Is it me or does these acts which are way too common in today videos strike me as borderline gay.
It is a complete turn-off to see to sticks rubbing together, besides the camera angle sucks and you see more male ass than female body.
Why do people like this? Why would this be a fantasy of any man watching porn. I watch to see a hot female(s) get down and dirty, but the site of every 2 guy on 1 girl scene featuring DAP or DVP just kills the scene. It's like when you see one of the male actor's swap spit or kiss the girl after she has been sucking off or rimming the other guy in the scene....GAY.
Maybe these guys work together on every film so much that it's an after thought, like Steve Holmes or Manuel F., but if this trend continues, metrosexuality will be the norm in porn. Please stop!!
mern, I want to watch DAP because it turns the true inner self out of a girl. She might play arousal though pussy-only and even anal, but as soon as it comes to DAP any porno turns into a true documentary. And besides this act is still very scarce in porn. Checking up Pontus' DAGGIE-list, I think less than 10% of current porn actresses do DAP.
You, however, seem so convinced that DAP is gay, I doubt you even want to know why others like what you dont.
To everybody his own. But what really starts to bother me is a new <too much anal/DAP>-discussion getting started each and every week here.
IAFD, supporters of beastiality. Just say no. 7564 Posts 11/02
Posted - Feb 8 2004 : 10:10PM
Compare with all the "does she do anal" and other DAP focused posts, and count yourself lucky you are in the camp that you are in.
Renee said: "I am not Jennifer Lopez, moonlighting here on ADT as a porn fan in cyberspace." (You're not? I want my money back... Whaddayamean, I didn't pay to post on ADT? What about my sanity than?)
I concur Porn Scout. IMHO it's circus antics and nothing more but seeing as how my company is about to release it's first double anal title, maybe I should keep my personal opinion to myself :)
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Posted - Feb 8 2004 : 10:42PM
Aside from the gay issue, which is basically a matter of personal opinion, I just don't think it works visually. I think it's the idea of it that turns people on more than anything else.
When it comes to sex acts, I can pretty much live without double-anything. Gay doesn't enter into it; I'm just single minded - I want to watch a single woman having sex with a single man. Too much man-meat interfers with my view.
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Posted - Feb 8 2004 : 11:51PM
You don't like it, all the more reason to search out reviews and read them so you can find what you want to see. It's out there.
you are right most of the time it doesn't work visually but usually is because the guy holding the camera doesn't have a clue in how to capture such sex acts. Or don't care and he just want the "circus act" out of the way. If the director don't believe in what he is doing, even pussy only won't work visually.
I'm sorry, we didn't mean to annoying you with so much daps/dpps talk and videos. You could try not to read threads with Double Anal on the title or not to watch videos with gay acts but maybe it's to much to ask. We are goin to buy and ask porn producers for what mern likes only. From the botton of our hearts, sorry! ...it won't happen again.
Firstly there's simply not enough double anal or DPP scenes in porn.
Secondly, why all the focus on the 'gay' issue because what you're really saying is that a DP is OK because the guys are only banging their balls together but DAP is 'out' because the dicks are in contact ? I can't see the difference.
As for the 'capture' issue, there are a number of very skilled directors who know how to capture a DAP well ( RLD's Double Anal Plugged) and some directors who are clueless (Rosebud's 2 Deep).
Bottom line is there is enough porn to satisfy everyone and this site will tell you which titles will suit your taste.
The DAP's and DPP's in Space Inavderz and Un-Natural Sex 9 were captured exceptionally well, thanx to the actors in front of the cameras and the experts behind them.
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Posted - Feb 9 2004 : 2:50AM
I don't think of those acts are gay, I also don't think there are that many DVDs with them.
I mean what's the actual percentage of DVDs with DAP or DPP in adult DVD production? It's probably very very low.
Fans of DAP, DPP and other "extreme" fetishes are rather vocal on ADT, but they have the right to express themselves. So if the silent majority is unhappy of seing other subjects negelected, let them post!
Hey, I found a good description about what I was trying to say: Sloths reviews - part: Things I DO like. Keywords for me are and <real expression>. Sloths pain-fetish, however, I would replace by <true compassion> and (hopefully) <joy>. Whatch a Sandra Romain-DAP if you need an example for the latter two.
I'm also attracted to DAP because it's still really a rare act.
IAFD, supporters of beastiality. Just say no. 7564 Posts 11/02
Posted - Feb 9 2004 : 6:19AM
Whatever you are trying to say — and I am absolutely unsure what that is — I am willing to bet you miss my point entirely. Are we only supposed to post about subjects we like? Is that what you are saying? Probably not. See, I am more than likely missing your point as well.
Edited: To get back on-topic. Is DAP and the like gay? Let me answer with an old Bob quote: Bob said: "Your sexual identification (straight/bi/gay) is not determined by the parts of your body that you like to pleasure, but by the gender(s) of the people that you like to pleasure them with."
Is there too much of it? Well, there seems to be too much bad ones, according to some of our in-house specialists. So I guess there are both too many (who has any use for bad ones) and too little (there ought to be more good ones, however that is defined). Bottom line for me is that I don't miss them when they ain't there and if there is one, it better be a good one. But isn't that true for everything?
Steph said: "we have a worldwide problem with religious intolerance. but silencing any religious 'discussion' won't solve it."
Gads, do you really think that having your rectum streched with a boat anchor brings out your 'true inner self'? I hate to break it to you, but the true arousal you're seeing with DAP is just as fake as with any other acts out there. That's why they're paid to do it.
You have an anus. Buy a couple of jumbo dildos, push them up your ass, and see if your true inner self comes out.
Walter, I'm not entirely clear on what Wally is saying, either, but I guess he'll clarify his position shortly. In the meantime, I'd like to make a few observations. These obervations are not challenging anything you've written, Walter, though I do make reference to some of your comments.
Notice that at the end of Mern's initial post that started this thread, he wrote "Please stop!!" Hence, he wasn't merely expressing his dislikes, he was attempting to exert control to make all porn conform to what he likes. Now, contrast that to when someone starts a thread or makes a post asking "Does so-and-so do anal?" There is no attempt to exert control over the porn biz to exclude vag scenes or to try to get porn fans to rent/buy (only) anal movies. As another example, take my own 'DAGGIES' thread. Firstly, recall that in that thread, I stated that I, personally, am not even a fan of double anal (but I do like anal and DPs). Secondly, nowhere in that thread did I attempt to coerce or influence girls into doing double anal, directors into shooting it, or fans into liking or buying it. You'll recall that that thread was almost derailed by Seavus Maximus, who attempted to impose his views on others in a very judgmental way (including, like Mern, suggesting that double anal involving two men and a woman is 'gay').
Perhaps there have been threads in which someone has actually suggested that all porn studios should shoot only anal, double anal, or double vag, but I honestly don't recall ever seeing such a post or thread. Even if they exist, it doesn't seem like they are nearly as common as threads advocating that porn studios stop shooting anal, double anal, or double vag altogether.
Personally, I couldn't care less if people post their likes and dislikes, as long as they don't attempt to make all porn conform only to what they like. The porn biz, especially from a worldwide perspective, is so huge and diverse, that almost no matter what you're into, there is more than ample product available to satisfy your desires.
I would concur that there is too much double anal and double vag. at the moment. Taylor St. Claire is perfection, physically, to me but even I was not too excited during her double vag. scene in "Balls Deep 2." So now that I see Lucy Thai and Missy Monroe and Brianna Blaze and so many others doing it I find myself no more turned on by it then I was when Taylor did it.
As for double anal, I've just never liked it. If you like gaping then you'll love this and I understand that. Gaping just freaks me out for some reason
I don't know, I don't see the big deal, I never thought it was gay. The double anal thing I find intriguing as another way to stretch the ass, which some girls seem fine with discovering (see AssStretchers DVD, with its triple anal scene). Is a simple DP gay? I mean, one guy in the ass, one in the vagina, you can pretty feel the other guy through the thin wall that separates these two passages, what's the difference?
Double vaginal is the ultimate for me but I agree with Walter that its rare to find it well filmed. More often than not one or both dicks is semi-erect and I've never seen the actual penetrations or the withdrawals. What about a double vaginal gangbang where you double up the dicks each time? Off subject slightly - is triple vaginal physically possible?
I'm not into double anal or double vaginal not because I think it's gay (I don't). I'm not into those acts because I think they're too freakish. Not a turn-on for me in any way.
I don't think that it's gay either, to me, if two or three guys are violating a girl, that's just hot. It kinda shows that they are dominating a girl, cause you know that's not comfortable for her, and if it is she is a true slut, and that's hot too.
I have laughed reading theses post. Just my two cents....
I think the underlying issue is a paranoia by some men. I believe there is a genuine fear by some men that they are subliminally being converted gay because they see men interact in a non-violent or sports-men way.
I am female so, I have a different perspective but the reason I like so many European films is because the male performers are not so afraid of male contact. The sex is less rigid.
If you are turned on by the female, focus on the stretching of her ass or vagina. Understand however that women and some men like seeing heterosexual sex that show women and men uninhabited and not paranoid about touching each other.
Some men will only like female solos and lesbian videos. Others will accept a well shot DAP or D.P. To each his or her own.
Sorry, 'twas a joke. Need to add the :) in when typing. Thought it was obvious.
To be honest, the 'gayness' doesn't bother me...pick and choose your tonic. Its guys that act like its the most wonderful thing for the woman-that its the time where she can't fake the tremendous physical passion associated with whatever circus stunt they're on, and they can't understand why 90% of the stars of these movies won't do it.
They won't do it because it hurts. They act like they're enjoying it because they're paid to. If they're telling you its something they really like, they're creating a persona to sell you videos.
Myk
BTW, Easter bunny? No Easter bunny. And if there was, it wouldn't do double anal.
IAFD, supporters of beastiality. Just say no. 7564 Posts 11/02
Posted - Feb 10 2004 : 6:13AM
Isn't that what mern did, though. It seems to me he followed your rule of clicking on the new topic icon and started a thread of his own. He didn't rain on anybody's parade by, say, trying to derail the DAGGIES thread.That goes for all the DAP advocates, when they see a thread with "Too Much Double Anal/Vaginal?" as well, doesn't it. I know there is a difference. Any DAP advocate worth his salt would most certainly be interested in 'protetcting' his stance in such a thread. But, and this was my orginal point, it is 1 thing to protect your view in a discussion; it is another thing to say you don't like this kind of discussion at all, where your view is more or less 'attacked'. This is what Zander was implying, as far as I can tell: he is sick of this kind of discussion. I even had the impression that he was sick of hearing the 'arguments' (very loosely used here, I agree) of the other 'camp'. I just pointed out that the DAP advocates are much louder on ADT than the anti-DAP advocates. Therefor my suggestion to Zander that he imagined himself in the other guy's shoes.I like to believe that I belong to no camp at all, except the camp of good porn lovers (and then, I have always been very careful not to define what I consider 'good' porn, except in a long forgotten thread about 'blissful rupture'; and even then, I hardly said what I really like). I thought this was clear from the on-topic paragraph I aded in my second post in this thread.I strongly disagree with that remark. I am the epitome of laziness.Well, yes it is. I fully agree. But use this as an argument to blow the likes of mern out of the water, instead of saying that he can't say what he is saying.
btw, you are so right that "there is more to porn besides Red Light, Evil Angel and Anabolic".
If that is true, then I guess you shouldn't post anymore about your dislike of the quarter-angle shot. Or about the lack of decent continuity. Ramsey should stop bitching about the male performers he hates (actually, not such a bad idea, after all). And so on... I guess you know what I am saying: it would make ADT a damn boring place, wouldn't it.I feel kinda insulted that you believe otherwise. That is exactly my point, though: the live and let live kind of thing. Why are the DAP advocates allowed to express their liking of the act, while the anti-DAP advocates are not allowed to express their dislike? As you said, "live and let live". And then, you can all 'battle it out' in a healthy discussion. You know, the ones that are both informative and entertaining. Of course, I can smell a rat in this stance (my own, that is, not yours, Wally). It has something to do with what I alluded to some weeks ago in a thread about freedom of speech. Something to do with a philosophical contradiction/catch 22 that can be found at the root of it.
Pontus, you make some good points, most of which have little bearing with what I was trying to say, I do believe.
I agree to a certain degree. You are forgetting that whenever someone asks if so and so does anal, it is very often followed by the expression that they will not buy/rent any of her stuff if she doesn't do anal. That is as much an attempt to influence the porn biz as what mern did or tried to do, although I admit that it is done in a way more reasonable manner. The question that I would like to emphasize, is: "Is it wrong to try to influence the market by posting to ADT, whether it be likes or dislikes?" Well, I must confess that this 'market' aspect of ADT, where often everyone seems to be yelling the loudest to get what they want, is the one aspect that I care very little for, be it consumers yelling for more of act X, or producers yelling that they will provide more of act X. In fact, it has been the main reason why I have stopped posting in the past. I have little to no interest in such a thing at all. I very much prefer to have discussions of a more 'impractical' nature (I guess some of you might call them philosophical), which are all to seldom around here, except in the World News and Nonsense forum . However, the fact that I have no interest in these 'market' games, doesn't mean that they shouldn't be played here. After all, I did came back to ADT.
Edited: There is a very selfish reason why I don't like the 'market games'. I am convinced they are a very big reason for a lot of mediocre porn out there. I know that many here applaud it when a studio 'listens' to the consumers. I can understand from a studio perspective to do this; but not from a 'creator's' perspective. Shoot what you would like to see yourself and maybe, just maybe, you have done it with enough interest to keep my interest. If you are just shooting what you believe that the market wants, you might as well become an accountant, or a rocket scientist. Funny thing is, I believe that arguebly the most succesful company around is based on pornographers , who like what they do and shoot what they like. Go figure.
Hey, it has been a loooong time since I posted something of these "epic proportions". It has brought a tear to my eye. Not of happiness, but because I have been staring at my computer screen for too long.
BillyTalent said: "Market research in porn? You guys are too much..."
DP , DPP , DAP are all the sort of thing I was interested in seeing once , and then never felt the need to view again . Normally scenes which feature these acts spend a deal of time building up to the Double ______ as a supposedly climactic position . This means that anyone can watch the early parts of said scenes and skip the latter . Its not a total wash out .
I feel a little torn about leaving this subject just up to personal choice . It seems likely that someone who gets off on this sex act must have to search high and low for any well shot DP(P/A) footage , so who am I to express displeasure at it's increasing prominence in porn . On the other hand , isn't it possible that the women performing in these scenes are having to endure very real physical pain ? On those grounds it might be worth complaining pretty damned loudly . As usual I don't know nearly enough about this issue to make up my mind . Yet too much to not have some form of opinion .
This is very much my own opinion as well . It seems that some pornographers would like consumers to do their thinking for them . The rest of the time it smells like a shill which tends to leaves a sickly aftertaste . The company you refer to ( and which I think I can guess at ) is the most respected on these boards largely because they don't cram their discs down everyone's throats or appease the latest trends . They let enthused fans ( such as myself ) do that sort of thing if and when they feel moved to do so .I hear ya ! ( not this post obviously ) I'd suggest going outside for a walk but it's pretty damned chilly here in Blighty and I don't imagine it's any better across the channel . Maybe you could go down the pub and drink some of that fine Belgian beer . Is it metric in Belgium ? I've not been there as an adult yet , though France was definitely fully metricated the last time I was there . Ah , the joys of beer when served in a litre glass !
The three form of entertainment that I study to better understand how I want to make porn are dance, sports, and comedy. From sports I understand that the day that running the four minute mile became not good enough was the day some ran a sub-four minute mile. But that still leaves us with comedy and and dance, both of which allow for the possibilty of doing more or less the thing that someone's already done, but doing it differently. As Stravinsky said, "There are still plenty of wonderful melodies that will be written in the key of C major."
Maybe a better sport to study would be tennis . You can have singles and you can have doubles . Doubles is a lot of fun for a hit around , but all the serious action takes place in singles . And no matter how long you've been playing the game there are always new surprises to be had .
I think part of the reason that titles proliferate that offer more circus-like tricks is they're easier to market. If you film 2 people, with good chemistry, sets, and lighting, having really great sex, how do you get that message out on a box cover? If you insert 12 things into 6 girls, all you need is rudimentary division skills to work your angle. Its hard to convince someone of the heat of your product, but easy to explain the blocking. So, rather than making good film, people resort to selling a specific act that people will buy.
Lots of interesting posts on this thread so far. My thoughts on all this have been brewing now for 2 days, but I was busy over on the "Who's had a Caesarean?" thread, so couldn't give this one the proper deference needed for a good reply.
I don't think DAP's are gay, not any more gay than regular DP's. The men are already in such close physical contact, that a move of ½ a centimeter, into the same orifice, makes no difference to me in terms of someone's sexual orientation.
What does matter to me, is the degree of discomfort, or outright pain, that the actress is feeling. When it looks like the sex scene has taken on the aspect of an Olympic endurance trial, that's when I get turned off. I've seen a one or two where the actress looked okay and could handle it (Sandra Romain comes to mind), but the others I've seen just looked like they couldn't wait for that part of the scene to come to an end.
And honestly, I'm puzzled by the fascination with DAP's and DVP's. There does seem to be more threads devoted to this topic lately – whose done them, who hasn't done them, when is she going to do one, she's ripe to do one, etc., etc. And, naturally, the studios are responding. The announcement of Dave Perry doing an all DAP series for Zero Tolerance is on target for this demand. Even in that thread, when Toni Ribas wrote in that Mandy Bright and Viviane La Roche are two of the actresses in the first film, a fan posted that they're already seasoned DAP veterans, so he cannot get too excited about these ladies. The message to studios – you can't just use the 50 women who've already done DAP successfully, you better go out and recruit another 50 women, cause the demand will never let up.
So, now there's the pressure on actresses who haven't done DAP's, to do them. Though that's not without its problems, as Chico Wang is finding out over at Anabolic. As he said, "There's one problem with double anal especially with new dap girls. It's tough to convince them, but once they are willing, it's tough to pull off especially their first time through. I tried to shoot Crystal Ray's first double anal but she was really in pain so I stopped it. I flipped it to another video which I hate doing." So, here's another director who's trying to put out an all DAP title, with women who haven't done it before. All to satify the never-ending demands of certain porn fans.
Of course, someone posted for Chico to please go ahead and release the painful Crystal footage anyway. I suppose that would go on the "Actresses who've had an unsuccessful, unfinished DAP" list.
Now, someone has suggested that if you don't want to watch a DAP or DVP, then read the reviews first and choose carefully. But that's only a partial help; some titles never get reviewed, some reviews aren't that detailed, and at times it's difficult to tell if something is just a regular DP, or a DAP, or a DVP, because of the funny camera angles., and the constantly writhing masses of flesh up on the screen in these shots. So, even if a person wants to avoid these acts, it's not all that easy. Anymore, they seem to come along with regular DP's, which themselves seem to have taken over from plain old anal sex.
The amusing thing to me is that some directors and some porn fans have gotten so focused on the minutiae of these double penetrations, that they can't see the forest for the trees. While there is all this emphasis on how many dicks are in which orifice, for how long and to what depth, and how close can the camera get to the action, there can be some incredible sex taking place that people don't even notice. An example is the first scene in Erik Everhard's Sport Fucking 1, a title that I figured was going to be just one DP/DAP/DVP scene after another.
The first scene is Tera Joy with Erik and Steve Holmes. 5 minutes into the scene, she was moaning, and sometimes moving her body suddenly, like she was feeling something strong. I wasn't sure if this pain was from the anal pounding she was taking from Erik, or if she was having intense orgasms. After another 5 minutes, when the DP started up, it became clear that these were orgasms, when she told the 2 men to fuck her more, that she was coming.
In this 25 minute scene, I counted at least 10 orgasms that Tera had, where she's yelling, her entire body tenses up, and she throws her head back while she had this glazed look in her eyes. The two men were well aware of what was going on - they were actually pretty quiet during the scene (and they're both talkers), and Erik was even cooing softly in her ear throughout much of the action. Plus, they had the decency to slow down when Tera was climaxing, so she could enjoy her pleasure even more.
So, I wondered if anyone else who's seen this movie noticed all this. I found four reviews, two here on ADT, and one on rogreviews.com, and one by Den. Two of them made no mention of Tera's orgasms, while the third man said tentatively that he thought she might have had one orgasm. One guy said that Tera had to take an exhaustion break – she sure did, she was getting exhausted from all the orgasms, that he apparently didn't notice. What did they write about? All the DP action, including the brief DAP, and the brief DVP. Everything they wrote was all act-centered, to the point that you would hardly know that this scene involved 3 persons having a great time with each other.
That, in a nutshell, is what bothers me about the act-centric porn that's everywhere.
Now, I think I'll go start a thread on why more male reviewers don't notice when a woman is having an orgasm. (one of my pet peeves)
God hates us all, you know it's true, God hates this place. - Slayer 1726 Posts 10/03
Posted - Feb 10 2004 : 10:39PM
Renee, if i make your feel any better, I noticed it in my review and noted it at the end. and I ALWAYS try to see if a girl is having a genuine orgasm, I rather dislike the fake shit I see all too often.
Anyway, my thought on the thread is, no it's not "gay, a simple dictionary look up of the term "gay" and you will see that. And I agree with Renee, the same girls doing DAP is not what ALL the people want to see (I personally can careless), but fresh new faces doing DAP is good!!
I hope this demand for double and triple anal goes away soon. It's getting pretty crazy with what anal has turned into. Pretty soon there is going to be a demand for quadruple anal and god knows what else.
Let's just go back to plain old one-on-one anal sex!
Just my opinion, but the more that porn focuses on what a man can do to a woman, the more scenes we get with 3 4 or 5+ guys smothering the girl to the point you can't even see her body, face, expression, or any sexiness when she is getting fucked. I will agree, that some directors can film it DAP much better than others to at least produce a scene that you don't have to skip over.
I just don't get the fact that hetro men are watching male on female porn and are fantasizing about putting their dick in the same hole that's occupied by another dick or two. If so, I have no problem with what turns you on, but I think most guys want to see what appears to be sex with a reasonable element of spontaneous (all be it well choreographed sex). Not a forced 2 minute shock value circus acts, But each their own.
What happend to some hardcore fucking, anal or vaginal which you can see and would feature more of the woman and less visuals of male stomach, leg or ass crack.
I don't need to see 3 cocks in the ass to know that woman is a nasty sex freak. For goodness sake, she's doing porn
Posted - Feb 8 2004 : 8:49PM
