These aren't things that I would initiate in real life. I can understand how some women might enjoy it, and if they do then I'm fine with that. I'm not so enthused about them doing it for the money, though.
So, basically, if it is believable that the woman is into it then I'm fine with watching it. Otherwise ->> FF.
i love it when a girl is doing the spitting/slapping/chocking to another girl / guy.
when it's done by guys - i hate it.
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conquistador Deactivated User
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Posted - Apr 18 2007 : 1:57PM
I dislike spitting, choking and slapping. And I have no clue who started it. But as with all things involving the human body and things humans can do to each other it has probably been around for a *very* long time, even if only in fantasies and imaginings.
I love the spitting but I HATE the slapping. It bothers me that these two acts are always lumped together. I wish that more movies would have spitting but minus the rough play.
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579 Posts 4/05
Posted - Apr 18 2007 : 4:02PM
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Yeah, seing a guy spit on a girl is just degrading and unsexy.
Seing a girl spit on a guy or another girl is hot.
Khan Tusions Hellfire Sex 2 had a great scene involving Mellisa Lauren,Sandra Romain and Julie Night who is just amazing in my eyes..scene involves Julie getting spat on choked,breasts roughly slapped etc..Julie Night is just awesome and seems to really get off on the rough treatment..hey even Katja Kassen is in the movie.excellent.
Slapping.... of course ass slapping can be real hot. I have tried breast slapping and got a real positive response. I guess its all in the timing. Playful firm slaps...
i love it, my g/f loves it. ppl like it all around, if they do it, they like it, if they watch it, they like it. for ppl dat don't, just don't do it or watch it. simple. if some1 says they don't like it, why start questioning the thing perse!? i mean, if ur interested in it, it means ur kinda curious about it. try it ppl, just try new stuff and then maybe decide if u like it or not instead of blatantly going "nope,don like it".
Spitting I can do without, unless it's strategically placed, like during oral sex. I love choking, as long as the girl's not being injured (a firm grip on the throat is hot). Slapping is cool with me too, as long as it's a careful spanking to the face (or any other part of the body), and as long as the girl is getting fucked well and proper during it. I dig rough sex in movies, particularly when it's combined with generous pleasure for the girl, and done with a reverent, woman-loving attitude. I get off on the contradiction.
Max (Hardcore) Steiner started it back in the early 90's. The first excessive drool/spit came in a scene with a porn queen named Paige Carlson. The slapping started with a petite latina whose one word name escapes me. Steiner, Stagliano, Randy Detroit, and Rodney Moore are the pioneers of all you see in porn today.
Agree, contradiction is erotic. I've been with a number of women who want the rough treatment. But spitting seems so stupid to me. Like something an 8 year old would think of. M to F or the other way, it's wood killing. Choking, slapping, all fine if done in the right way.
Slapping some Phat ass is cool. But slapping some girl's face while f*cking her is foul. Spitting on her face or in her mouth seem degrading, even if she digs it.
Jewel is definitely not a stranger to that kind of stuff. You should check out Forced Entry from Extreme Associates. A lot of slapping, spitting, choking by Michael Stefano (then Luciano). Another movie also from Extreme Associates is the first Cocktails (even though the scene with Jewel is not as hard as some others).
Jewel also did very intense scene with Rocco in Animal Trainer 15. Rocco is my favourite director and this scene is my personal favourite. I think they both enjoyed each other very much in that scene.
I wonder what Jewel thinks about this scene and Rocco's "way to love" in particular.
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I'm unofficially Beauty Dior's #1 Fan 736 Posts 9/06
Posted - Apr 21 2007 : 11:19PM
You only like with certain actors? I'm confused on that one.
actually I find it appalling I can't understand where porn is going to some days ago I was watching a scene with one of my favourites , Trinity Post, from No Swallowing Allowed 11 at one point other than slapping her ass and directing the scene one of the performers suddenly violently spitted on her face almost in her mouth she got surprised and stopped for an instant then cointinued , I shut off my player.
So what about the women on this forum who actually like it? Are they angry at themselves?
There are some people who make this sort of porn who don't know what they're doing/are just fumbling around in the dark. They're only doing it because it sells. That's unfortunate. There are real, live women who actually do like it. What of them? Should they stop doing it because some people don't like it? Some people like seeing it and some people like doing it. And they get paid as well. Everybody wins.
According to Laurie Cameron Fan's post, it doesn't sound as if Trinity knew that she was going to be spit on during her scene. Now, you may say, 'Big deal, where's the harm?' Well, if we want to believe that performers are in control, that they are doing all these sex acts with full knowledge and consent, then how do we reconcile that with Trinity being surprised by some dude spitting on her?
How do we interpret the incident making it into the final cut? Is this an aberration or just one of many examples of directors abusing the talents' trust? Is it so common that the director and editor didn't even notice there might be a problem?
If producers aren't at least getting general agreement from all the performers on what is going to happen before a scene starts then I don't think 'everybody wins.'
How do we know this wasn't planned off camera? We must assume that if we see something like this and we continue to see the same woman working with the same people, she wasn't all that upset by it.
And besides that, what does that have to do with my post? I commented that some women like it. And they do. Some women have posted in this very thread stating that they like it. Why is it that the fact that there are women who love it is basically ignored whenever this comes up?
Of course there are women who don't like it. And if they don't like it then they shouldn't do it. And if they didn't agree to do that kind of a scene beforehand, then they should take whatever course of action is open to them in order to make sure it doesn't happen again. There are directors who will respect the limits of the talent. It isn't as if they have nowhere else to go. Nobody HAS to work with Max or whoever it is.
Of course it's wrong for an actor or a director to just come out of the blue with a rough scene if it wasn't agreed upon or even discussed. I haven't heard anybody say any different. The poster I was responding to stated that there was a lot of hatred towards women on this thread. I don't see where that poster is getting that. That's a pretty narrow view of a fantasy that occurs probably just as often among females as it does among males. If this fantasy comes from hatred towards women, do the women who have these fantasies hate women as well? What about the ones who want to be dominated and abused? Who do they hate? Themselves? I'm sure some would argue that very thing. But even if they do, don't they have a right to their fantasies? That's all I was trying to say.
We don't I said I had the impression she didn't know what was going on but she seemed surprised when the spitting occurred but after this brief instant she continued the scene ,there were no cut so she accepted after all , my point is that after that scene it was truly clear that there were no fun just a deal , a powerful turn off. I know that a movie is a deal between all those in the scene but they're supposed to at least act as they're having fun which with unprogrammed mistreatment could be very hard to show.
Anyway I don't like desrespect and to me spitting in someone face IS a form of despise at least it seemed so in that scene
what i do not accept is that something like spitting, slapping, etc. would be done without the aproval and pre talk about it. everything should be talked before the scene and for me it is very important that the woman like and get excited with degrading and rough sex. if the girl does not like that kind of sex it usually ends with a shitty scene and not strokable material at all. i love pornstars that really love and get hot and excited with really filthy, dirty , nasty & rough sex and that shows on screen and those are the best scenes.
I like some spitting, specially if is the girl who's doing it, and some slapping, no too mucho. If the girl can deep throat is always better than chocking, but some chocking is OK anyway.
We don't know. However, it seems an odd thing to agree to. What would be the point of acting surprised?
As for her continuing to work with the same people meaning she wasn't all that upset, I don't think that has anything to do with the point I am making.
What point are you making? I believe I have thoroughly explained what I was trying to say. But I fail to see what you're trying to say. I agreed with you that whatever goes on in a scene should be discussed beforehand.
It doesn't matter to me if she was not all that upset by it because what matters to me is the honesty of the director in dealing with the cast and the nature of their performances. If a director is manipulating the female cast then I have a problem. If he, or she, is telling the woman she's going to be doing one thing and telling the man to do something else to her then I have a problem.
The fact that the woman may have shrugged off the incident is beside the point.
To reinforce the fantasy aspect, perhaps? I've seen "surprise" in creampie, anal, deepthroat, facials, oral creampies, etc for well over a decade now. Some performers are quite good at "acting" surprised, others aren't. It's also possible she knew (and agreed to) being spat upon but had no idea when it would occur during the shoot and therefore you got a genuine look of surprise when it happened.
This is the fundamental issue with porn. It's fantasy. So when we get upset over something (and we all have our respective buttons), how do we know we are upset over something genuine or just being played by the fantasy?
"Bait and Switch" is not acceptable in the business world and shouldn't be acceptable in porn either. I agree if the performer didn't give clearance for the act ahead of time, and was coerced into doing so during the shooting, that's wrong. But the ability to say "no" should still be in place. If it's not....it's rape and/or assault and battery.
Housekeeper, The (Belessa Films) - review by Danielmayu33216
Posted - Apr 18 2007 : 10:54AM
