Gotta go squeeze my old lady's neck a little while I bang her. Ya'll have fun.

(Apologies to whomever, whatever.)

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Hey, grab a couple trailer park honeys by the scruff and haul 'em down to the Panhandle ... I'll be there next week!

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Incidentally it is illegal to sell footage of these strangulation games in my country, so far from being "insecure with legal sex acts" I'm looking at your money spinner from a totally different vantage point. Your "I don't have to justify my movies" comment is very revealing.

Back to the smoothing over from adult's favourite set visitor...

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Are there some specific scenes or titles directed by Brandon that feature choking? And by that I mean actual choking?

Or is this a rhetorical discussion?

Edited by - skronker on 8/24/2005 3:13:54 AM

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Specifics are a pointless game, since ideas are the only thing really worth discussion. Please don't fall into the trap of playing with anecdotes. The strangling defense that "the market demands it" has been refuted, but no subsequent argument has been offered. Maybe there isn't one...

Edited by - Lee O on 8/24/2005 4:46:24 AM

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Facts support opinions. Otherwise, you're just popping your jawbone.

I'm just saying, where are these strangling videos?

Edited by - skronker on 8/24/2005 5:05:09 AM

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You're doing more than just yapping on here?! Congrats to you.

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I think it's fucked up (a personal taste) and extremely dangerous (in a broader sense).

What this means is that since I don't like it, I don't buy it. If you want to do this, as long as it's clearly marked on the boxcover so I don't have to see it, go for it . There are worse things happening in the world today for me to get upset over.

However, I am also a social Darwinist at heart, so if someone is stupid enough (sorry, claiming naievette is no defence) to agree to get choked, and dies or gets brain damage, then it's no skin off my nose. They took the risk and get to live (or not) with the consequences. The same applies to the choker, whether it's you or anyone else.

Turn up the INXS cd next time you do a scene, and give old Michael an on-screen salute for me, Brandon

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Edited by - AztecGold11 on 8/25/2005 7:27:21 PM

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What I'm trying to do, since it's a thread about choking scenes, is to have anyone provide a shortlist of these scenes from any recent porn films as an example of the trend.

I don't know what is anecdotal about that, in fact it is statistical.

When posters go on campaigns against this or that, but offer scarces examples, it doesn't do much for their argument. If you want to argue about cream pies, that makes a lot more sense because it's easy to list titles and performers involved. The choking issue seems like a non-issue to me because I really don't know of many examples of it -- if anything you WON'T see much of it because it's the sort of thing distributors don't like. And if it does happens, produces tend to edit the stuff out. That's all I'm saying. If you want to debate its merits as a sex practice, fine. But as no one seems to have any clue of which titles contain this act (other than Lazenby's one citation), I'll just presume this is a "sex talk" topic that's been misplaced.

I'm surprised Luke and AC Cream haven't jumped in. This is right up their alley

Edited by - skronker on 8/24/2005 1:02:36 PM

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Again, I have to ask, is "the market demands it" really the only play your boy's gonna pull? That one's already been dismissed. Lets have something better. The follow up of "I don't have a problem with it so neither should anyone else" was just laughable.

Where's Meinhagen or <shameless> or even Druber when you need them, with their inner beauty radiating for all to see. They could come and take over from you...

Edited by - Lee O on 8/24/2005 1:35:45 PM

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The Whore Next Door (Platinum X Pictures)
Joey Silvera's Service Animals 18

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Edited by - skronker on 8/24/2005 2:12:45 PM

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Once more incase you didn't see it in the previous posts - no anecdotal evidence please. It shows nothing except that chocking exists, which we already knew. Thank you.

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Edited by - skronker on 8/24/2005 7:07:32 PM

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Edited by - RLD Fiend on 8/24/2005 7:40:05 PM

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Really, truly, since that time I can't think if any scenes that involve real choking. A lot of what there is looks to be more for "show." Perhaps that is anecdotal. I would hope someone might enlighten us with a first-hand commentary on their experiences in such scenes. Then we might actually get somewhere.

I don't watch nearly the porn that RLD Fiend does.

I just think there are far worse things to argue about in regard to performer safety (cream pies, etc.). And that's why I think it's more of a sex talk topic: YogaDame does a much better job of convincing me it's a dangerous practice, Lee, because she cites scientific/medical data that is FACTUAL. I'm not gonna listen to rhetoric. Sorry.

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As for you, you sorry yeller dog, you stand me up again and yer dead to me. Ya hear me? Deader'n hell. Deader'n ..

..oh would you listen to that?

It's the Reverend Horton Heat on the Bose 601s!

I've got a sixer in me and I love you all right about now. Yes, I do. I love you enough to choke the shit out of you while I give you the stars and stripes forever.

But I won't hurt none of you too bad, no... I'd never hurt you. Gimme some sugar, baby.

Ah...that's nice. That's soooo nice.

Cobalt loves you.

Be good to each other. Have fun. Be safe. Make good porn. It ain't too much to ask. It's really not.

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This topic will always re-surface but it only requires people to step outside themselves and imagine that there are people in the world with different sexual fetishes. For example, I will never understand the appeal of gay sex anymore then most of you will understand the appeal of choking in porn. The people who practice this stuff on film or at home are adults who know that they will go to prison and get raped in the ass if they accidentally go to far and harm or kill someone. The person on the receiving end knows that it could mean their life if it gets out of control. It will not stop no matter how much bitching anyone does since it is a real fetish that both men and women enjoy exploring... so stop wasting your time. Your welcome Brandon for my help in defending what you do for a living... I personally have no problem with it as long as no one actually gets hurt.

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I think this is best left to the film makers themselves. When I see a movie that keeps this sort of stuff out of the mix then I'm going to let everyone know it. People who hate it can support that project and let the market drive the content.

In the meantime boards like this one help producers gauge how many people love this stuff and how many people hate it.

Both sides need to speak up and let producers know what they are looking for and keep forced censorship out of it.

Just my 2 cents....

LATE

Rog

Rog Reviews

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TLTycoon, I'm sorry you have such a negative body image. Hopefully one of these girls will convince you there's nothing wrong with your ass - unless there really is something wrong of course!

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Edited by - T.L.Tycoon on 8/25/2005 6:59:21 AM

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For what it's worth, I actually agree with green-toke in the following sense. I think it'd be very difficult to ban this type of activity, and I'm not even advocating that it should be banned. As stated in the article, most people who practice paraphilias are very attached to their means of sexual gratification. Mostly, I'm just expressing frustration about repeatedly witnessing certain acts in porn and feeling mildly traumatized by them. It doesn't seem like I should have to shield myself by reading several reviews beforehand, just to prevent exposure to very unpleasant visuals by accident. But I do. Earlier this week, I was watching a movie from an unfamiliar studio. It initially gave no indication that it would move into something rough. But it did.

Violet Blue, the author of The Ultimate Guide to Adult Videos, wrote a recent commentary on the BDSM trend in porn over the last few years. She's been a professional porn reviewer for eight years, so I tend to trust her familiarity with the subject, and her perspective.
"Putting Rough Porn in Context"

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The old adage of "don't watch it if you don't like it" has become increasingly difficult with avoiding choking if you intend watching any American gonzo at all. Shane's World were recommended to me by MLyons as a great studio with a healthy respect for their women. Guess I just picked out the one title which abandoned that philosophy... :(

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This doesn't mean that some women have been forced/coerced/manipulated into doing degrading things. It certainly can happen. But, non-consent is not a prerequisite.

I enjoy a lot of degrading sex acts in my private life, but, none have ever been forced upon me. A lot of times, I have begged and pleaded for such acts to be done to me by men who just weren't down for the program. And that was cool, because I respected their boundaries.

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Do these acts you enjoy really lower your self respect? If not they probably aren't truly degrading. At least, not for you. Which was why I was amazed TLTycoon thought his ass would be degrading to a girl.

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However, I do admire your concern for the performers' health and agree with many of your points. I myself will no longer shoot cream pies, no matter if they're vaginal or anal, and I let everyone around me know my feelings about shooting such acts. I have spoken to other directors and studio heads, asking them to reconsider shooting cream pies. I have also stopped shooting people being choked out.

If your intent is to gain as much support as possible, maybe you should rethink your approach. You are pushing a lot of potential supporters aside with your attitude.

I wish you the best of luck in your endeavors, and again, admire your intentions.

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Edited by - skronker on 8/25/2005 3:02:01 PM

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I'm glad you don't shoot anal (or vag) cream pies anymore, and that you've spoken to people about stopping what looks to be an unnecessarily dangerous practice. Please know however that I hold out no hope - none whatsoever - of convincing any of the long time supporters of this act to change their views. It's fun to argue with some of the more outlandish analogies, and that in turn helps to bump the thread and keep up the likelihood of other forum readers (lurkers I guess) seeing some information they may have not have previously been in possession of. Maybe they will take that information on board, and maybe they won't. That's the best I can hope for.

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Someone define moderate. As in pressure, as in beliefs, as in politics. If we all practiced moderation, what a boring place this would be.

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don't care whether the girl is happy to do it not. can't remember the last time a saw a pretty girl and thought "I'd love to choke her".

ENOUGH!!!

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