The Dude is my new hero. The dating scene is redundant, almost stereotypical. I came to the conclusion I am a "Good Time Charlie." I like to have fun but don't want to settle down. It is a serious self destructive attitude. A lot of girls like that attitude so please chime in? I feel hollow, and that is the worst. I have plenty of toys, what good do they do me if I can't share them? Why do I wanna share them if that is all the girl wants?
In some of your experiences prostitutes may have been generally low-class but that isn't always true. If you go through a decent escort service the women are usually clean, attractive and at least willing to fake an orgasm if not actually have one. I would not suggest renting a street prostitute nowadays though as many of them are on drugs and not careful about how they ply their trade (although some will blow a man for $20 just to get her next hit of crack). I know Grand Rapids, MI had a "red-light district" and it was seedy and most of the prostitutes there were ugly and obviously strung out on dope (which was also sold in the same neighborhood). The escort service route is safer and more certain overall (and more expensive, unfortunately) if you want some quick pussy from an attractive prostitute.
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Posted - Sep 26 2011 : 6:44PM
Everyone has a right to their own opinion, but I think many people's ideas about prostitution are way off. Yes, they come in all shapes, sizes, skill levels ect. My experiences have been mostly positive. I don't pick up street hookers so that helps, I see escorts who are in many ways much cleaner than your average girl next door. I've met many educated women who were simply never taught a high level of personal hygiene where as most escorts I know are extremely clean. You're horny and here are your options: 1) You can TRY to attract a girl that you think is attractive who might find you attractive. You can spend hundreds of dollars taking her out on dates hoping she likes you and finds you amusing and maybe you'll get to have sex and it might even be good sex, but who knows. IF the sex is good and and you enjoy each others company, you MIGHT get married. You'll get harped on about taking out the trash, cleaning the rain gutters, leaving the toilet set up and so much more. YOU also might get cheated on, divorced, lose your house, not be able to see your kids..... I hope the sex was off the charts. 2) You get to pick a lady who is so hot you'd NEVER get her to notice you on the street. She'll provide you with amazing sex and all the things you like just the way you like them. She'll be sweet, not make any demands other than a fee, and she'll leave you with a smile on your face with no drama. You won't get your heart broken, lose your house, have to pay attorneys and she's always ready for you when ever you need her. She never has a headache or stay up with a sick kid all night. If your tastes change and you want something different, she won't be jealous and will gladly have sex with you the next time you want her. I see prostitutes and I'M the fool? LMAO!!! If you keep your head about you, don't act like a damn fol stalker, and treat these ladies like you would your first girlfriend (assuming you're a gentlemen), you'll get your monies worth and so much more. I spent years engaging the service of professional ladies and I have no regrets. Stay away from street hookers and low rent Asian/Latin houses where you might actually be contributing to slavery and worse and you'll be just fine. I have made many good friends with providers and they are all wonderful, clean, intelligent ladies.
For someone with IMO a pretty reasonable opinion about prostitutes, you have a very jaded opinion of LTRs. You seem happy with just the former, but I'll suggest you've missed out on the joys of the latter. I think Garth would say you 'missed the dance'.....and I would agree.
^ Agreed. I don't think someone is a "fool" for seeing prostitutes, but I do think that the particular perspective on relationships/women this poster expressed is sad. In my experience, expectations have a lot to do with which partner you choose and how the relationship functions. That's why so many people settle and/or are bitter.
If the "fool reference" has to do with my original post, let me clarify again: I didn't say that all guys who saw prostitutes were fools. I said: "The guys whom Kimi describes as paying for the illusion of having a sexy, fun, reciprocal relationship" are fools. This statement arose from Kimi's first-hand observations of her clientelle:To me, this seems like a fairly pitiful state for a guy to be in. Now this contrasts with something that Kimi wrote later in the thread, which seems to me to be quite different:I don't think that a guy who has a realistic (as opposed to an illusory) view about his relationship with a prostitute is a fool. "Fantasy", as Kimi describes it in the second quote, is not synonymous with "illusion", which I think Kimi was describing in the first quote. I can certainly envision circumstances under which I might see a protitute -- although, being in a committed relationship, those are not my present circumstances. However, I'd probably try to avoid doing so because I don't think I have enough emotional detachment to pull it off without being a fool. And, personally, I'd rather be a sexually frustrated non-fool than a sexually satisfied fool. But that's just me. Everyone has their own feeling about how they want to be in the world.
Of course, there are a million different ways of being a fool in life -- and I'm as prone to them as the next person, maybe more so. And perhaps that causes me to be a bit more self-consciously vigilant than some about trying to avoid foolishness. Needless to say, that stance has its own negative consequences in terms of lost naturalness and spontaneity. Oh well, life's a bitch.
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Posted - Sep 28 2011 : 3:23PM
I confess, I do have a somewhat jaded opinion of LTRs. I'm still open to them, but I will have to choose much better next time. I come by it honestly. :) I was simply making a very generalized comparison between dating/marriage and procuring the services of a paid professional. For me there are currently other factors which make LTRs difficult. Single parent, career that is not relationship friendly ect. Like I said before, everyone has a right to their own opinion. I just don't see prostitution as a bad thing or prostitutes as bad people.
I don't know what prostitution is like in usa.But in UK, most work in massage parlours or as escorts. There's not that many streetwalkers. Also it's not illegal to pay for sex etc only managing a parlour is. I admit i've had sex with prostitutes but it's not all that bad. it's no different than going to a bar etc
Doesn't seeing an escort make you feel like a complete loser if it's your only option of getting laid? I realize it usually only happens with street walkers and their johns, but society really really wants to shame these people. They get their pics posted on the internet, and they haven't even been convicted of anything at that point.. Plus I couldn't imagine doing it with a complete stranger. I don't mean that I'd have to know someone for a really long time, but you can tell the sex is going to be terrible with someone you just met 10 seconds ago and is only there for the money.
^ If that were the case, you'd just jerk off by yourself. Pretending that seeing prostitutes is solely a physical act of fluid purging is surely an exercise in self-deception.
Or I could use a syringe perhaps... but I'd maintain that having a woman (or two) there is much more enjoyable. I'd further maintain that experiences with a variety of women is that much more enjoyable. The saying is variety is the spice of life. There's no asterisk that says: except for the social construct that says you should only have sexual relations with one woman.... but yeah, feel free to try as many things that are out there of everything else. :)
^^^ You've just made Gore Gore Girl's point for her. Enjoyment > Fluid-Release Saying that prostitutes are only a sperm bucket for you is just your way of dehumanizing them and obscuring your need for them. But that's obvious to everybody but you. :)
What's the difference from paying a girl for sex or taking her to a movie and dinner first then getting sex? Either way you are losing funds for pussy. And I've had sex with girls I've just met and it was anything but terrible. Sounds to me like you are just talking about shit you know nothing about. And no I've never been with a prostitute that I just hand over cash to fuck but I have gone on plenty of dates and gotten laid at the end of the night. Same shit except one girl leaves after and the other tries to forget their toothbrush at my house.
Agree that the enjoyment I get is much greater than fluid release. A big part of that is the new experience with each new woman. No dehumanizing taking place at all. There might be slight class issues involved... like the relationship between a patron in a restaurant and a waitress... but it's still an interaction between two (or more) people. My point was that I don't particularly care why a particular waitress is working in a particular restaurant as long as I get what I ordered, preferably with enthusiastic service. :) Edited by - amadeo on 10/5/2011 11:34:25 AM
And don't forget that it doesn't have to be an either/or decision. This isn't some college ethics class where you have to choose between grey and light grey. I prefer BOTH myself. :)
I would certainly hope the date starts a loving long-term relationship myself. However, there is one difference between a date and a prostitute. The prostitute will have sex with you, almost guaranteed (unless you pick up a vice cop). If you date just for sex, plan on 10-20 dates before getting any! A prostitute is much cheaper in many cases -- dinner and a movie or a show costs a minimum of $100 now in my area, ten dates costs $1000-$1500 and the odds of sex are about 50/50. A prostitute can be obtained cheaper (if you don't mind the slight risk of arrest for prostitution) and you are much more likely to get some pussy.
If we're just talking plain economics, it can go either way. Some might argue a long term relationship means greater stability in the home, which often translates into financial stability. My wife's family and my family have companies that do business together so I'd say that our long term relationship happens to be rather beneficial in monetary terms. That said, I've seen plenty of long term relationships where one side is living off the other side like a parasite.... and in cases of divorce it often magnifies and continues in perpetuity. Back to prostitutes... I have no doubt that if I had to choose between taking on a 19 year old college student as a 'long term' mistress, and stopping by Emmanuelle or Poseidon for a 2 hour bath, massage, and etc., the former would quickly escalate into a situation where the woman in question would soon want a condominium, possibly a car, and perhaps even her own family. The latter makes much more sense financially when you look at it from that point of view. Not to mention in terms of variety, it's more enjoyable. Nothing wrong with looking at this from all angles. It's just a discussion, right?
I have seen many escorts over the years in my counrty (UK) i am very very careful of who I choose to visit, I mainly look for the ones id like to too, and have good feedback, mainly verbal i will not see kerb crawlers or parlour girls if you need more info, im willing to talk about it
Do you not use adultwork.com? I've seen over 100 girls from there and if you pick out the one's with at least several positive feedbacks you are almost guaranteed that they are going to be genuine! I'm based in the Southeast of the UK btw.
To me, thats not even the biggest factor. When I pay shitloads of money for dates, at least I get a nice steak dinner and a few drinks too. The complications women seem to cause in my life is a much bigger cost. I guess if I really found love with a chick that was up to par sexually, then the day to day bullshit of a relationship would be worth it. But my previous experiences were just not worth the sex. I guess I've had bad luck. I don't patronize porstitutes though. I guess I'll just hope I have better relationship luck in the future. And in the mean time, there are always a few sluts I could probably call.
Blown implies I have regrets over the money I have spent, I don't! Seeing hookers is a hobby, I like nsa sex with hot women. My budget is around $500 a month. I know guys who spent $100k a year, but it's all relative to what you earn. I'm very sensible with money, but at the same time, I don't plan on dieing rich!
Cute, earthy and natural, car models, light, tan or dark, voluptuous, athletic, waif life, milf like, 18 or 30,.... I'd say it's cool in general. Nothing like a mid afternoon 'nooner' (as they called them in the old days) to keep your day fresh, or to take your mind off the stock/forex market or to give your mind a break while working through a business issue. :)
to all of you who talks shit about prostitutes and is it against morale or not, just for a moment picture yourself old and sick, getting ready to die and remembering all your life...this exact moment all your morale means jack shit, all you can think about this moment will be how much beautiful women and girls you could fuck, pussy eat, how much nice warm young bodies could feel next to you and you die totally disappointed in the end...because you cannot turn back time
^^ Somehow I think that my memories of places my SO amd I went and experiences we have shared is what I will think about on my deathbed. Not a desire to have bed more women.
I'm probably in a minority here but having used an escort once, who was very nice, attentive and sexy, I couldn't mentally get past the knowledge that she was only with me for money and was faking, however good she was. Sex is a turn off for me unless the girl is also enjoying it and if we're all being honest then, if it wasn't her job, an escort would rather be somewhere else.
^ This is true. I think it's interesting that we don't have similar hopes of genuine excitement and enjoyment when getting a massage, having someone care for our children, etc. I know a lot of sex workers, and by far the biggest gripe is customers that want them to have an orgasm. That's the part they don't enjoy. They *do* enjoy doing their job well and getting paid. They also enjoy the work more when the client understands how the transaction is meant to proceed, doesn't run over time, treats the worker well, etc.
^ I'm not arguing your point, but I'll offer this--something I think your thoughtful prostitute might miss. For some men, their own orgasm is the sole point of the thing. It might be just with the prostitute, or it might be in all their relationships. But for many men, making the woman orgasm is a important part of the session. It could be self-centered--a feeling of expertise or coxmanship that you could make the parter cum. Or it could just be a genuine concern in trying to share the joy and let the partner get something out of her effort besides the money. There's also the fact that many find a woman's sexual pleasure as part of the stimulus that feeds back into his own. For a lot of men, regardless of what many women may say or think, sex isn't a self-centered, one-way street. For men who don't care about their partners as anything more than an available pussy (or ass, or mouth)--they'd likely be as happy at home humping a pillow or a doll. I understand that you're saying the prostitute's satisfaction comes from a job well done--but asking the customer to think that way takes some work. In my own case, were I to visit a prostitute--your comment makes sense in an intellectual way, but I don't know if I could really apply it in action. If I were a regular customer--maybe over time I could work that out in my head.
^ I don't think they have missed that. I think they understand it fully. All of the workers I know also perform orgasms as requested. They do the job, and they do it well (at least, I know that one of them does--she is excellent at her job and very believable), but they still find that aspect irritating and, yes, they sometimes associate it with men who think they're givers but are actually takers. From what they have told me, they recognize the difference between the selfish version and the version where it's just a sensitive guy who wants to feel like they're having a mutual sexual experience. In either case, the workers I know will provide that service, just more happily in some cases than others.
I assume it's intuition. But from the stories they tell me, it's not that hard to tell. The selfish ones are also assholes in other ways. The nice guys, the workers like them as people to hang out with too. As a whole, however, being asked to experience genuine sexual pleasure is reported to be a drag. This is just info from my interactions with a handful of people though.
^ I'm sure a few men like turning off everything and being the sole center of attention with no obligation to reciprocate--the kind of guys who like going to a geisha house. But for sex--it's hard to turn off all the cultural conditioning and morals regarding concern for "her" pleasure too. It's not really like a massage--it's a shared experience. It's hard to think of it solely as one-way street. Unless we're talking handjobs or blowjobs--I never expect the woman to get anything out of that herself. Maybe it's the voyeur in me, but it's one of the problems I have with porn. I know it's a performance but I don't care for it that way. I always like it far better if I think it's genuine--that it's what people would be doing even if they weren't being filmed.
I think in other countries they do it because of money and to have a better life. Some do it to sustain their extravagant lifestyles. Lucky for those who found the love of their life and buy her the world (if she's faithful though it's worth-it for the man and the prostitute I think).
Posted - Aug 25 2011 : 12:37AM
