Is there some reason why people need to explain their personal decisions to you? Personally, I can deal with just knowing she has her own reasons for doing it. Just like I don't walk up to an airline pilot and demand to know why he flies planes for a living. That's his business, isn't it?
Risks are inescapable in life. You take your life into your hands every time you drive your car. Congratulating yourself because your risks aren't the same as someone else's isn't necessarily a sign of intelligence.
I threw up in my mouth a little when I saw the preview for Mondays show with the 600 pound woman. You haven't live until you've seen her camel toe.
I thought news reports were out saying that Tyra was fat - she looks fine to me.
It's nice to see Dr. Drew out there - I think I may get a pair of glasses like he has.
I think Sasha came off pretty well - obviously the audience was shocked at a few things. I'm not super wild about her - but I'm sure I've had a lot of fun watching her scenes. I agree with the typical statement that she is very well spoken especially for her age and I think is in control of her career.
I guess I've heard of her agent - is he the Spiegler Girls guy? He has a little bit of a sleaze look about him - but may be a perfectly good guy. No doubt he has a pair of balls to be in a room of women like that. I'd have flop sweat dripping down every inch of my body in the same situation. I'm sure a few had some choice words with him it once the taping was over - or maybe passed on their contact information to get some bookings. Who knows really. I saw some cuties in the audience.
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Posted - Feb 9 2007 : 3:54AM
One thing I noticed that could become a bit troubling for the biz is that Sasha said she has been watching porn since she was about 15 years old. Internet porn. That's a lot of ammo for the anti-porn crowd.
I can see the public service announcements. Picture of innocent looking Sasha. Cut to clip of her saying she's been watching porn since she was 15. Cut to censored clip of her about to be fucked in her gang bang. Narrator then closes saying something about the evils of porn.
On an unrelated note, I would have creamed my pants if someone had told Tyra about the 15 loads of sperm Sasha swallowed in her gang bang. LOL
No anecdote about what college kids were like in the seventies is relevant after the HIV pandemic of the last twenty years. It might behoove everyone to go over a list of risk factors of HIV infection: unprotected sex and the presence of STDs are two of them. Who was it that said that the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results?
All of you wanted so badly to have a barely legal goddess who was/is a paragon of self-actualization and empowerment...and you thought you had it in the form of Sasha Grey. Now that the thin veneer has worn away, fanboy denial has set in. The white knighting is precious, really, but Sasha doesn't respond to threads that don't praise her directly, remember? And I suspect she's still pleased that, at the very least, people are talking about her.
I know this is going to sound bad but Spiegler's apperance on camera was not helping the image of the porn industry. Great show though. Who was the chubby porn star girl? I don't see how she could be successful in porn at all.
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yeah, the whole thing was not "good for porn"…I really think that that any benefits are outweighed by the deficits…
Married lucky's comments re: what Miss Grey's are easily ignored, particularly as he did not take much care in his writing, and we cannot know completely what her motivations are…I would guess that she knows having a bunch of fanboys salivating over her is mighty good marketing…
But PinUp mutant's second post, troll-ish or not, does make a point that I'll cop to, and I would imagine that many on this thread could: I am compelled by "a barely legal goddess who was/is a paragon of self-actualization and empowerment." I am impressed with her attitude and intelligence, and she reminds of women I've known… and she's hotter'n a pistol at 18…and all of that is complicated and questionable. It is indistutable that many more 15 year olds have access to wacky spank-material than 20 years ago, and this troubles some, not unreasonably, and the idea of sexually active teenagers drives moralists crazy, despite the fact that teeenage sexuality is a basic fact of human history…
That said, no matter how much she likes Nietschze, she's also 18, and walking into a fucking witch trial like that would unnerve people much, much older. Sexuality and its representations in the world are hausfrau-bait NUMERO UNO for these shows, moreso than, say, the Libby trial, and I do wish that she could have retaliated better. Hats off to her boyfriend, too…that took balls, for a non-industry guy to come and talk about what its like to be with a gal who does porn like she does.
Where was Nina Hartley when she was needed? again, I gotta say that having Spiegler on the show was a HUGE mistake…while I can easily believe that Miss Grey did seem older to him on the phone, he was unkempt, inarticulate, easy to stereotype and thus easily steam-rolled…
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Commentary: Sasha Grey on 'The Tyra Banks Show' - The Post-Analysis By: Peter Warren Posted: 5:00 am PST 2-9-2007
LOS ANGELES - Well, on-fire starlet Sasha Grey's appearance on "The Tyra Banks Show" aired Thursday morning, and as Sasha herself augured in a recent MySpace blog, "the art of montage" was employed most strategically.
Indeed, the most cutting moment — the one that turned the tables on Tyra and crew, making their attempts to portray Sasha as a lost, victimized little girl pretty much swirl down the drain — was excised. What I'm referring to, of course, is Sasha's triumphant speech about how she was being "exploited" by appearing on Banks' show as much as she is any time she shoots a porn scene. In the former case, it's exploitation for ratings, and hence advertising dollars. In the latter, it's exploitation for the spending cash and, by extension, sexual pleasure of porn consumers.
Only neither is really exploitation at all. Because Sasha decided to do both of her own free will, fully cognizant of the stakes and the benefit others would subsequently reap.
But then again, in light of the show's editorial actions, maybe it actually is exploitation on their part. After all, by manipulating Sasha's presentment to hammer home the aforementioned "lost, victimized" caricature and completely squash her very well-articulated defense of her career choice, aren't they in fact twisting her depiction against her will to amp up its dramatic value and thus better serve them? (Not to mention allow Tyra Banks to save face?)
I guess they weren't counting on an AVN writer witnessing and reporting their practices for all the world to consider.
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Posted - Feb 9 2007 : 10:58AM
Has it worn away simply because you have declared it to be so? You imply Tyra actually succeeded in her attempt to make Sasha look like a stupid bimbo. Tyra only needs to look in the mirror if she wants to find one of those.I've been a subscriber to her MySpace blog for a while now and I've seen her occasionally respond to people on a case by case basis and it's not always praise she responds too. I doubt she has the time to respond to every single person and every single comment on every single forum across the internet.
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Posted - Feb 9 2007 : 11:57AM
MrSunshine - does she respond to people who are rude to her? I know I wouldn't.
For those of you who think being in porn is a stupid career choice please go post somewhere else. Yes, it is trolling to join a porn forum just to put down the people who make it.
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Posted - Feb 9 2007 : 12:16PM
I don't remember her responding to anyone being directly rude to her personally but I vaguely remember someone saying something ignorant about AIDS to another poster on one of her blogs and she stepped in. Come to think of it, that's the only time I remember her responding to an ignorant comment and it's so far back in the blog archives I can't find it. But I agree why bother to respond to every rude ignorant thing someone says. There aren't enough hours in the day and there are better ways to spend your time.
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Posted - Feb 9 2007 : 12:30PM
I for one, would like to state, so there is no confusion on my position about choosing porn as a career...I do not think it is stupid to choose porn as a career, but I do think that someone can handle their porn career stupidly, and be used up to quickly.
I am going to try to say this as nicely as possible. So, please don't accuse me of "assaulting," "bashing," or "attacking" Sasha.
For a while now, I've been wondering not if, but when, this girl would somehow implode. She always struck me as just a little too zealous, both in terms of her self-promotion and in terms of her expressed interest in "pushing the envelope." Personally, I speculated about the degree to which she was being manipulated and whether or not drugs were involved. If either is the case, then it is a sad, sad story. A person should pursue a calling out of a sincere desire - not because they are being pushed by someone else or because they are led by an addiction.
At present, there is a lot of speculation about what has happened to Ms. Grey. She's been silent for about a month now. During the same time, we've had the warts story and the appearance on Tyra. My guess is that she was offered assistance/treatment by a person outside of the porn industry and that she is taking this time to reflect on her life. If she never returns, it'll be kind of like Keri Sable part 2, and yet another reason for all of us to seriously question the appropriateness of teenagers performing in porn.
Well, it's nice to know that you're incapable of grasping a point. Nevertheless, I'll respond to your remarks for the benefit of those who are.What's different about porn isn't the prevalence of HIV/AIDS (it isn't), it's the commercial nature of the sex and the expectations we have about safety in the workplace. So, even though the risk is no higher (in fact, it might be lower), there's general agreement that more should be done.
Sometimes we have to allow those we care for to take risks we wouldn't and hope for the best. That's life. The best we can do is help make sure they understand what those risks are. So, if you want to challenge the porn business to do more to raise the awareness of STD's in the community then I can get behind that. However, you seem to be throwing out facts without regard to their relevance and context.
The thin veneer has worn away? Because you think she's got an STD she can no longer be a 'barely legal goddess and paragon of whatever?' Pfft. Like you get to decide.
Why just porn. What about the child actors that succumbed to alcohol and drugs some even have committed suicide. What about the teenagers that die in war. What about the thousands of teenagers addicted to drugs ever year because of our half ass effort on the war on drugs.
I’m not sure if you have a real concern about Sasha or just an agenda against porn and Sasha
I do hope life is kind to Sasha, she is a very special person
i like sasha, she is a cutiepie i saw her in sanfrancisco the other day. and she said to me "oh you poor thing" about my house burning down. i like her.
on a day that i needed to laugh only Dana could bring a smile to my face thanks Dana thanks alot i needed that..
now back to topic i am not going to get into this bash Sasha grey stuff it happend a week or so ago and now these clowns are out to do it in this thread so i am out. Say what you want about Sasha you know nothing about her or care to know nothing about her for you to not just disrespect her but her fans also is sad. Sasha showed she was above Tyra Banks and she is above this also
Please. The least you could do is be honest.Do you even know what an implosion is? LOL! Sorry. Couldn't resist. But people don't implode in normal circumstances. Seriously.Porn stars aren't supposed to promote themselves? For that matter....everybody promotes themselves to some extent. But especially in a business like this. You need to make sure you are seen.Yes, yes. Poor thing. I bet she had a horrible childhood, was raped in her sleep by the family dog, molested with a garlic pickle every day, beaten by her drunken stepfather, etc. Because everybody knows that no girl in her right mind likes to fuck. Right? Girls don't even have minds of their own, after all. They're not supposed to want to do anything but be a secretary or a nurse, marry some slob, settle in some dreary neighborhood, pop out a couple of useless brats and spend the rest of their lives sitting on the couch drooling while they watch people like Tyra Banks begging for applause on that ridiculous show of hers.Well, I'm pretty sure Sasha smokes weed but I don't consider weed to be a drug in the sense that you're talking about. Weed doesn't make people do anything. But it figures that you'd think she couldn't possibly be sober and still like sex.No. What's really sad is that I'm sure there were people all over the place with an agenda waiting for the first pimple on her ass so they could point and slobber and jump up and down and holler "I told ya so! I told ya so!".And as long as that person isn't a young female and the desire has nothing whatsoever to do with the sex trade, it's automatically a sincere desire. But the second a woman decides she actually likes sex and wants to do porn.....well now...there must be somefin wrong with that thar girl!Gee....I wonder why?Maybe it's time to wonder whether or not constant criticism and peer pressure by the obviously anti-porn crowd to be a fucking secretary or something might be a hell of a lot more damaging than a wart on your ass?
And what's next? We could set the age for porn at 30 and there would still be a crowd of goofballs who insisted that the women were being brainwashed, manipulated, threatened or whatever. Some people will always look for reasons to stir up shit because they have a personal problem with porn. Talk to your shrink about that.....OK?
Edited by - randomprecision on 2/9/2007 8:04:05 PM
GreatGatsby your statement is made in total lies and for you to make a coment with no information to back it up is disrespectful. Sasha grey has been Filming in the last 2 weeks that i know i know for a fact she was filming for Belladonna this week she has been in San Fran Filming for Kink.com also the Tyra Banks show was filmed 6-8 weeks ago so it has nothing to do with where she is now in her career. i see it as very sad that you ans some others on here just want to tear these girls down for something your mother or father did to you as a child. did mom and dad not love you enough or something else i dont know but i feel Sasha owes you and me nothing she is living her life so why dont you go live yours with out disrespecting sasha and the rest of the girls here with your Lies and uninformed opinons.
Steph i am sorry if i have disrected anyones job or over steped my bounderys but i had to say something to these haters.
one last coment befor i leave this thread to the jackels to pick apart this Tyra banks show was recorded like a month and half ago or futher back so anyone who is saying that Sasha admitted to the warts thing is so full of BS. i did watch the show Sasha Admitted to have had a STD already that is all. from what i hear on here and other boards it's common and the girls take care of stuff.
As always, as with Tyra, there are sigificant issues to discuss, but instead of seeking enlightenment, it all just skews to juvenile blah-blah. That's why Nonsense always beats Porn Pool, It begins juvenile and proceeds to enlightenment.
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Posted - Feb 9 2007 : 8:15PM
mod: your comments are no longer welcome in this thread.
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Posted - Feb 9 2007 : 8:33PM
for all Sasha fanboys, no one, either in "last weeks thread" or this one has bashed Sasha. Please re-read that thread, if you must.
no one has bashed Sasha in this one either.
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Posted - Feb 9 2007 : 8:56PM
mod: your comments are no longer welcome in this thread.
I will repeat that What is likely to affect someone's mental well being is your own behavior so you might want to pause and reflect on that.......that is if you really give a damn (which I doubt).
But as far as being a "Sasha Grey fan", not really. She's hot, has a nice ass and a sexy personality but I'm not an obsessive Sasha fan. I've only seen her in maybe 4 movies and I got those because of who was directing them more than who was in them.
But I'm not going to sit here and watch people tear porn stars down, hound them to the brink of insanity, and then blame the resulting destruction on porn.
Edited by - randomprecision on 2/10/2007 9:44:48 AM
That's not for you to say. As for your opinion of the other thread, you've expressed it and your opinion has been rejected. If you insist on sniping about it don't be surprised to lose your posting privileges.
Of course she will fade from the scene.Nothing ever stays the same. Movie stars, politicians, singers all have their time, then fade away. Some resurface some don’t. Porn is not any different. As with all of us there will be a time when she is not fresh faced and 18 As time passes she will enter into a new phase of her life. She has said she would like to go back to school in this phase. But if she decides to continue porn the door is always open.I see your remarks as bashing her. Posting defamatory remarks on a board speculating on STD that you have no proof even exist. That you know she reads.For what reason, just to wag the shame finger at her.
Why her and why insult us for defending her. If she stays or goes is her decision. Not mine, not yours.
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Posted - Feb 9 2007 : 10:39PM
No one should worry too much about this or any other particular sex worker, or the reputation of the sex industry. So long as there's demand, and money to be made, the product will surface. Like any product, every sex worker is ultimately replaceable, from the perspective of the industry (hundreds of girls are always making their way to Porn Valley), as well as our's (our sexual desire can endlessly find new objects upon which to focus its withering heat). Sasha et al. will be toast soon enough, but the adult industry pimps will always find its customers more ladies looking to take shortcuts in this life. Only to discover, as Sasha will, that there are no shortcuts. And the pimps will feign concern, and we will sigh (genuinely even), and when the craving returns, we'll meet and do this all again.
Following history's inexorable rhythms is really such a terrible pleasure.
Damn the haters are out. We're all replaceable. We just replaced a number of people in congress and in November 2008 we’re going to replace the President of the United States. The United Kingdome will replace Tony Blair soon. No one on this earth is irreplaceable and there is always someone stepping in to take their place.
People come and go on my job and yours all the time and my boss pimps my ass out every day so does yours.
The pimps in Washington feign concern when our solders are killed, but continue down the same path that got them killed. Congress and employers feign concern about employees being killed or mimed on the job, but are more interested in passing laws to limit employer liability.
The porn industry is no better or worse employer, than any other industry
Pimps and whores are the ones with honest jobs they don’t lie about it and roll around tying to cover themselves in a false cloak of respectably
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Posted - Feb 9 2007 : 12:25AM