274 Posts 2/15 | But I don't see any studio that will spend so much money for porn movies today. As for Pierre Woodman: It's sad that he lost all his artistic ambition. The quality of the stuff he shoots today is so far below his Private movies, nobody could ever guess it's from the same director. |
| Lenny Voyeur Senior Member It's the ass, stupid! 8504 Posts 2/07 | Back in the day when Pierre Woodman worked for Private, he made a lot of ambitious films which were shot in many beautiful locations. They combined high production values with hot sex. Together with the films of Jean-Yves LeCastel (which were less ambitious but had a higher percentage of anal sex) they were my favorite porn back then. The only thing that keeps me from still watching them is the fact that they look shitty on modern viewscreens. But I don't see any studio that will spend so much money for porn movies today. As for Pierre Woodman: It's sad that he lost all his artistic ambition. The quality of the stuff he shoots today is so far below his Private movies, nobody could ever guess it's from the same director. [/quote] Agreed. You can add Mario Salieri and Marc Dorcel. In Germany they had Magma Production as a counterweight to GGG Thompson jerk off productions from the late 80´s to the early 00´s. But to be honest. I mean we had this discussion earlier in this forum when others complained about the Golden Age of Porn. When I recap the years the most important button of the remote control was (and still is on the screen 2day) the fast forward. Do you really watched some of this high quality movies from the very beginning to the very end or even one of this 65 minute scenes nowadays? The good thing was that the scenes never lasted longer than 20 minutes. Imo we need a larger variety of actors. Cause if you ve seen your favorite star in your favorite niche, let´s say anal, for the first time you can watch this scene and maybe the next 2 or 3 scenes completely or almost completely because she improved her capacity or gapes but after a while you need something or someone new. Sp I don´t need new or different stuff but new actors. Every new stuff is acting, not reality, in the end. They get paid for it. |
| misspornUSA Senior Member I ♥ the male gaze (and Palestine). 8737 Posts 11/13 | |
| Anal-Porn Archivist Member Ass-obsessed 274 Posts 2/15 | And besides: There will never be enough attractive and talented female performers to satisfy the viewers who always demand new talent, fresh faces etc. |
| Lenny Voyeur Senior Member It's the ass, stupid! 8504 Posts 2/07 | |
| broxyman Member 79 Posts 5/16 |
Plenty of new talent and fresh faces in Eastern Europe, even if there isn't in the US. Better, more switched on, porn producers too. |
| DVDstuff All-Star Member 2966 Posts 9/14 | Kelsi's best scene ever was the first one of her that I saw. She fully played up her ability to do gymnastics moves, and kept telling the guy in the scene she could stretch even farther. Since then she's done her upside down splits trick a lot, but she's been thrown into the same frame as all other models before her. Let's have her do this handful of scenes that a couple dozen stars did and presto she's a mega star. How about let that girl grow in some way gradually and not try to shoehorn her into all the traditional "1st" that the industry lives and dies by. This is because too many production companies either A) fairly and easily exploit the true talent of the performer or (B) ignore something that fans are screaming for online for the model to do. Worse yet (C) treat her like a couple of holes and try to turn her into something her fans do not like and don't recognize. I've seen some good work out of Kelsi including her DP scene with Mason. Excellent and top marks! Bella Bellz, as far as I saw, was never used correctly. She was/is friends with Jada Stevens who reportedly found her while she was a feature dancer. I could be wrong, but at what point was there ever a scene or scenario setup to have her in a strip club, with other big name talent who dance, showing us her skill. She eagerly locked into big name production companies because of the money and her relationship with Jada, and just did a ton of cookie-cutter scenes that just focused on her massive backside. Focused, but didn't play into. She has mad oral skill, yes. But the lack of interest in having her find chemistry with a male partner was just sad. Let's just splash oil on her ass. That fade was great 10 or 15 years ago, but I've grown up and want to see something new!!! I could be wrong, but did she ever work with anyone like Burning Angel because of her tats? Daisy Stone could be someone who is too soon to tell, but her asset is her thick and simply juicy backside. And one director has already changed her hair style like that's going to help primarily men, who watch these scenes, recognize her!!! If you bring in a model and then attempt to change her looks before she is known by more than just her fans you're not going to build her fan base the way you think. Are these directors just immune to the understanding that a phat ass should be spanked, rimmed and anal done on them properly?!?!? Jules Jordan used to do this with the Ass Worship line, but it devolved into the "it" girl, who in no way had a big ass or even enjoyed anal, to do a scene instead of the first 6 initial releases that was out of this world!!! Yoga pants aren't always the way to go and since there is an overwhelming saturation in our society for them for everyday women to wear the realistic angle is overblown. Yes, we totally want to see a woman in yoga pants, but the lack of realism when it comes to how they're worn is totally there. I see women in yoga pants, a t-shirt and a jean jacket all the time. Women aren't constantly at a yoga studio or some typical scenario as they put it. And the tease factor is non-existent! Chemistry is sadly missing nowadays, if it were ever there to begin with. It's always a "porn" scene and about raw lust. Sadly, the passion is never there for kissing of any sort. It's never attempted to be a meeting or get together. The more little vinettes are used the more they need to portray a long, drawn out interest in their partner, the more they need to have a scene with there's a secret kiss or a scene where a girl in yoga pants let's the other person see her ass. How many people have an instant random and out of this world hook-up in our everyday lives? Fantasy is one thing, but ... THERE'S NO TEASE! I'm a big fan of Blacked.com and have seen some things they've done that has impressed me. The traditional "wait right here, I'll be right back tease" where the talent follows the girl into the bathroom and scene takes place there for a good ten minutes. Good idea! Moving it into a shower could work more too. But some things can also be added for more spontaenous scenes and are not there. How about this ... couples fucking like porn stars. Let me explain. We always get the crazy scene where both parties are going at it like animals. They're usually strangers, but no one seems to be able to bring this together for couples in some fashion. But all of these questions are for not because the people with the money look at their stats and rarely given a flying fig about the suggestions from fans. |
| a_2011 Deactivated User 307 Posts 10/17 | I hate when they re-shoot the same pornstars 100 times at the same site like : Alex grey , Angela white reasonable there is no other pornstars. 2017 is a Few scenes Girl/Girl/Boy anal Hardx only one scene only tushy shoot more girl/girl/boy anal But the last two scenes look like Mike Adriano scene Edited by - a_2011 on 11/14/2017 2:37:41 PM |
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| TranceFeral Member She is more then meets the "all-seeing eye" 52 Posts 8/16 | Also Kink.com has lot of creative ideas and concepts, but the problem is that their execution leaves a lot to be desired. If they could redesign certain elements of their outputs then they could easily become a force to be reckoned with. |
| broxyman Member 79 Posts 5/16 | I don't know how the pay structure works (someone enlighten me?) but maybe pay more to new entrants to encourage them into the business? |
| DVDstuff All-Star Member 2966 Posts 9/14 |
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| PIERRE WOODMAN Senior Member The Atrax 1487 Posts 8/15 | _____________________________________________________________________________________________________ It's just because I am enough "cameleon" to adapt myself to the world where we are !!! Today most regular producers ( not the puppets from big piracy entities ) have problems to get back 1000 $ on any thing they produce and you don't understand why a guy like me can't shoot anymore big productions ??? X-calibur has cost 800 000 euros 10 years ago when there was still a DVD distribution. We did 520 000 and lost 280 000 so how much you think today will come back , nothing and thank you the pirates and all people supporting those thieves. Actually, except Marc Dorcel because he has a huge network of telephone company and TV working with him, most other people who invest in porn big budgets are mostly just cleaning the dirty money from tubes. I am a simple producer using sometime the money from my other business to support my website. Each year is more difficult and I will probably stop this business in 2019 if nothing change because very few people want paid for porn in these days ... PW |
| TranceFeral Member She is more then meets the "all-seeing eye" 52 Posts 8/16 | LANSKY? uhm how about NO FUCKING WAY!!! that guy is 100% incapable of directing anything that's even remotely interesting. Brazzers on the other hand, prove themselves time and time again that they the most equipped and well-versed in the industry. And the last thing we need in porn right now are a bunch of fresh-faced amateurs and library girls getting even more attention for their shallow appeal. Especially now, the legendary Veronica Avluv is in retirement. Don't get me wrong though, I absolutely love a young fresh spinner but only when they come as epic and thunderous as say: Gina Valentina, easily one of the most alluring girls on planet earth right now. Edited by - TranceFeral on 10/31/2017 4:41:59 PM |
| misspornUSA Senior Member I ♥ the male gaze (and Palestine). 8737 Posts 11/13 | |
| Anal-Porn Archivist Member Ass-obsessed 274 Posts 2/15 | I know the economy in porn has changed. I said that in my post. But other producers nowadays create much more attractive stuff than you do. For example, Mike Adriano, or LeWood or the people behind the Perfect Gonzo website, to name but a few. Their movies are hardly award-worthy, but professionally shot. And you can watch their movies. I can't watch the stuff you produce today. And that's a pity, because you have proven your great talent in the past. And you certainly could produce much better stuff even in today's economy. You just seem to have lost your ambition. |
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| Zingerbrook Member 580 Posts 3/17 | There are some older threads here on ADT that discuss JOI in excellent detail. The challenges stated are typically in relation to acting/performer credibility and satisfying viewer tastes that are apparently very divergent. However, I notice that there is a formula to well executed JOI scenes, and that could also be extended to virtually any type of porn scene. In fact, it can be accomplished with voiceovers. Basically (and sorry if this sounds crazy), the most popular JOI scenes seem to have a lot in common with Mr. Roger's and how he used to talk to the camera. Hear me out: FUNDAMENTALS: - Talking directly to audience (obviously) - Acknowledging that the viewer is the viewer, at home and not pretending that the viewer is on set or encouraging the viewer to imagine being on set. The viewer is absolutely watching TV. SCENE DIRECTION: - Sparse Dialog One...one sentence on what is happening in the scene. One sentence on how the performer feels about it. One sentence directed at the viewer (sometimes a question about how they feel) - Action Without Dialog (max of ~2 minutes---important) - Sparse Dialog Two (with action ongoing) - Action Without Dialog - Space Dialog Three (with action ongoing) - (etc) - Repeat to end of scene FEEL: - Calm, matter-of-fact, almost monotone voice (note: easy to act) - Slow diction - Overall dialog focuses on making it all feel "OK" to the viewer and normalizing what's going on - Dialog specifics seem to vary, i.e. the above three points hold true, but the words can vary from gentle to humiliating or anything in-between - The most popular scenes seem to be only solo female or POV hand jobs (in general), but really all of the above could be extended to any type of scene. JOI could also be accomplished as a voiceover to existing scenes Edited by - zingerbrook on 11/1/2017 1:50:51 PM Edited by - zingerbrook on 11/1/2017 1:54:26 PM |
| PIERRE WOODMAN Senior Member The Atrax 1487 Posts 8/15 | ______________________________________________________________ I agree, her casting with anal will come soon on my site !!! ___________________________________________________________________________________________________ That's bad news, Pierre. I still see you as one of the good guys in porn! One of the few with nice looking, new, not stupidly overmadeup, tired-looking girls. Your girls look interesting - and interested. So many do not, and I see that as a key part of the problem. ___________________________________________________________________________________________________ Thank you, I wish people to understand more all real porn producers are doing porn as a passion first and they need support or their sites can't stay alive. Soon all this industry will be under control of two or three persons owning all the piracy of this planet, which is insane ... PW |
| TranceFeral Member She is more then meets the "all-seeing eye" 52 Posts 8/16 | No please, Pierre just... don't. You truly are something unbelievably deplorable, you know that?. All we know you for is your garbage content and your pitiful claims to moral supremacy. I've seen you hating on Legalporno, simply due to the fact that they're smart enough to diversify their income. Meanwhile they are more meaningful to porn in half a day then you are in you're entire career. They have made Prague into "the heart of Europe" and are at the very forefront of keeping it great, cause you know in some parts, it doesn't look all that promising nowadays. Sure, they also make more then enough things that make me cringe at my core but I define greatness on behalf of prime material and at that, they've got such marvel to show. You bitch about piracy and how porn is not making you enough money, while showing an astonishing lack of knowledge of self for not looking at the truth of the matter: you're content is simply not worth paying for, period. The only directors I've heard complaining about piracy, are you and Mike Quasar and the most obvious thing you'll have in common is the fact that you both represent sheer garbage. So please, end your career and I'll gladly forget you've made porn in the first place. |
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| roost Member 56 Posts 7/15 | [/quote] Kink.com has a TON of ideas that should be carried over to other production companies. Move a lot of them over to Blacked and oh boy would that be interesting. Kendra Sunderland in a Public Disgrace scene would work a hell of a lot better than the blowbang she did with Blacked. [/quote] I agree - and this is coming from someone who doesn't actually like the type of sex that Kink focuses on. What makes them great, in my opinion, is that they successfully focus and grow a niche type of porn that many people want to see and they do that with creativity and relatively high production values while respecting their performers and fans. And their shoots cannot be confused with any other studio. How many other studios can claim that? Other sites or studios that do the same thing within a particular niche: BlowbangGirls, SpermMania, Blacked, Dogfart to name a few. I think concentrating more on a niche and doing it to the best of your abilities will also generate a more loyal fan following willing to pay for your product, plus clips on tube sites will be more original and reconizable as your own output, driving fans to your site. I would struggle to differentiate between an average Bangbros, brazzers, Mofos movie these days. |
| broxyman Member 79 Posts 5/16 | And yet the producers say it's not working - there's no money in porn any more. Controversial viewpoint, sure, but do we just need gentler sex, where performers enjoy each other rather than one of them humiliating the other? And perhaps a believable storyline? I liked the sex sitcom idea, where the main characters have sex with each other, rather than just chatting etc. Friends - with sex. Little House on the Prairie - with sex. M*A*S*H - with sex. Modern Family - with sex. Endless possibilities! |
| misspornUSA Senior Member I ♥ the male gaze (and Palestine). 8737 Posts 11/13 |
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| BlackSix All-Star Member pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07 |
What all porn needs is passion and imagination. The best modern porn captures passsion but imagination is in short supply because features and vignettes are in short supply. Vignettes also tend towards the truly half assed and unimagimative, Brazzers being the worse offender. Gerard Damiano said a long time ago that there is only so many sexual acts and ways of shooting them, his solution was to explore the deeper sexual psychology of a scene which he did very well in his best films like Devil in Miss Jones and Odyssey. Today the idea that more DAPS, DPs, gapes or whatever is some cureall for creative exhaustion seems deeply misguided. We had all kinds of craziness during the Red Light/Anabolic years and I don't think that mechanical, poorly shot material has aged well at all. |
| jks1 Member A round ass and big natural tits on a small frame are pretty hard to beat 103 Posts 9/17 | There's quite a long interview with her and she comes across as very natural and real, talking about her upbringing, visiting places she grew up and describing her life and of course sexual experiences and when and why she got into porn. The best thing is that it doesnt come across as fake or cheesy at all, its genuinely interesting. There's some interest backstage/pre-scene talk with directors, including Darkko that again is really interesting, seems genuine and a nice insight into what goes on before and during a shoot. I'm a big fan of Katrina so once it gets down to the porn itself I'm happy, especially with Darkko behind the lens for one of the scenes. Absolutely worth a watch if you're tired of all the same old same old formulaic content out there and looking for something fresh. This certainly had me engaged during the non porn segments and made the porn itself that much hotter once you got to know her and the other performers a little better, particularly when they described what it's like to shoot a scene with her. "Her pussy is like butter, its really hard not to cum" - Markus Dupree |
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| broxyman Member 79 Posts 5/16 | I still struggle to dissociate it from Max Hardcore in many ways, and it's an example of the less pleasant stuff I mentioned earlier (sorry, Bryan) but I suppose dull isn't the word you'd attach to it. I do wonder, though, what the women really think about what they have to wear, the way they look, and what they go through. |
| jks1 Member A round ass and big natural tits on a small frame are pretty hard to beat 103 Posts 9/17 |
Just looks like an ordeal for the girls involved and does not turn me on in the slightest. Agree re the Max Hardcore comparison |
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