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I'm not talking about your standard interracial sex scenes...I'm talking about one with racial slurs or any of the performers using slurs or just disrespecting a certain race or ethnic group... I remember a scene from balls deep a few years ago...Roxy Jezel was getting fucked by a black guy and she dropped quite a few "N" bombs... I think i remember hearing about Barbara Summers doing something similar...haven't seen it though... Any other stories?
Kazmire15, I'm not sure you're interested in seeing them but if you are you might want to check out the Hush Hush ir DVDs, they are filled with racial slurs and sterotype scenarios. alexl467
There were no racial slurs in Sex World. It was a John Leslie/Jenniffer West scene where he makes a comment about black pussy not smelling like he thought it would. As for as N-bombs and stuff like that, none.
To my displeasure, Annette Schwarz calls a couple of dudes that deplorable word in a couple of scenes in different films for Jake Malone/Evil Angel [I'll have to find chapter and verse later]. In one of those scenes, she asks the guy if she can call him that word and he pauses and says sure. Back in the nineties, Extreme Associates/Rob Black put out a title or two where that word (and I'm not using it here out of respect to members who prefer not to read it--I myself don't like writing 'N word'). As a fan, it seemed to me that this practice played a part in decline of the great Tom Byron/Sean Michaels teaming that powered so many great scenes in the mid 1990s. I prefer not to hear such slurs in an adult film but have less of a problem with some of the derogatory terms used on women It is my understanding that women can and do establish which names they may and may not be called...unless the director is Khan Tusion. But what bothered me the most was when Randy West would use some weird California/surfer dude patois when talking to Black actors or about Blacks. "Ever done it with a soul brother?" he'd say to an up and comer while Jake Steed had that 'you've got to be kidding me, this aint the 1970s' look on his face. And it goes both ways. Homeboys calling each other that word in a pr0n film to set a gang scene panders to the least savory aspects of the miscegenation fantasy that is about to be played out. Guys, next time could one of you suck it up and give the director a note?
I'm pretty sure I've seen some movies where the black guys actually demand from the girl to be called the N-word. I don't see any problem in that as long as the black guy(s) in the scene have no problem with it themselves.
Hmmm. That kind of thing turns you on, huh? Well check out Rob Black's The Cellar (AKA "Cellar A Whole New Store-y"). In it Mila takes on Tony Eveready and Byron Long in a nasty anal scene in which she baits them by calling them "The N-word" about a dozen times.
good topic. a long time ago,i heard on howard stern,,,a clip he played quite often.it was a sound/byte from a porno where a white girl was being told by her black "counterpart" to, with each and every hard thrust,,to say "fuck me.n----r/fuck me.n----r". and other things along those lines.i was always driving,and could never remember the name of the movie on the few occasions he actually named it.but i found it VERY exciting!! on the meatholes site,,jake malone(half jewish-he states) told rene pornero(german)to "suck my jewish balls and asshole you nazi whore." i'm NOT a racist.but i would love to find material like this. i'm a white male.and i've ALWAYS wanted to find scenes that have a group of black men ganging up on a white girl.the whole time THEY slur HER and demand she use the "N" word toward them. i'm a big fan of nasty/demeaning talk during scenes.and other than max hardcore and a select FEW others out there,,,i think it's hard to find this content.the closest i've found include Black attack gang bang.gangsta bang.and 6 black sticks-1 white chick. for those replying with negative comments to this persons original post,,,remember,this is porn.and it's fantasy.to each thier own.i applaud this post,and will check up on it to hopefully hear of some sites to check out on hardcore trashtalking while different skin colors fuck one another. IT'S HOT!!!!
I've never listened to Stern (I live in Canada and I don't have satellite radio, so I've never really had the chance), so I can't say for sure... But this sound byte may have been from any number of porn flicks, or it may have been from the Todd Solondz movie Storytelling. In the first half of the movie, "Fiction", Selma Blair gets it on with her college prof, who's black, and he insists that she say this with each thrust. Initially she can't bring herself to do it, but as the thrusts get harder, she barks it out louder and louder. I don't think it's necessarily hot or not; I'm just saying that the soundbyte could have come from that movie. If you cats are really interested in finding out about more flicks where this kind of thing happens a lot, check out anything with Spring Thomas, as mentioned above (she's pretty much the queen of the N-bomb); there are also many flicks from Hush Hush/<bShane Diesel</b where the girls are ordered to refer to the guys by that particular racial slur. Also Barbie Cummings never shied away from using it, and on her site she drops the N-bomb more often than [ invalid url ].
In the upcoming Not Bewitched XXX there are a number of humorous references to "Negros" and "Colored People" as those were the terms most used during the 1960s which is the setting for this sex comedy. I think these references are pretty funny in the story but our co-producer Scott David thinks I went WAY over the top and shouldn't have used such terms. I think he almost equates them with the N word but I was just trying to be historically correct (and funny of course) when nosy neighbor Gladys Kravitz gets banged by Tabitha's little black doll that springs to life. Scott was sweating it out waiting to see if our distributor was going to allow it especially after we had some controversy that started with the Howard Stern Show some months back talking about the offensive sounding nature of our 'Long Dong Black Kong' interracial series title. People that see those movies can be the judge but I really think this is all pretty funny and should be thought of that way. Can somebody explain where the term Honky comes from? Ha!
I view it as artistic freedom. There are very few situations that an African American would over look being called a nigger. Balls deep in a white girl is probably one of them.
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Posted - Sep 7 2008 : 5:59PM
I like it and im black. They have no problem doing scenes with a black dude so they cant be racist. Its just acting. The ones i don't like are the porn girls on myspace who use the N word on there but wont even do a scene with a black dude. Spring is one of my all time favorite pros. my fav. was when spring made violet blue aka noname jane say it. She didn't want to. Edited by - awall on 9/7/2008 6:07:16 PM
"cant (sic) be racist."? I think that's oversimplifying things a bit. You're talking about people who will lick bodily fluids out of a stranger's orifice for the right price. They suck it up (no pun intended) and do what they have to if they need the money badly enough. Besides, anyone who follows porn knows that Jessica Darlin banged many a black guy in her day, but she obviously had a problem with it at some level--as evidenced by her later ruminations. (BTW, I'm black too and while I generally don't buy movies to see chicks who are on record as not being into interracial (e.g., Jenna Jameson, Tera Patrick, Taylor Rain) I respect their prerogative to work with whoever they want, for whatever reason)
Just watch those "Blackzilla" flicks. Enough said! And yes, Annette Schwarz uses the word in Belladonna's "Dark Meat #1" (a classic, BTW), when Rico Strong is up in her ass!
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You can add Lexi Bardot to the list. I believe it's in 1 Lucky Fuck #1, she surprises everyone when she uses the N word, you can tell by the reactions during the scene and the BTS. She even refers to herself as a cracker, crazy scene.
This just makes me think of the statement that only a white person would ever consider themselves "colour blind". If you've been discriminated against based on your race throughout your entire life, you're going to believe in race, I assure you. [edit: left out "against". Duh.] Edited by - killbillvol69 on 9/8/2008 5:37:40 PM
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Posted - Sep 8 2008 : 6:31PM
So those who have been discriminated against are racists? Well then can you define race?
No, obviously I was saying it to disprove your point, which was: those who acknowledge race are racist.Why yes, I can. Recognizing of course that race is quite likely far more of a social construct than it is a "hard science", it can be defined as a group of people who share common ancestry from a particular part of the world, with some traits in common which are, for the most part, not shared by others. Of course the concepts of "race" and "culture" are often intertwined as well. Now, is this how it should be defined (if it even should be)? Not necessarily. But is this, for all practical purposes, how the concept plays itself out in day-to-day life? Yes. Statements like "race doesn't exist" are fine in the sense that they strive for a higher standard of being and equality amongst all humans - but they don't help one at all to recognize and understand what goes on everyday. If you were to convince a black child who is being racially discriminated against that race does not exist, they would be left with no answers for the reasons for their discrimination other than that they are simply inferior to the other children, and that's the way it is. In other words, if you took away from that child that he is black, by the normal social definitions, then he would have no means of processing why he is being discriminated against. He would be left with no means by which to counter the discrimination by attempting to educate those around him, or understand (and possibly forgive) their discrimination due to historical context, etc. He would therefore have to accept that the other children are right to discriminate against him, because he has no reason to suspect otherwise. Clearly, not a great situation. Thus, the oft-repeated notion that the only people who are free to make claims that "race doesn't exist" (or similar claims), are those who are not being racially discriminated against.
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Posted - Sep 8 2008 : 7:11PM
I don't wish to make this political, but we have a guy like Obama whose mother's maiden name was Ann Dunham and she was raised in Kansas. His father, as I am sure everyone knows was from Africa. So what is his common ancestry? I seems to me that by the definition that you have offered, he can only be defined racially as coming from the group of humans whose ancestors come from specific areas of Kansas and Africa.I don't really think that you mean to say that that race needs to exist only to make discrimination logical, do you?
This is exactly why I said it is far more of a social construct than it is a hard science. As such, it is compliant to society's interest, and society will manipulate the definition as it sees fit at times. Like the "one drop of black blood makes you a slave" rule in pre-abolition USA (it is an extension of this ancient definition of "black" that leads to Obama being considered black today). But that doesn't mean that if you say the word "race", most people in the room have no idea what you're talking about. They will, by and large but with a few exceptions, be thinking the same thing.No. I don't think I ever said anything like that. But what I did say is that race does exist (in the context I've outlined in my previous post, as well as above), and if you try to convince someone that it doesn't, they will be ill-equipped to deal with day-to-day situations regarding race. Due to some of your outrageous statements (like the one quoted above, as well as "So those who have been discriminated against are racists?"), I'm leaning towards assuming you're just trying to get me riled up, or being intentionally dense in order to extend an argument into a theoretical realm in which it doesn't exist as it is a practical matter, or taking the piss.
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Posted - Sep 8 2008 : 8:22PM
killbillvol69; I am certainly not trying to rile you up. Those quotes that you identify as outrageous are simply logical extensions of you statements. I try to engage in well reasoned discourse, which up to now I think that we are having, whenever possible, which is why I post here. From various things that I have read, I have come to conclude that the purpose of the concept of race, was to justify inhumane (or perhaps we might substitute un-Christian) treatment of other human beings. I at least agree with you that it is certainly a social construct, but that in no way validates it, which I think is what you are unintentionally doing. I do think your thoughts of it being in a society's interest is weak. Was Hiter's use of methods of mass execution of people ultimately beneficial to German society? I think you would agree that it was not. The only reason I have issues with the marketing of porn along racial lines is that I think it demeaning to all involved and tends to legitimize ugly stereotypes of both women and man. Believe me, I am not trying to be dense.
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Posted - Sep 8 2008 : 10:17PM
^ That's the point I was trying to make in another thread. Racism will be here until people just become "people". The more you recognize race and ascribe social or other differences to it the longer we will have "racism". For instance , why should it make any difference what race I am on a job app? Now on a medical history I can understand due to certain races having different medical problems but race has been applied to every form of reason and excuse known to man.
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@Clamdigger: I think we're much closer to agreeing than either of us realized, but we'll see after this post.You're right, of course, but if I may I'll just mention a little something here. "Race" was often used to justify what, at the time, was considered good Christian treatment. (The Negroes can't look after themselves since they are heathens; we need to take control of them and make them Christian. etc.) But obviously as a society we've moved past that. Which I'm sure we can agree is a good thing.I'm not trying to validate it; I'm trying to acknowledge the current existence of the concept of "race" (and thus "racism"), and find out where to go from here. I think many past and present attempts at breaking free from various racist traditions and constructs have made the mistake of assuming that if we pretend that there is no problem, this will make it so. There isn't anything wrong with wishing for good things to come, but without the practical assessment of what there is currently, you simply won't be able to address issues as they are, in order to move forward. Consider it a realist/practicalist approach, as opposed to an idealist one. As far as the Hitler example, were his decisions ultimately beneficial for the German Aryans? No. But only because they lost the war. That's the kind of thing I mean. It's not that all of society will benefit from the manipulation of the "race" concept. But some segment of the population will benefit (or at least expects to). And back to porn:I'm right with you here. If there could just be porn flicks with people in them, sometimes white, sometimes black, sometimes whatever colour under the rainbow, that would be great. Seeing no more "Big Black Cocks Impale Tiny White Teens #37" titles would be sooooo nice - so long as it doesn't eliminate all actors with dark skin from the talent pool. Again, accepting what there is now so we can move forward. Moving forward isn't saying "well, these interracial titles are enforcing stereotypes, so let's just not have any more interracial scenes". Moving forward is saying "Let's have interracial scenes and not make a big deal out of it". That's what I'd like to see. Finally: I'm glad to know that you're not trying to rile me up. I hate that. :)
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Posted - Sep 9 2008 : 3:17AM
But Doing a black guy is seem as a worst act than licking a stranger's orifice. Jessica's racism came on later, not when she was doing blacks. It's pointless to become a racist after being with so many black men. I mean the klan would never accept you. I remember some story about a porn girl getting kicked out the klan for doing black dudes. I don't buy dodger stuff either. It's just weird to me how black guys are the only ones singled out by them when it comes to interracial/attraction. Asians, latinos, arabs, ect...they're just fine with them. It would be one big diverse orgy, were everybody screws everybody, if black guys weren't around. That's like saying we are not human, its their bodies, they can do what they please but i would never support that. Outside the U.S.A, i here in porn, it doesnt even matter to any girl if the guy is black or not.
BLOWFISH - Got a witness. True story. A million years ago, I'm in the U.S. Navy and living in New London, Connecticut. One night these two white girls pick up my buddy and me, (him white, me not), in a club and take us home for the weekend to the trailer they shared. For the next two days all I did was eat, sleep, fuck and suck this little blonde firecracker that I'd hooked up with. On Sunday morning, the four of us were laying around outside in lounge chairs, just chillin', havin' a few beers, and enjoyin' the sunshine, spent from all the fuckin'. My life did not suck. As we're relaxin', the girl I was with's father came by to talk to her about something. He took one look at me, sized up the situation, then he looked at her and said, "So, you're fuckin' niggers now, huh?" My buddy hops up, foaming and frothing, and wanting to kick old guy's ass. Not me. I thought: "For the past 48 hours I've been knee deep in this guy's daughter's puss, and when I wasn't, she was trying to suck my unit, balls and all, clean off my body. I am a happy, happy camper. There is NOTHING that this man can say to me that's gonna ruin MY day." I didn't even get up. BSD
I can't remember which episode, but one of the Little White Chicks, Big Black Monster Dicks has a scene that starts off damn funny. A hot, big tit, blonde girl (which pretty much is every woman in those movies) is watching a white guy and black guy fight. And yea, it's the tried and true *a fight a fight, and n-bomb and a white*. Of course the black guy knocks out the white dude, and the girl ends up fucking the black guy. She really hated it. BSD's story is hilarious. I never had a white father call me out of my name. Actually, they just want to talk politics or drink beer. But I have had plenty of suburban white girls try to talk what they thought was black. Some chick from a 4000 sq ft home asking me to *break her off* is some funny shit. Yea *Jen*, I'm gonna break you off.
When Spring Thomas, Barbie Cummings, and Shane Diesal all use the N-bomb in their videos it is all scripted. Actually I find it pretty boring. Its part of their schtick to sell the video. The one scene where I did see it where it actually made the scene better was the Lexi Bardot scene in 1 Lucky Fuck #1. Lexi Bardot uses the word spontaneously and in the heat of the moment. She even calls herself a "cracker whore". She tells Lefty Larue to "fuck that cracker pussy with that nigger dick". His reaction is to fuck faster. When its done spontaneously it can make the scene better. Just my two cents.
Friends - On topic, I have that Lexi Bardot scene from "1 Lucky Fuck #1". I agree that her what seemed to be spontaneous use of the word "nigger", was provocative, (in a good way), and did seem to energize everybody involved in the scene. BSD
The thing that bothers me the most with HushHush's "n" bomb usage is, that it feels so forced. It's obvious that most of the girls are uncomfortable with using it. To me, it takes away from the scene. I hope it never becomes a staple in IR porn. But i dont really mind the niche.
I know she does it in Slutwoman and I don't have a problem with it and neither do the guys in question. And being black I actually find it less offensive than all that "fuck my white pussy with that black dick" that goes on in most IR scenes. That I find offensive because it's so fake and forced by people who apparently have forgotten this is VIDEO and the races of the participants are obvious. Annette was hot because it was her fantasy and not only did she ask permission, but out of the context of the scene could not bring herself to say it. It's all a matter of context. Within the moment people call each other all sorts of names. Try calling your girl a "fucking slut" in the supermarket the way you do in bed and see what happens. I think Adriana Joliee does it in a gangbang as well. There's even a video where they try to get the girls to say it in every scene and call it progress, but quite a few refuse.
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Posted - Sep 14 2008 : 10:11PM
The black talent might be okay with it cause it's "just porn" and they want a paycheck, but you better beleive it wasn't their idea. Its the white dudes who bankroll the stuff that ask for it. You'll never see that crap in black produced and directed IR porn (such as LT's movies, Alexander Devoe, Lex Steele's output at Mercenary) Edited by - tritone on 9/14/2008 10:20:39 PM
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Posted - Sep 14 2008 : 10:19PM
See this is what I am talking about. This "call me a n*gger" stuff is a white male fantasy. I saw this movie Storytelling and while the Prof. might have been black, the character was written by Solondz, who is white. I've said this before and I'll repeat it here. Many white guys who watch IR are not interested in seeing hot, passionate sex scenes. They want to see a girl being "degraded" by having sex with black males (who they view as inferior). Having the woman state repeatedly that she is screwing a N-word just drives home the fantasy in a much more visceral way. Why do we see so few IR foot fetish scenes, Handjobs, pantyhose fetish, etc. Because these same viewers are not interested in seeing black dudes in the same kind of dynamic sexual roles as white males. They only want them as souless props to defile white women. Period. Edited by - tritone on 9/14/2008 10:22:32 PM
Seems like Annette Schwarz uses it a lot and I saw that scene in Dark Meat by the way. I myself for whatever reason do not get offended when it is used in porn between white women and black men. I never seen it where a white guy called a black woman that. My only thing is it should be noted on the movie cover or something that racial slurs are being used because some people would not want to hear that type of language.
Well, I do agree with that. But that probably won't work. There should be warning signs on the front cover of Jake Malone's "Fuck Slaves" flicks to warn people how extreme it is, but I doubt it'll happen. When I saw the warning sign on the front cover of Justin Slayer's "Black Pipe Layers 4", especially after seeing it, I was like "Rightfully so!", because the sex in that flick is just too intense and brutal! The N-word is used here and there in Justin Slayer's flicks and he even encourages the white ladies to say it. But it's not as "bad" as those "Blackzilla" flicks with Shane Diesel. Those flicks are over-the-top and absurd with it!
I saw the movie "Storytelling" and I didn't think the sex scene was degrading at all. They were just having rough sex. One thing I don't like is how some people call rough sex "rough sex" when it's a white-on-white sex scene. But if it's a black-on-white sex scene that's rough, people want to say that it's "degrading", or "violent". "Storytelling" is an example of this and so was the sex scene in "O" with Julia Stiles & Mekhi Phifer. People thought of that to be a "violent rape scene" instead of the rough sex scene that it honestly was. But when you see Michael Douglas and Mickey Rourke engaging in the same kind of rough sex scenes in some of the movies they've starred in, they are considered "hot" and "steamy". That shit really bothers me. And trust me, there are people out here who have that kind of mindset. While it may be true that some white male viewers want to see black men defiling white women, not all IR pornography is like that. I mean, let's face it, I'm unsure if you will ever see an interracial (BM/WF) version of Jake Malone's "Fuck Slaves" or even an interracial flick like Christoph Clark's "Euro Hardball" flicks, where you see women's assholes being stretched and reamed out as if they've been hit there with a cannonball and shit. I have only seen maybe one or two "degrading" BM/WF interracial pornos in my time. However I don't think any of them could even top some of the most nastiest shit that I've seen in any of those "Gangland White Boy Stomp" flicks! I will agree that some white male viewers only want to see the woman being humiliated or dominated. And it's not just in IR pornography that they want to see this occur in. You see a lot of this shit in Japanese anime pornography and even flicks by Jake Malone, Max Hardcore, Rocco Siffredi, Christoph Clark, etc..., where the woman gets to be dominated and gets pushed to her limits, physically and psychologically.
While I respect your feelings you are not the sum total of the Black experience in the world and your outlook is just that, yours. Also, you totally misunderstand Storytelling. The very fact that you lump into the same category as porn is your first clue. That scene was not done to "titillate" anyone. It's not erotic entertainment. It was a study in power. The professor obviously took a great pleasure in humiliating his White female students as they tried to fulfill some "black stud" fantasy and he stripped away any pretense of it being a relationship by forcing them to address him in a degrading race while he fucked them. To view it as erotic entertainment is to view her sex scene with her palsy afflicted boyfriend as also some type of fetish porn, which it was not. Also, you cannot remove Annette Schwartz's scene from its context of being a sexual fantasy for her and not anyone else. It's her desire to do those things, not director Mason's. I'm sure there's no shortage of people who got off on her letting "nigger" fly, but there's also no shortage of men or women who get off on women being called names either. It doesn't mean they see all women as "cum sucking sluts" or view themselves as "fucking whores" just because they enjoy it in context of erotic entertainment. Similarly, just because someone enjoys the use of racial word play, it doesn't mean they want put a hood on and lynch the person living next door. Similarly, while you insist Lexington Steele and Alexander DeVoe are better, how many of their films would be left if you eliminated every racial reference? I mean, it's video.. I don't need him to tell me it's a white woman sucking a big black dick. Not to mention, just because you don't find "white bitch" (about a million times more prevalent than "nigger") offensive doesn't mean someone else doesn't. But for them as well, it's about context. You cannot remove it from the context of a fantasy. As Woody Allen once said, "Is sex dirty? If you're doing it right." And porn is dirty. I save my examinations of sociological implications for other forms of media that have a genuine impact on society. Edited by - DarkPlaces on 9/16/2008 1:15:53 AM
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Posted - Sep 16 2008 : 1:59AM
I agree with most of what you said up until this last sentence. Porn does have an impact on society, just like all art or media. Why are so many young men on this forum repulsed by female pubic hair? Is that not the result of pornography shaping their sexual expectations and tastes? @Long Noel, I agree with Dark Places that the sex scene in Storytelling is supposed to be humiliating, that is why the girl is upset about it. It's hardly portrayed as a healthy bout of rough-housing sex.
No, art by and large is a reflection of society and porn is no exception. But porn doesn't have nearly the social impact of mainstream art, be it ridiculous or sublime. Literally billions of people can have their interests piqued by the right film (WWII< Titanic, etc) or getting a haircut because they saw it on a star. Porn ain't doing that. And total waxing I feel is a reaction to the tremendous gains women have made very quickly over the last few decades. It infantilizes them, making them and less threatening. Similarly the upswing in more aggressive sex. For a dude who can't handle his female boss, coming home and whacking off to shaven doppleganger of her getting choked, slapped and anally gangbanged is just the ticket.
Dani Daniels: The Iconic Collection - review by Captain Jack
Posted - Sep 4 2008 : 11:53PM
