Racial Sex Scenes (page 6)

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C-Hammer Member 66 Posts 7/09	Posted - Aug 11 2009 : 11:28PM C-Hammer wrote: Hannah Westxxx wrote: C hammer .. a personal prefernce? I don't do IR as a personal preference. My preference needs zero support. Your prefernce deserves zero backlash as well as mine... Edited by - Hannah Westxxx on 8/11/2009 10:25:50 PM Click to expand That's true Hannah, although I think I said that already lol. I'm not dogging you for making a choice who you do and don't want to have sex with, I'm just saying that my personal preference is to only support girls that do make a choice to do IR. I'm not the kind of person who tries to limit one's personal freedoms/choices. I even support Sammy The Bull's right to say what he did two posts up...as idiotic as it may be:) Click to expand Although after thinking about that last statement I may have to retract it. You may have exposed me as being a hypocrite since my avatar is Jade Jolie, a girl I find extremely sexy but has never done IR ( although she hasn't done too much porn period so I don't know if it's fair to say she won't). Regardless I love Jade's look and I probably won't stop supporting her so maybe you have taught me something about myself tonight. You have my apologies if I offended you in any way and I wish you nothing but success:) [Link]
Hannah Westxxx Member The classy side of shameless 506 Posts 8/07	Posted - Aug 11 2009 : 11:43PM I don't mean to be rude.. I'm just pushing a point here (forgive me for being a smartass) can it be said that you would NOT support me for NOT having sex with 12 year olds? can it be said you support people who do have sex with 12 year olds for not limiting their sexual boundaries? (sadly, according to statistics, for some this is a sexual preference. As those people are judged for acting upon this sexual desire, is it the same to say that we should be judged by not acting?) You speak of boundaries and supporting those who have zero limits.. but truth be told, you should consider boundaries in form of sex more carefully. I thoroughly support pushing my boundaries and limits. However, my limits will never be the same as yours or those who touch kids. I say support people for having an opinion/preference and standing by it without selling out.. Even when times are hard. I stay true in my performance with acts that I personally desire. I will not be a cop out. Support that my friend. [Link]
Hannah Westxxx Member The classy side of shameless 506 Posts 8/07	Posted - Aug 11 2009 : 11:45PM Oh not offended at all.. you actually approached it much more respectfully than some in the past I support your opinion. :) rock on.. [Link]
C-Hammer Member 66 Posts 7/09	Posted - Aug 12 2009 : 12:01AM Hannah Westxxx wrote: I don't mean to be rude.. I'm just pushing a point here (forgive me for being a smartass) can it be said that you would NOT support me for NOT having sex with 12 year olds? can it be said you support people who do have sex with 12 year olds for not limiting their sexual boundaries? (sadly, according to statistics, for some this is a sexual preference. As those people are judged for acting upon this sexual desire, is it the same to say that we should be judged by not acting?) You speak of boundaries and supporting those who have zero limits.. but truth be told, you should consider boundaries in form of sex more carefully. I thoroughly support pushing my boundaries and limits. However, my limits will never be the same as yours or those who touch kids. I say support people for having an opinion/preference and standing by it without selling out.. Even when times are hard. I stay true in my performance with acts that I personally desire. I will not be a cop out. Support that my friend. Click to expand Some valid points I agree with some of this and disagree with other parts, but most importantly I respect your right to say it and to work with who you want. As I said with the Jade Jolie post, I am reassessing my stand on this as we debate so I'm not going to try to run you down. A lot of people have piled on you during the course of this thread and you've stood your ground. If nothing else that deserves to be respected:) [Link]

Hannah Westxxx Member The classy side of shameless 506 Posts 8/07	Posted - Aug 12 2009 : 1:12AM mutual respect. [Link]
illmatic Member 194 Posts 9/06	Posted - Aug 12 2009 : 3:46AM Hannah West, why do you even bother responding to this, or anything related to the subject of 'ir'. Every time you open your mouth on this subject, you start flame wars because you tend to say really stupid shit. You are making an analogy between sex with a black male, and sex with a minor, and somehow think you are making a valid point. Seriously? And you expect people to think that not doing 'ir' somehow makes you a princpled person. Your powers of logic and reasoning are truly epic. Must be that fine Alabama education. [Link]
cholmes58 Member 75 Posts 7/09	Posted - Aug 12 2009 : 8:59AM C-Hammer wrote: C-Hammer wrote: Although after thinking about that last statement I may have to retract it. You may have exposed me as being a hypocrite since my avatar is Jade Jolie, a girl I find extremely sexy but has never done IR ( although she hasn't done too much porn period so I don't know if it's fair to say she won't). Regardless I love Jade's look and I probably won't stop supporting her so maybe you have taught me something about myself tonight. You have my apologies if I offended you in any way and I wish you nothing but success:) Click to expand "avatar"....interesting choice of word. I know what the dictionary definition is, but what do YOU mean when you refer to Jade Jolie as your avatar?? [Link]
Hannah Westxxx Member The classy side of shameless 506 Posts 8/07	Posted - Aug 12 2009 : 2:31PM illamatic.. thank you for sterotyping alabama education. It truely shows how educated you are too. Why am I supposed to keep my mouth shut? All of you get to sit around and shit talk and praise.. I'll do the same.. The point is valid! Its a preference.. he was speaking in terms of boundaries.. perhaps you should re-read.. how about that comprehension.. how did you fair on your reading exams in school? Did you ever have to flip back to answer those multiple questions? Here's another example of why I combat fucks like you.. you keep putting my name in your mouth saying DUMB SHIT and I'm not going to always stand down when I feel like I'm right. Nobody said anything offensive, although this topic always gets offensive.. (heavily played out).. and then sore asses like you come along disrespecting people.. nice cycle, really. (didn't see this coming at all) When all along I'm the one getting discriminated against for let's see.. not doing IR.. being from Alabama.. ect.. WOW your point is sooooo valid .. do you not see how much this contradicts everything? Jesus. If I could paint you a finger painting I would.. be sure to go back and re-read all of this.. wouldn't want you fucking your response up. [Link]
Ramsey Senior Member Trina Michaels fan 10332 Posts 10/02	Posted - Aug 12 2009 : 2:49PM illmatic, I wouldn't bother with it, it's really not worth it! I mean there are more hotter girls who do IR compared to those who don't. It's important to focus on those who do and ignore the ones who don't. It's better that way! [Link]
pegpelvispete Member 286 Posts 6/09	Posted - Aug 12 2009 : 3:21PM cholmes58 wrote: "avatar"....interesting choice of word. I know what the dictionary definition is, but what do YOU mean when you refer to Jade Jolie as your avatar?? Click to expand The picture underneath folks' usernames is called an avatar. His avatar is a picture of Jade Jolie. illmatic wrote: Hannah West, why do you even bother responding to this, or anything related to the subject of 'ir'. Every time you open your mouth on this subject, you start flame wars because you tend to say really stupid shit. You are making an analogy between sex with a black male, and sex with a minor, and somehow think you are making a valid point. Seriously? And you expect people to think that not doing 'ir' somehow makes you a princpled person. Your powers of logic and reasoning are truly epic. Must be that fine Alabama education. Click to expand She's starting a flame war? Then why are you responding by insulting her when she and C-Hammer talk it out, agree to disagree, and amicably part ways on the matter? Who's the flamer here? [Link]
illmatic Member 194 Posts 9/06	Posted - Aug 12 2009 : 5:27PM Pay closer attention to what's going on here. I didn't call and have never called out a chick on not performing ir scenes. Leave that to the other ir maniacs on this board. I frankly don't give a shit. That's their choice. By the same token, I don't think a girl deserves any praise or respect for the choice not to perform ir scenes, as if they are somewhat more principled in that decision. That's just a ridiculous notion. This broad has a history of saying stupid, nonsensical, shit when she thinks she's making a valid point. She basically just compared a sick, depraved act (having sex with a minor) to a black male/white female sexual relationship. That's insulting to both the black males and white females that perform in these scenes. It's no different than right wing dimwits that claim that consensual homosexual relationships are tantamount to bestiality and pedophilia to justify their own silly beliefs. And judging by her posts, she is no less of a dimwit. She sad that shit, and I only called her out on it. I didn't start any damn flame war. Edited by - illmatic on 8/12/2009 5:29:10 PM [Link]
tritone Deactivated User 1009 Posts 4/03	Posted - Aug 12 2009 : 8:26PM Hannah West says: I say support people for having an opinion/preference and standing by it without selling out.. Even when times are hard. Click to expand What bothers me is that by this statement, you consider having sex with a black man as "selling out". That it is compromising something. Don't you see how that could be insulting to a black person? Remember you are talking about ANY black person, not some specific person you may reject. I just don't get it. You are making a HUGE choice in even deciding TO HAVE sex on camera. So touching a black guy on camera is going to hurt you more than the major decision of being in porn in the first place? Edited by - tritone on 8/12/2009 8:27:40 PM [Link]
C-Hammer Member 66 Posts 7/09	Posted - Aug 12 2009 : 8:48PM cholmes58 wrote: C-Hammer wrote: C-Hammer wrote: Although after thinking about that last statement I may have to retract it. You may have exposed me as being a hypocrite since my avatar is Jade Jolie, a girl I find extremely sexy but has never done IR ( although she hasn't done too much porn period so I don't know if it's fair to say she won't). Regardless I love Jade's look and I probably won't stop supporting her so maybe you have taught me something about myself tonight. You have my apologies if I offended you in any way and I wish you nothing but success:) Click to expand "avatar"....interesting choice of word. I know what the dictionary definition is, but what do YOU mean when you refer to Jade Jolie as your avatar?? Click to expand If you are asking me a genuine question then the answer would be that I meant to say that Jade Jolie is the girl in my profile pic that should appear under my name in this post. I'm used to using words like "avatar" for instant messaging programs etc. [Link]
lack100 Deactivated User 139 Posts 8/09	Posted - Aug 12 2009 : 9:19PM yes forget hanny west... she said she would do scene with asians and latinos even though she claims not to be attracted to them. So that kills the preference claim. The reason its racist is cuz how is that the "no ir" girls are only talking about blacks. Those girls have no problem with mexicans and asians. In the real world...blacks arent the only ones singled out when it comes to actraction. They find every none black guy attractive?...ughh ok. yesss the dodgers are more attractive but han west is not 1 of them. We got a lot of girls that look better than her doing i.r. so4get her... [Link]

cholmes58 Member 75 Posts 7/09	Posted - Aug 12 2009 : 9:57PM C-Hammer wrote: cholmes58 wrote: C-Hammer wrote: C-Hammer wrote: Although after thinking about that last statement I may have to retract it. You may have exposed me as being a hypocrite since my avatar is Jade Jolie, a girl I find extremely sexy but has never done IR ( although she hasn't done too much porn period so I don't know if it's fair to say she won't). Regardless I love Jade's look and I probably won't stop supporting her so maybe you have taught me something about myself tonight. You have my apologies if I offended you in any way and I wish you nothing but success:) Click to expand "avatar"....interesting choice of word. I know what the dictionary definition is, but what do YOU mean when you refer to Jade Jolie as your avatar?? Click to expand If you are asking me a genuine question then the answer would be that I meant to say that Jade Jolie is the girl in my profile pic that should appear under my name in this post. I'm used to using words like "avatar" for instant messaging programs etc. Click to expand It was indeed a genuine question. I have been on this site only a few weeks and I am still learning its vernacular. [Link]
C-Hammer Member 66 Posts 7/09	Posted - Aug 12 2009 : 10:04PM cholmes58 wrote: C-Hammer wrote: cholmes58 wrote: C-Hammer wrote: C-Hammer wrote: Although after thinking about that last statement I may have to retract it. You may have exposed me as being a hypocrite since my avatar is Jade Jolie, a girl I find extremely sexy but has never done IR ( although she hasn't done too much porn period so I don't know if it's fair to say she won't). Regardless I love Jade's look and I probably won't stop supporting her so maybe you have taught me something about myself tonight. You have my apologies if I offended you in any way and I wish you nothing but success:) Click to expand "avatar"....interesting choice of word. I know what the dictionary definition is, but what do YOU mean when you refer to Jade Jolie as your avatar?? Click to expand If you are asking me a genuine question then the answer would be that I meant to say that Jade Jolie is the girl in my profile pic that should appear under my name in this post. I'm used to using words like "avatar" for instant messaging programs etc. Click to expand It was indeed a genuine question. I have been on this site only a few weeks and I am still learning its vernacular. Click to expand I'm glad I could help out with the question and welcome to the boards. I'm a newbie as well. [Link]
cholmes58 Member 75 Posts 7/09	Posted - Aug 12 2009 : 11:07PM I have debated whether to get into this conversation or not, but what the hell. As a African American whose profession is intimately linked with the 1st Amendment, I try to be very careful when comes this issue of racial slurs and the infamous N-word. Regardless of the historic background of the work, it is indeed a part of the American English language. I don't use the word, but I am well aware that it is an intimate part of some African Americans' vernacular. But even Blacks need to be circumspect when it comes who to whose around that could be offended by it. In everyday life these days, most whites are careful not to use in front of black, as are most blacks. Most arguments over this seem to revolve around the question of the artistic license to use the slur in works. Independent filmmakers Spike Lee and Quentin Tarantino got into a pissing match over the use of N-word some years ago, with Spike inferring that Quentin was using the slur in his script gratuitously, no doubt referring Samuel Jackson repeated use of the word. The thing was, especially in the film "Jackie Brown", Jackson's character was realistically representative of one who would use the slur repeatedly. I think people have to take responsibility for their speech, from those everyday people who utter the slur, to those who give utterance by typing the N-word in this scripts and literature. If one does not take enough responsibility for knowing when it's the appropriate time to use the word (i.e. when there's no one who would be offended) and when its not, then they will pay the price, and unfortunately cause some strife, arguments and outrage among others. I say it is a filmmaker's prerogative. It's his/her flick and it's his/her risk. [Link]
Hannah Westxxx Member The classy side of shameless 506 Posts 8/07	Posted - Aug 13 2009 : 12:27AM Having sex with a black man is not a sell out the sell out aspect comes from saying.. hey I'm not attracted or interested and I won't pretend to be for money.. Pay close attention folks.. all of a sudden chicks have lowered rates, strated doing anal, ir, dps.. ect because times are hard.. They want to make a buck ... that to me is selling out.. I didn't pull the tricks with saving anal or dps for later in my career.. I didn't auction my anal or first ir scene for a higher rate because I wasn't booking for anything else.. that's what I mean about a sell out/ cop out.. to me, it's bullshit.. and I feel girls who don't do that deserve respect. I wasn't trying to imply anything else. Ill.. again you missed my point in my reference BUT that's okay.. because the person I WAS talking to got the point. the end. And yes.. there are way hotter girls doing ir and there are way hotter guys I'm fucking outside of IR imo. Edited by - Hannah Westxxx on 8/13/2009 12:30:55 AM [Link]
Digital Devil Member 34 Posts 8/09	Posted - Aug 13 2009 : 3:18PM Though I know this post strays from the original purpose of this thread, here's my (not really) brief story on my experience with IR in porn: The very first porno I ever saw had this one scene where this butler fucks two women while his employers are away from home. The butler was black and the women and employers were white. What I'm trying to say is that my first porno had a IR scene in it. Fast-forward some years and all the pornos I have ever seen had at least one IR scene in them, be it WM/BF or BM/WF. This was all by chance since I was too young to buy porn myself and only had access to films that my friends had or my parents tried to hide. As a result, even though racism was a serious topic for me in my personal life, I never gave racism a second thought in pornograpy. It just never crossed my mind. All I saw were people fucking. My friends used to make comments about the type of films I watched, such as, "This flick doesn't have enough black chicks in it" or "There's too many white people in this one". My response was usually "yeah, but the actresses look good". Later I got internet access and found forums about porn-stars and started reading about how some actresses don't do black men on camera or in their personal life, some of whom were some of my favorite actresses. Despite the fact that I'm black myself, I didn't really care. I was so used to seeing IR scenes in my films that these statements just seemed like anomalies. As the years go by, you keep reading and hearing about some other star not doing IR and various reasons why not, or you'll hear questions like "when is 'this star' going to do IR?" and for me, it got bothersome. When before I didn't mind a star not having sex with someone because she didn't want to, when I hear about some actress who scenes I watch not doing scenes with people from different "races", I lose attraction for that particular actress. I'm not one of those fans who like to picture himself as the male actor fucking the woman (and truth be told, I do not find IR scenes necessarily better than any other scene), and I'm not about demanding people do things that they don't want to do, but at the same time, even a hint of racism is a big turn-off for me. Any actress who doesn't do IR scenes, make ignorant comments about other races (Black, Asian, Hispanic, etc), or who wait a very unusually long time to do IR scenes, is on MY "No-List", as in, No Support From Me. Edited by - Digital Devil on 8/13/2009 3:21:00 PM [Link]
deya Member 9 Posts 8/09	Posted - Aug 13 2009 : 3:32PM Digital Devil wrote: even a hint of racism is a big turn-off for me. Click to expand so then most of the ir stuff out there must be a huge turn-off for you? with all the n-words used and the black guy portrayed as just some beast with a big dick [Link]
Digital Devil Member 34 Posts 8/09	Posted - Aug 13 2009 : 4:54PM deya wrote: Digital Devil wrote: even a hint of racism is a big turn-off for me. Click to expand so then most of the ir stuff out there must be a huge turn-off for you? with all the n-words used and the black guy portrayed as just some beast with a big dick Click to expand Most of the IR stuff out there? Sure, you had your Jake Steed movies and Spring Thomas scenes years ago, and there's Shane Diesel right now, and movies with covers of "Big Black Dicks" being compared to the size of white women's heads, but who in their right mind would take that stuff seriously? Racial themes in porn is very much different from racism in real-life. And personally, I prefer scenes directed by Mr.Marcus, Lexington Steele, and Justin Slayer, among others. Edited by - digital devil on 8/13/2009 4:59:22 PM [Link]
BrazilianDude Deactivated User Minha Vaidade me deixou cansado 351 Posts 8/09	Posted - Aug 17 2009 : 1:40PM hannah west should stay away from this thread if she doesn't do interracial i don't see the point of commenting on interracial if you don't do interracial by the way hannah west doesn't look attractive to me and she talks like it's a big loss , no offense hannah west but i couldn't care less if you did interracial , i didn't even know you but i just googled some pictures and seriously , keep a low profile , your pretense is laughable , if someone saw the way you talk they'd think you're a nicole kidman look-alike , to put it nicely , you're not that much trust me. Edited by - braziliandude on 8/17/2009 4:31:38 PM [Link]
killbillvol69 All-Star Member ^Lucy Pinder 18634 Posts 4/08	Posted - Aug 17 2009 : 5:56PM Calm down now kids. As heated as these discussions inevitably get, there are still some limits to what one ought and ought not say. Posts like the one above, throwing out personal insults about someone's appearance, or posts like one earlier, criticizing one's education, or another, comparing sex with someone of another race to sex with children, simply don't help anyone. They don't actually address the topic at hand, and just leave everyone feeling worse than when the discussion started. If you guys want to talk about racial sex scenes/racism in porn, then talk about it. But keep the discussion about that, and not something else. Leave the insults and erroneous claims at the door. Thanks everyone. [Link]
C-Hammer Member 66 Posts 7/09	Posted - Aug 17 2009 : 11:07PM Again, I obviously don't agree with all of what Hannah said and I think the sex with a black man/ sex with a minor analogy is strange to say the least, but instead of just hopping on the bandwagon willing to dismiss her as a delusional racist I can see some valid points in her last post. When she applies the "sell out" label to stars who have shunned IR for most of their career but embrace it later in the game to cash in on a huge payday, well that's nothing that a lot of us haven't said before right? That's not to say that all girls who do IR late in their careers are "sell outs", but we've all seen the examples: The Vivid girl who showed up on IR friendly forums to promote her two IR movies, only to disappear as fast as she arrived once her objective was complete. The former contract girl who claimed she'd never do IR, only to shoot the obligatory Sean Michaels scene late in her career. The perceptive fan can tell who's sincere and who isn't, but to tell you the truth I think in a strange way there is something to be respected in Hannah's honesty. We don't have to agree with her, but would you rather her do IR and just mail it in for a paycheck? I know money is the bottom line most of the time, but most fans want at least some heat from the participants lol. Edited by - C-Hammer on 8/17/2009 11:10:10 PM [Link]

BrazilianDude Deactivated User Minha Vaidade me deixou cansado 351 Posts 8/09	Posted - Aug 17 2009 : 11:33PM this thread has been totally derailed and turned into a discussion about girls who do or don't do IR and their rights to do nor not do IR and the same old stuff ... Edited by - braziliandude on 8/17/2009 11:35:36 PM [Link]
C-Hammer Member 66 Posts 7/09	Posted - Aug 17 2009 : 11:42PM BrazilianDude wrote: this thread has been totally derailed and turned into a discussion about girls who do or don't do IR and their rights to do nor not do IR and the same old stuff ... Edited by - braziliandude on 8/17/2009 11:35:36 PM Click to expand I've made quite a few contributions that relate to the topic. It's up to you guys to keep it going lol. [Link]
Hannah Westxxx Member The classy side of shameless 506 Posts 8/07	Posted - Aug 18 2009 : 1:24PM I never said I was hot. But .. no.. I won't keep a low profile. I don't care what you think.. I have pussy spreads.. the least i can do is tell you to go fuck yourself for being so hateful. So.. go fuck youself.. none of this had anything to do with you.. yet you still commented how do you think it feels when someone specifically mentions your name? It's okay to think i am less attractive, if that's the case shut the hell up about me not performing interacial.. and if you really didn't care, why did you comment.. and I'm the dumb girl over here? dumb yet logical. and at this point.. please.. call me a racist, it seems much more simplified. Edited by - Hannah Westxxx on 8/18/2009 1:28:33 PM [Link]
tritone Deactivated User 1009 Posts 4/03	Posted - Aug 18 2009 : 2:17PM Digital Devil wrote: Though I know this post strays from the original purpose of this thread, here's my (not really) brief story on my experience with IR in porn: The very first porno I ever saw had this one scene where this butler fucks two women while his employers are away from home. The butler was black and the women and employers were white. What I'm trying to say is that my first porno had a IR scene in it. .... Click to expand Digital Devil, I just wanted to say that your experience with IR porn and how it shaped your current views are almost identical to mine. I've watched porn since my early teens, yet only started really caring about who did/didn't do IR in the past 5 years or so. You mentioned something else very important: that you don't necessarily seek out IR scenes more than others, BUT, you want the actresses you support to be okay with IR REGARDLESS OF THE TYPE SCENE YOU ARE WATCHING THEM IN. This fits perfectly with how I feel. I don't mind watching non-IR scenes -- I do it all the time (I love BJ-only flicks and POV scenes). But I just can't get excited about watching a girl who I know is a bigot. [Link]
BrazilianDude Deactivated User Minha Vaidade me deixou cansado 351 Posts 8/09	Posted - Aug 18 2009 : 2:57PM Hannah Westxxx wrote: I never said I was hot. But .. no.. I won't keep a low profile. I don't care what you think.. I have pussy spreads.. the least i can do is tell you to go fuck yourself for being so hateful. So.. go fuck youself.. none of this had anything to do with you.. yet you still commented how do you think it feels when someone specifically mentions your name? It's okay to think i am less attractive, if that's the case shut the hell up about me not performing interacial.. and if you really didn't care, why did you comment.. and I'm the dumb girl over here? dumb yet logical. and at this point.. please.. call me a racist, it seems much more simplified. Edited by - Hannah Westxxx on 8/18/2009 1:28:33 PM Click to expand "the least i can do is tell you to go fuck yourself for being so hateful." you know there is a wonderful thing called " manners" , try to use it once in a while. "So.. go fuck youself.." no i won't go fuck myself thank you very much, and please have some class. "none of this had anything to do with you.. yet you still commented" well it certainly has to do with me since i'm an interracial fan and this thread is about INTERRACIAL, so you're the one in the wrong place here "if that's the case shut the hell up about me not performing interacial" when did i ever say anything about you not doing interracial ? as i said i didn't even know you "and if you really didn't care, why did you comment." you didn't get the point , i didn't say anything about you doing or not doing interracial, i just don't see the point of discussing interracial, i don't see any other girls here stating their reasons for doing or not doing interracial if someone is really interested in knowing your reasons not to do IR they should open a thread about you, i think it's very pretentious, read the title , this thread has nothing to do with you. "and at this point.. please.. call me a racist, it seems much more simplified." what's with this whole alabama and racism thing ? no one said anything about racism you're the one who started this alabama and KKK thing , the word racist didn't even cross my mind, i don't call people racist unless they give me a good reason to do so , and in your case you even tried to be racist but you failed miserably. go talk to your fans , no one here has anything against you , no one here thinks you are a racist or anything like that, we all respect your opinions and choices , it is your life , you do what you want to do with YOUR life and YOUR body and we respect you as much as we expect you to respect us. Edited by - braziliandude on 8/18/2009 8:38:31 PM [Link]
BrazilianDude Deactivated User Minha Vaidade me deixou cansado 351 Posts 8/09	Posted - Aug 18 2009 : 3:03PM tritone wrote: Digital Devil wrote: Though I know this post strays from the original purpose of this thread, here's my (not really) brief story on my experience with IR in porn: The very first porno I ever saw had this one scene where this butler fucks two women while his employers are away from home. The butler was black and the women and employers were white. What I'm trying to say is that my first porno had a IR scene in it. .... Click to expand Digital Devil, I just wanted to say that your experience with IR porn and how it shaped your current views are almost identical to mine. I've watched porn since my early teens, yet only started really caring about who did/didn't do IR in the past 5 years or so. You mentioned something else very important: that you don't necessarily seek out IR scenes more than others, BUT, you want the actresses you support to be okay with IR REGARDLESS OF THE TYPE SCENE YOU ARE WATCHING THEM IN. This fits perfectly with how I feel. I don't mind watching non-IR scenes -- I do it all the time (I love BJ-only flicks and POV scenes). But I just can't get excited about watching a girl who I know is a bigot Click to expand i used to watch anything , i always preferred interracial but i had no problems watching non-IR scenes, but now i went from preferring interracial to not being able to watch anything else lol, i'm interracial only now, interracial is the most exciting thing ever invented in porn, there is nothing hotter than seeing a black guy with a beautiful white girl especially a blonde girl. Edited by - braziliandude on 8/18/2009 3:12:06 PM [Link]
Hannah Westxxx Member The classy side of shameless 506 Posts 8/07	Posted - Aug 18 2009 : 4:01PM BrazilianDude wrote: hannah west should stay away from this thread if she doesn't do interracial i don't see the point of commenting on interracial if you don't do interracial by the way hannah west doesn't look attractive to me and she talks like it's a big loss , no offense hannah west but i couldn't care less if you did interracial , i didn't even know you but i just googled some pictures and seriously , keep a low profile , your pretense is laughable , if someone saw the way you talk they'd think you're a nicole kidman look-alike , to put it nicely , you're not that much trust me. Edited by - braziliandude on 8/17/2009 4:31:38 PM Click to expand Talk to me about manners again. Talk to me about class again. Talk to me about not getting the point.. when you chop up my damn response to bend to your own smartass will.. You don't see any other girls here commenting? I'm not them. this is not my show or your show.. I'm entiled to comment here as I please, just like you.. The difference is, I'm not here hiding under some fake picture or screen name. Naturally, there is a lot more fuel you can use against me.. and you did. So.. how about this, since we are speaking of manners and class.. if you don't want me to tell you to go fuck yourself, then don't specifically say something rude attached with my name.. because I have zero issues with calling you or anyone else out. I'm thinking what I said was a little less severe and personal. Please go self reflect. Just because your little brazilian society finds it acceptable to disrespect women and the women feel like it's okay to put up with it.. doesn't mean this bitch will.. I understand this topic has been derailed.. but it's people like you who keep derailing it and it's people like me who fight back.. I'm not the type to shut up and let some alias using fuck disrespect me for the sake of them not having anything more productive to do. This would have been over a long time ago as I responded to the person who spoke of me.. and little faries like you come along talking more stupid shit. Agree to disagree, yet again and please shut your face. [Link]
BrazilianDude Deactivated User Minha Vaidade me deixou cansado 351 Posts 8/09	Posted - Aug 18 2009 : 4:17PM Hannah Westxxx wrote: BrazilianDude wrote: hannah west should stay away from this thread if she doesn't do interracial i don't see the point of commenting on interracial if you don't do interracial by the way hannah west doesn't look attractive to me and she talks like it's a big loss , no offense hannah west but i couldn't care less if you did interracial , i didn't even know you but i just googled some pictures and seriously , keep a low profile , your pretense is laughable , if someone saw the way you talk they'd think you're a nicole kidman look-alike , to put it nicely , you're not that much trust me. Edited by - braziliandude on 8/17/2009 4:31:38 PM Click to expand Talk to me about manners again. Talk to me about class again. Talk to me about not getting the point.. when you chop up my damn response to bend to your own smartass will.. You don't see any other girls here commenting? I'm not them. this is not my show or your show.. I'm entiled to comment here as I please, just like you.. The difference is, I'm not here hiding under some fake picture or screen name. Naturally, there is a lot more fuel you can use against me.. and you did. So.. how about this, since we are speaking of manners and class.. if you don't want me to tell you to go fuck yourself, then don't specifically say something rude attached with my name.. because I have zero issues with calling you or anyone else out. I'm thinking what I said was a little less severe and personal. Please go self reflect. Just because your little brazilian society finds it acceptable to disrespect women and the women feel like it's okay to put up with it.. doesn't mean this bitch will.. I understand this topic has been derailed.. but it's people like you who keep derailing it and it's people like me who fight back.. I'm not the type to shut up and let some alias using fuck disrespect me for the sake of them not having anything more productive to do. This would have been over a long time ago as I responded to the person who spoke of me.. and little faries like you come along talking more stupid shit. Agree to disagree, yet again and please shut your face. Click to expand so saying i'm not attracted to you is disrespectful ??? ooh that's news to me, i'm entitled to my opinion, i said i don't find you attractive , since when is that disrespectful ?, i don't disrespect women , never did and i didn't say anything rude about you, i keep my opinion , i don't find you attractive and that's it, and you fighting back ? no one is attacking you , you're the one who came here dumping all that shit about having sex with minors and flaming other users now you want to play victim. just one more thing , you do NOT have to explain yourself , i don't know why you feel the need to come here and try to explain for the 1000000000000000th time why you don't do interracial. [Link]
Hannah Westxxx Member The classy side of shameless 506 Posts 8/07	Posted - Aug 18 2009 : 4:19PM ^ it's not always what you say, it's how you say it. and I only explained my stance to the original person who spoke of me/to me... what the hell you have to do with that, I dunno Edited by - Hannah Westxxx on 8/18/2009 4:23:01 PM [Link]
Royal Tee Member 665 Posts 6/07	Posted - Aug 18 2009 : 4:23PM Voyeur's recent release Black Listed is all about the IR aspect of the porn biz. The best scene in the movie is Katie St. Ives/Ashton Pierce w/Sean Michaels. The scene start with both ladies talking about how their agent doesn't want them to do IR, but they are going to do it anyway. It was a good scene and good movie. Any scene from Brotha Underover fits the bill of racial sex scenes. It's too bad that one Ace drops the Mr. White gimmick, the scenes go downhill. Too much talking and making the girls say dumb shit. [Link]

BrazilianDude Deactivated User Minha Vaidade me deixou cansado 351 Posts 8/09	Posted - Aug 18 2009 : 4:28PM Hannah Westxxx wrote: ^ it's not always what you say, it's how you say it. and I only explained my stance to the original person who spoke of me/to me... what the hell you have to do with that, I dunno Edited by - Hannah Westxxx on 8/18/2009 4:23:01 PM Click to expand ok then you made your point clear. [Link]
aba1 Member 185 Posts 1/07	Posted - Aug 18 2009 : 9:35PM Eloquently stated by Hannah West: Just because your little brazilian society finds it acceptable to disrespect women and the women feel like it's okay to put up with it.. doesn't mean this bitch will.. Note: For someone who claims not to be prejudiced or racist, you seem to make a lot of generalizations. A couple classes at your local community college might indeed do you a world of good. You can whore during the day and take night classes. Cheers. [Link]
Hannah Westxxx Member The classy side of shameless 506 Posts 8/07	Posted - Aug 18 2009 : 10:22PM hahahaha I love how you new members are throwing salt on the wounds. This is the most comical thing ever.. yes that was a generalization. I was being generalized.. did you not in fact just generalize me yourself? whoring in the day? when did this site start catering you people with less appreciation for who we are and what we do. Does it bother you to believe that not only do I pay for my college with my whore money, but I might actually be smarter than you? Maybe a little more wit? higher test scores? Tell me what it is exactly that makes battling me on a FAN forum just so fucking appealing? Keep telling me to stand down.. keep throwing salt.. I have just as much energy and can go all damn night with this. You may find me ignorant, terrific, but what has been said initally wasn't directed toward you or him.. I'm so sorry you have nothing better to do than to target petty fights over a fight that is not even your own. Edited by - Hannah Westxxx on 8/18/2009 10:23:12 PM [Link]
macktheknife365 New Member 3 Posts 8/09	Posted - Aug 18 2009 : 10:51PM Many people say “stop talking about girls who refuse to do IR” but the reason why IR fans talk about them is because 'dodging' is so contradictory to modern times that it’s surreal. The fact that there is an industry where there is an apparent pathway to success that somewhat resembles a backlash against integration is surreal. It says she's likelier to become a superstar if she makes herself a bigotry suspect! Being a dodger doesn't necessarily mean she's a bigot but it most certainly doesn't mean she's NOT! And in every other modern industry, success is easier if you prove that you are NOT A RACIST! And the fact that this industry otherwise represents ultra-liberalism at its most extreme makes all this even more surreal! Therefore you can’t help but talk about it... Edited by - macktheknife365 on 8/18/2009 10:52:32 PM [Link]
C-Hammer Member 66 Posts 7/09	Posted - Aug 18 2009 : 11:41PM A good rule of thumb when posting on public forums is to never say anything to a person you are talking to online that you wouldn't say face to face, no matter how much you disagree with them. If you call a woman ugly in person you are likely to loose a few teeth once she throws whatever she can find at you lol. For the record Hannah West is an attractive girl. We disagree (and probably always will) on the IR subject, but that doesn't make her a bad person. I think some of the comments made on both sides of the issue have gotten nasty in the heat of the moment. To bring it back around to the thread topic I'll just say that I'm still waiting for that Kylie Ireland "rematch":) [Link]
macktheknife365 New Member 3 Posts 8/09	Posted - Aug 19 2009 : 1:46AM Hannah Westxxx wrote: ^ ...I only explained my stance to the original person who spoke of me/to me... what the hell you have to do with that, I dunno Edited by - Hannah Westxxx on 8/18/2009 4:23:01 PM Click to expand Greetings Hannah West "Stance"? Not a "Preference"? I could have sworn I read where you used the word "preference" earlier. Actually IMO you're correct now--your exclusion of thousands of potential porn actors that you haven't seen or met on the basis of how they are identified racially by the agencies is more acurately described as a "stance", not a preference. In porn, "preference" implies, to me at least, that you choose who to work with on an individual basis. And I always look at the big picture. Historically speaking in porn (and society), you represent a part of a phasing out process of many of the old ways of thinking whether you specifically are a bigot or not. From a bird's eye view, you will be remembered as a part of the old guard that was being dragged away kicking and screaming in the late 2000's. [Link]
BrazilianDude Deactivated User Minha Vaidade me deixou cansado 351 Posts 8/09	Posted - Aug 19 2009 : 6:44AM C-Hammer wrote: A good rule of thumb when posting on public forums is to never say anything to a person you are talking to online that you wouldn't say face to face, no matter how much you disagree with them. If you call a woman ugly in person you are likely to loose a few teeth once she throws whatever she can find at you lol. For the record Hannah West is an attractive girl. We disagree (and probably always will) on the IR subject, but that doesn't make her a bad person. I think some of the comments made on both sides of the issue have gotten nasty in the heat of the moment. To bring it back around to the thread topic I'll just say that I'm still waiting for that Kylie Ireland "rematch":) Click to expand we have a different definition of attractive then and i didn't even use the word " ugly" (which is an insult) , i said she's not attractive and she's not , anyone with two eyes can see she's not attractive, this is personal opinion and i have the right to express it. her being attractive or not has nothing to do with her stance on interracial, i have no problems admitting dodgers like dani jensen , kelli stone , casey parker marie mccray etc are very attractive, there are tons of attractive dodgers, hannah west just doesn't happen to be one of them. [Link]
BrazilianDude Deactivated User Minha Vaidade me deixou cansado 351 Posts 8/09	Posted - Aug 19 2009 : 7:09AM macktheknife365 wrote: Many people say “stop talking about girls who refuse to do IR” but the reason why IR fans talk about them is because 'dodging' is so contradictory to modern times that it’s surreal. The fact that there is an industry where there is an apparent pathway to success that somewhat resembles a backlash against integration is surreal. It says she's likelier to become a superstar if she makes herself a bigotry suspect! Being a dodger doesn't necessarily mean she's a bigot but it most certainly doesn't mean she's NOT! And in every other modern industry, success is easier if you prove that you are NOT A RACIST! And the fact that this industry otherwise represents ultra-liberalism at its most extreme makes all this even more surreal! Therefore you can’t help but talk about it... Edited by - macktheknife365 on 8/18/2009 10:52:32 PM Click to expand ok now you said something really interesting... "And in every other modern industry, success is easier if you prove that you are NOT A RACIST!" are you sure about that ? i don't think so , this is the porn equivalent of what we see in the mainstream media everyday, at least in the US, white rappers hang around with black guys but always get married to white women, same with white female R n' B singers or rappers, they like being with black guys in their videos and love dressing like them but in 99% of the cases they are married to white men, and now hollywood , how often to you see interracial couples in mainstream productions ? not very often, most characters seem to get along pretty well with black people and it's hard to see a movie where the main character doesn't have a black friend but have you noticed how they are always stick to their own when it comes to dating ?, so porn is the same, famous dodgers take pictures with black guys , have a lot of black friends but don't do them on film. this is an american problem, the most famous pornstars in europe have done interracial , the most famous girl BY FAR in germany is gina wild , she's mainstream , ANYONE in germany knows gina wild, even the ones who have never watched porn (she's more famous in germany than jenna jameson in america) and she did 3 interracial scenes , in england just about any actress does interracial, same with france and italy. Edited by - braziliandude on 8/19/2009 9:17:05 AM [Link]
BrazilianDude Deactivated User Minha Vaidade me deixou cansado 351 Posts 8/09	Posted - Aug 19 2009 : 7:24AM ginger lynn was an exception ...people say she was very famous in the 80's when she did IR. [Link]
Bluto Deactivated User 511 Posts 3/09	Posted - Oct 3 2009 : 8:12PM backdoorman wrote: ^ That's the point I was trying to make in another thread. Racism will be here until people just become "people". The more you recognize race and ascribe social or other differences to it the longer we will have "racism". For instance , why should it make any difference what race I am on a job app? Now on a medical history I can understand due to certain races having different medical problems but race has been applied to every form of reason and excuse known to man. Click to expand Exactly. [Link]
kylie ireland Member Welcome to the darkside....we have cookies. 598 Posts 11/03	Posted - Nov 2 2009 : 11:05PM C-Hammer wrote: To bring it back around to the thread topic I'll just say that I'm still waiting for that Kylie Ireland "rematch":) Click to expand haha! I am still waiting for it too! C'mon directors...I DARE you to give me the biggest black cock you can find! And yes, in my ass. [Link]
C-Hammer Member 66 Posts 7/09	Posted - Nov 4 2009 : 8:26PM kylie ireland wrote: C-Hammer wrote: To bring it back around to the thread topic I'll just say that I'm still waiting for that Kylie Ireland "rematch":) Click to expand haha! I am still waiting for it too! C'mon directors...I DARE you to give me the biggest black cock you can find! And yes, in my ass. Click to expand Damn! Directors on ADT hear that? The Legend is ready to take on any n all cummers hardcore interracial style! Oh the possibilities lol ;) [Link]
drkush Member 90 Posts 11/09	Posted - Nov 6 2009 : 1:07AM I don't really see the point of the whole discussion, I'm a huge lover of interracial flicks but I could care less if a certain actress doesn't do them. Thats her choice and she's free to make it, this is america still ain't it? I say that and I too get upset that certain actresses won't go black, such as Sunny Lane, Audrey Bitoni, or Alexis Texas. Maybe they got a good reason for it, or maybe they don't its really none of my business. I'd still bury my face in their asses if given half a chance, oh and I'm a white guy by the way. Of course if a girl doesn't go black I'm a lot less likely to watch her films, as thats what I primarily rent it seems. Unless they are super duper hot like the ones I mentioned above. I had never seen a Jewel De'Nyle scene til she took it from Lex in Ass Worship, now she is one of my all time favorites! Notice the controversy is always about the white girl who won't go black, no one complains about the porn stars that won't go mexican, or arab! [Link]
C-Hammer Member 66 Posts 7/09	Posted - Nov 6 2009 : 1:15AM drkush wrote: I don't really see the point of the whole discussion, I'm a huge lover of interracial flicks but I could care less if a certain actress doesn't do them. Thats her choice and she's free to make it, this is america still ain't it? I say that and I too get upset that certain actresses won't go black, such as Sunny Lane, Audrey Bitoni, or Alexis Texas. Maybe they got a good reason for it, or maybe they don't its really none of my business. I'd still bury my face in their asses if given half a chance, oh and I'm a white guy by the way. Of course if a girl doesn't go black I'm a lot less likely to watch her films, as thats what I primarily rent it seems. Unless they are super duper hot like the ones I mentioned above. I had never seen a Jewel De'Nyle scene til she took it from Lex in Ass Worship, now she is one of my all time favorites! Notice the controversy is always about the white girl who won't go black, no one complains about the porn stars that won't go mexican, or arab! Click to expand Actually the original thread topic was about extreme interracial content in porn and somehow got derailed into a pissing match about who will and wont do IR. The mods closed it once I think, but Kylie was replying to a post about her from me, at the same time she managed to bring the thread back on point. [Link]
LLvladk Deactivated User 121 Posts 10/09	Posted - Nov 19 2009 : 12:56PM Notice the controversy is always about the white girl who won't go black, no one complains about the porn stars that won't go mexican Click to expand Who are those pornstars? [Link]
LLvladk Deactivated User 121 Posts 10/09	Posted - Nov 26 2009 : 11:28AM I guess you couldn't come up with an actress who has gone on record saying she won't work with latinos. I'm sure by mexicans you meant latinos/hispanics. [Link]

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C-Hammer
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Posted - Aug 11 2009 : 11:28PM

Although after thinking about that last statement I may have to retract it. You may have exposed me as being a hypocrite since my avatar is Jade Jolie, a girl I find extremely sexy but has never done IR ( although she hasn't done too much porn period so I don't know if it's fair to say she won't). Regardless I love Jade's look and I probably won't stop supporting her so maybe you have taught me something about myself tonight. You have my apologies if I offended you in any way and I wish you nothing but success:)

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Hannah Westxxx
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Posted - Aug 11 2009 : 11:43PM

I don't mean to be rude.. I'm just pushing a point here (forgive me for being a smartass)
can it be said that you would NOT support me for NOT having sex with 12 year olds?
can it be said you support people who do have sex with 12 year olds for not limiting their sexual boundaries?
(sadly, according to statistics, for some this is a sexual preference. As those people are judged for acting upon this sexual desire, is it the same to say that we should be judged by not acting?)
You speak of boundaries and supporting those who have zero limits.. but truth be told, you should consider boundaries in form of sex more carefully. I thoroughly support pushing my boundaries and limits. However, my limits will never be the same as yours or those who touch kids.
I say support people for having an opinion/preference and standing by it without selling out.. Even when times are hard.
I stay true in my performance with acts that I personally desire.
I will not be a cop out.
Support that my friend.

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Hannah Westxxx
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Posted - Aug 11 2009 : 11:45PM

Oh not offended at all.. you actually approached it much more respectfully than some in the past
I support your opinion.
:) rock on..

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C-Hammer
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Posted - Aug 12 2009 : 12:01AM

Hannah Westxxx wrote:
I don't mean to be rude.. I'm just pushing a point here (forgive me for being a smartass)
can it be said that you would NOT support me for NOT having sex with 12 year olds?
can it be said you support people who do have sex with 12 year olds for not limiting their sexual boundaries?
(sadly, according to statistics, for some this is a sexual preference. As those people are judged for acting upon this sexual desire, is it the same to say that we should be judged by not acting?)
You speak of boundaries and supporting those who have zero limits.. but truth be told, you should consider boundaries in form of sex more carefully. I thoroughly support pushing my boundaries and limits. However, my limits will never be the same as yours or those who touch kids.
I say support people for having an opinion/preference and standing by it without selling out.. Even when times are hard.
I stay true in my performance with acts that I personally desire.
I will not be a cop out.
Support that my friend.
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Some valid points I agree with some of this and disagree with other parts, but most importantly I respect your right to say it and to work with who you want. As I said with the Jade Jolie post, I am reassessing my stand on this as we debate so I'm not going to try to run you down. A lot of people have piled on you during the course of this thread and you've stood your ground. If nothing else that deserves to be respected:)

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Hannah Westxxx
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Posted - Aug 12 2009 : 1:12AM

mutual respect.

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illmatic
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Posted - Aug 12 2009 : 3:46AM

Hannah West, why do you even bother responding to this, or anything related to the subject of 'ir'. Every time you open your mouth on this subject, you start flame wars because you tend to say really stupid shit. You are making an analogy between sex with a black male, and sex with a minor, and somehow think you are making a valid point. Seriously? And you expect people to think that not doing 'ir' somehow makes you a princpled person. Your powers of logic and reasoning are truly epic. Must be that fine Alabama education.

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cholmes58
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Posted - Aug 12 2009 : 8:59AM

Hannah Westxxx
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Posted - Aug 12 2009 : 2:31PM

illamatic..
thank you for sterotyping alabama education. It truely shows how educated you are too.
Why am I supposed to keep my mouth shut? All of you get to sit around and shit talk and praise.. I'll do the same.. The point is valid! Its a preference.. he was speaking in terms of boundaries.. perhaps you should re-read..
how about that comprehension.. how did you fair on your reading exams in school? Did you ever have to flip back to answer those multiple questions?
Here's another example of why I combat fucks like you.. you keep putting my name in your mouth saying DUMB SHIT and I'm not going to always stand down when I feel like I'm right. Nobody said anything offensive, although this topic always gets offensive.. (heavily played out).. and then sore asses like you come along disrespecting people..
nice cycle, really. (didn't see this coming at all)
When all along I'm the one getting discriminated against for let's see.. not doing IR.. being from Alabama.. ect.. WOW your point is sooooo valid .. do you not see how much this contradicts everything? Jesus. If I could paint you a finger painting I would.. be sure to go back and re-read all of this.. wouldn't want you fucking your response up.

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Ramsey
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Posted - Aug 12 2009 : 2:49PM

illmatic, I wouldn't bother with it, it's really not worth it! I mean there are more hotter girls who do IR compared to those who don't. It's important to focus on those who do and ignore the ones who don't. It's better that way!

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pegpelvispete
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Posted - Aug 12 2009 : 3:21PM

The picture underneath folks' usernames is called an avatar. His avatar is a picture of Jade Jolie.

She's starting a flame war? Then why are you responding by insulting her when she and C-Hammer talk it out, agree to disagree, and amicably part ways on the matter? Who's the flamer here?

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illmatic
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Posted - Aug 12 2009 : 5:27PM

Pay closer attention to what's going on here. I didn't call and have never called out a chick on not performing ir scenes. Leave that to the other ir maniacs on this board. I frankly don't give a shit. That's their choice. By the same token, I don't think a girl deserves any praise or respect for the choice not to perform ir scenes, as if they are somewhat more principled in that decision. That's just a ridiculous notion. This broad has a history of saying stupid, nonsensical, shit when she thinks she's making a valid point. She basically just compared a sick, depraved act (having sex with a minor) to a black male/white female sexual relationship. That's insulting to both the black males and white females that perform in these scenes. It's no different than right wing dimwits that claim that consensual homosexual relationships are tantamount to bestiality and pedophilia to justify their own silly beliefs. And judging by her posts, she is no less of a dimwit. She sad that shit, and I only called her out on it. I didn't start any damn flame war.
Edited by - illmatic on 8/12/2009 5:29:10 PM

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tritone
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Posted - Aug 12 2009 : 8:26PM

Hannah West says:

What bothers me is that by this statement, you consider having sex with a black man as "selling out". That it is compromising something.
Don't you see how that could be insulting to a black person? Remember you are talking about ANY black person, not some specific person you may reject.
I just don't get it. You are making a HUGE choice in even deciding TO HAVE sex on camera. So touching a black guy on camera is going to hurt you more than the major decision of being in porn in the first place?

Edited by - tritone on 8/12/2009 8:27:40 PM

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C-Hammer
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Posted - Aug 12 2009 : 8:48PM

cholmes58 wrote:
C-Hammer wrote:
C-Hammer wrote:
Although after thinking about that last statement I may have to retract it. You may have exposed me as being a hypocrite since my avatar is Jade Jolie, a girl I find extremely sexy but has never done IR ( although she hasn't done too much porn period so I don't know if it's fair to say she won't). Regardless I love Jade's look and I probably won't stop supporting her so maybe you have taught me something about myself tonight. You have my apologies if I offended you in any way and I wish you nothing but success:)
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"avatar"....interesting choice of word. I know what the dictionary definition is, but what do YOU mean when you refer to Jade Jolie as your avatar??
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If you are asking me a genuine question then the answer would be that I meant to say that Jade Jolie is the girl in my profile pic that should appear under my name in this post. I'm used to using words like "avatar" for instant messaging programs etc.

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lack100
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Posted - Aug 12 2009 : 9:19PM

yes forget hanny west...
she said she would do scene with asians and latinos even though she claims not to be attracted to them. So that kills the preference claim.
The reason its racist is cuz how is that the "no ir" girls are only talking about blacks. Those girls have no problem with mexicans and asians. In the real world...blacks arent the only ones singled out when it comes to actraction. They find every none black guy attractive?...ughh ok.
yesss the dodgers are more attractive but han west is not 1 of them. We got a lot of girls that look better than her doing i.r. so4get her...

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cholmes58
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Posted - Aug 12 2009 : 9:57PM

C-Hammer wrote:
cholmes58 wrote:
C-Hammer wrote:
C-Hammer wrote:
Although after thinking about that last statement I may have to retract it. You may have exposed me as being a hypocrite since my avatar is Jade Jolie, a girl I find extremely sexy but has never done IR ( although she hasn't done too much porn period so I don't know if it's fair to say she won't). Regardless I love Jade's look and I probably won't stop supporting her so maybe you have taught me something about myself tonight. You have my apologies if I offended you in any way and I wish you nothing but success:)
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"avatar"....interesting choice of word. I know what the dictionary definition is, but what do YOU mean when you refer to Jade Jolie as your avatar??
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If you are asking me a genuine question then the answer would be that I meant to say that Jade Jolie is the girl in my profile pic that should appear under my name in this post. I'm used to using words like "avatar" for instant messaging programs etc.
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It was indeed a genuine question. I have been on this site only a few weeks and I am still learning its vernacular.

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C-Hammer
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Posted - Aug 12 2009 : 10:04PM

cholmes58 wrote:
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cholmes58 wrote:
C-Hammer wrote:
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Although after thinking about that last statement I may have to retract it. You may have exposed me as being a hypocrite since my avatar is Jade Jolie, a girl I find extremely sexy but has never done IR ( although she hasn't done too much porn period so I don't know if it's fair to say she won't). Regardless I love Jade's look and I probably won't stop supporting her so maybe you have taught me something about myself tonight. You have my apologies if I offended you in any way and I wish you nothing but success:)
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"avatar"....interesting choice of word. I know what the dictionary definition is, but what do YOU mean when you refer to Jade Jolie as your avatar??
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If you are asking me a genuine question then the answer would be that I meant to say that Jade Jolie is the girl in my profile pic that should appear under my name in this post. I'm used to using words like "avatar" for instant messaging programs etc.
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It was indeed a genuine question. I have been on this site only a few weeks and I am still learning its vernacular.
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I'm glad I could help out with the question and welcome to the boards. I'm a newbie as well.

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cholmes58
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Posted - Aug 12 2009 : 11:07PM

I have debated whether to get into this conversation or not, but what the hell.
As a African American whose profession is intimately linked with the 1st Amendment, I try to be very careful when comes this issue of racial slurs and the infamous N-word. Regardless of the historic background of the work, it is indeed a part of the American English language.
I don't use the word, but I am well aware that it is an intimate part of some African Americans' vernacular. But even Blacks need to be circumspect when it comes who to whose around that could be offended by it. In everyday life these days, most whites are careful not to use in front of black, as are most blacks. Most arguments over this seem to revolve around the question of the artistic license to use the slur in works.
Independent filmmakers Spike Lee and Quentin Tarantino got into a pissing match over the use of N-word some years ago, with Spike inferring that Quentin was using the slur in his script gratuitously, no doubt referring Samuel Jackson repeated use of the word. The thing was, especially in the film "Jackie Brown", Jackson's character was realistically representative of one who would use the slur repeatedly.
I think people have to take responsibility for their speech, from those everyday people who utter the slur, to those who give utterance by typing the N-word in this scripts and literature. If one does not take enough responsibility for knowing when it's the appropriate time to use the word (i.e. when there's no one who would be offended) and when its not, then they will pay the price, and unfortunately cause some strife, arguments and outrage among others.
I say it is a filmmaker's prerogative. It's his/her flick and it's his/her risk.

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Hannah Westxxx
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Posted - Aug 13 2009 : 12:27AM

Having sex with a black man is not a sell out
the sell out aspect comes from saying.. hey I'm not attracted or interested and I won't pretend to be for money..
Pay close attention folks.. all of a sudden chicks have lowered rates, strated doing anal, ir, dps.. ect because times are hard..
They want to make a buck
... that to me is selling out.. I didn't pull the tricks with saving anal or dps for later in my career.. I didn't auction my anal or first ir scene for a higher rate because I wasn't booking for anything else..
that's what I mean about a sell out/ cop out..
to me, it's bullshit.. and I feel girls who don't do that deserve respect. I wasn't trying to imply anything else.
Ill.. again you missed my point in my reference BUT that's okay.. because the person I WAS talking to got the point. the end.
And yes.. there are way hotter girls doing ir
and there are way hotter guys I'm fucking outside of IR imo.
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Posted - Aug 13 2009 : 3:18PM

Though I know this post strays from the original purpose of this thread, here's my (not really) brief story on my experience with IR in porn:
The very first porno I ever saw had this one scene where this butler fucks two women while his employers are away from home. The butler was black and the women and employers were white. What I'm trying to say is that my first porno had a IR scene in it.
Fast-forward some years and all the pornos I have ever seen had at least one IR scene in them, be it WM/BF or BM/WF. This was all by chance since I was too young to buy porn myself and only had access to films that my friends had or my parents tried to hide.
As a result, even though racism was a serious topic for me in my personal life, I never gave racism a second thought in pornograpy. It just never crossed my mind. All I saw were people fucking. My friends used to make comments about the type of films I watched, such as, "This flick doesn't have enough black chicks in it" or "There's too many white people in this one". My response was usually "yeah, but the actresses look good".
Later I got internet access and found forums about porn-stars and started reading about how some actresses don't do black men on camera or in their personal life, some of whom were some of my favorite actresses. Despite the fact that I'm black myself, I didn't really care. I was so used to seeing IR scenes in my films that these statements just seemed like anomalies.
As the years go by, you keep reading and hearing about some other star not doing IR and various reasons why not, or you'll hear questions like "when is 'this star' going to do IR?" and for me, it got bothersome. When before I didn't mind a star not having sex with someone because she didn't want to, when I hear about some actress who scenes I watch not doing scenes with people from different "races", I lose attraction for that particular actress.
I'm not one of those fans who like to picture himself as the male actor fucking the woman (and truth be told, I do not find IR scenes necessarily better than any other scene), and I'm not about demanding people do things that they don't want to do, but at the same time, even a hint of racism is a big turn-off for me. Any actress who doesn't do IR scenes, make ignorant comments about other races (Black, Asian, Hispanic, etc), or who wait a very unusually long time to do IR scenes, is on MY "No-List", as in, No Support From Me.
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deya
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Posted - Aug 13 2009 : 3:32PM

so then most of the ir stuff out there must be a huge turn-off for you? with all the n-words used and the black guy portrayed as just some beast with a big dick

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Posted - Aug 13 2009 : 4:54PM

Most of the IR stuff out there?
Sure, you had your Jake Steed movies and Spring Thomas scenes years ago, and there's Shane Diesel right now, and movies with covers of "Big Black Dicks" being compared to the size of white women's heads, but who in their right mind would take that stuff seriously?
Racial themes in porn is very much different from racism in real-life.
And personally, I prefer scenes directed by Mr.Marcus, Lexington Steele, and Justin Slayer, among others.
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Posted - Aug 17 2009 : 1:40PM

hannah west should stay away from this thread if she doesn't do interracial i don't see the point of commenting on interracial if you don't do interracial
by the way hannah west doesn't look attractive to me and she talks like it's a big loss , no offense hannah west but i couldn't care less if you did interracial , i didn't even know you but i just googled some pictures and seriously , keep a low profile , your pretense is laughable , if someone saw the way you talk they'd think you're a nicole kidman look-alike , to put it nicely , you're not that much trust me.

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Posted - Aug 17 2009 : 5:56PM

Calm down now kids. As heated as these discussions inevitably get, there are still some limits to what one ought and ought not say.
Posts like the one above, throwing out personal insults about someone's appearance, or posts like one earlier, criticizing one's education, or another, comparing sex with someone of another race to sex with children, simply don't help anyone. They don't actually address the topic at hand, and just leave everyone feeling worse than when the discussion started.
If you guys want to talk about racial sex scenes/racism in porn, then talk about it. But keep the discussion about that, and not something else. Leave the insults and erroneous claims at the door.
Thanks everyone.

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Posted - Aug 17 2009 : 11:07PM

Again, I obviously don't agree with all of what Hannah said and I think the sex with a black man/ sex with a minor analogy is strange to say the least, but instead of just hopping on the bandwagon willing to dismiss her as a delusional racist I can see some valid points in her last post.
When she applies the "sell out" label to stars who have shunned IR for most of their career but embrace it later in the game to cash in on a huge payday, well that's nothing that a lot of us haven't said before right?
That's not to say that all girls who do IR late in their careers are "sell outs", but we've all seen the examples: The Vivid girl who showed up on IR friendly forums to promote her two IR movies, only to disappear as fast as she arrived once her objective was complete. The former contract girl who claimed she'd never do IR, only to shoot the obligatory Sean Michaels scene late in her career.
The perceptive fan can tell who's sincere and who isn't, but to tell you the truth I think in a strange way there is something to be respected in Hannah's honesty. We don't have to agree with her, but would you rather her do IR and just mail it in for a paycheck? I know money is the bottom line most of the time, but most fans want at least some heat from the participants lol.
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Posted - Aug 17 2009 : 11:33PM

this thread has been totally derailed and turned into a discussion about girls who do or don't do IR and their rights to do nor not do IR and the same old stuff ...

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Posted - Aug 17 2009 : 11:42PM

I've made quite a few contributions that relate to the topic. It's up to you guys to keep it going lol.

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Hannah Westxxx
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Posted - Aug 18 2009 : 1:24PM

I never said I was hot.
But .. no.. I won't keep a low profile. I don't care what you think.. I have pussy spreads.. the least i can do is tell you to go fuck yourself for being so hateful.
So.. go fuck youself.. none of this had anything to do with you.. yet you still commented
how do you think it feels when someone specifically mentions your name?
It's okay to think i am less attractive, if that's the case shut the hell up about me not performing interacial.. and if you really didn't care, why did you comment..
and I'm the dumb girl over here?
dumb yet logical.
and at this point.. please.. call me a racist, it seems much more simplified.
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Posted - Aug 18 2009 : 2:17PM

Digital Devil,
I just wanted to say that your experience with IR porn and how it shaped your current views are almost identical to mine.
I've watched porn since my early teens, yet only started really caring about who did/didn't do IR in the past 5 years or so.
You mentioned something else very important: that you don't necessarily seek out IR scenes more than others, BUT, you want the actresses you support to be okay with IR REGARDLESS OF THE TYPE SCENE YOU ARE WATCHING THEM IN. This fits perfectly with how I feel. I don't mind watching non-IR scenes -- I do it all the time (I love BJ-only flicks and POV scenes). But I just can't get excited about watching a girl who I know is a bigot.

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Posted - Aug 18 2009 : 2:57PM

"the least i can do is tell you to go fuck yourself for being so hateful." you know there is a wonderful thing called " manners" , try to use it once in a while.
"So.. go fuck youself.." no i won't go fuck myself thank you very much, and please have some class.
"none of this had anything to do with you.. yet you still commented" well it certainly has to do with me since i'm an interracial fan and this thread is about INTERRACIAL, so you're the one in the wrong place here
"if that's the case shut the hell up about me not performing interacial" when did i ever say anything about you not doing interracial ? as i said i didn't even know you
"and if you really didn't care, why did you comment." you didn't get the point , i didn't say anything about you doing or not doing interracial, i just don't see the point of discussing interracial, i don't see any other girls here stating their reasons for doing or not doing interracial if someone is really interested in knowing your reasons not to do IR they should open a thread about you, i think it's very pretentious, read the title , this thread has nothing to do with you.
"and at this point.. please.. call me a racist, it seems much more simplified." what's with this whole alabama and racism thing ? no one said anything about racism you're the one who started this alabama and KKK thing , the word racist didn't even cross my mind, i don't call people racist unless they give me a good reason to do so , and in your case you even tried to be racist but you failed miserably.
go talk to your fans , no one here has anything against you , no one here thinks you are a racist or anything like that, we all respect your opinions and choices , it is your life , you do what you want to do with YOUR life and YOUR body and we respect you as much as we expect you to respect us.

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Posted - Aug 18 2009 : 3:03PM

tritone wrote:
Digital Devil wrote:
Though I know this post strays from the original purpose of this thread, here's my (not really) brief story on my experience with IR in porn:
The very first porno I ever saw had this one scene where this butler fucks two women while his employers are away from home. The butler was black and the women and employers were white. What I'm trying to say is that my first porno had a IR scene in it.
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Digital Devil,
I just wanted to say that your experience with IR porn and how it shaped your current views are almost identical to mine.
I've watched porn since my early teens, yet only started really caring about who did/didn't do IR in the past 5 years or so.
You mentioned something else very important: that you don't necessarily seek out IR scenes more than others, BUT, you want the actresses you support to be okay with IR REGARDLESS OF THE TYPE SCENE YOU ARE WATCHING THEM IN. This fits perfectly with how I feel. I don't mind watching non-IR scenes -- I do it all the time (I love BJ-only flicks and POV scenes). But I just can't get excited about watching a girl who I know is a bigot
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i used to watch anything , i always preferred interracial but i had no problems watching non-IR scenes, but now i went from preferring interracial to not being able to watch anything else lol, i'm interracial only now, interracial is the most exciting thing ever invented in porn, there is nothing hotter than seeing a black guy with a beautiful white girl especially a blonde girl.

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Posted - Aug 18 2009 : 4:01PM

Talk to me about manners again.
Talk to me about class again.
Talk to me about not getting the point.. when you chop up my damn response to bend to your own smartass will..
You don't see any other girls here commenting? I'm not them.
this is not my show or your show.. I'm entiled to comment here as I please, just like you.. The difference is, I'm not here hiding under some fake picture or screen name. Naturally, there is a lot more fuel you can use against me.. and you did. So.. how about this, since we are speaking of manners and class.. if you don't want me to tell you to go fuck yourself, then don't specifically say something rude attached with my name.. because I have zero issues with calling you or anyone else out. I'm thinking what I said was a little less severe and personal. Please go self reflect. Just because your little brazilian society finds it acceptable to disrespect women and the women feel like it's okay to put up with it.. doesn't mean this bitch will..
I understand this topic has been derailed.. but it's people like you who keep derailing it and it's people like me who fight back.. I'm not the type to shut up and let some alias using fuck disrespect me for the sake of them not having anything more productive to do. This would have been over a long time ago as I responded to the person who spoke of me.. and little faries like you come along talking more stupid shit.
Agree to disagree, yet again and please shut your face.

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Posted - Aug 18 2009 : 4:17PM

Hannah Westxxx wrote:
BrazilianDude wrote:
hannah west should stay away from this thread if she doesn't do interracial i don't see the point of commenting on interracial if you don't do interracial
by the way hannah west doesn't look attractive to me and she talks like it's a big loss , no offense hannah west but i couldn't care less if you did interracial , i didn't even know you but i just googled some pictures and seriously , keep a low profile , your pretense is laughable , if someone saw the way you talk they'd think you're a nicole kidman look-alike , to put it nicely , you're not that much trust me.
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Talk to me about manners again.
Talk to me about class again.
Talk to me about not getting the point.. when you chop up my damn response to bend to your own smartass will..
You don't see any other girls here commenting? I'm not them.
this is not my show or your show.. I'm entiled to comment here as I please, just like you.. The difference is, I'm not here hiding under some fake picture or screen name. Naturally, there is a lot more fuel you can use against me.. and you did. So.. how about this, since we are speaking of manners and class.. if you don't want me to tell you to go fuck yourself, then don't specifically say something rude attached with my name.. because I have zero issues with calling you or anyone else out. I'm thinking what I said was a little less severe and personal. Please go self reflect. Just because your little brazilian society finds it acceptable to disrespect women and the women feel like it's okay to put up with it.. doesn't mean this bitch will..
I understand this topic has been derailed.. but it's people like you who keep derailing it and it's people like me who fight back.. I'm not the type to shut up and let some alias using fuck disrespect me for the sake of them not having anything more productive to do. This would have been over a long time ago as I responded to the person who spoke of me.. and little faries like you come along talking more stupid shit.
Agree to disagree, yet again and please shut your face.
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so saying i'm not attracted to you is disrespectful ??? ooh that's news to me, i'm entitled to my opinion, i said i don't find you attractive , since when is that disrespectful ?, i don't disrespect women , never did and i didn't say anything rude about you, i keep my opinion , i don't find you attractive and that's it, and you fighting back ? no one is attacking you , you're the one who came here dumping all that shit about having sex with minors and flaming other users now you want to play victim.
just one more thing , you do NOT have to explain yourself , i don't know why you feel the need to come here and try to explain for the 1000000000000000th time why you don't do interracial.

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Hannah Westxxx
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Posted - Aug 18 2009 : 4:19PM

^ it's not always what you say, it's how you say it.
and I only explained my stance to the original person who spoke of me/to me...
what the hell you have to do with that, I dunno
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Royal Tee
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Posted - Aug 18 2009 : 4:23PM

Voyeur's recent release Black Listed is all about the IR aspect of the porn biz. The best scene in the movie is Katie St. Ives/Ashton Pierce w/Sean Michaels. The scene start with both ladies talking about how their agent doesn't want them to do IR, but they are going to do it anyway. It was a good scene and good movie.
Any scene from Brotha Underover fits the bill of racial sex scenes. It's too bad that one Ace drops the Mr. White gimmick, the scenes go downhill. Too much talking and making the girls say dumb shit.

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Posted - Aug 18 2009 : 4:28PM

ok then you made your point clear.

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Posted - Aug 18 2009 : 9:35PM

Eloquently stated by Hannah West:
Just because your little brazilian society finds it acceptable to disrespect women and the women feel like it's okay to put up with it.. doesn't mean this bitch will..
Note:
For someone who claims not to be prejudiced or racist, you seem to make a lot of generalizations.
A couple classes at your local community college might indeed do you a world of good. You can whore during the day and take night classes.
Cheers.

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Hannah Westxxx
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Posted - Aug 18 2009 : 10:22PM

hahahaha I love how you new members are throwing salt on the wounds.
This is the most comical thing ever..
yes that was a generalization.
I was being generalized..
did you not in fact just generalize me yourself?
whoring in the day?
when did this site start catering you people with less appreciation for who we are and what we do. Does it bother you to believe that not only do I pay for my college with my whore money, but I might actually be smarter than you? Maybe a little more wit? higher test scores? Tell me what it is exactly that makes battling me on a FAN forum just so fucking appealing? Keep telling me to stand down.. keep throwing salt.. I have just as much energy and can go all damn night with this. You may find me ignorant, terrific, but what has been said initally wasn't directed toward you or him.. I'm so sorry you have nothing better to do than to target petty fights over a fight that is not even your own.

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macktheknife365
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Posted - Aug 18 2009 : 10:51PM

Many people say “stop talking about girls who refuse to do IR” but the reason why IR fans talk about them is because 'dodging' is so contradictory to modern times that it’s surreal. The fact that there is an industry where there is an apparent pathway to success that somewhat resembles a backlash against integration is surreal. It says she's likelier to become a superstar if she makes herself a bigotry suspect! Being a dodger doesn't necessarily mean she's a bigot but it most certainly doesn't mean she's NOT! And in every other modern industry, success is easier if you prove that you are NOT A RACIST! And the fact that this industry otherwise represents ultra-liberalism at its most extreme makes all this even more surreal! Therefore you can’t help but talk about it...
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C-Hammer
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Posted - Aug 18 2009 : 11:41PM

A good rule of thumb when posting on public forums is to never say anything to a person you are talking to online that you wouldn't say face to face, no matter how much you disagree with them. If you call a woman ugly in person you are likely to loose a few teeth once she throws whatever she can find at you lol.
For the record Hannah West is an attractive girl. We disagree (and probably always will) on the IR subject, but that doesn't make her a bad person. I think some of the comments made on both sides of the issue have gotten nasty in the heat of the moment. To bring it back around to the thread topic I'll just say that I'm still waiting for that Kylie Ireland "rematch":)

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Posted - Aug 19 2009 : 1:46AM

Greetings Hannah West
"Stance"? Not a "Preference"? I could have sworn I read where you used the word "preference" earlier.
Actually IMO you're correct now--your exclusion of thousands of potential porn actors that you haven't seen or met on the basis of how they are identified racially by the agencies is more acurately described as a "stance", not a preference. In porn, "preference" implies, to me at least, that you choose who to work with on an individual basis.
And I always look at the big picture. Historically speaking in porn (and society), you represent a part of a phasing out process of many of the old ways of thinking whether you specifically are a bigot or not. From a bird's eye view, you will be remembered as a part of the old guard that was being dragged away kicking and screaming in the late 2000's.

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Posted - Aug 19 2009 : 6:44AM

we have a different definition of attractive then and i didn't even use the word " ugly" (which is an insult) , i said she's not attractive and she's not , anyone with two eyes can see she's not attractive, this is personal opinion and i have the right to express it.
her being attractive or not has nothing to do with her stance on interracial, i have no problems admitting dodgers like dani jensen , kelli stone , casey parker marie mccray etc are very attractive, there are tons of attractive dodgers, hannah west just doesn't happen to be one of them.

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Posted - Aug 19 2009 : 7:09AM

macktheknife365 wrote:
Many people say “stop talking about girls who refuse to do IR” but the reason why IR fans talk about them is because 'dodging' is so contradictory to modern times that it’s surreal. The fact that there is an industry where there is an apparent pathway to success that somewhat resembles a backlash against integration is surreal. It says she's likelier to become a superstar if she makes herself a bigotry suspect! Being a dodger doesn't necessarily mean she's a bigot but it most certainly doesn't mean she's NOT! And in every other modern industry, success is easier if you prove that you are NOT A RACIST! And the fact that this industry otherwise represents ultra-liberalism at its most extreme makes all this even more surreal! Therefore you can’t help but talk about it...
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ok now you said something really interesting...
"And in every other modern industry, success is easier if you prove that you are NOT A RACIST!"
are you sure about that ? i don't think so , this is the porn equivalent of what we see in the mainstream media everyday, at least in the US, white rappers hang around with black guys but always get married to white women, same with white female R n' B singers or rappers, they like being with black guys in their videos and love dressing like them but in 99% of the cases they are married to white men, and now hollywood , how often to you see interracial couples in mainstream productions ? not very often, most characters seem to get along pretty well with black people and it's hard to see a movie where the main character doesn't have a black friend but have you noticed how they are always stick to their own when it comes to dating ?, so porn is the same, famous dodgers take pictures with black guys , have a lot of black friends but don't do them on film.
this is an american problem, the most famous pornstars in europe have done interracial , the most famous girl BY FAR in germany is gina wild , she's mainstream , ANYONE in germany knows gina wild, even the ones who have never watched porn (she's more famous in germany than jenna jameson in america) and she did 3 interracial scenes , in england just about any actress does interracial, same with france and italy.

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Posted - Aug 19 2009 : 7:24AM

ginger lynn was an exception ...people say she was very famous in the 80's when she did IR.

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Posted - Oct 3 2009 : 8:12PM

Exactly.

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Posted - Nov 2 2009 : 11:05PM

haha! I am still waiting for it too!
C'mon directors...I DARE you to give me the biggest black cock you can find! And yes, in my ass.

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Posted - Nov 4 2009 : 8:26PM

Damn! Directors on ADT hear that? The Legend is ready to take on any n all cummers hardcore interracial style! Oh the possibilities lol ;)

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drkush
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Posted - Nov 6 2009 : 1:07AM

I don't really see the point of the whole discussion, I'm a huge lover of interracial flicks but I could care less if a certain actress doesn't do them. Thats her choice and she's free to make it, this is america still ain't it? I say that and I too get upset that certain actresses won't go black, such as Sunny Lane, Audrey Bitoni, or Alexis Texas. Maybe they got a good reason for it, or maybe they don't its really none of my business. I'd still bury my face in their asses if given half a chance, oh and I'm a white guy by the way.
Of course if a girl doesn't go black I'm a lot less likely to watch her films, as thats what I primarily rent it seems. Unless they are super duper hot like the ones I mentioned above. I had never seen a Jewel De'Nyle scene til she took it from Lex in Ass Worship, now she is one of my all time favorites!
Notice the controversy is always about the white girl who won't go black, no one complains about the porn stars that won't go mexican, or arab!

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C-Hammer
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Posted - Nov 6 2009 : 1:15AM

drkush wrote:
I don't really see the point of the whole discussion, I'm a huge lover of interracial flicks but I could care less if a certain actress doesn't do them. Thats her choice and she's free to make it, this is america still ain't it? I say that and I too get upset that certain actresses won't go black, such as Sunny Lane, Audrey Bitoni, or Alexis Texas. Maybe they got a good reason for it, or maybe they don't its really none of my business. I'd still bury my face in their asses if given half a chance, oh and I'm a white guy by the way.
Of course if a girl doesn't go black I'm a lot less likely to watch her films, as thats what I primarily rent it seems. Unless they are super duper hot like the ones I mentioned above. I had never seen a Jewel De'Nyle scene til she took it from Lex in Ass Worship, now she is one of my all time favorites!
Notice the controversy is always about the white girl who won't go black, no one complains about the porn stars that won't go mexican, or arab!
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Actually the original thread topic was about extreme interracial content in porn and somehow got derailed into a pissing match about who will and wont do IR. The mods closed it once I think, but Kylie was replying to a post about her from me, at the same time she managed to bring the thread back on point.

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LLvladk
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Posted - Nov 19 2009 : 12:56PM

Who are those pornstars?

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LLvladk
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Posted - Nov 26 2009 : 11:28AM

I guess you couldn't come up with an actress who has gone on record saying she won't work with latinos. I'm sure by mexicans you meant latinos/hispanics.

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