p.s. do you get turned on by been spitted on?, it is nasty and make the woman look really slutty.

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THE FEDS CAN'T STOP THE SIGNAL!

HACK THE PLANET!

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I don't buy the oft repeated rationalization that "it's all an act". If your 'act' involves hurling emotional abuse at a helpless 18 year old untill she's downright hysterical, you can take your 'act' and shove it up your demented ass. And I say this as a big proponent of consentual rough sex.

His scenes have little to do with sex. They are basically his way of dealing with some rather transparent issues. If you've ever heard this poor fuck speak you can pretty much imagine his life story. A guy growing up with a daffy duck voice and a speech impediment will have about as much luck attracting women as a dwarf with cerebral palsy.

Meatholes, like the Rough Sex series before it, is nothing more than the neighborhood gimp working out a lifetime of humiliaton and rejection dealt to him by the opposite sex.

A very telling instance was an early meatholes scene I saw with Arianna Jolie. He started with his usual abuse but apparently she was used to it. She kept smiling and even complimenting him at a point where the other girls usually start tearing up or at least get a little tense. Once he realized she wasn't cracking, he grabbed her by the neck and started yelling at her with his voice clearly shaking with anger. Then he got up and left the room with Arianna now visibly shaken up.

I guess I'm just not wounded enough to see the erotic value of watching girls with spit on their face fight tears as some dickhead with a lisp plays head games with them.

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Usually I dislike such "armchair psychoanalyst" kind of talk. But I must say you make a pretty strong case.

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What goes on in the mind is significantly more impactful than what goes on in the groin.

All the quotes is designed to serve on purpose: to market the site. Nothing more, nothing less. And if you don't like the product, don't fucking watch it. How simple is this? And, how pathetic is it when people want to lambaste the site after watching full clips of the product. Not everybody is honest about the fact they may have jerked off to a scene because it's too easy to be the 'moral' guy and write how 'shocked' they were.

I was there during the initial shoots where they were probably significanly more brutal than they were in the latter days of Meatholes. To a tea, Khan let them know what they were going to do. I also took them to a room alone and explained and showed clips just to make sure. It isn't something we rammed down the girl's throats without letting them know what they were in for.

Just in the past week, I've shot several girls. The first thing I recently asked Kat (for Anabolic's Penetrations line) was what kind of scene she would like. She told me she wanted the roughest, aggressive scene possible. Same with Nadia Styles, same with Jeannie Marie, same with Melissa Lauren in the past, and recently the same with Kelly Wells. In fact Kelly Wells told me if she isn't in full on submission mode, she gets bored with the sex. Shit, some girls want a goofy scene, I'll concoct it. Often times, I let the girl determine what kind of scene because the last kind of scene I want is the same old, Naughty America-type crap.

Maybe this is all a byproduct of what happened in the past, but as a director, I'm going to try to get the best scene that they want and I want.

All this moral prostelytizing smacks of so much 'oh poor little girls' that it becomes an exercise in hypocrisy. Don't like it? Don't watch it! Don't like it and then watch it and then cry about it? Something tells me you busted a nut on yourself and felt guilty.

Chico Wang

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But your reasoning for this is confusing. So what your saying is that what goes on in the mind is more powerful than physically right? And its pretty clear that women are being mentally abused in a lot of Khan's films. Just because the quotes are designed to "market" the site doesn't justify it. Most of these people here aren't mad because Khan might be enjoying humiliating women but more that its even happening.
Meatholes is the holy of shock value, period. Its been said earlier in this thread and I cannot agree with it more. Rough sex is all good and dandy but the line between rough sex and practically filmed rape is being blurred here. Faces of the death is extremely popular for the main fact of curiousity in humans. The dark side of us is somehow interested in things of a darker nature, main reason why scary movie's are a hit. But does that actually mean that say someone ENJOYS seeing a man kill himself. Does someone who heard about meatholes and goes to it because they are in fact purely curious ENJOY it when they see women cry? I would say probably not.
I don't speak for the entire population but it is not in my taste to watch women get abused in such a extreme nature. For that I most likely will not buy Khan's product anymore.

I'm no porn film-maker or anything but I would put a pretty large bet on the reasoning why shock value porn such as meatholes being so popular is mostly just on curiousity not on people enjoying it. So you have more people going to see something outragous and the site makes more money, thus more female talent ask for rough scenes.
sorry for the long post and not letting this thread "die".

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Meatholes is all shock value and, trust me, the girl can say the codeword "STOP" anytime and can the scene.

Regardless, it is clear that Khan has a very successful site and that's because it's been marketed that way. The name MEATHOLES sticks to your head ... in a relatively short period of time.

I watch it and generally I'm amused by it. I know what happened before, during breaks and after. I can't tell you how many times a girl was so lovey dovey after a scene, then goes to her compatriots and act like she was forced which goes against everything everyone there witnessed.

It is a site that hits the core of a segment of porno buyers that hate the usual, boring in-out. You simply don't have to join if you don't like it. Now isn't that a novel concept.

I have a pretty damn good reputation with all the agents in the biz for having a fun set and paying very well. The girls chose to be at Meatholes. They were briefed on what they were going to do. They were told how to stop it like is done on all sets. Even Ariana told me what a great time she had than some robotic double anal scene she did regularly during the time.

It's all marketing and the way the scenes are chopped up. Meatholes is no exception to that rule.

Chico

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If your 'act' involves hurling emotional abuse at a helpless 18 year old untill she's downright hysterical, you can take your 'act' and shove it up your demented ass.

You can't pretend to not know what kind of girls you're dealing with. These aren't 40 year old NASA scientists. Most of them wouldn't be sitting on your couch if they weren't naive, desperate, or victimized to begin with. Telling them doesn't mean shit. If most of these girls could make sound decisions you would have never met them in the first place.

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Taryn is a very close friend of mine. She may not have had the greatest time over at Meatholes but I think she told me she did it cause she wanted to fuck Everhard. If it was as outrageous as you make it seem, perhaps you should ask Everhard. I wasn't there at all that day (though I was scheduled to shoot it).

Unfortunately, sometimes Khan's cult of personality ends up making some girls regret shooting for Meatholes long after they did it. Remember, they regret it weeks after they did it. I'm not sure of Taryn's situation but I can guarantee that if I shot her in the same vein, she wouldn't regret it at all because sometimes we play for the camera.

I've seen shoots at other companies much worse than the Meatholes shoots.

You obviously like rough sex. Maybe you should get a toned down version like SweetLoads. lol.

Chico

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Flesheater, here is a link to the Forum Etiquette. We don't tell others to shove things up demented asses.

Cool it and tone down your posts, quickly.

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Art is often defined as something that elicits an emotional response. Your vitriolic supposed hatred of Khan Tusion is obviously deeply rooted in your blistering emotional attacks on him.

I can't speak for the scenes I wasn't there for. What you don't see is all the behind the scenes during the scene where we take a break and ask if everything is cool. Even in my mellow scenes for video, I do the same thing. It would give you a different perspective on things. I know Khan very well. You don't. A huge portion of this is marketing. And I'll be the first person to say that he's the benchmark of unique pornography I've seen in a world of cookie cutter crap.

Ask those dozens of directors who decided to affiliate themselves with MeatCash and their offshoots. If he was so evil, I doubt they would've participated.

Don't watch it if you don't like it. Something tells me you do and yes I will shove it up my ass because it feels sooooo gooood.

Chico

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Your repeated attempts to misuse the term 'unique' to euphemize that crap, is like a chef putting dog shit in his spaghetti and claiming it must be good because it's different. Abusing the helpless is not ok- and is sure as hell not erotic- even if you're kind enough to tell them beforehand!

If your buddy can sleep at night knowing he mentally rapes desperate teenagers for money, good for him. Just don't expect those of us who are not quite as fucked up to not say anything.

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Just because you're 18 and "legal" doesn't mean you're playing with all your marbles, nor does it mean you're immune to being manipulated by middle aged smut peddlers.

Physical and emotional assault, with the recipient in visible distress, cannot be excused. Period. Sorry if that sounds patronizing!

Edited by - flesheater on 12/26/2005 7:01:00 AM

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I'm glad you feel empathy for these girls who are 'tricked' into doing Meatholes. But here's a little secret: There is practically a line around the block of girls who want to do it simply because they pay damn well.

Think about it. Meatholes pays well. Girls want high pay. Girls do meatholes. And these girls are consenting adults and they know exactly what they're doing.

You can play savior all day and night, flesheater, until you're blue in the face.

And yes, even you have the ability to choose whether or not to watch and jerk off to this material.

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fleshbeater would do well to read what Taryn said at the time about her shoot. She didn't claim Kahn was some monster and in fact blamed her then-agent (before Spiegler) for booking her without really considering if she was up for that sort of scene or not, much less preparing her for it.

It's possible to wonder if the psychological stress performers go through to make a MeatHoles is so great that such things should not be attempted. I would counter that the physical stress and risk that performers go through with an "ordinary" double-anal creampie train the fans are so fond of is much worse. You can't just say "I don't care if her ass falls out but I want to be sure that her feelings aren't hurt." A MeatHoles scene is not the worst abuse the girls go through in porn.

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I have better things to do. I just did a 2 minute quickie with Kara Bare, a young girl I took advantage of minutes ago. She told me to squeal like a pig and she called me grandma. Now I feel cheap and am in a sobbering mess.

Enjoy!

Chico

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I'm gonna try that "make me squeal like a pig and call me grandma" trick on the porn babes in Vegas. Hot!

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Edited by - hardware on 1/11/2006 6:56:31 PM

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First off, anybody that is for any form of censorship, can bite off.

My personal view: I love meatholes. The scenes are fantastic, artistic, and they envoke something serious. I get off seeing women abused because I have issues with females. I know that and I admit it. The violence, sex, the mental breakdown is simply euphoric. It is intereting to watch and it gets "real." Its not like some cheesy big budget jenna jameson film that puts me to sleep and leaves my dck limp. It thrills, it entertains, and it reminds us of what really goes on in porno.

Khan Tusion is showing us a segment of our society that exists. What you people want to do is "censor" it, board it up, and forget that: young girls with screwed up lives travel to california to lick buttholes for a living. And just as these girls are "in emotion pain," so is Khan Tusion. Judging by his films, he enjoys (or at least tolerates) the mental abuse of the females; perhaps from the mental abuse he has suffered in his own life.

Khan Tusion isn't the problem. He is merely a reflection of the society that craves the product. We need to look at things on a deeper level to truly solve the problem.

Maybe, we as a society should look at ways of fostering programs early on in school that can raise childrens self esteem; to prevent little girls from growing old and traveling to cali to shoot meatholes, and also prevent little boys growing up like me and jacking it to Khan's films.

But censorship and ignoring the problem NEVER solve anything.

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Edited to add that refusing to contribute to his problem and the sites that cater to it is also perfectly legitimate.

Edited by - hardware on 2/8/2006 1:58:43 AM

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The fact that Khan is a mentally ill waste of oxygen is pretty much a given. I don't see how the problem would be solved by enabling him to make a career out of it.

Edited by - flesheater on 2/8/2006 9:18:37 AM

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You are too quick to label people "doochebags" and the like. Smells very Self righteous. I guess you are so much better then the rest of us. You are such a morally admirable human being and we should all look to you for inspiration. You'll be floating in heaven one day while we all burn in hell....

OR....

Maybe, you've just led a different life then Khan Tusion and others "douchebags." MAYBE, if you had led a similiar kind of life Khan Tusion had, YOU'D BE DOING THE EXACT SAME THING. Maybe if you were teased, tortured and humiliated by the opposite sex for numerous years, you'd get off on humiliation films. And maybe, if you showed sympathy and kindness towards these individuals instead of retribution and hatred, these individuals wouldn't be that f'd up. Deep down, we're all searching for love.

On the fact that Khan chooses his behavior---
CHOICE is an illusion my friend. Human behavior is not "chosen" but is caused by environmental and genetic factors. (mentioning child porn-> many molestors were molested themselves as children)

I Didn't "choose" to beat off to Khan's films. But that's what happens when you mix my psychological complex with females (over the course of environmental experiences in my life)and one day, surfing kazaa and coming across one of Khan's films.

You've lead a different life with different experiences (and different genetics), so you don't find khan's films appealing. You are certainly entitled to your opinion and I don't expect you to "like" the films.

But censoring things is a problem. If ignorance is bliss, then wipe the smile from my face.

-me

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Where we differ, is that you seem to suggest that just because there is a reason for sociopathic behavior, then the behavior is justified; that personal choice is somehow an "illusion"'! This last part is just garden variety looney left mumbo jumbo. We all make choices every day. It's always easier to give in and choose what's convenient, what is gratifying at someone else's expense, rather than what's right. Just because some of us gleefully pick the worse option doesn't mean the choice never existed.

Edited by - flesheater on 2/9/2006 6:44:10 AM

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Hate to get all philosophical, but what is choice?

Scientifically speaking, the laws of the entire universe are governed by cause and effect: human beings as no exception. Thereby, human behavior, altough seemingly a choice, it is really just an illusion.

Khan is incapable of choosing another way, just as I am. Unless certain factors come into play to shape our behavior for the better and allow us to change. But censorship and retribution aren't those factors.

Your example about beating a homeless guy to death. I agree that people shouldn't be allowed to beat up a homeless person. But I dont condemn those people. I believe they need just as much help as the homeless victim.

peace-

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