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broxyman
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79 Posts
5/16
Posted - Oct 28 2017 : 12:16PM
Porn's got so formulaic, dull and boring over the last few years, largely thanks to the big American studios. Same old routines (bit of foreplay, blowjob, vaginal sex, anal sex, cum on face etc etc etc), same old tired storylines. Same old, same old.
Just occasionally a studio comes up with a novel idea for something a bit different, but not often. The girls look bored and tired, and no wonder.
Are there any ideas out there to freshen things up a little with something genuinely new and different? I'm bored with porn, and that's not a good state to be in. :)
lurkerbrah
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285 Posts
6/17
Posted - Oct 28 2017 : 12:29PM
More women in charge of porn studios. I believe they tend to think more outside the box.
ninja1
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2939 Posts
1/08
Posted - Oct 28 2017 : 4:42PM
I think American studio porn is doomed to be forever same-same because so many standard practices have been ingrained for so many years, and new studios can't/don't think anything needs changing except for deciding on a theme/niche and/or discovering new women. Also probably there is fear of alienating viewers who have been feed a steady diet of same-same porn and who have been trained to expect certain standard things in their porn.
Webcam models and clips sellers are where to find original porn, because those creators have an interactive relationship with their fans and learn what their fans like about them and what their fans want to see.
A_Fan
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1187 Posts
9/16
Posted - Oct 28 2017 : 10:37PM
I would LOVE to see more female directors in gonzo that could give us the kind of work Mason gives. Or even half of what she gives as she is a legend.
If i want to introduce a woman to harder gonzo sex, DPs, DAPs, blowbangs, she is the go to director. The women are glorified in her scenes and show how amazing it can be for a woman to push her sexuality. A lot of gonzo porn from male directors focuses on the submission and/or humiliation aspect while Mason does it a different way.
Edited by - A_Fan on 10/28/2017 10:39:32 PM
broxyman
Member

79 Posts
5/16
Posted - Oct 29 2017 : 12:50PM
Some of the Eastern European porn has a much fresher feel to it - much as the Scandinavian/German porn did when they revolutionised the European porn industry by legalising it (with the notable exception of the prudish UK) back in the 60s and 70s.
American porn is now so deadly dull you could fall asleep watching it, and that isn't the way porn should be.
Maybe that's why incest, urination, scat and other previously 'niche' tastes are so well catered for now - people have got bored with all the run of the mill stuff.
 
Zingerbrook
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580 Posts
3/17
Posted - Oct 29 2017 : 2:53PM
1) In a large amount of M/F porn scenes, the male performer appears to take the lead. That is not to say the female performer is passive, but she is often not (apparently) leading the male overall expect in limited circumstances (such as guiding his head during cunnilingus). In this, I would like to see more female-led porn. I am not talking about niches such as femdom or CFNM--I'm talking about standard hetero scenes. As an example, in G/G scenes (the newer kind, such as at Girlsway, SexArt, etc), there is often one woman who takes more of the lead. I would like to a woman take that role in a hetero scene.
2) There are several lucid and articulate interviews out there with performers where they discuss the practical elements of scenes as well as the physical sensations of they enjoy. I'd like to see that kind of interview as part of an actual scene...an interview conducted as the scene is taking place.
3) "Meta" scenes where the viewer is made aware of directorial instructions, gets to see performers in-role/out-of-role, and is explicitly made aware of when and where a recording starts and ends. I am not talking about BTS features. This would be 90% of the standard scenes already being released but with the 10% addition of the time before and after a 'record' button is pressed. Perhaps sometime like the taping of the Seinfeld reunion on Curb Your Enthusiasm.
4) Excellent audio. Consistent audio levels throughout a scene. Reduction of ambient noise including room echo. Audio clarity in terms of what the performers are expressing or saying at all times throughout the scene.
Soapy Suds
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628 Posts
9/13
Posted - Oct 29 2017 : 4:37PM
I have to agree here. In 2017, porn is so fookin' dull at times I turn it off.
In the last year, I have been favouring old porn from the 1980s,'90s, 2000s. But more often 2008-2013.
Often it's the only thing that excites me.
I dunno what it is. I think the performers back then were more in to the sex. The directors cared about a shot. About angles and content.
Now there are far too many UNFUNNY storylines proceeding the sex. Too many porn stars trying to act, when they should be doing what they're there to do.
Have sex. And enjoy it. And stop faking. And stop hiring people who clearly do not want to be on set, never mind have sex.
Stop hiring sh*t cameramen and editors, and directors. It's all crap.
RANT OVER...
...for now...
pornpassword
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2 Posts
10/17
Posted - Oct 29 2017 : 5:43PM
i feel like girls just need to be hornier...we need to see just globs of ooze...like this is their first dick...
MorganKane
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6037 Posts
10/10
Posted - Oct 29 2017 : 11:38PM
I completely agree with you on this one.
Zingerbrook
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580 Posts
3/17
Posted - Oct 29 2017 : 11:53PM
Thanks.
In making porn, or in any monitized art form, there is audience preference to consider, but also pushing social/established boundaries. Pushing boundaries (eg female led m/f scenes) can be a risk, or can be a massive moneymaker if pulled off well. In my view.
darthroc
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754 Posts
4/14
Posted - Oct 30 2017 : 12:49AM
I liked it better in the late 90s/early 2000s where you had a dichotomy between plot based glamour porn such as the Vivid movies and the raw documentary style gonzo flicks such as Anabolic Video. They need to go back to that. My only problem is you rarely saw the Vivid stars in the raw gonzo flicks. Today you have this weird hybrid of the two categories where it is gonzo style but very sanitized and polished but with silly story skits. Have the two categories but have the stars cross over from one to the other.
SteveX
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534 Posts
4/17
Posted - Oct 30 2017 : 1:01AM
I can understand, a lot of the same big tit MILF porn with increased boobs, lips and some even their ass is enhanced LOL.
A lot of the same step-porn and tbh I don't see why.
I prefer William H, Mason and JulesJordan gonzo / (tease & fuck) porn and I do like the odd storyline porn as long as it isn't stupid like step-porn.
It also depends whether the performers are in to it, you get a lot of women / new performers now just "taking it" and it looks bland, lacking passion / enjoyment from the parties involved.
I'm usually immediately into a new performer who enjoys being on screen getting fucked.
broxyman
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79 Posts
5/16
Posted - Oct 30 2017 : 5:54AM
It's difficult to come up with new ideas for what's basically just fucking, sucking and licking, with a few bodily fluids such as cum, pussy juice and piss thrown in for good measure. And I suppose that's the problem the porn producers have got - just how do you make a product stand out and look different?
Plenty of tried. Max Hardcore tried and found himself in prison. Bryan Gozzling produces a very similar product but says it's sufficiently different not to find himself in prison. I'm sure there are others following a similar tack too.
Certain production companies stand out as being just that little bit different, but there aren't many of them, and their products aren't really that much different anyway. Clips4sale has an incredible range of very different stuff covering pretty much every fetish under the sun from Daddy's Girl, through Dishwashing, Diaper, Doll Fetish, Duct Tape, Grannies, Hula Hoop, Human Furniture, Incest, Nose Pinching, Peeing, School Uniform, Sneezing and pretty much every little fetish and perversion known to man, and woman. But it comes from a variety of sources I guess and no one producer stands out.
Part of the problem is that new girls start off with enthusiasm but after countless near-identical formulaic sessions they inevitably get bored - and that really shows. Check out some of the old Scandinavian stuff from the 1970s and you can see how much the women enjoyed what they were doing. Doubtless they got bored at some point too, but that was when the studios moved on to other edgier stuff to keep the punters coming back for more. The American studios don't seem to have learned that lesson. The girls are all bored, the cameramen are bored, the directors are bored, nothing moves on, and we're all bored.
Maybe we need more stuff like Clips4sale - it won't all be to everyone's taste, but at least it's different! And the women don't all look bored!
InstantClassic
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What Have You Done To My Little Cable Boy?
2966 Posts
5/10
Posted - Oct 30 2017 : 7:01AM
I wouldn't say porn is more dull/boring than 10 years ago. Maybe some porn fans (like me) are just oversaturated. I think Mason is one of the best directors ever, but same tiny girl+same guys+same setting just don't work for me anymore. It's not her fault, she is still great. But I have seen it all (with better male talent ) I am oversaturated, but new fans will love it.
jm6d
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417 Posts
2/11
Posted - Oct 30 2017 : 7:33AM
Hard question.
As regular porn without more extreme variations (scat, animals &&&&) is not so varied either in sound or views (sexual organs and a few other body parts enjoying a meeting), it's primarily the setting that can be varied. Therefore two suggestions:
Comedy. Many, at least when writing erotica, has imagined "Married with children" with sex really occurring. Imagine comedy of that quality with real sex in it.
Travel. A pornographic travel show where your guides fuck around the world, where every sight shown is also fucked in. It would probably be impossible to arrange - but imagine the fuck in the Eiffel tower with Paris down below.
 
roost
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56 Posts
7/15
Posted - Oct 30 2017 : 7:56AM
^ There is quite a fun site called boxtrucksex where the sex takes place in a trailer made from a two-way mirror, so that we and the performers inside can see out but the public can't see in - this allows the film makers to park the trailer in European cities and have sex seemingly 'in public'.
I think in general porn producers have regressed from the experimentation of the 2000/2010s and that is a real shame. Where are the successors to Dancing Bear, American Bukkake, Bang Bus etc? The crazy experimental ideas? Like people have said above, I would like to see more female directors and directors who show more creativity and can think outside of the (literally) white box that porn seems to be stuck inside of.
broxyman
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79 Posts
5/16
Posted - Oct 30 2017 : 8:41AM
Some interesting ideas there! I like the idea of the family sitcom with real sex thrown in - maybe involving neighbours, friends etc etc. Scope there for a series too.
Anything that adds a bit of realism would be good too. Outtakes are good, but rare, and some behind the scenes stuff would be good too - just to watch what happens in reality, rather than the glossy final, cleaned up version. You know the sort of thing - failed erections, penis in the wrong hole, premature ejaculation, torn panties, sperm in the wrong place, accidental pee, messy clothes, falling off the bed..........the list is endless. Real life!
Anal-Porn Archivist
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Ass-obsessed
274 Posts
2/15
Posted - Oct 30 2017 : 10:48AM
Many of the funny intros on Brazzers are good enough for me. They help me to get immersed into the scene and are short enough to not distract from the sex. A recent example was a two-part-scene called "The Future Family's Fuck Robot" with Missy Martinez, Sadie Pop and Xander Corvus.
Back in the day when Pierre Woodman worked for Private, he made a lot of ambitious films which were shot in many beautiful locations. They combined high production values with hot sex. Together with the films of Jean-Yves LeCastel (which were less ambitious but had a higher percentage of anal sex) they were my favorite porn back then. The only thing that keeps me from still watching them is the fact that they look shitty on modern viewscreens.
But I don't see any studio that will spend so much money for porn movies today.
As for Pierre Woodman: It's sad that he lost all his artistic ambition. The quality of the stuff he shoots today is so far below his Private movies, nobody could ever guess it's from the same director.
Lenny Voyeur
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It's the ass, stupid!
8504 Posts
2/07
Posted - Oct 30 2017 : 1:15PM

Back in the day when Pierre Woodman worked for Private, he made a lot of ambitious films which were shot in many beautiful locations. They combined high production values with hot sex. Together with the films of Jean-Yves LeCastel (which were less ambitious but had a higher percentage of anal sex) they were my favorite porn back then. The only thing that keeps me from still watching them is the fact that they look shitty on modern viewscreens.
But I don't see any studio that will spend so much money for porn movies today.
As for Pierre Woodman: It's sad that he lost all his artistic ambition. The quality of the stuff he shoots today is so far below his Private movies, nobody could ever guess it's from the same director.
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Agreed. You can add Mario Salieri and Marc Dorcel. In Germany they had Magma Production as a counterweight to GGG Thompson jerk off productions from the late 80´s to the early 00´s.
But to be honest. I mean we had this discussion earlier in this forum when others complained about the Golden Age of Porn. When I recap the years the most important button of the remote control was (and still is on the screen 2day) the fast forward. Do you really watched some of this high quality movies from the very beginning to the very end or even one of this 65 minute scenes nowadays? The good thing was that the scenes never lasted longer than 20 minutes.
Imo we need a larger variety of actors. Cause if you ve seen your favorite star in your favorite niche, let´s say anal, for the first time you can watch this scene and maybe the next 2 or 3 scenes completely or almost completely because she improved her capacity or gapes but after a while you need something or someone new.
Sp I don´t need new or different stuff but new actors. Every new stuff is acting, not reality, in the end. They get paid for it.
misspornUSA
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I ♥ the male gaze (and Palestine).
8737 Posts
11/13
Posted - Oct 30 2017 : 1:20PM
I'd like to see more kissing, a greater use of intimate positions during sex (can we please see the Lotus Blossom?), and much more full body on body contact. I'd also like more IR.
Less faux-rough and more actual rough would be good for me too.
Anal-Porn Archivist
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Ass-obsessed
274 Posts
2/15
Posted - Oct 30 2017 : 4:10PM
I never understood this attitude. When I like an actress, I wanna see as many scenes with her as possible. I've never got bored after seeing an actress in three or for scenes. What's important for me is the overall quality of the scene: the performances, the direction, the lighting, the camerawork.
And besides: There will never be enough attractive and talented female performers to satisfy the viewers who always demand new talent, fresh faces etc.
Lenny Voyeur
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It's the ass, stupid!
8504 Posts
2/07
Posted - Oct 30 2017 : 5:23PM
broxyman
Member

79 Posts
5/16
Posted - Oct 30 2017 : 6:40PM
I'm with those who want someone new after a small number of movies. Most actresses, unless they're pretty special (and there are a few) get stale and jaded after a short while - and it really shows. Boring plot lines don't help either.
Plenty of new talent and fresh faces in Eastern Europe, even if there isn't in the US. Better, more switched on, porn producers too.
DVDstuff All-Star Supporter
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2966 Posts
9/14
Posted - Oct 30 2017 : 7:26PM
There's a substantial problem in the adult industry today with utilizing new faces in the best way possible. I'll mention three names who I loved seeing on sites online, and then when they went to "bigger" production companies were not used the correct way. Kelsi Monroe, Bella Bellz, and Daisy Stone.
Kelsi's best scene ever was the first one of her that I saw. She fully played up her ability to do gymnastics moves, and kept telling the guy in the scene she could stretch even farther. Since then she's done her upside down splits trick a lot, but she's been thrown into the same frame as all other models before her. Let's have her do this handful of scenes that a couple dozen stars did and presto she's a mega star. How about let that girl grow in some way gradually and not try to shoehorn her into all the traditional "1st" that the industry lives and dies by.
This is because too many production companies either A) fairly and easily exploit the true talent of the performer or (B) ignore something that fans are screaming for online for the model to do. Worse yet (C) treat her like a couple of holes and try to turn her into something her fans do not like and don't recognize. I've seen some good work out of Kelsi including her DP scene with Mason. Excellent and top marks!
Bella Bellz, as far as I saw, was never used correctly. She was/is friends with Jada Stevens who reportedly found her while she was a feature dancer. I could be wrong, but at what point was there ever a scene or scenario setup to have her in a strip club, with other big name talent who dance, showing us her skill. She eagerly locked into big name production companies because of the money and her relationship with Jada, and just did a ton of cookie-cutter scenes that just focused on her massive backside. Focused, but didn't play into. She has mad oral skill, yes. But the lack of interest in having her find chemistry with a male partner was just sad. Let's just splash oil on her ass. That fade was great 10 or 15 years ago, but I've grown up and want to see something new!!! I could be wrong, but did she ever work with anyone like Burning Angel because of her tats?
Daisy Stone could be someone who is too soon to tell, but her asset is her thick and simply juicy backside. And one director has already changed her hair style like that's going to help primarily men, who watch these scenes, recognize her!!! If you bring in a model and then attempt to change her looks before she is known by more than just her fans you're not going to build her fan base the way you think.
Are these directors just immune to the understanding that a phat ass should be spanked, rimmed and anal done on them properly?!?!? Jules Jordan used to do this with the Ass Worship line, but it devolved into the "it" girl, who in no way had a big ass or even enjoyed anal, to do a scene instead of the first 6 initial releases that was out of this world!!! Yoga pants aren't always the way to go and since there is an overwhelming saturation in our society for them for everyday women to wear the realistic angle is overblown. Yes, we totally want to see a woman in yoga pants, but the lack of realism when it comes to how they're worn is totally there. I see women in yoga pants, a t-shirt and a jean jacket all the time. Women aren't constantly at a yoga studio or some typical scenario as they put it. And the tease factor is non-existent!
Chemistry is sadly missing nowadays, if it were ever there to begin with. It's always a "porn" scene and about raw lust. Sadly, the passion is never there for kissing of any sort. It's never attempted to be a meeting or get together. The more little vinettes are used the more they need to portray a long, drawn out interest in their partner, the more they need to have a scene with there's a secret kiss or a scene where a girl in yoga pants let's the other person see her ass. How many people have an instant random and out of this world hook-up in our everyday lives? Fantasy is one thing, but ... THERE'S NO TEASE!
  • There's no sex or groping or kissing from the door to the bedroom. If it's a random get together and the chemistry is great then their hands should be all over one another and clothes should be getting ripped off once inside the door.

  • There's no foreplay in a kitchen that just has the scene begin there and moves to a couch instead of the bed. I've been with women where this happens and it's never a casual walk to the bedroom. You grab and touch her and probably get inside her again once or twice before reaching the bedroom again.

  • There's no foreplay anywhere except the traditional places. No one fucks or begins to fuck in a car, garage, kids bedroom or attic. Nope, according to the adult industry that sort of thing never happens. Nah, let's just leave that to the traditional and cute places to have the seen take place like a massive couch, which apparently everyone has in there mansion, yeah mansion. Because we all live in one of those.

  • I'm a big fan of Blacked.com and have seen some things they've done that has impressed me. The traditional "wait right here, I'll be right back tease" where the talent follows the girl into the bathroom and scene takes place there for a good ten minutes. Good idea! Moving it into a shower could work more too. But some things can also be added for more spontaenous scenes and are not there.
    How about this ... couples fucking like porn stars. Let me explain.
    We always get the crazy scene where both parties are going at it like animals. They're usually strangers, but no one seems to be able to bring this together for couples in some fashion.
  • We can't get couples of vacation in some exotic location?

  • Couples going to dinner for a "date night" then home for passionate sex?

  • Couples who try anal for the first time and then over time she or he learns that they love it!

  • Couples who go on vacation and eventually agree or hook up for a threesome or orgy.

  • Couples who plan to go on vacation for such a thing in the first place.

  • But all of these questions are for not because the people with the money look at their stats and rarely given a flying fig about the suggestions from fans.

    a_2011
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    307 Posts
    10/17
    Posted - Oct 30 2017 : 8:11PM
    this year 2017 it's boring year no new ideas
    I hate when they re-shoot the same pornstars 100 times at the same site
    like : Alex grey , Angela white
    reasonable there is no other pornstars.
    2017 is a Few scenes Girl/Girl/Boy anal
    Hardx only one scene
    only tushy shoot more girl/girl/boy anal But the last two scenes look like Mike Adriano scene
    Edited by - a_2011 on 11/14/2017 2:37:41 PM
     
    darthroc
    Member

    754 Posts
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    Posted - Oct 30 2017 : 10:34PM
    Im with you here. The problem with having too many new fresh faces is that they unnecessarily soak up production slots from the great stars. When you do that, you make it less likely that we will see awesome chicks in porn. Those awesome softcore models that we wish would jump to hardcore? Far less likely when you allow just any fresh girl in porn. Especially with low profit margins. Im not a Keisha Grey fan like you are but I can objectively see why so many guys like her and she deserves to be a star.
    TranceFeral
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    She is more then meets the "all-seeing eye"
    52 Posts
    8/16
    Posted - Oct 31 2017 : 4:57AM
    Porn is in a better place now then ever but granted, there's always room for improvement. Solution: an audiovisual adaptation of my outlandish imagination by honorable creators of porn. In other words: companies like Brazzers, Digital Playground, Dogfart, Legalporno and clips4sale studios who take their craft serious can feel free to approach me. Charges: 0$. I solemnly swear that I will deliver the best storylines as long as can make the casting choices. That part is absolutely essential because my writings are always centered around quite the distinctive personalities. And I don't even need any credits either, my only wish is to see talented performers make great things together. And indeed "The Future Family's Fuck Robot Part: 1" is a masterpiece of lynchian gonzo. Expect more of that when they quantify their blood fountains of inspiration. And speaking of quantification: the male performers talent pool is in quite the need of it. There have simply been to many instances where a subpar male performer screwed up a potentially great scene due to his lack of resolve and what not. It's sad that the industry clings way to heavily to these type of unqualified performers. I mean when you've seen a all-enduring stallion like Markus Dupree in action, one can't really go back to someone like Toni Ribas with his weird shenanigans. So please porn gods, next time when one of you're a-grade performers has a too busy schedule to be in a upcoming scene, stop relying on the unqualified merely because they are present and perhaps "easy to work with". Instead: place ads, have auditions and go out looking for guys who've been imprisoned for fist fights (you'd be surprised).
    Also Kink.com has lot of creative ideas and concepts, but the problem is that their execution leaves a lot to be desired. If they could redesign certain elements of their outputs then they could easily become a force to be reckoned with.
    broxyman
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    79 Posts
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    Posted - Oct 31 2017 : 1:28PM
    Some prettier, fresher faces would be a good start. Many of the current 'stars' look as if they've been around the block far too many times - and their boredom with the whole damn business shines through.
    I don't know how the pay structure works (someone enlighten me?) but maybe pay more to new entrants to encourage them into the business?
    DVDstuff All-Star Supporter
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    Posted - Oct 31 2017 : 2:46PM
    Kink.com has a TON of ideas that should be carried over to other production companies. Move a lot of them over to Blacked and oh boy would that be interesting. Kendra Sunderland in a Public Disgrace scene would work a hell of a lot better than the blowbang she did with Blacked.
    PIERRE WOODMAN
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    Posted - Oct 31 2017 : 4:25PM
    The quality of the stuff he shoots today is so far below his Private movies, nobody could ever guess it's from the same director.
    _____________________________________________________________________________________________________
    It's just because I am enough "cameleon" to adapt myself to the world where we are !!!
    Today most regular producers ( not the puppets from big piracy entities ) have problems to get back 1000 $ on any thing they produce and you don't understand why a guy like me can't shoot anymore big productions ???
    X-calibur has cost 800 000 euros 10 years ago when there was still a DVD distribution. We did 520 000 and lost 280 000 so how much you think today will come back , nothing and thank you the pirates and all people supporting those thieves.
    Actually, except Marc Dorcel because he has a huge network of telephone company and TV working with him, most other people who invest in porn big budgets are mostly just cleaning the dirty money from tubes.
    I am a simple producer using sometime the money from my other business to support my website. Each year is more difficult and I will probably stop this business in 2019 if nothing change because very few people want paid for porn in these days ...
    PW
    TranceFeral
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    She is more then meets the "all-seeing eye"
    52 Posts
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    Posted - Oct 31 2017 : 4:41PM
    ^^
    LANSKY? uhm how about NO FUCKING WAY!!! that guy is 100% incapable of directing anything that's even remotely interesting. Brazzers on the other hand, prove themselves time and time again that they the most equipped and well-versed in the industry. And the last thing we need in porn right now are a bunch of fresh-faced amateurs and library girls getting even more attention for their shallow appeal. Especially now, the legendary Veronica Avluv is in retirement. Don't get me wrong though, I absolutely love a young fresh spinner but only when they come as epic and thunderous as say: Gina Valentina, easily one of the most alluring girls on planet earth right now.

    Edited by - TranceFeral on 10/31/2017 4:41:59 PM

    misspornUSA
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    I ♥ the male gaze (and Palestine).
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    Posted - Oct 31 2017 : 4:53PM
    His interracial work interests me.
    Anal-Porn Archivist
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    Posted - Oct 31 2017 : 5:10PM
    ^^^
    I know the economy in porn has changed. I said that in my post.
    But other producers nowadays create much more attractive stuff than you do. For example, Mike Adriano, or LeWood or the people behind the Perfect Gonzo website, to name but a few. Their movies are hardly award-worthy, but professionally shot. And you can watch their movies. I can't watch the stuff you produce today. And that's a pity, because you have proven your great talent in the past. And you certainly could produce much better stuff even in today's economy. You just seem to have lost your ambition.
    broxyman
    Member

    79 Posts
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    Posted - Oct 31 2017 : 6:54PM
    That's bad news, Pierre. I still see you as one of the good guys in porn! One of the few with nice looking, new, not stupidly overmadeup, tired-looking girls. Your girls look interesting - and interested. So many do not, and I see that as a key part of the problem.
    Zingerbrook
    Member

    580 Posts
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    Posted - Nov 1 2017 : 12:52PM
    I have been looking at "JOI" videos and think it is something that could be developed much further (sorry if this idea has already been stated on this thread--didn't see it).
    There are some older threads here on ADT that discuss JOI in excellent detail. The challenges stated are typically in relation to acting/performer credibility and satisfying viewer tastes that are apparently very divergent.
    However, I notice that there is a formula to well executed JOI scenes, and that could also be extended to virtually any type of porn scene. In fact, it can be accomplished with voiceovers. Basically (and sorry if this sounds crazy), the most popular JOI scenes seem to have a lot in common with Mr. Roger's and how he used to talk to the camera. Hear me out:
    FUNDAMENTALS:
    - Talking directly to audience (obviously)
    - Acknowledging that the viewer is the viewer, at home and not pretending that the viewer is on set or encouraging the viewer to imagine being on set. The viewer is absolutely watching TV.
    SCENE DIRECTION:
    - Sparse Dialog One...one sentence on what is happening in the scene. One sentence on how the performer feels about it. One sentence directed at the viewer (sometimes a question about how they feel)
    - Action Without Dialog (max of ~2 minutes---important)
    - Sparse Dialog Two (with action ongoing)
    - Action Without Dialog
    - Space Dialog Three (with action ongoing)
    - (etc)
    - Repeat to end of scene
    FEEL:
    - Calm, matter-of-fact, almost monotone voice (note: easy to act)
    - Slow diction
    - Overall dialog focuses on making it all feel "OK" to the viewer and normalizing what's going on
    - Dialog specifics seem to vary, i.e. the above three points hold true, but the words can vary from gentle to humiliating or anything in-between
    - The most popular scenes seem to be only solo female or POV hand jobs (in general), but really all of the above could be extended to any type of scene. JOI could also be accomplished as a voiceover to existing scenes
    Edited by - zingerbrook on 11/1/2017 1:50:51 PM
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    PIERRE WOODMAN
    Senior Member

    The Atrax
    1487 Posts
    8/15
    Posted - Nov 2 2017 : 1:51AM
    Gina Valentina, easily one of the most alluring girls on planet earth right now.
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    I agree, her casting with anal will come soon on my site !!!
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    That's bad news, Pierre. I still see you as one of the good guys in porn! One of the few with nice looking, new, not stupidly overmadeup, tired-looking girls. Your girls look interesting - and interested. So many do not, and I see that as a key part of the problem.
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    Thank you, I wish people to understand more all real porn producers are doing porn as a passion first and they need support or their sites can't stay alive. Soon all this industry will be under control of two or three persons owning all the piracy of this planet, which is insane ...
    PW
    TranceFeral
    Member

    She is more then meets the "all-seeing eye"
    52 Posts
    8/16
    Posted - Nov 2 2017 : 3:23AM
    ^
    No please, Pierre just... don't. You truly are something unbelievably deplorable, you know that?. All we know you for is your garbage content and your pitiful claims to moral supremacy. I've seen you hating on Legalporno, simply due to the fact that they're smart enough to diversify their income. Meanwhile they are more meaningful to porn in half a day then you are in you're entire career. They have made Prague into "the heart of Europe" and are at the very forefront of keeping it great, cause you know in some parts, it doesn't look all that promising nowadays. Sure, they also make more then enough things that make me cringe at my core but I define greatness on behalf of prime material and at that, they've got such marvel to show. You bitch about piracy and how porn is not making you enough money, while showing an astonishing lack of knowledge of self for not looking at the truth of the matter: you're content is simply not worth paying for, period. The only directors I've heard complaining about piracy, are you and Mike Quasar and the most obvious thing you'll have in common is the fact that you both represent sheer garbage. So please, end your career and I'll gladly forget you've made porn in the first place.
    dwaadt
    Member

    115 Posts
    11/11
    Posted - Nov 2 2017 : 5:35AM
    I don't think porn is more duller but possibly the customers are stuck in watching the same style, director and actresses. In the 90s the customer would buy DVDs and magazines with more variation. Now you buy one site and it is all in its own style which gets more repetitive and customer loses interest. Porn consumers most likely subscribe for few months and go on to another site and so on.
    roost
    Member

    56 Posts
    7/15
    Posted - Nov 2 2017 : 5:51AM

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    Kink.com has a TON of ideas that should be carried over to other production companies. Move a lot of them over to Blacked and oh boy would that be interesting. Kendra Sunderland in a Public Disgrace scene would work a hell of a lot better than the blowbang she did with Blacked.
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    I agree - and this is coming from someone who doesn't actually like the type of sex that Kink focuses on.
    What makes them great, in my opinion, is that they successfully focus and grow a niche type of porn that many people want to see and they do that with creativity and relatively high production values while respecting their performers and fans. And their shoots cannot be confused with any other studio. How many other studios can claim that?
    Other sites or studios that do the same thing within a particular niche: BlowbangGirls, SpermMania, Blacked, Dogfart to name a few.
    I think concentrating more on a niche and doing it to the best of your abilities will also generate a more loyal fan following willing to pay for your product, plus clips on tube sites will be more original and reconizable as your own output, driving fans to your site. I would struggle to differentiate between an average Bangbros, brazzers, Mofos movie these days.
    broxyman
    Member

    79 Posts
    5/16
    Posted - Nov 2 2017 : 6:57PM
    Maybe, just maybe, porn's simply got too unpleasant, too violent and too nasty. Used not to be that way, but as the years go by there's a constant call for more and more degradation of women. Double anal, triple anal, quadruple even, beatings, lashes, whips, multiple penetrations........it just goes on and on.
    And yet the producers say it's not working - there's no money in porn any more.
    Controversial viewpoint, sure, but do we just need gentler sex, where performers enjoy each other rather than one of them humiliating the other? And perhaps a believable storyline? I liked the sex sitcom idea, where the main characters have sex with each other, rather than just chatting etc. Friends - with sex. Little House on the Prairie - with sex. M*A*S*H - with sex. Modern Family - with sex. Endless possibilities!
    misspornUSA
    Senior Member

    I ♥ the male gaze (and Palestine).
    8737 Posts
    11/13
    Posted - Nov 2 2017 : 7:51PM
    That doesn't have much to do with the US industry, where DAPs are now rare and "beatings, lashes, whips" aren't common at all.
    Quorrl
    Senior Member

    2835 Posts
    3/11
    Posted - Nov 2 2017 : 8:02PM

    ^^
    Isn't the number of studios and sites that show a lighter, more sensual image of sex higher than ever?
    X-Art, PurePassion, PornPros, Nubiles, Twistys, Babes, Baebz, Vixen/Tushy/Blacked, a lot of New Sensations/Digital Sin, show sex hardly as "nasty".
    Zingerbrook
    Member

    580 Posts
    3/17
    Posted - Nov 2 2017 : 8:10PM
    Scene engagement metrics for porn in the USA are on the rise, according to my research. That means something is working.There is also a blossoming of creativity here, fueled by 'millennials'. I think I have a sense of what will succeed, and that is in a specific business model that offloads piracy risk away from studios, and with their revenues coming from a very different source.

    UndercoverMirror
    Member

    29 Posts
    11/17
    Posted - Nov 3 2017 : 1:14PM
    I would like to see top studios like Brazzers and such do a compilation/instruction videos like the Cock Hero series. They could also make a competition where fans create their own compilations and the best one is put on the site.
    BlackSix All-Star Supporter
    All-Star Member

    pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world
    12377 Posts
    9/07
    Posted - Nov 3 2017 : 4:05PM
    Yeah this is a strange but common claim, people seem to think porn is getting nastier in every era! The only time it felt true to me was the 90s/early 2000s.
    What all porn needs is passion and imagination. The best modern porn captures passsion but imagination is in short supply because features and vignettes are in short supply. Vignettes also tend towards the truly half assed and unimagimative, Brazzers being the worse offender.
    Gerard Damiano said a long time ago that there is only so many sexual acts and ways of shooting them, his solution was to explore the deeper sexual psychology of a scene which he did very well in his best films like Devil in Miss Jones and Odyssey. Today the idea that more DAPS, DPs, gapes or whatever is some cureall for creative exhaustion seems deeply misguided. We had all kinds of craziness during the Red Light/Anabolic years and I don't think that mechanical, poorly shot material has aged well at all.
    jks1
    Member

    A round ass and big natural tits on a small frame are pretty hard to beat
    103 Posts
    9/17
    Posted - Nov 3 2017 : 5:00PM
    "I Am Katrina" starring the gorgeous Katrina Jade is very different to a lot of what's around now and has been around for years, and is very, very good.
    There's quite a long interview with her and she comes across as very natural and real, talking about her upbringing, visiting places she grew up and describing her life and of course sexual experiences and when and why she got into porn.
    The best thing is that it doesnt come across as fake or cheesy at all, its genuinely interesting.
    There's some interest backstage/pre-scene talk with directors, including Darkko that again is really interesting, seems genuine and a nice insight into what goes on before and during a shoot.
    I'm a big fan of Katrina so once it gets down to the porn itself I'm happy, especially with Darkko behind the lens for one of the scenes.
    Absolutely worth a watch if you're tired of all the same old same old formulaic content out there and looking for something fresh.
    This certainly had me engaged during the non porn segments and made the porn itself that much hotter once you got to know her and the other performers a little better, particularly when they described what it's like to shoot a scene with her.
    "Her pussy is like butter, its really hard not to cum" - Markus Dupree
    DVDstuff All-Star Supporter
    All-Star Member

    2966 Posts
    9/14
    Posted - Nov 3 2017 : 5:04PM
    ^ I'm waiting for it to be sold either than the places it's at not. Drooling over this movie and can't wait to see it. Love in the trailer when Buttman talks about ass and the camera pans over to her shaking and ass-thumping that gorgeous backside of hers You can tell when women try too hard to be sexy and move in sensuous ways. It all looks perfectly natural and easy for her. And NO ONE gets that tattoo she has on her ass without it being something true to their nature and heart.
    broxyman
    Member

    79 Posts
    5/16
    Posted - Nov 5 2017 : 1:19AM
    I see Bryan Gozzling's putting out a lot of teasers about what's coming this weekend - maybe he's discovered the secret that's going to revolutionise porn?! His stuff is a bit different, to be fair to him, but how mainstream it is and how well it sells, who knows?
    I still struggle to dissociate it from Max Hardcore in many ways, and it's an example of the less pleasant stuff I mentioned earlier (sorry, Bryan) but I suppose dull isn't the word you'd attach to it. I do wonder, though, what the women really think about what they have to wear, the way they look, and what they go through.
    jks1
    Member

    A round ass and big natural tits on a small frame are pretty hard to beat
    103 Posts
    9/17
    Posted - Nov 5 2017 : 5:38PM
    His stuff does nothing for me, other than the excellent messy facial finishes.
    Just looks like an ordeal for the girls involved and does not turn me on in the slightest.
    Agree re the Max Hardcore comparison
    broxyman
    Member

    79 Posts
    5/16
    Posted - Nov 7 2017 : 1:33AM
    It's frequent references to word such as 'destruction' and 'gapes' that puts me off. Presumably there is a market for stuff that degrades women, but is it so erotic? Does it really sell so well?
    BryanGozzling
    Member

    521 Posts
    2/16
    Posted - Nov 7 2017 : 1:52AM
    You should reach out to the girls on social media and ask them yourself. Or better yet watch ANY of the interviews I conduct with each girl I shoot. They are all available on the site. I get all sorts of criticism for all sorts of things, but mistreating the girls is something you'll never discover with me. Say or think what you will about comparing me to Max, my content is produced responsibly, each and every time, no exceptions. I meet with and discuss the content with every model who says they want to shoot with me, if they don't seem to be doing it for the right reason, I send them home. I interview each model thoroughly before every scene, on camera, and discuss the acts that she does and doesn't want to engage in. I turn girls down to shoot all the time because when I meet with them it becomes clear that they would not enjoy the shoot. I only shoot girls who want to engage in this kind of sex. If you don't like it fine, but I take pride in my content and how it's produced.
    Edited by - BryanGozzling on 11/8/2017 7:26:50 PM
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