"Pornography: That which excites, whether from approval or disapproval." ~ Leonard Rossite 2350 Posts 12/17
Posted - Feb 28 2020 : 1:45PM
The only people who would honestly complain about OnlyFans ruining the porn industry are the hypocrites who want to continue enjoy a product they have no intention of ever paying for. You'd be hard pressed to find any porn fan these days who isn't guilty of watching stuff for free, the idea of OnlyFans is taking the power back and getting you to pay. I don't fault anyone for trying to make a living.
^ The only people? That's something of an oversimplification. What about those who pay for DVDs or bargain hunters who pay by legitimate means but don't consider OF or MV to be worth their money.
I doubt the demographic of those who complain about such platforms is as black and white as you seem to imply.
Well, I don't know about you, but the minute someone likes one of my Tweets or FB posts, I immediately thank them and then we become good friends, texting, etc etc.
Getting you to pay for what? A false promise? Getting you to pay for an advertised scene(with no details/previews) which turns out to be a 2 minute clip with bad quality and lighting, which btw you only get to after going through several paywalls which weren't mentioned before you were brought in to purchase said scene?
Bringing up money is the worst possible defense for Onlyfans. Your argument makes no sense in any way. People who are used to paying a 30 dollar a month subscription which usually means getting access to a massive library of scenes, will be the FIRST people who are angered by a platform which scams you into paying that type of money for literally 1% of the content you would get through conventional porn sites.
I've got no issues with OF. If you're getting paid for your content then I ain't mad at ya. I've never subscribed to any of it though because there aren't any previews. I'm not much of a gambler so I need to know what exactly I'm paying for before buying in. I feel like it's all good if you're really into any particular starlet & you just want to support them financially regardless of whether or not the performer is offering quality videos. I think that the only way OF would affect the adult industry negatively would be if all the major studios/websites started to adopt the "you can't see any of what we offer unless you pay first" business plan. Where in the world outside of porn is this ever acceptable to consumers?
^But it's okay in porn, because as people indicated other places here, fans should be grateful the performer is providing content, and it's irrelevant what the quality is.
If you don't want to pay for OF, then don't pay it. Just don't presume that it's taking away porn production gigs when it's not. The performers need it to supplement their income in between the infrequent shoots they have. This is no different than their dance tours or whatever else they do on the side to make money.
I have only dabbled with only fans. There are two performers that I maintain OF subscriptions (Casey Calvert, Charlotte Sartre). They each have a different model, Charlotte provides all her OF content for the monthly fee, Casey has a lower monthly fee provides a small amount of included content and sells a lot of additional scenes. At the end of the day both work for me because of the performer and my overall appreciation of what they do. While both have done/do relatively extreme scenes for kink and LP, etc, their OF content is edgier than what is available on the other subscription sites. I find value in that.
The industry is not dead, it is only changing forms. I think onlyfans is not a bad thing.
I predict the big directors are going to have to align themselves with whats hot in the internet streets.
......and whats hot right now are the performers and couples on chaturbate, manyvids, onlyfans, etc. (who are doing big numbers)
Although the new talents are thriving on these new platforms, they dont have access to the resources that can take them to the next level (i.e. "the machine"), and thats the one thing the directors have access to ("the machine").
I think cross collaborative projects between both parties can revolutionize the industry, in addition to being very profitable.
For example, it would be cool to see a Jules Jordan movie with a bonus scene from a well known couple from Camsoda.
On a sidenote, I would love to pay for onlyfans, but I dont know whats up with their payment processor. i tried 5 different credit cards and all were declined for no reason.
OF would not be growing like this if they did business in an honest way. Otherwise it would just be another manyvids, clips4sale etc. Maybe slightly more popular, but that's it. It wouldn't be hurting the porn industry if it was an even playing field but not everybody is honest in this life. The question is, how long will the scam last untill people start getting fed up. It's been going for a while now though which shows that porn produces the most thirsty and naive men on the planet.
People are willing to throw a ton of money on twitch streamers who do cam girl stuff without any actual nudity, so they also happily pay for overpriced low quality onlyfans videos. Hopefully they wise up soon.
I genuinely don't quite understand why anyone would be willing to shell out such an extoritante amount for the low quality crap on OnlyFans, the whole pricing structure for shit like that is out of wack and has been for years even for sites like C4S and Manyvids. Expensive 'scenes' shot by an amateur with a mobile phone.
You'll also find there's a legion of these performers who charge a subscription fee, which is fine, then make the majority of the content locked behind another paywall, only offering preview clips as a way to promote the content.
The biggest issue I have with the shitfest of a site is the page layout is awful. It's a gloryfied hardcore Twitter feed, for the performers who do post lots of content, even on the best of browsers trying to view all the stream of pictures and videos will bog your PC down trying to load it into memory. Chrome seems to handle it best, but even that struggles when there are thousands of posts.
^Probably done on purpose. They want to avoid clarity so that they can keep luring the thirsty consumers in. By making it a mysterious mess with only glimpses and false promises you can keep the scam going.
My issue with Onlyfans is the sense of entitlement that some females get. I really dislike the idea of a girl talking to you thinking that she deserves a tip for doing that. She post something, I might make a comment and if there's no response I'm not sweating it. I do fully understand that this is a business and ultimately we do not know each other so what's the difference to me if you don't comment back. I once subscribed to a certain performer's OnlyFan & would buy a scene every one in awhile. However, one day when I made a comment that I still thought was a lighthearted joke (I included Ha Ha at the end), she responded with how I don't respect her and how I never tip her. My reply was "that was not my intent" and I cancelled my membership. You get enough drama in real life from females and I wasn't going to bother with it in this make believe world. The funny thing is that I still buy this performer's scenes from other sites.
^You may not have even been talking to that performer anyway. How do we know it's them? Once again, the mystery of OF.
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Jackbrown74 Deactivated User
355 Posts 10/17
Posted - Mar 8 2020 : 2:12PM
OF used to have downloads they removed it
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hashphish Deactivated User
2465 Posts 7/08
Posted - Mar 8 2020 : 6:47PM
There are some girls who believe a person should give a tip if they like a pay per view video or something girls post on their feed. They want to offset the percentage that Onlyfans takes from them I read. If I purchase a video on top of the monthly subscription I don't want to be asked to tip. Not every girl believes that a person is required to tip her after they subscribe though. I subscribe to 8 solid performer accounts and only one time did someone ask me why didn't I tip after I purchased a $30 video package. If more girls ever were to pester me about tipping after I pay their monthly subscription on a site that has more issues than any I have ever seen before I would cancel everything and just give my money to Kink, Brazzers, or Bangbros. I mean for 2 days the site goes down and no compensation or anything, the streaming is horrible as fuck, and vids are about 5-45 seconds if you choose the wrong performer, good luck with 4K HD viewing.
^Can't really blame them for hustling. You can always move on to another performer or another site. It kinda makes sense to ask for tips if you have already proven yourself a decent guy who is enough interested to purchase her vids. You might be a obsessed fan, or so-so fan, or committed fan, or just a passing video buyer. She has no way of knowing you'd be offended by being asked for a tip.
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hashphish Deactivated User
2465 Posts 7/08
Posted - Mar 8 2020 : 8:17PM
It is that it will turn some people off if asked for tips or feel like they are pressured to tip.
From what I've seen of onlyfans, before I can even see what a chick is offering I need to bust out the wallet crap.
The content they post is random and completely up to them. Yeah some may pump out good scenes regularly, but the majority are infrequent and short. Crap
The camera quality of many of them seems to be 640 capped at 20 fps and the lighting is horrible. The girls also get kinda lackadaisical and treat it like a hobby. They start the cam with bed head and no makeup and a limp dicked boyfriend who happened to be around.
To be blunt the quality I've seen from onlyfans has been overpriced bullshit for the most part.
Can this be good for the models themselves? Probably
But anyone thinking this is good for the porn watchers needs to get their fucking heads checked out cause its not. Tons of hot girls doing this onlyfans shit is bad for anyone who likes viewing porn. Lots of good newcomers only do it to get a base then stop doing actual scenes so they can do 97 second clips in bed.
Edited by - amazlied on 3/8/2020 8:30:14 PM
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icequeen Deactivated User
163 Posts 10/17
Posted - Mar 9 2020 : 12:56AM
only fans is a different level of what am I even paying for. I've subscribed to three big names in a month charging from 15-30$ for the subscription. already higher than a 2-3 month subscription to a decent porn site. and what do you get? lackluster nudes, 1-2min clips. and maybe 15 posts in a month. and them a load of dm's offering you the chance to pay 10$-25$ for full scenes which range between 7min to 15min. mainly why I stick to manyvids now in terms of getting that bts or casual porn from some reliable performers. you just feel robbed after an only fans subscription. and some girls don't even have their post count showing. so you just dropped 24$ on what could be 9 posts. and they could all be previews for extensive content that you have to pay an additional charge for. but porns become all about exploitation right? so why not extort the fans. I got no problem paying for content. I just hate getting gipped. and it's not like you can see reviews of the girls only fans either to know if they're decent or not. it's just bad business since they end up killing their fanbase that could have been a great support base. if anything. I wish there was a way to crows fund your favorite performers or at least vote which performers you'd like to see. even if it was just a twitter poll for which performers would people like to see more of on certain sights. I prodict a few companies are going to fade out as they've still been running the same site format for the last 10-13 years. if anything at least Brazzers has updated their format and actually clock the interactions. on pornfidelty I can see written interviews and the videos have timestamps for each position. yet performers are charging more for only fans with 1-2min each clip. it's just not rational.
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hashphish Deactivated User
2465 Posts 7/08
Posted - Mar 9 2020 : 5:48AM
Yeah, I subscribe to popular girls such as Mia Malkova to an amateurs such as a wife I found on Reddit who posts long home made gang bang videos.
Common sense says the majority of OF content is going to be crap. How? Easy.
Is a performer who has gone through several agencies over their 6 month 10 scene porn career before "self booking" their scenes going to rent or buy a professional level camera to shoot their "exclusive content" or are they going to use their cell?
If a preview isn't available, why would you expect it to be anything but crap?
Reminds me of a strip club in Jersey years ago called Frank's Chicken House. Never went, but I believe they only sold fried chicken. Anyway, every Wednesday, they'd advertise in the local paper the headliner/feature act, and if they had a headshot they'd have it in the ad with the person's name. The funny thing is, if they didn't have the head shot, they words "photo too hot to print" would appear in the box above the girl's name and people would think that the picture was really too hot to print.
I also feel like porn is generally declining. I understand the performers need to make money, and I've dabbled in onlyfans. I dislike my onlyfans experience. I like traditional porn studios and hell, even good nude pics both online and in physical paper mags like Metart, Playboy, Hustler, Cheri, etc. I pay for my porn to hopefully do my part.
I started an OF account last month to support my friends on a rotating basis. I have about 12 right now ranging from $5-8, and I don't feel like I'm being ripped off by any of them. Sure that's about $72 a month but I guess I'm privileged where this is chump change for me. I remember the days of DVDs (4-6 scenes) costing $15-25 each. If you're a fan of someone in particular, then subscribe to their OF. If you're a porn generalist, then keep on subscribing to your favourite site. I don't understand all this bitching because OF is not destroying the demand for your favourite site.
^If you have it to burn than why not but you have to realize that you are the exception. Most of us can't afford to fork over 800$ a year on "OF" content as well the hundreds more on other porn platforms that support significantly more performers.
I'm curious to know for which model you have join their "OF" account and do any of them have actual hardcore content that is more than a couple of minutes long.
At 5-8 dollars each, it's just a matter of scale. I don't expect to do this many every month because I don't have that many friends in the industry.
I won't disclose who I subscribe to for pragmatic reasons. The porn stars all have some longer scenes in their library ranging from whatever they do limitwise in mainstream productions. The camgirls have some longer scenes ranging from solos, gg, or boyfriend sex. The technical qualities of their video production tend to be better than the porn stars. The models who are neither surprise the hell out of me mostly in terms of content.
^It's rather disappointing because without that then your post is mostly useless info that we can't use to make an educate decision. The best I can say is that since you are unwilling to offer any names than I must assume that none of them have any decent content and we should stay clear of all of them. I know some will say that it's only 5$ but I can't think of a single moment in my life where for one second I thought it's only 5$ but I'm glad that there are people like you who are willing to basically waste their money supporting performer's outside the industry endeavors because that money may mean that she will stick around longer. I just can't because I don't have the funds.
Nawww. You shouldn't assume that. I'm not willing to identify who my friends are or who I support (or the converse) on a public forum or to a stranger rather than any critical review of their content.
I'm still impressed about how much profit this girls make in this website. A camgirl I like charges 10$ for hers and she has more than 2000 subscribers, meaning she can potentially make 200k this year in only one of her income sources. It seems like very smart business.
I'll bite. When you say they're you're friends, does that mean you socialize on a regular basis, or does that mean you get a computer generated thank you when your payment clears, does that mean they "liked" you liking one of their tweets, or did you meet them once at a trade show? Given that your handle here clearly is not your real name, and your "friends" also use fake names, what's the big deal? The approach you're taking here is little more than a Facebook exchange like:
Original post: Today is a really dark day, but God knows that I'm strong and can handle whatever he throws at me.
Numerous responses: What's the matter babe, everything ok?
OP: I don't want to talk about it.
So Morbid, if you're not going to mention the actual OF pages you follow, why even bother mentioning? Did you ever think that if one of your friends account is worthwhile and you gave it a plug, maybe they'd get a few more subscribers?
I socialize with them on a semi-regular basis. I see them at trade shows. I see them outside trade shows. I have drinks and food with them when we are in the same city. I photograph them outside of trade shows. I prank text them. We follow each other through non-porn social media.
I don't have any interest in being seen more favorable to one performer or another as a photographer or a reviewer.
MOD: You seriously should have rethought this whole post. Mocking other members who have differing opinions than you is not going to keep your account active for long. Since you've shown you can't handle this thread, why don't you stay out of it.
I can appreciate where you are coming from because you get to do what I suspect many fans would love to do but you must also realize that once you call a performer a friend than you have lost the ability to be objective because you don't see them as we do but as something more personal.
I have, on occasion, subscribed to Casey Calvert's Onlyfans page. Yeah, it's Onlyfans, so you gotta pay. I've spent about a hundred bucks so far, but so far I have not been disappointed. She has a very nice Table of Contents with all the prices and contents of each video listed.
Me, being a dumb old fuck, it took me forever to figure out how to buy a video. It was my first experience with OF. I had to figure out that first you have to put money in the "bank" and then send a "tip" with a message of what exactly you want to buy.. Not to mention, take note here, your bank will put a hold on your bank card until you agree to the purchase. I tried to buy a video with my card, it wouldn't work, kept getting declined, couldn't figure out what the hell was going on, gave up on it. Next day, I went to buy groceries and my card was declined--WTF? Finally, noticed there was a text on my phone asking me if I was indeed trying to make a purchase from OnlyFans. I had to say "yes' to unlock my bank card to buy--anything!!
During all this time I was messaging back and forth with Casey on her OF page trying to figure out all this stuff. She was the nicest, most responsive, wonderful person ever! I'm not kidding, it must've taken me 8 or 10 messages with her to figure out how to send the money to get the videos. Not once did she tell me "You're a stupid old fart" or "Fuck you, just figure it out yourself." or anything like that. She was very very helpful and answered all my messages politely and promptly. She is a full-on class act!! Even before I bought the vids, I was asking her about the quality and the content (I'm not going to pay for some crappy twerking shit recorded on a cell phone.) She assured me the videos I was buying were filmed by a quality camera with professional lighting, directing, etc. I purchased a few and I was not disappointed. Especially the lesbian anal stuff--absolutely 100% lesbian anal lovers stuff--pure jacking material!!....Not going to lie, almost, but not quite, Jay Sinn quality anal stuff!! At least IMHO.
I am a full-on lesbian anal gape porn lover, and Casey has the most beautiful gaping, winking, talented asshole I have ever seen in all my years of porn watching... God, I just LOVE her!! Such a talent act!!! Just messaging back and forth with her, it made me feel like--almost--I knew her personally (even tho I don't). and she called me by my name....yeah, that's trivial, but it still made my cock hard as a rock!!! LOL!
So, in closing, for the most part I don't really care for OF and all the dough it costs and the potential for being ripped off, but Casey Calvert delivers. I am seriously thinking about buying a personal video from her, but that is serious cash, and I can't really think of anything I would want that she hasn't already done.....What, say my name in the video?.. That doesn't interest me. I don't even like my name, I don't want her saying it. LOL! Maybe "Daddy?" LOL!!
Well, that is my take on OnlyFans. Can't vouch for anyone else's OF shit, but as far as Casey Calvert, she's tops in my book..
^I'm glad your experience with Casey was so great and I hope you enjoyed those videos but seeing as Casey has been in the industry for 8 years and that she has over 80 videos with Kink of which at least 27 of them are g/g anal with Casey taking a fist in the ass multiple times. I wonder if any of the stuff you have is comparable.
I believe one of the things performers are going to have to do if they really want to make more money off OF is to start posting stills and previews of scenes they are trying to make additional money off of. I have subscribed to five female stars' OF pages. Each of them has put videos up they want additional money for with a blurred paywall screen, a very inexact description, and no identification of the male talent. I know a sucker is born every minute but are there really that many stupid fanbois ponying up $15 or more to watch scenes for which the only thing they really know is that actress is in it? There's just some male talent I do not want to see, like that moron with the clown face tattooed on his gut and most of the rest of his body covered by irritating ink. I also hate it when they offer half or less of a scene for premium rates.
^I agree that they should but you have to realize that they actually can't because if they do then they can kiss goodbye to their OF page. The current OF business model is predicated on using the hopes of porn fans that their favorite model is going to do stuff that she has never done before or rarely does. If OF content was so amazing than don't you think every single model would be promoting it on every possible platform? Wouldn't every poster on this forum be describing what their money got them? I mean the most consistent poster on the subject seems to be morbid and he is honest in saying that he supports a series of performers because they are friends and not because the content is worth it.
P.T Barnum said almost 200 years ago that a sucker is born every day. I'm willing to believe that there are still enough suckers willing to invest in one of their favorite models OF page in the hope that this time her OF page will be good. I know because I was that sucker 20 years ago. I joined plenty of performers websites in the hope that this time her's would be good. We are talking 20$ a pop at least and I can count on one hand the ones that were and I can afford to lose fingers to get that number. At some point OF will likely die out as the number of return customer and new customer dwindles to an unsustainable level or change their entire business model but we aren't there yet. A sucker is only that after the fact because before that he is a hopeful fan.
The insulting of those who like OnlyFans needs to stop now! And some of you might want to go clean up some of your past posts. Just because you don't like something doesn't mean others can't choose to like it. If you can't be respectful, don't post in the thread.
Dude, stop projecting your thoughts onto what I actually said.The proper inference is that I think each is worth the 5-8 dollars it cost me. I've been consistent in commenting that if people don't think or is suspicious that OF is worth it, then they shouldn't subscribe and stick to other platforms.
The real danger that OF actually poses is that it reduces the accessibility of the performers on social media. I don't know why people feel entitled to that.
^Thank You. That is a very interesting article. I'm curious to know how much of that 100,000$ she winds up after all is said and done because OF already takes 20% and she spends $12,000 a year on professional photographers. It's also very important to point out that she post new content and interacts with her fans 7 days a week.
I don't mind paying some money, especially I like the idea of actually supporting the industry and actresses in this age of tube/free porn. But the content on OF has been lackluster, and I can't get off on it and don't like the idea of supporting that *content.* I would rather the industry see my dollars supporting great scenes, photo sets that actually turn me on, and make more of that. I am glad that people are concerned about supporting the actresses and that part is great. My concern for a long time has been the free porn phenomenon.
Blake Blossom,Crystal Chase,Leana Lovings,Ashlyn Peaks and Santana Ayo are all goddesses 1102 Posts 9/19
Posted - Mar 16 2020 : 5:49PM
I'm not a fan of OF, but i would just like to add my thoughts. With Coronavirus affecting studio shoots and causing them to be cancelled and resheduled, OF has given performers a lifeline, so they can earn money from the safety of thier own home .
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hashphish Deactivated User
2465 Posts 7/08
Posted - Mar 16 2020 : 11:24PM
^^^Well they better hope people being forced to stay home and out of work because of this crisis choose porn over food, water, and toilet paper.
Posted - Feb 27 2020 : 6:45PM
