I'm on the record as saying I prefer no tattoos. But there is a lot of things I don't "get" and there is also my personal taste, which is just that, personal taste. That doesn't mean I think these things are necessarily negatives. There are only a few things that are turnoffs for me regardless of context and tattoos are not one of them. I've been a fan of you since the late 90s and I loved the way you looked back then, and I love the way you look now. The hair took a bit of time getting used to but I think you are much cuter now with your (real?) color :) . The tattoos will probably be the same way but I enjoy watching you so much that they will not at all make you any less attractive. I hope to see many good scenes from you in the future. :)
skin removal....sounds intersting. i watched my friend do some tattoos at a pretty famous guy's shop (don't wanna drop the name here and get her in trouble for having his name mentioned on a porn site) and it was really cool. she's going to redo my thumbs next wednesday so i'm excited. yay. i think you know whose shop i'm talking about Adrenalynn...i believe we've discussed that before. Anyways...tattoos are cool. Yaaay.
Wow! HeroinJuggernaut is either the bravest guy in the forum or a raving lunatic -- I'm not sure which. I myself don't like tattoos either, and I briefly thought about posting on the subject here. But the thought of the 'incoming fire' my post would have likely drawn dissuaded me from any such ruminations. I realize that for everything I find unappealing someone else finds it absolutely indispensable. To be clear, I don't find small, unobtrusive tattoos a 'turn off'. Juli Ashton's teddy bear comes to mind. But some porn babes seem to on a mission to become 'tatted-up' from head to toe. What's with all the tats on the small of the back, shoulders, down the legs, etc? Since I 'vote with my wallet' I have started checking out the cast list on any porn I intend to buy on IAFD and looking at the comments on tattoos, piercings, etc. Too many tats == 'no sale'. Edited by - badkarma on 12/6/2008 12:28:23 AM
@ kylie ireland - My opposition to tattoos is certainly not intended to be mean spirited or anything like that. And the one you have in that photo certainly isn't obnoxious looking. It's just a thing with me. It's the same as it would be if you didn't like men with hair on their backs or men who smoke or men with beards. It's just a turn off to me. I can't help it. I don't know why. I never decided I was going to be turned off by tattoos. It would be a lot easier for me if I loved them.
I'm beating a dead horse already and I know that, but come on man! Porn stars are not there to "serve" anyone, men, women, or anyone else. They are paid performers and actors. I like how you also know how "we men" feel about the subject. I find GOOD tattoos on attractive women very nice sometimes. It's not a must but it's certainly not a turnoff in the least. Tramp stamps and tribal tattoos? I find those bad, but if someone wants to do that to them self why should I say no? Trust me, I'm a man.
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Posted - Dec 6 2008 : 3:31AM
Note to Zoid: I will be back in a couple days when I have enough time to answer your questions correctly... promise. :) Adrenalynn: you were a different kind of contract girl...you weren't like the fluffy, never-mess-up-the-makeup, don't-touch-me-when-we-aren't-fucking-kind that I was referring to. :)
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Posted - Dec 6 2008 : 3:38AM
[/quote] JohnW wrote: I've been a fan of you since the late 90s and I loved the way you looked back then, and I love the way you look now. The hair took a bit of time getting used to but I think you are much cuter now with your (real?) color :) . The tattoos will probably be the same way but I enjoy watching you so much that they will not at all make you any less attractive. I hope to see many good scenes from you in the future. :) [/quote] JohnW: Thank you for your kind words. I have found that many of my fans have followed my career and my changes, be they my hair, new ink or learning to embrace my inner dirty filthy whore. I think that is really cool that we have all kind of grown and evolved together. But I am sentimental that way. You will continue to see good scenes from me, at least if I have it my way. Oh, and yes, I am naturally a redhead. My hair is really more of a deep dark brunette red, so I bump up the color a bit to be brighter on camera. But when I was in high school I had glasses, braces, freckles and red hair...something had to go, I was way too geeky...so I bleached the hair and got contacts. I prefer the red, it's much more natural looking than the blonde. Edited by - kylie ireland on 12/6/2008 3:57:46 AM
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Posted - Dec 6 2008 : 3:45AM
SexyHard - you are sweet...you know, I took that photo of myself in a mirror in the bathroom while on a set (I have this "thing" about self photography, I think it comes from being an only child), the soft focus is only because I had to turn off the flash and I moved a bit...see there, giving away my photography secrets. I have an enitre photo album on myspace of my self photos: [ invalid url ]
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Posted - Dec 6 2008 : 3:51AM
NHRN: Here ya go. (As long as I am posting links to stuff) I started an album on myspace when I began getting the new ink. You can see it from the beginning and from all angles. There are some sexy shots in the 'My Photos' and 'Me Photographing Me' albums as well. [ invalid url ] Okay, enough self promotion for tonight....
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Posted - Dec 14 2008 : 6:28PM
I saw a picture of you wearing glasses next to a blow-up of the issue of Sexposay with you and Michael Jordan. You were (as usual) quite beautiful in that picture. Julie Night, Trinity Post, Lexi Lamour and Nina Hartley all also wear glasses off camera, IIRC, and they are all that more hot for it. On the topic of this thread, it depends on the woman in question. Jezebelle Bond, Adrianna Nicole, Lorelei Lee, Mz. Berlin and Melissa Lauren all have tattoos, and they are all incredibly hot. Kylie has her new (this year) arm tattoo, and it is truly a work of art, well thought-out and well executed. Those flowers show her sense of classiness. On the other hand, Tila Tequila and every other college broad has a tattoo, and on them, it just reinforces their skankiness. Edited by - Ibrox on 12/14/2008 7:22:51 PM
Kylie: thanks for the link, I just now noticed it. Beautiful work, both in concept and execution. Congrats again! BadKarma, RandomPrecision, you guys are being totally cool about the fact that tattoos are a turn off for you. Y'all's posts make sense. People have tastes and aesthetic preferences and that's cool, it's why variety is good. It's when people act like the OP that they deserve the kind of drubbing he got here.
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Posted - Dec 16 2008 : 7:29PM
I didn't read all the posts, but I will say it all depends really. Joanna Angel still looks hot to me regardless of the tattoos. But when Jenna Jameson got hers done on her legs, that didn't do much for me. I find that if a woman inks up her body too much, it to me becomes a turn off. Maybe because I have no tattoos?
i think tattoos can be fun or trashy and over done. i mean some tattoos are really a work of art! i have scene some beautiful artwork.... but when its all over the place its a bit much. i have 4 and they are small, not crazy crawling up my arms and down my back.... and they are in places that can be hidden. neck, wrist, foot, lower back.... i guess i just appreciate it to some degree bc alot of it is just gorgeous artwork. anyone can appreciate it just from a creative artistic point of view right? "im the girl your mother warned you about"
I don't like tats on women either. To me, there is nothing better than beautiful skin. Nothing wrong with natural. That goes for tits too. No hating here. Just my humble (big dick) opinion. lol. Edited by - skyscrapper on 12/17/2008 11:13:32 AM
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Posted - Dec 17 2008 : 3:59PM
no tattoos started in prison. they would tattoo their bitches so they wouldnt get lost.
Wrong. Tattooing in the "modern" sense started in the 1700's, and tattoos in general can be traced back near FIVE THOUSAND YEARS.
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Posted - Dec 17 2008 : 4:26PM
Oh the humanity!! problem is that there is a large number of men that dont like tattoos and 97% of all pornstars have them. thats the problem and just because we tolorate (to an extent) the tatoos we still prefer you not having them. as you can see about half the people here prefered no tats. Edited by - HeroinJuggernaut on 12/17/2008 4:29:32 PM
[/quote] Oh the humanity!! problem is that there is a large number of men that dont like tattoos and 97% of all pornstars have them. thats the problem and just because we tolorate (to an extent) the tatoos we still prefer you not having them. as you can see about half the people here prefered no tats. [/quote] 97% of all pornstars have them? How did you ascertain this particular figure? What was your sampling population? Moreover, if you meant to say that half of the people here are not down with tattoos, then you should be aware the your use of "we" in the previous sentence implies that you are speaking for everyone as a whole. In such a case, your opinion does not reflect mine.
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Posted - Dec 17 2008 : 7:22PM
HJ, a couple of points. Tattoos may have started in prison, but it is no longer just inmates who have them. George Schultz, Ronald Reagan's second Secretary of State, has a tattoo of a tiger on his ass. You might want to google "Golden Age of Hardcore," and join a paysite that comes up. There is less of a chance you will find an actress with a tattoo over there. There is also this site: guanranteedtattoofreebabes.com
I'm trying to remember the first box cover girl I saw that DIDN'T have her tats airbrushed out of the pic. I think it was Joanna, but I could be wrong. Edited by - cm37564 on 12/17/2008 7:27:14 PM
Well after four pages, I think a clear majority of posters do not like tattoos. Can this be generalized to all men? Yes, the 'market' for women with tattoos is more limited (and this is reflected by a lack of major 'tattoo titles'). Anywho, I think the problem with tattoos are that the 'best' ones are done for very personal reasons. That said, the vast majority of tattoos are 'statements'. The problem with statement tattoos is that they age very, very poorly and even when new look like an ad you put on your body. I personally would prefer women without tattoos (or makeup for that matter). I find them 'distracting'. Gianna is _super_hot_ and I love watching her work, but don't really need to see that big tattoo on her back, I want to see the lines and bumps that mother-nature gave you. Didn't Zero Tolerance used to advertise that their 'brand' had Zero Tolerance for girls with tattoos?
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Posted - Dec 17 2008 : 9:59PM
I am not so sure. It depends if the "nay" posters on this thread are a representative sample of all men, something that would be rather difficult to verify to any empirical degree of reliability.
Perhaps no one got to it yet? Or no one thought about it yet? I am agnostic on this issue. As I said above, tattoos work on some women, and they do not work on others. However, I have to agree with Kylie in that this is the girl's choice in the end. Speaking as a male, the ladies of the adult entertainment industry amuse and entertain me. I am not going to begrudge their right to have ink if it pleases them.
you know im coming to realize that you guys really think we should do everything for our fans and nothing for our selves.... example- breast implants shouldnt be done bc "fans" dont like them, you forget to think about what makes the girl happy. next, tattoos- girls should get them bc its not what the fans wanna see.... again the girl should be encouraged to do awhat makes her happy... i can list so many girls i know outside of porn that have a tat or 2 and arent trashy or damaged goods. this isnt the 1950's where getting tats is looked down upon, however when someone chooses to get one they should put some thought into what they get before hand "im the girl your mother warned you about"
>I am not so sure. It depends if the "nay" posters on this thread are a representative sample of all men, something that would be rather difficult to verify to any empirical degree of reliability. Yes and no, yes that the sample is not statistically correct, but is it directionally correct (majority of men don't prefer tattoos).
>you know im coming to realize that you guys really think we should do everything for our fans and nothing for our selves.... Hmm,while I could understand how you would feel that way, I think you are taking it too personally. That said, if you want to 'market' yourself to the masses, it would seem that tattoos would reduce your 'addressable market'(fan base). It seems that the overriding opinion is that "men don't like tattoos but accept them as part of 'porn'". And then their's Angel Long (who is great BTW) but that Tasmanian devil on her butt...
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Posted - Dec 18 2008 : 4:51PM
Well, I am not sure how empirically reliable being "directionally correct" is. I have a feeling, though, that being "directionally correct" would be insufficient for getting something published in a peer-reviewed scientific journal, as well as for getting grant money to start a study to start with. Belladonna is heavily tattoed. So is Jezebelle Bond. If most men truly did not like tattoos, then how do you explain Belladonna and Jezebelle's popularity?
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Posted - Dec 18 2008 : 4:56PM
I have a feeling this might change in the next decade or so. If you got to just about any college campus in the spring or summer sessions, you will see that most of the broads have some kind of tattoo. While, for some of us older lads, tattoos on women are a novelty, the younger generation will have grown up with this, and, to them, a tattoo on a woman will be no different from a nose on a woman. There is also the fact that Kylie Ireland has not seen any slump in her work after she got her ink.
Here's an interesting poll on tattoos. Out of all surveyed adults (USA) 14% have one or more tattoo. Looking at the age groups, however: age 18-24: 9% age 25-29: 32% (almost one third) age 30-39: 25% Apparently, 16% are unhappy about their ink, but only 6% of those actually go through laser removal. Interestingly, another study suggest that out of those people who choose to laser it off, 69% are women. (more...) People with ink: 31% feels that tattoos made them more sexy. 36% feels rebellious. People without ink: - 6% thinks that people with tattoos are more sexy; 39% thinks they are less sexy; 55% doesn't give a fuck. - 4% thinks that people with tattoos are more attractive; 47% thinks they are less attractive; 49% doesn't give a fuck (I am not sure what the difference is between attractive and sexy in this context)
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Posted - Dec 18 2008 : 7:17PM
Today you are more rebellious if you do not have ink anywhere. (You can replace ink with holes driven through your skin in the preceding sentence and it would still be accurate.)
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Posted - Dec 18 2008 : 7:37PM
So, if my math is correct, this poll reports that 61% of untattooed people do not think that having a tattoo makes one "less sexy," and 53% of untattooed people do not think that tattoos make one "less attractive."
I am not sure either. However, I have the feeling that they defined "sexy" as "I want to madly fuck and then forget this person in a one-hour stand," whereas they defined "attractive," as "Wow! He/she sounds/looks like a wonderful person. I would like to have a relationship with him/her."
I dislike tattoos. On men or women. I will never get one unless someone puts me in a camp and forces it on me. That being said, I ignore them when I am looking at someone who has them. I mentally edit them out of my image of the person. If you asked me what tattoo someone had that I had just seen ten minutes ago, I would probably not be able to tell you, unless it was so remarkable that I had been completely unable to ignore it. I do this in person. I do this when watching porn. Mental photoshop. I guess if I had been answering those survey questions I would have been one of the people saying they were less attractive, and less sexy, but the human reality is that if someone I'm attracted to (or find sexy) happens to have tattoos I will just ignore them. I guess it's sort of like ignoring any other physical 'flaw', like stretch marks, or a scar, or a disproportionate nose, or thinning hair or whatever.
Yes and no. 'Yes' that the sample is not statistically correct, but also 'yes' in that one can reasonably interpolate trends in the general public, based on data we have at hand(this thread). Also, don't use the 'five nines' excuse, that's for bureaucrats. If I asked you 'yes' or 'no' "do men like women without tattoos better?" and you had to answer immediately what would the answer be? Yes, there are major stars who have tattoos, but I challenge you to point to one that would look _worse_ without their tattoos. I mean, Julia Bond has those 'paw prints' on her boobs. Does that make her look better? No, it is distracting because instead of focusing on Julia's tight body, I am mentally asking myself "why would someone tattoo paw-prints on their boobs, wasn't Eve the first 'celeb' to come out with that, does Julia associate with Eve?" I particularly do not like those 'tats right above the vagina, instead of focusing on hot sex I am thinking "what does that thing say? why would you get a tattoo there?, wouldn't that hurt?, why don't I know these type of women?" Anyway - I tend to do the 'mental photoshopping' (I like that term) to smaller tattoos. Big ones I try not to focus on (because I have ADD) and shoulder ones drive me crazy(because you can't not notice them. Ramble, ramble, ramble......
Don't confuse cyclic fads to 'long lasting' social change. Who here can guess how much of a decline in business those who inked 'barbed wire/tire tracks' have had over the last five years?