Block's most exotic theory, however, involves the dreaded Malaysian art of "the vibrating palm ." In this, a practitioner of the art can convert internal energy into resonating vibrations and, through a mere touch, cause a victim's death at a predetermined future time. According to Black Belt magazine, these vibrations can be transmitted "through the hand to the victim's body cavity," where "they systematically disrupt blood flow and lung structure." Block adds, parenthetically, that Lee had "strange broken blood vessels in his lungs" at the time of his death.
One of the four incidents of the local police (the only in which the victim survived) had the victim suffer from major internal bleeding in the lungs, this being the major concern in his stabilization and healing. It was reported that some bear-like police officer was kneeling on the victims chest. But the broken vessels were a direct cause (due to low oxygen, AFAIK), different to the esoteric "palm of time-delayed death" myths.
Anyway, I see my best friend's Sandra Russo look-a-like lover, who is a police officer, in a different angle since then, even though she wears "porn-star wear", high-heel boots/shoes, mini-skirts and navel-free tops as a civilian.
Sorry, it's in my head, i have never typed that list down. And i almost only remember those guys, girls and companies when i see them in covers. And it works.
Total turn-off for me here. I just wish it was noted on the covers or something so it'd be easier to spot.
We're not talking facials vs swallowing here, it's basically rough sex and crossing that line from Sex>violence (even consensual) is something that companies should mark out. As a positive, they can treat is as advertising for those who like that kind of act.
But I rarely even watch porn anymore anyway these days. I find it's easier to buy porn then to actually bother to watch it..
Being a HUGE martial arts fan I can tell you with confidence that Bruce Lee died of an allergic reaction to some form (I don't remember which) of medication that he took himself.
I like it. As long as those participating are consenting adults, and both know when to stop, then I think it's fine. I find it a huge turn on to see a girl choke on a huge cock. I also like a more 'regular' blowjob, but throatjobs are hugely appealing to me.
I'm new to watching porn so was interested in the "Great Choking Debate". Resting one hand on a girls upper chest with one hand loosely around her neck is NOT choking. The universal sign of real choking is the victim raises both of their hands to their throat, and has an expression of anxiety, or panic on their face. They also cannot speak.
There are some companies who probably really choke the girl, like Max Hardcore. But hell, he would probably de-capitate the actress if it would sell his DVD's.
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I don't like the choking at all. I love hardcore action as much as the next guy, but I hate the choking. I understand that there are some viewers and performers who are into this. I just wish they would keep the choking to lines that are specifically focused on rough sex. I have no problem with Brandon Iron's lines. You know what you are getting when you pick up the DVD. I just hate when you are checkin out the latest 'Straight to the A' or 'Up your ass' title and they are choking and spitting constantly. It really takes away from it for me.
Will somebody please point me to a recent title from a mainstream gonzo studio where there is "choking and spitting constantly"? Because I would like to see it.
I watch a whole hell of a lot of movies from companies on the Chocolate_Crusader's "Shit List" but I just don't see the choking and spitting going on with that much regularity. Choking usually consists of a guy's hand somewhere in the vicinity of the girl's neck, lightly. I've never seen anything where I felt like the girl was getting strangled.
Please, point me to examples of scenes where this kind of stuff occurs with great frequency. I'm not referring to Max Hardcore, Slap Happy, or anything that is obviously "rough sex" themed.
Please point to specific, concrete examples in recent gonzo movies where you personally felt as if the girl in question was in danger.
1. The "Nose Pinch" ala Rocco & Nacho with male member blocking airway - fast forward
2. the ATM "taste your ass slut" "oooh ya - I WANT to taste my ass!!" stuff - sorry but no girl not picking up a stack of benjamins is going to deal with that - for me it's just a reminder that this is staged. FF
3. The "let's make her gape for days" with 20 "insert - withdraw-spread-hold for camera zoom 1-2-3-4-5...) while the look on her face = a clock ticking....is it 420 yet?
4. dirty talk - a lot of girls seem to be overdoing it in the vocal department "fuck my tight little ass - ooh ya - you like that?" 20 times...just dial it back a notch...a genuine sigh ONCE is better than 20 minutes of "fuck YA! fuck me with that big hard cock in my little tight pussy"
Or maybe I'm just a porn burnout. Take with a (few) grains of salt...
Let the buyer determine the market, there's just no other way to answer this. Choking is a fetish, is legal and sells, so label it and then let it live or die on it's own.
There really are several girls who not only are O.K. with choking but that have done it off camera just to push themselves for a thrill. This is fact, is well known by industry folks and has been readily admitted on other sites. So, just because you think it's abusive or degrading or offensive doesn't mean that it is. If a girl get's herself into a situation like this and goes past what she intended to and get's emotionally hurt, how is that any different than a girl who feels the same way during a hard bj scene or anal or whatever?
The bottom line is that if it's legal and everyone agrees to it before hand, then let it go. Just because someone whines about how they didn't like a work experience or product from a porn shoot doesn't mean that anything needs to be changed. Those people just need to find other work or buy different product. Hell, I hate McDonalds and I think they are destroying the health of millions both directly and indirectly, but I don't tell them what to cook and how they should cook it!!
& if a chick or two actually dies or ends up retarded, well, that's whore-racing, right? This post should be re-read after the inevitable "accident" happens. There have been incidents outside of porn where just such a "mishap" has occured, & the partner in question was prosecuted to the full extent of the law. How do you think a judge will view such an occurence in what is legally a workplace environment?
Mod: Relax on the thinly veiled insults, Tinaka. thanks.
On a personal level, I agree with everything Unicorn said there. The choking, etc is sprinkled into too many titles these days, along with ATM and so forth. I don't want to see it, with the result that I've stopped buying porn and rarely even bother to watch what I have anymore. Mark Davis used to be a decent performer, but now his name is a form of warning label to me.
I checked one of the new Jules Jordan trailers (invasian 2) off the EA site the other day and it was endless ATM.. /yawn. Circus tricks for the checklist. A shame, since Jules is a talented director, but endless staged ATM is just boring and offputting. - net effect? I'm not even interested in checking his other trailers anymore, let alone buying any of his product.
Posts like Hillary Scotts' way above I always take with a bucketfull of salt. It's certainly possible she does really love it, but anyone with a product/image to sell gets my skepticism on points like these. To me, It's like a versin of "I always orgasm on set." ..possible, but I'll hold my own opinion of dubiousness until I know you personally.
Ah well. It saves me a lot of money I spend elsewhere nowadays.
The porn fans want increasingly more, more, more! They seem to want to see rough sex (slapping, choking, spitting, painful anal sex, and infection ridden acts like ATM_ATP_etc). To sell DVD's, producers have to show what the fans want, so light slapping and "show" choking are part of the sex scene. Has anyone asked a female performer IF she was being CHOKED or if it was for "show" only.Ask the male performer IF he ever actually tightened his hand of the girls throat. REAL choking is very dangerous (ask CSI) but "show" choking gives the allusion without the danger, and the average porn consumer is satisfied.
I think if you asked Khan or Brandon, they'd tell you "show" choking is not what they do. You could also ask Melissa Lauren, Ashley blue and a few others to get the girl's perspective. When a chick falls out or pukes from this stuff, it's pretty hard to say it's for "show".
I definitely agree with you there. I'm thinking of RoccoSiffredi, Nacho Vidal, TT Boy. They do not appear to be actually choking, but are known for being "rough".
I apologise Green-toke. I think choking should stop, but really, not alot in porn is necessary is it. I was gonna change my comment at the time but it was after 5am and i was too tired.
From my perspective, even the mere suggestion of possible asphyxiation is extremely anti-erotic.
Five of my family members died short-of-breath. Both grandmothers contracted pneumonia. A beloved great aunt had emphysema. One grandfather and my mother died of cancers that metastasized to the lungs. I sat with my grandpa and my mom on the last day of their lives. I listened to their belabored breathing while they were in comas.
There are few sounds on earth as disturbing as that. I have no wish to ever hear anything else remotely like it again.
from my native-English speaking perspective, it appears that dac is being sarcastic/ironic in his comments, and not serious about calling it "whore-racing". Especially in light of his full post.
I'm getting all choked up just thinking about the wonderful "re-education sessions" I've had with some wayward moths who got too close to the flame. (I kid, I kid!!)
Remember the Hustler saying, "Relax, it's just sex."
Nah, it's Sex with strangling. Just as eating a burger while fucking would be sex with a whopper.
The "let the market decide" , or "it wouldn't sell if there wasn't a demand for it" defenses are deeply flawed. I'm guessing there's also a demand for pedo crap as well. Would Brandon Iron be trying to cater to that market as well if the law allowed it?
I have no problem with any of the products I produce. You shouldn't either. The trouble with some people is that they attempt to assuage thier own guilt with their own sex issues by saving people who aren't asking to be saved. They think that because they get offended by something that it must be inherently wrong. Bullshit.
Excuse me for disagreeing. I hate any type of self-righteous, hell-bent-on-censorship wacko worse than any woman who took a check for the pleasure of getting roughed up.
Who cares what some people who are seeking to assuage their guilt might or might not think. Let them try and save those who can't be saved if that pleases them. Personally I'm offended by the cheapness of most porn product but that doesn't necessarily make me want to ban it. And I notice you've neatly side stepped my question and failed to refute the implication. Interesting.
You tell me not to have any problems with the product you produce, yet offer no reason why. Why why why? Again, exactly the same "ingenious" defense could be offered by a pedo or any other kind of whack job. Please come up with something better.
I know, but even in horse racing people more or less care about the horses. There is even a vet present for lege artis delivering of the coup de grace.
Anyway, can we all leave these ethical and moral ramblings and cut through to important things like placing bets in the death lottery, please.
Where can I place my bets on who is gonna be the next/first life-long health care dependant brain-damaged porn star due to choking? If I bet on brain-damage and the porn star dies is this considered as lethal brain-damage, so I am entitled to collect my winnings also?
What are the pornstars with currently good odds for contracting HIV. I hear Jenna Jameson is not likely to get HIV soon, do you know some stars who have better odds.
How many euro/dollar do you usually spend when visiting your local bookie?
Lee: Get real, man. I don't produce pedophillic-themed movies. All women in my movies are portrayed as being of legal age. Stop trying to stir things up. It makes you look argumentative and insecure with legal sex productions.
I don't have to justify my movies to naysayers like you. You want to pick them apart to save you from looking in the mirror and not liking what you see.
I gather there is a lot of stuff that happens "in the moment" during a porn shoot that gets edited about because distribs won't carry it or there will be a shitstorm of complaints. These are things that directors themselves are not orchestrating. Stuff does kind of happen. And as long as it is consensual, as it might be off-camera, consumers can choose to not rent or purchase or steal or peek at it. I'm not aware that there is rampant choking and strangling going on. I certainly don't see it -- maybe two scenes out of 100s I've watched this year. Probably, if it does happen, it's because the performers themselves decided they enjoyed it, and it's probably left out in the edit room.
Maybe some talent will offer more accurate info, but also most of what seems to pass for choking does not look like real choking. I could totally be wrong. Anyone with first-hand data please come and correct me.
I am getting a little too steamed up here. Time to call someone and do a little manual neck size test. I ideally like a nice, tight 10" twig neck. Will check back later....
Touche, cobalt. I like your idea about paying tribute to me. Leave offerings at front door of Platinum X and the Gods will be appeased. Please, no paper bags containing dog poop lit on fire.
Me too. I'm waiting for the scene where Kat and Leah are double blowing a cock and their braces get locked together with the cock between their mouths, or somehow stuck there, too. The Penis Fly Trap!
Please oh Mighty Brandon, Lord of Loads, make it happen!
I was just getting on the phone to book the girls when my Hewlett Packard calculator returned a 0.0009798% chance of the scene offending someone here. Better not. Don't want to end up on anyone else's list. Sorry!
