I remember the time that for these nice and nasty niches you had to go to Clips4sale or Prolapseparty.com Nowadays.. prolapse has become mainstream and companies are slowly but surely embracing familyplay. What will be the next taboo that will be broken? I sure hope it will be (lesbian) pissing. I see more and more downloadable scenes available. What do you think?
1-You may see more prolapse in porn these days than you did in past years but it's far from being common. It's still something that a very small minority of performers are able and/or willing to do. Which to me is a blessing because no one can make me believe that pushing your internal organs outside of your body is a good idea. If you want to see some past prolapse content than look at what the performer Mila did in the 90's. 2-Family play is in fact a very old fetish. If you think it's something new than you clearly have never seen movies made in the 70's and 80's. The only difference is that you probably see more of them but I tend to find that they are limited to clip4sales stores or lesbian themed movies. It's rare to see a mainstream porn movie where a father has sex with his daughter. 3-The are truly no taboos left to break. The internet has made sure of that. Whether you are talking about bestiality, scat, piss or even pedophilia. The only thing anyone has to do to see these is search for it. Mind you why anyone would search for most of these is a mystery to me and one I'm a glad to never discover.
^ In 'No Refunds' Doug Stanhope says that in years of searching online for every kind of depravity, he has never - never - inadvertently stumbled across 'paedo' material. He does, however, talk about 'cock-fingering': the homosexual practice of inserting one's finger fully into another guy's urethra. Nice.
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hoochimama Deactivated User
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Posted - Jun 24 2014 : 12:58PM
I think the next would be family roleplay since that's the fetish that's gaining momentum with all the mom/daughter stuff and you already see a few studios getting rid of of the step-family pretense. Next should be pissing, if people can accept translucent piss they can deal with the yellow one. Maybe a return to the coercion/pseudo-rape that brazzers was doing with pornstarpunishment. I don't see beast porn in the US anytime soon because bible, even though it's rather common in foreign sexshops. I never thought of prolapse porn as a taboo since it's something most protesters wouldn't even think about, big difference between acceptance and popularity. ________________________________________________ Please ID these girls from PlayboyTV's Foursome show Edited by - hoochimama on 6/24/2014 1:02:55 PM
To produce bestiality has become illegal even in Holland , I seriously doubt it'll be "mainstream" any time soon , or even legal not only to produce but even allowed as a sex orientation.
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Posted - Jun 24 2014 : 2:09PM
^^The credit card companies will never allow golden showers to go mainstream, and it's unlikely that they would stand for simulated incest becoming a porn staple either. Furthermore, considering that even Kink.com has begun to tame their content, I'm pretty comfortable concluding that Pornstars Punishment type scenes will not return in the near future.
If it was up to credit card companies then howcome they don't seem to give 2 shits about all the pissing on tainster.com and so many other other euro sites? All the doggy porn proudly displayed in shops? All the mutti smut with toothless omas? Have you seen any site stop carrying the 80's taboo series? ________________________________________________ Please ID these girls from PlayboyTV's Foursome show Edited by - hoochimama on 6/24/2014 7:05:01 PM
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Posted - Jun 24 2014 : 7:21PM
^I said the credit card companies will never allow golden showers, etc to become mainstream. They are content to ignore it as long as it remains niche and no one complains. Please see the following thread. Credit card companies and fear of obscenity charges are the primary reasons that the kind of content described will not become commonplace. Crypto currencies like bitcoin solve one problem but unfortunately not the other.
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hoochimama Deactivated User
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Posted - Jun 24 2014 : 7:22PM
I know that in Germany it was recently made illegal supposedly due to animal rights reasons (which makes sense), not for just being gross/taboo like in the USA. ________________________________________________ Please ID these girls from PlayboyTV's Foursome show Edited by - hoochimama on 6/24/2014 7:31:17 PM
I never said inadvertently but it wouldn't surprise me if more than one person has stumbled on some pedo stuff without ever meaning to do that. I think I did. A few years ago I was using (I think) emule and was looking for some old porn no longer available anywhere and I used some key words. I downloaded what I thought would be a certain video but it turned out to be something quite different. I honestly don't know if the young lady in the video was underage but my gut feeling is that she was. I deleted the video right away but I still managed to find a pedo file. Of course people really interested in pedo type porn won't do a general search because you probably would never find it but I'm sure that they know where to look and certainly know who to ask for this type of stuff.
Very simple, VISA Europe and MasterCard Europe have very different policies than their US brethren. Jacco
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Posted - Jul 6 2014 : 9:02PM
Would love to see more lesbian pissing from American girls. Love the pissinginaction.com lesbian scenes. Check out Bella Baby and Victoria Puppy! So hot!
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Cloudburst Deactivated User
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Posted - Jul 6 2014 : 11:40PM
MOD: You don't ask how to find illegal material for any reason. Edited by - flash on 7/7/2014 7:49:32 AM
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Cloudburst Deactivated User
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Posted - Jul 6 2014 : 11:46PM
Adult DVD Talk is a Friendly Community Treat fellow posters as neighbors. Please be respectful of each other and each other's threads. If what someone has posted angers you, wait until you calm down before you respond or simply don't respond. Think before posting. Trolling (baiting people by intentionally posting inflammatory messages) or incessantly harping on an issue/person will lead to the deactivation of your account. Edited by - flash on 7/7/2014 7:50:32 AM
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Posted - Jul 6 2014 : 11:47PM
19 year old twins who can prolapse like hotkinkyjo; and then suck and lick each other's prolapse while pissing on one another. They would clean up in sales. You get the teen market, the incest market, the piss market, and the prolapse market all rolled into one.
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Posted - Jul 6 2014 : 11:49PM
I think a lot of porn viewers need to see the envelope pushed and pushed farther. I mean, some people can only see the same stuff over and over before they become bored, so the circus stuff gives that thrill of something new and exciting. We had the gonzo trend for many years where everyone was trying to "out gonzo" one another..... till you got to the point people were celebrating girls licking cum mixed with feces matter off of a dirty floor after it came out of another girls ass. People need that new experience and to see the boundaries pushed. The fact it puts the girls at health risks, both short and long term, doesn't matter to a lot of viewers. Look at how many threads we have dedicated to women being hurt, abused, treated horribly, eating brown colored jizz from assholes, ass to pussy, etc. Edited by - earthwindfire on 7/6/2014 11:52:05 PM Edited by - flash on 7/7/2014 7:52:46 AM
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Cloudburst Deactivated User
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Posted - Jul 6 2014 : 11:59PM
Seriously, people having sex with animals is common in foreign sex shops? When you really think about all the sick sick stuff human beings are into (internal organ prolapse, fucking animals, fucking little kids, raping women, shitting on people and eating shit, torturing people and other BDSM activities) all I can say is WOW. I want to say more but if I say it I'll probably be banned for inciting violence
Edited by - Cloudburst on 7/7/2014 12:00:32 AM
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Cloudburst Deactivated User
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Posted - Jul 7 2014 : 12:00AM
To respond to the OP's question I'm not sure what will be next but one thing I definitely think should make a return to porn is the hardcore anal type of porn that was produced in the US from around 2001 - 2006. Why has that type of porn largely disappeared and why can't porn companies find more submissive anal girls who will do harder anal scenes with guys who have huge Mark Ashley sized cocks? Another thing that is definitely lacking in US porn is double anal scenes, I think companies should look into that as more of a fetish niche type of hardcore anal porn. And lastly how about more guy on girl anal fisting (maybe use guys with smaller hands). Why is anal fisting basically non-existent in porn?
prolapse sounds really friggin disgusting. as to the family theme, I watched "friends and family 4" by smash pictures. really hot incest theme movie. I get off on that shit. did I mention that prolapse sounds really friggin disgusting? and I never heard of it until this topic thread. and I wish I had still never heard of it. pissing, piss drinking. whatever. I don't want to watch anything with shit involved. so Ive made it clear where I draw the line as to what I like.
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Posted - Jul 7 2014 : 12:20AM
There's a substantial difference between BDSM and even scat play between consenting adults, both of whom may derive pleasure from the activity, and "fucking animals, fucking little kids" and "raping women." You may not like or understand BDSM, but placing it on a list with rape is outrageous.
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Cloudburst Deactivated User
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Posted - Jul 7 2014 : 2:52AM
You don't think extreme types of BDSM where people are brutally tortured (in various ways I won't even go into here) fall on the same level as rape? In terms of immorality I would agree with you that rape is worse, but in terms of "sickness" or level of sheer horror, I would place them at the same level.
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Posted - Jul 7 2014 : 2:08PM
^I think that some people watch BDSM scenes in which a woman (or man) is clearly in pain and conclude "There's no way that s/he is enjoying that." Actually, plenty of people derive pleasure from the experience of pain, humiliation, etc. That number obviously includes some pornstars.
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Posted - Jul 8 2014 : 7:05PM
^Except Alina Li! Bazinga!
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Posted - Jul 8 2014 : 7:54PM
I think prolapses in porn should be illegal. Period. I can't even believe the moderators allow threads to be created about it. It's just as bad as bestiality and scat if not worse. JMO.
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Posted - Jul 8 2014 : 8:59PM
^^I assume that your remark is tongue and cheek but actually Alina Li is a case in point. Because she did not enjoy filming her scene for Public Disgrace, some posters on her thread (pudknock, Zy28, SkyHigh, 2bollocks, CurtisMorris are examples) have used her unfortunate experience to condemn Kink.com and BDSM porn in general. There is no question that not every pornstar who has filmed for Kink and similar sites should have done so. Some of them, like Alina Li, obviously made the wrong decision, but the continuing spectacle of men using that as a basis to deny the fact that many women enjoy and even love BDSM is tiresome. Edited by - misspornUSA on 7/8/2014 9:00:05 PM
I think porn should be forbidden. This whole site should be illegal. Just because of God. Period!
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realtip Deactivated User
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Credit card companies have nothing to do with it. Years ago, there were a few pissing sites around like PissMops, YellowDiscipline, Kink's pissing site, and the stuff Max Hardcore produced. Anybody who wanted access to these sites had no problem getting it. The sole reason that all these sites disappeared was, as you pointed out, the entire porn industry got scared of producing anything "extreme" anymore in light of the obscenity conviction of Max Hardcore, who was basically doing everything that was considered taboo in porn. His scenes combined pissing, rape fantasy, and pedo play (adult women pretending to be underage, which is legal) all in one. Despite the fact that nothing he produced was illegal, he ended up going to jail anyway simply because he was a controversial figure who made people uncomfortable and his movies pushed the envelope. When that happened, no one else in porn wanted the same thing to happen to them. Hence, porn became a lot more tame and vanilla, and all the extreme niche porn that we used to see more of has since disappeared. Not to mention piracy and decreased porn production in general have also made it more unlikely to see these things in porn. The credit card thing is just a convenient excuse so companies like Brazzers won't have to take responsibility for their own decisions. Brazzers had even acknowledged that the PornstarsPunishment site was its most profitable site. However, it was also controversial due to all the whiners and handwringers who take porn too seriously, and complained that the site "promoted rape." Since Brazzers didn't want to deal with the controversy anymore, it just got rid of the site. If porn companies still wanted to do it, then they would do it.
From CCBills AUP: 3. VIOLATION OF CCBILL POLICY F. The posting or display of any image or wording depicting or related to extreme violence, incest, snuff, scat or the elimination of any bodily waste on another person, mutilation, or rape anywhere on the site in a sexual or erotic manner, including the URL and meta tags. Jacco
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realtip Deactivated User
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Posted - Jul 10 2014 : 2:06PM
^ 1.) That's the policy of payment processor, which is different from credit card companies. There are plenty of payment processors for companies to use. 2.) Since I'm not aware of any American sites that ever authentically showed any of those things listed, how would this still be a problem?
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Bob Cobb Deactivated User
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Posted - Jul 10 2014 : 2:36PM
Unbelievably weak attempt at an argument but nice try.
I never quite understood how some studios (Max in particular) got around the disclaimer that you get at the start of most videos, stating that performers can't be seen to be 'playing the part of a minor' - or words to that effect. Is this kind of thing still legal? Given the current hysteria over paedophilia, I find that incredible.
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Posted - Jul 10 2014 : 3:14PM
^I remember that Clinton signed a bill into law, the CPPA it was called I think, that made it illegal for adults to imitate minors in the depiction of sexually explicit situations in any form of media. I only remember this because the makers of the '90s remake of Lolita spoke at length of the cuts they had to make to scenes in that film featuring a body double in order to comply with what at that time was a new law. Anyway, I'm pretty sure that the CPPA was overturned by the courts over a decade ago and no longer applies, but maybe there are similar laws on the books. Performers in Max Hardcore's videos were dressed to look like young teenagers and directed to act like young teenagers, but in the videos he always had them state that they were at least 18. They often also talked about having younger sisters, but these "sisters" never appeared onscreen of course. Edited by - misspornUSA on 7/10/2014 3:15:48 PM
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realtip Deactivated User
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Posted - Jul 10 2014 : 3:34PM
^Yes, you're right. The Supreme Court struck down CPPA. As a matter of fact, this is why Max Hardcore couldn't be charged with producing child porn. There was an attempt to prosecute Max Hardcore for child pornography, but the case ended up being dismissed due to the fact that, by legal definition, it was not child porn. It was like trying to charge someone for murder because the living victim is pretending to be dead. Child porn only applies to porn involving real minors, not adults acting in role play. Due to the fact that the Supreme Court ruled that something cannot be labeled child porn that doesn't actually involve real children, the child porn case against Max was dismissed. However, this was before his prosecution for obscenity, which is a much more ambiguous charge, and can literally be made to apply to anything from kissing to blowjobs. The law doesn't even have to specify why something is obscene, which is why it's a stupid law. After the child porn charges were unsuccessful, they went against him for just the vague charge of obscenity, which was successful, unfortunately. Since they couldn't get him for any real crimes, they had come up with something.I'm not familiar with any such disclaimer as I never saw it. But yes, it is legal. Again, it is only illegal for anyone under the age of 18 to be in porn. As long as the performers are legal adults, that's all that matters. Just because people are unreasonably hysterical over something doesn't make it illegal.
You don't get my point. Once you start forbidding one thing, someone or a group comes with forbidding other things and eventually the stuff Bob Cobb likes will be forbidden too.
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Posted - Jul 10 2014 : 6:52PM
^It's a reasonable point. On what basis would prolapsing be banned from adult film? Women's health? Then perhaps next the government can mandate that the industry use condoms nationwide, or ban ass to mouth or anal itself, all justified by the same argument. Along with not buying prolapse porn, porn consumers who are concerned about the long term effects of prolapsing on porn performers can discourage others from buying that type of porn. They can get in contact with pornstars they're worried about and tell them about the health effects. There are many other options other than the draconian step of banning.
No, that is the VISA/MasterCard policy that CCBill implements. Go and ask CCBill yourself if you don't believe me. I get paid to research and check these things, that's part of my job. Jacco
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realtip Deactivated User
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Posted - Jul 11 2014 : 12:41AM
^OK. But even if that is indeed the credit card company policy, that still doesn't answer Question #2 as to how these sites would actually be in violation.This is exactly true. Unfortunately, there are a lot of people even in the porn industry who just don't get that point.In other words, start harassing girls and companies who do it, which is almost just as bad. There are already plenty of guys who feel the need to keep telling girls that they shouldn't do anal, or they shouldn't do gangbangs, or they shouldn't get boobjobs, or they shouldn't perform for this website, or work for that director, etc. We really don't need to give these people anymore ideas on other shit to add to the list of things to harass porn girls about.
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Posted - Jul 11 2014 : 12:53AM
^I never suggested that opponents of prolapse-porn should harass performers. If these people are honestly worried that the few pornstars who prolapse onscreen (it's far from becoming the trend that some make it out to be) might end up in diapers, do you suggest that they say or do nothing? As long as they do not attempt to somehow pressure pornstars, I don't see why they shouldn't express their concerns in a respectful manner.
Realtip, the cc companies don't care about authenticity, if they decide they don't like your content, you're screwed, there is no appeal and no competitors to go to. You might be able to run a small oneman operation without creditcard payments, but not a decent sized site. The antiporn brigade is very much aware of this and they are the ones pressuring VISA and MasterCard to cut all porn. Porn is already qualified as high-risk in the USA for cc processors. Jacco
It is not a law , they just won't process payments , you may probably sue them, but the again who would go to a public court hall to sue a company who won't let him get "prolapsing porn" "scat" or whatever extreme feature he likes? Nobody would , they know that too
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realtip Deactivated User
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Posted - Jul 11 2014 : 9:13AM
In that case, then it really doesn't matter what type of content a porn site produces. Since you're saying that credit card companies have the discretion not to allow payments to go through for sites if "they don't like your content," then what's to keep credit card companies from allowing transactions for porn site subscriptions at all? Certainly, if this is the case, then porn sites must have a back-up plan. Maybe I'm just skeptical, but I also find it odd how this credit card issue only came up after the porn industry ran the gamut of all the other reasons it was no longer producing certain types of porn. First, the reason was that porn couldn't produce XYZ anymore due to legal ramifications. That reason was debateable. So the next reason was that producing XYZ wasn't profitable due to not having a large enough audience. That claim was also brought into question. Now the claim is that porn can't produce XYZ because the credit card companies don't like it, even though they apparently never had a problem with it before, and there are still a couple of sites around that produce extreme content and don't have a problem with credit card subscriptions. Just seems weird that there's always a different reason for it, and this is the latest one. Edited by - realtip on 7/11/2014 9:15:29 AM
It hasn't "only came up after the porn industry ran the gamut of all the other reasons it was no longer producing certain types of porn", it has been going on for years. In 2000 American Express decided they would allow no more adult merchandise purchases at all.
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