Amusingly forbidden?

A big surprise?

Boobs AND a dick?

Whoooo-wheeeee!

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Can anyone explain the appeal of fisting, double anal, triple anal, double vaginal, double/triple/quadruple penetrations, rough sex, choking, swallowing, anal sex?

Everyones got different tastes/kinks, mine happen to range from average to bizarre, but I don't judge others based upon their likes and dislikes... well except for those who enjoy Wax Lardcore films, then those I question, but not judge...

---BIGmike, going and going and going since MCMLXXX---

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i should be so lucky, lucky lucky lucky

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There was one that I found fascinating however, in that she was very attractive and feminine, yet also had a very big cock. She did males and females both, and I think her name was Kelly Michaels. Does anyone know anything about her?
And excuse my ignorance, but do Rogue Adventures shemales only do males?

Stasha was one of the best, but sadly died a couple of years ago from leukemia. She was prettier and had more natural looking tits than most females in porn. She was always a bottom though, and never had an orgasm as far as I could tell. Actually, come to think of it she would have fit right in

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Now to answer...
Nope, mostly though, but not every scene.

The new Rogue Adventures 18 will have a scene with Jessica Darlin and Vanity, I think. There have been a few other girl/she-male scenes. Pretty rare, but there have been scenes. Personally I'd love to see a She-male/she-male pairing in a scene, and perhaps a whole DVD. [Keep dreaming, BIGmike.]

---BIGmike, going and going and going since MCMLXXX---

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As a gay man, personally, I don't see the attraction. Guess I went to too many really bad drag shows when I first came out. Now, a trans-man with a really nice strap-on...well that is a different story!

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It's one of the ultimate taboo's, it's a curiosity and a facination, it can be exciting and naughty, a secret joke on the rest of the world. Like many other sexual fantasies can be many things to many people.

Personally big goopy cum shots turn me off and TG's turn me on. As I said differnt strokes...

That's all I wanted to say. Oh and I think Sasha is cute. And now I'm going to the gas station

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I was just curious, having been round some video shops this week and noticed that most of them have a sizeable section, or at least a shelf, devoted to shemale titles. You would think that shemales would be a very small minority taste.

But whatever rocks your boat!

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No problem-o

You would think that shemales would be a very small minority taste.

I really believe that Rogue Adventures opened the door to this genre. Sure it was done before Joey Silvera came around to it, but he filmed it just right. Won awards for it, proving that there is a market and a sizable fan base. Since Joey, a lot of she-male titles have gotten better, most notably those from Gia Darling.

I think that the first she-male Joey filmed was in his A Clock Strikes Bizarre on Butt Row?

---BIGmike, going and going and going since MCMLXXX---

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And unlike she-males such as Stasha (who never had a hard cock) and Kelly Michaels (who looked too much like a man) the Silvera discs feature she-males with large, hard cocks..

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And unlike she-males such as Stasha (who never had a hard cock) and Kelly Michaels (who looked too much like a man) the Silvera discs feature she-males with large, hard cocks..

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However, having been persecuted for my persuasion most of my life, I sympathize with other sexual minorities and applaud any effort to further their understanding and acceptance, including in pornography.

I'm just not interested in watching the genre.

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I don't see any problem with this (liking porn puts us ALL IN A SEXUAL MINORITY;) its not my cup o tea, but to each their own. I only think its annoying when this stuff is put on so-called straight discs, because I don't wanna see it after paying 22.95 as much as a gay man or woman wouldn't want to see straight sex on a film they believed was gay.

Oh, and Stasha looks like Kirk Douglas in Spartacus.

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John Stagliano himself worked with an extremely beautiful and feminine she-male in the controversial Buttman Confidential, yet, despite that, I don't consider John gay because he's not attracted to men who look like men. I guess you could say that he's bisexual, but I don't even think of him as bisexual in the truest sense.

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At least a tranny would be some variety.

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I'd be interested in hearing what the other Brits think because I'm not sure if Britain as a whole likes this thing. "Its just not Cricket!" - Stiff upper lip an' all.

Personally it doesn't do anything for me, and teh only covergirl of teh Rogue series I find attractive is Jessica Darlin. (and most of teh she-males have small willies!)

Why do I keep typing 'the' as teh???

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I see nothing wrong with shemale vids, they aren't for me, as much as Double anals and other things seem very strange and not to my taste. Its all good to whoever desires it.
To me, its not a matter of appetite but rather taste; and some people have exotic tastes I guess where as others don't. I just don't like a chef trying to slip a new flavor into a dish to see if I notice it. It feels kind of suspect, the small hints of men blowing men, men in drag, and shemales in some 'straight' titles makes me kind of cautious of most gonzo titles (not to mention all the guy/guy dick rubbing.) I just wanna see girls with a guy. I am in a sexual minority too...

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Nothing and everything.

I have no problem saying, yes, I like the "dick on the chick". And I like the she-males to be functional, yes.

I will admit to being "bi", though I definitely lean a lot more to the "straight side".

I like anything that gets me up and off. Anything that doesn't, guess what, I don't like.

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That doesn't necessarily imply anything.

1. A heterosexual still watches sex scenes between men and women. To take arguments of heterosexuality to the limit, any "real" man would only watch lesbian movies - because they wouldn't feel comfortable looking at a naked man. (I don't think that anybody could effectively argue that stance, I'm just pointing out the logical conclusion of the shemale/penis argument is that "if you're watching a penis you must not be truly heterosexual".)

2. Just because there's an attraction to a shemale's penis, doesn't in any way mean that the person has latent homosexual tendencies. (And I'm not saying that there's a problem with that if that is the case.) In addition to "reviews" of shemales talking about functional penises, they *also* talk about how feminine the shemale is. The more feminine *and* the more functional the penis, the more attraction there is. If it were purely a matter of latent homosexuality then "feminine looks" wouldn't be a key criterion. (And, regardless of justifications and intellectualization, your body simply reacts to what excites it. So if a more feminine shemale turns you on more than does a masculine shemale - or a guy - then it can't JUST be a matter of "excusing"/cloaking the desire.)

3. Why is there a need to pigeon-hole transgendered people into either a "male" or "female" role in the first place? They certainly don't want to be referred to in that way. In fact, many transgendered people (and I'm not just talking about so-called shemales) take active offence when people try to shove them into one or the other sex. I think that they should be considered on their own merits - as people first, just like all the rest of us, then as a distinct sexual category.

4. Even if there is no sexual attraction at all, there can still be aesthetic considerations. I'm certainly not sexually attracted to television sets, but if I buy one I'd rather have a large, widescreen, high definition set than an old 13" analog model from 20 years ago. Nobody wants to watch an adult video in which the actors are ugly (even accepting the subjectivity of "ugly"). So if you had to choose between watching Ron Jeremy and Peter North (even though neither one turned you on) which would it be? I'll bet that almost everyone would pick Peter North despite the fact that it has nothing to do with "latent homosexuality".

5. Finally, and related to the comment immediately above, would you rather watch a straight video with Lexington Steele or one with a guy with a 3" penis who can't get an erection or manage to ejaculate?

On a more personal note, I'll chime in and say that I have absolutely no desire to experience a homosexual encounter, nor does watching homosexual sex do much of anything for me at all.

But, despite my lack of interest in things homosexual (or bisexual), I do find shemales to be stimulating. (And, the more like a natural woman they appear, the more stimulating they are.) Therefore, it's not the "maleness" of shemales that I'm attracted to in any way, but the "femaleness" along with JUST the male sex organ. Put it on a guy and I'll stay away; put in on a woman and it's a different ballgame. (No pun intended!) Nor is it just because I'm "allowing" my "hidden" desires to come out and "justifying" them by the fact that a shemale is "essentially" a woman so it's "all right".

Edited by - Mythsong on 11/22/2002 4:07:35 PM

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The very few cases of post-op transgendered people in pornography consist entirely of men who have completed the transition to women. As of yet (as far as I know) there hasn't been a single instance of a female -> male actor on film. (The best known male -> female actor is Gina.)

As for Rogue Adventures, I don't believe that they feature ANY post-op transgenders. (They would all be pre-op male-female actors.)

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If you enjoy watching a guy blow a cock on a shemale than its not heterosexual, as much as a female licking a vagina on a hermaphrodite with male features is not straight. If you enjoy cock, cool man! Go for it! Its like eating meat on tofu, your not being a vegetarian with this kinda meal no matter how much you talk about the tofu tasting good. Like I said, its a matter of taste.

'Nobody wants to watch an adult video in which the actors are ugly,'

is not an accurate statement, check out a title such as 'balder, fatter, uglier' and you get the picture even if you don't want to buy that picture. And if we could agree on what is 'beautiful' well, that would be a fun discussion too without much agreement.

I think that pigeon-holing people is perfectly fine, I don't think anything is wrong with judging people. Try going on a job interview or look at who you sit next to at a concert. Its all judgements. Hell, here at ADT we judge people on their looks with every review and breath we take, give stats, numbers, and ratings. Shes ugly, he ugly, shes a skank, hes a prick, shes a whore, shes not a whore... this goes on ad nauseum. And if you start judging femaleness and maleness on appearance rather than just biology, then I think it is just as biased as anything I have said. I think people who like men sucking a cock are gay, just as you think that makeup, a high pitch voice, and hormone-induced breasts make a woman (which I disagree with.)

Please tell me what being feminine is; or masculine. If I said women should sit at home, knit, and make babys, I hope I would get a verbal lashing. So too is the notion that because a shemale acts like what 'men' think women should act like, she then transcends into becoming a woman. This is the same as me acting like how I think any particular culture might be and then wondering why that culture doens't accept me. All I am saying is that shemales and being attracted to them is not heterosexual; which is fine. I don't know why people who are homosexual are so afraid to admit to being it. Just fess up, thats all I am saying...

Edited by - P-Knuckle on 11/22/2002 4:34:38 PM

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lindi writes:
".....except for my bj discs, pretty much all of my so-called straight discs waste at least one scene with 2 women who arent even lesbians slobbering at each other."

amen to that! waste being the key word....

i find the subject kinda fascinating, and was astonished at the sheer number of shemales and fans. i give bigmike a lot of credit for having the cajones to admit his taste for the genre, given how it is often misunderstood. it is a complex issue, and one that most gays cannot relate to anymore than straights, but i dont think theyre really bi-sexual either. its my understanding that most shemales feel that they are really females born in a mans body, so to speak, and are simply trying to correct that, with varying degrees of success. is there anything worse than a butt-ugly shemale?while i dont mind seeing attractive ones, i dont wanna see their shriveled up little puds, either.

when does rogue adventures 18 hit the streets? i might have to pick that one up. i think it would be hot to be fucked by a pretty female with a real cock. i think a lot of guys would like that too, but might have a tougher time admitting it. <

lindi writes:
".....except for my bj discs, pretty much all of my so-called straight discs waste at least one scene with 2 women who arent even lesbians slobbering at each other."

amen to that! waste being the key word....

i find the subject kinda fascinating, and was astonished at the sheer number of shemales and fans. i give bigmike a lot of credit for having the cajones to admit his taste for the genre, given how it is often misunderstood. it is a complex issue, and one that most gays cannot relate to anymore than straights, but i dont think theyre really bi-sexual either. its my understanding that most shemales feel that they are really females born in a mans body, so to speak, and are simply trying to correct that, with varying degrees of success. is there anything worse than a butt-ugly shemale?while i dont mind seeing attractive ones, i dont wanna see their shriveled up little puds, either.

when does rogue adventures 18 hit the streets? i might have to pick that one up. i think it would be hot to be fucked by a pretty female with a real cock. i think a lot of guys would like that too, but might have a tougher time admitting it. <<

lindi writes:
".....except for my bj discs, pretty much all of my so-called straight discs waste at least one scene with 2 women who arent even lesbians slobbering at each other."

amen to that! waste being the key word....

i find the subject kinda fascinating, and was astonished at the sheer number of shemales and fans. i give bigmike a lot of credit for having the cajones to admit his taste for the genre, given how it is often misunderstood. it is a complex issue, and one that most gays cannot relate to anymore than straights, but i dont think theyre really bi-sexual either. its my understanding that most shemales feel that they are really females born in a mans body, so to speak, and are simply trying to correct that, with varying degrees of success. is there anything worse than a butt-ugly shemale?while i dont mind seeing attractive ones, i dont wanna see their shriveled up little puds, either.

when does rogue adventures 18 hit the streets? i might have to pick that one up. i think it would be hot to be fucked by a pretty female with a real cock. i think a lot of guys would like that too, but might have a tougher time admitting it. <

lindi writes:
".....except for my bj discs, pretty much all of my so-called straight discs waste at least one scene with 2 women who aren't even lesbians slobbering at each other."

amen to that! waste being the key word....

i find the subject kinda fascinating, and was astonished at the sheer number of shemales and fans. i give bigmike a lot of credit for having the cajones to admit his taste for the genre, given how it is often misunderstood. it is a complex issue, and one that most gays cannot relate to anymore than straights, but i don't think they're really bi-sexual either. it's my understanding that most shemales feel that they are really females born in a man's body, so to speak, and are simply trying to correct that, with varying degrees of success. is there anything worse than a butt-ugly shemale?while i don't mind seeing attractive ones, i don't wanna see their shriveled up little puds, either.

when does rogue adventures 18 hit the streets? i might have to pick that one up. i think it would be hot to be fucked by a pretty female with a real cock. i think a lot of guys would like that too, but might have a tougher time admitting it. [[[[[[

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I'm gonna pick it up pretty soon just to satisfy my curiosity (and hopefully get off too). So I could care less what anyone wants to think of that.

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Perhaps Ron Jeremy naked, lol.

No, there have been times when I just couldn't watch a scene due to "unattractive" performers. But there is always, at least one "throw away/filler" scene in every she-male DVD.

But I have no problems admitting I like it, so what?

and I think Rogue Adventures 18 has a street date in December, second week(?), not sure, but in December.

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DB says-
'I think it would be hot to be fucked by a pretty female with a real cock. I think a lot of guys would like that too, but might have a tougher time admitting it. '

This is what I am sayin, just admit to your tastes.

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Isn't this just a blatant contradiction? Well, they aren't women really. they are men. And they are ugly.(controversial)

Mythsong - thanks for the pic link. I was scared to open it at first! On completion I admit - the body was very good, but the face just gives it away.

I'd like to watch one just for the experience. Rogue 18 is tempting me with J Darlin, it woudl be pretty cool if she got anal off the chick-boy and if she swallowed the chick-boy's 'man juice' or shoudl i call it 'chick-boy juice'. They can cum can't they?

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Between the careful makeup, long hair, breat implants and hormones I had no inkling.

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As long as you realize that what you are saying (over and over) is merely an opinion and not a fact, no problem-o.

I think it's quite clear that most guys who watch she-male movies are strictly heterosexual for the following obvious reasons: one, all of the lovers they've ever had in their life (including their wife or girlfriend) are 100% natural born females; two, although they get a sexual kick out of watching a very feminine-looking she male in a movie--that doesn't necessarily mean that they would actually have sex with a she male themselves if the opportunity presented itself. In some cases, it would probably be true, but I'm willing to bet that in most cases, it would not be true.

To have something that is strictly a sexual fantasy doesn't define a person's sexual orientation, any more than fantasizing about raping a woman makes a man a rapist. The most that you could say is that a man who likes to watch she male porn is exhibiting homosexual tendancies, but you couldn't rightfully label that person a homosexual, any more than you could label a man who likes to watch rape-themed movies a rapist.

I would agree that if a straight man actually had sex with a she male, then that experience would, by definition, be a homosexual act. But if apart from that experience, that man's sexual encounters were focused exclusively on natural born females, then I still wouldn't consider the guy to be gay. For example, I have a relative who, when she was in her early teens, had a sexual encounter with another girl her age. Apart from that one experience, all of her other lovers later in life (and she's had a great many) have all been men. Does that one encounter with another girl make her a lesbian? I don't THINK so. Even if she had had two or three encounters with another female (or four or five, for that matter), I still wouldn't think of her as a lesbian. This is why I don't think of John Stagliano as being either gay or bisexual, despite the fact that he has had a sexual encounter with a she male at least once.

Of course, all of this is merely my opinion, just as your view is merely your opinion (which, there's no need to state yet AGAIN).

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I would definitely rather be with a woman wearing a strap-on than with a she-male.

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in Transsexual Heartbreakers 2.

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oh, no offence meant

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Your sympathetic nervous system responds to shocking or threatening things with a jolt of adrenaline - a fight or flight response - increased heart rate, faster breathing, increased blood pressure and, as long as the perceived threat isn't too severe , an increase in potential for sexual arousal.

That's the reason that it's more exciting to have sex in the choir loft at your church than it is at home in bed.

She-males might not be a turn-on to anyone who does not find anything shocking or threatening about them.

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I'm straight, and I have no desire to view a she-male feature. However, if I was horny, and the ONLY adult DVD I had was a she-male one, I'd pop it in and check it out.

Now, I can say with absolute certainty, that I would ONLY get aroused if there was a scene where the she-male fucked a girl. To watch a she-male with a guy, which is apparently what most of these films are, that just seems gay to me.

I hope I haven't offended anyone. I just wanted to say that, if someone is straight, I would ASSUME that they would want to see a female in the film, not two dicks. It just sounded strange when I read that most of the scenes include a man, yet this genre has a large heterosexual following.

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Here's the gist of the fantasy (and yes, it IS a fantasy): a real, honest-to-goodness woman (a woman in every conceivable way possible)--except with a penis. To make SURE you're understanding this concept, consider this example. Let's say that you just got married to a beautiful, natural-born female, who turns you on sexually more than any other woman that you have ever seen before in your life. And let's say that you made love to her passionately on your honeymoon, and she was everything that you ever wanted in a woman sexually. Now, let's say that, through some form of REAL magic, a wizard changed her sex organs from a vagina to a penis with testicles--but everything else about her was EXACTLY the same. She's the exact same woman as before (even with female chromosomes), but with a fully functional cock! THAT'S the she-male porn fantasy for straight guys. They're turned on more by a concept than by the actual she-males themselves. It's more of a mind-fuck than anything else.

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I never saw The Crying Game, but do remember that it was very well received by critics in general. I do plan to rent that movie now.

Once, a few years back, I did see a real-life hermaphrodite on a television talk show. This person looked and sounded just like a woman, but with the genitalia of both a man and a woman (her sex organs were not shown). I found the person very sexually attractive as a woman.

Here are two questions that I would pose to myself:

1 - Would I have sex with a very beautiful and feminine she-male? Answer: NO.

2 - Would I have sex with that hermaphrodite that I saw on that television show? Answer: MAYBE. The reason that I might do it is that this situation would be the closest realization of the fantasy.

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I have viewed lots of porn. I have seen a few TGirl/She-Male movies. The only thing I can add to the conversation would be to explain what I like/dislike about this genre:

Likes:
I can admire how "passable" a select few of these individuals are, and I prefer to keep the "feminized" view of TGirl/She-Male movies - i.e. the TGirl/She-Male does not perform any "male acts" on biological males. TGirl/She-Male on biological female action.

Dislikes: (In order)
The TGirl/She-Male's penis is larger than the male participant's penis.

TGirl/She-Male's dodging cum shots, some of them leaning their heads back so far to get away from the semen they look like they are going to dispense a PEZ candy.

Ugly and/or non-passable TGirl/She-Males - i.e. five-o-clock shadow, big muscles, square jaw, etc. At least eighty percent of TGirl/She-Males fall into this category.

TGirl/She-Male receiving oral from/penetrating a male participant (i.e. "gay action") - IMHO if you are going to watch this action you might as well go ahead and rent a full-bore homosexual movie.

I have found the following series meet my criteria in descending order from best to worst:

-Sluts with Nuts (no "gay action" at all, most passable TGirl/She-Males, and some really cute genetic females)
-Transexual Hearbreakers (limited "gay action", good quality)
-Rogue Adventures 1-8 (limited "gay action", good mix of acceptable and ick)
-Sunshine (very hit and miss, some actual "gay action" between two males, some frankenstein monsters, but an occasional diamond in the rough)
-Rogue Adventures 9+ (series seemed to switch toward more "gay action" and some of the participants were getting scary looking)

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