She should not be repeatedly asked, pressured, or otherwise leaned on to do anything she isn't comfortable with. But there's a point that the company must come to where the decision is made to have a basic standard of what is shown. The overwhelming majority of their scenes have become tip fucking, and while Mick and the rest are not hurting for size they are by no means overly-endowed.

If Lexi isn't able to accommodate anal sex in a comfortable fashion or is only able to do it with the tip then do something else. I understand there is a segment of viewers that just want pickle jar gapes or to see a dick in some girl's ass regardless of any other detail - perhaps that's you, perhaps not - but I'm interested in the shot as a whole.

Do it right, do it well, or don't do it. Tip fucking anal is about as genuine as debuting an IR scene where the model only gives a handjob to a black costar... yeah they technically did it but it's really a dodge.

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1.Enough with Dupree.... i mean seriously ...

how about hiring Scott Nails ? Xander Corvus ? (again) J-Mac ? Buddy Hollywood ? (again) Johnny Castle...

2.let's go back to the roots : shooting at 60fps... no more shoot at 24p for god's sake! (24p is good for cinema ... not for porn, I've lost count how many scenes have been ruined...

3.No more Legalporno girls on tushy (who did 75 anal scenes and 25 DAP) julia Grandi is Making fun of your brand ... for over 1 decade she was pressuring girls to do anal for woodman (then she joins the vixen media group and she's booking LP girls for Mike Moz.... but she don't want them on https://www.vixen.com/ )

4.stop discriminating milf models, tattoo girls or curvy girls. a lot of girls want to shoot for you, but you guys keep shutting the door on them (Tana Lea, Luna wulf, Sydney Hail, Brooke Lyn, Kit Mercer, Melissa Lynn, Becky Bandini, EVELIN STONE, Isabelle Deltore, Tyler Faith, Lexi Luna)

so you keep shooting the same models ... over and over again

5.More girls who didn't shoot much anal (Sybil, Gigi Allens, Michele James, Stacy Cruz, Sloan Harper)

6.start shooting in england, australia, there is a completely untapped market out there ! (Amber jayne, tommie joe, Jennifer Keellings, Princess Jas, Georgie Lyall Charlotte Star) or even France ! (Candice Jacobs would be amazing )

7..More showcase ! More ass worship (Cristian clay is the best at it) more anal play, more anal initiation (Laurent sky does a remarkable job)

8..would be nice to see some bts ...

Thank you for listening !

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I know, that's the weird thing ! Evelin told me 1 year ago that Lansky doesn't want her on tushy !

now he's gone... (it's time to change your policy)

SO PLEASE... book her !

I haven't finished yet :

9. start working with Brillbabes agency more often !

10.More european girls : find Kiki Yonitale and ask her to work as a scout model (she had THE best game in the industry!)

11..More amateur girls : Find Pamela Scott and ask her to work as a scout model (she worked for GDP and mompov in vegas)

12. Open a new G/G site ( hire Fivestar https://twitter.com/iamfivestar she's the best female director with Kayden, and holly rendall )

an example of her talent

https://www.kink.com/shoot/40125

13. if you guys love LP girls so much, let's go for an update every 3 days if possible !

14. oh ... and stop using so much lube on tushyraw...

That's just my two cents' worth....

Edited by - Irons on 2/19/2020 5:15:35 AM

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Doesn't make sense, they had tattooed girls before on Tushy. They even had Gina Valentina again recently

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Automatic pass from me unless the tattoos are outweighed by the girls' outrageous hotness (like Liya Silver), or the tattoos are actually well-designed, well-executed, and most important of all, well-placed (again Liya Silver). No fucking neck tattoos or other ignorant skank manifestations of bad ink. Some of these women (and men but who cares about dudes?) look like a guy with a blindfold randomly tossed mediocre patterns from a book or really shitty 'custom' designs all over them. It's not rebellious anymore, not when 98% of people in the adult industry have them. That's the fucking definition of conformity.

More slender, glamorous girls like Sybil A, Caprice, Alecia Fox. If there really is a god, I'll go to church if you can get Katya Clover in there. But sadly I suspect I'm going to be heathen a while longer.

More of the teasing/stripping intros. I'll watch most of these scenes for that alone.

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So many things they need to fix and the same goes for all other Vixen sites

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Is there any real reason that Tushy and TushyRaw both exist? After scrapping the idiotic bodysuit in the early days these two sites might as well be the same.

Blacked and BlackedRaw have very separate atmospheres but both suffer from incredibly horrible male talent and lack of consistent, quality female talent.

Vixen is cruising along on it's own as the vanilla flagship but has the same problem with consistent casting.

Deeper isn't worth discussing.

The fix is simple but they won't make as much money or get to pretend that VMG has a network of sites. Their social media is laughable, their presence here is weak, and most telling of all... they're down to $10/mo. If you're the premier site for anything you don't charge $10/mo unless you can't get more, and in that case you aren't the premier site.

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Regarding the $10/month - this should not be characterized as derogatory. VMG has increasingly spent money on improving equipment and getting better talent to make a better product. Instead of charging people $30/month for poorly-lit, generic crap, they are trying to drive the price down to netflix-like level and make it accessible to everyone. It's not a $30 product that is now worth $10. It's a $10 product that is worth $30, and us consumers are getting a great deal.

From a business-perspective, it might make even more sense. Imagine if you were netflix. Would you rather have:
$10/month x 1000 subscribers
or
$20/month x 200 subscribers

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Exactly how did any of these sites dilute the talent pool? We have about the same amount of performers today that we had 5 years ago. The names have changed but that's about it.

Tushy exist because Lansky saw that people wanted gonzo anal porn but with a more artsy feel to it. TushyRaw exist because he saw how popular Adriano's style was and tried to emulate it as much as possible. Other than the body suit. The only major differences are that there is a shitload less lube and spit and no fracking 20 minute BJ but otherwise they pretty much copy Adriano.

Vixen is not a vanilla site. In fact can we stop calling any of these gonzo sites vanilla. The only one that can be considered somewhat vanilla is Deeper and even that is often a stretch. All of the Lansky sites are pure hardcore gonzo porn. The only reason I say that Deeper can be considered somewhat vanilla is that they tend to have a deeper(sorry for the pun) scenario and that is often associated with vanilla porn.

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Besides, the consumer alone determines value and worth, the company determines cost. I go back to the litmus test I use for their sites based on a C4S pay set up - five updates a month for a $10 sub. If I had to pay $2.00 for every scene I wanted to download, how many would that be? It sure as shit isn't 5/5 every month - some months it's 0/5. Answer that for yourself and think on it - how many would you legitimately pay a meager $2.00 a pop to purchase. That number determines the site's worth, for you, completely independent from what VMG asks you pay. This is why they're down to $10/mo, and it's both derogatory and a shame.

As for equipment investments, talent, etc... you're way off my friend, nobody sinks money into production and cuts asking price by 50-67% if they didn't have to. Aside from the bodysuit in TushyRaw and the shitty openings in early BlackedRaw scenes all of their lighting, cameras, etc... have been top notch since launch. Yes there are some exceptions, always are, and yes Deeper continues to suffer from lighting problems, but for the overwhelming majority of ALL scenes from VMG the art factor has always been high. The problem is the overuse of reliable talent, the introduction of unreliable talent, and the directorial judgment in content being shown. I don't see people cheering for tip fucking in anal scenes, maybe it's there and I don't see it, but I definitely see people complaining about it. I don't see people applauding casting new guys who can't stay hard, but I see it pointed out repeatedly. Rimming is it's own separate thread. And when was the last true debut or first for a noteworthy actress or actor for that matter?

I could go on but you see what I'm getting at.

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As far as wanting to emulate Adriano, they copy his style but adjust the blowjobs and use of lube for each? Is that really a key, compelling reason to have two sites in the same network with the EXACT same scene set ups? If so I'll consider myself corrected, but Tushy looks the same as it did at launch and TushyRaw has for a long time looked exactly like Tushy - no bodysuit and dark room means no real difference. Blacked and BlackedRaw are definitely different sites but the same cannot be said for the Tushys.

And I do consider it greed when the differences between sites is so minimal that it comes down to a dark or light set, especially when the dark set doesn't exist anymore. Just bring up each site in a different window - there is literally no difference between them now. When it's the same basic actresses, in the same basic scenes, on the same basic sets there is no reason to have Raw and copy everything without changes. I could see it making sense if Dupree was their main talent on the Raw site, at least it's believable that he wouldn't use lube or tell the actress it was an anal scene.

Regarding talent dilution, that's more of a network-wide problem not necessarily Tushy, I'll shelve that for a different thread unless you want to hear it.

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To address your other remarks, "why wouldn't every site continue to preemptively lower the bar": My best guess is that it is a relatively small industry of a few players. $30 has been the norm for decades. It's likely tacit collusion for the $30, and there's no reason to lower aggressively because it's not direct competition. A lot of them might also be fearful. For example, why experiment with a lower price, when $30 has worked for you for years? You see the fearful nature by the number of copycat ideas whenever someone does something new and is successful in porn.

Another possible reason is as a Loss Leader. Sony takes a loss on the sale of a PS4, but make up for it in the games revenue. Apple gives away OSX for free, but make it up in overpriced hardware. I argue that VMG is still profitable at $10 and don't believe they are using it as a Loss Leader, but using it as a Loss Leader, would satisfy your argument since they've been running the price for a very long time. Notice how when you log into any of the VMG sites, you are immediately hit with that annoying page advertising other sites, and how they've greatly increased the frequency of promoting their other brands within the members area.

Upsux, I want to circle back to your previous point because I'm genuinely interested as a producer myself, what are some fixes you would like to see? Male talent and rimming seem to be one, but those are tastes. Anything organizational or general product-related?

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And questions over maintaining standards were bound to arise when producing twice as much content while routinely charging 1/2 or 1/3rd the original price. Some people no longer feel that the original three sites are producing the same quality of content as they once did. The photosets have been condensed. There doesn't always appear to be as much care and attention being paid to the style and quality of the scenes. Showcases have been abandoned. And so on.

They chose quantity over quality. I now gotta go dipping around 6 sites to find scenes and performers I actually give a damn about. So far this year they released 68 scenes and only around 20 even appealed to me, and not all of those turned out to be good. A few years back you coulda picked a random couple of months from any one of the three main sites and there'd be 9-10 scenes that I was down for and only a couple of throwaways.

Although their sites are still arguably of higher quality than other trash sites, that doesn't mean they're still of the standard they once were.

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I want to preface this with we don't know where their revenue comes from, they may make so much on DVD sales that as long as the sites aren't in the red they don't care. So...

The only reason to pay more than $10/mo for their sites right now is because the viewer is too lazy to look for a discount from a review or industry aggregator site. Maybe there are enough people out there who are suckers but I gotta believe that most people would put at least cursory effort to see what they can get a sub for. So their $10 holiday or flash sales are in fact not a sale, it's just saving money for people too lazy to save it for themselves.

With regard to your analogy, Netflix is spending more on content than their new subs are covering which was a cause for alarm recently. Yes, they're still profitable, so while their costs are rising steadily their quality and pricing are also still trending upward. VMG on the other hand has costs, that while perhaps aren't rising certainly aren't dropping, but their quality has decreased and their prices have dropped 67%. I don't know that a drop that dramatic can be written off as aggressive sub farming. As far as other sites not following the model, if establishment types like Jules Jordan knew he'd get more than enough subs to offset a price drop to $10 he'd have done it, no? Yet he's still at $20 (iirc) and even lower-tier network sites are around $15-25 and they have nowhere near the production level of VMG - yet they can prosper churning out exponentially more garbage content and charging only slightly more without having or choosing to cut sub prices to expand their base.

And they aren't running a website at a loss to make that up with promoted DVD sales, that works for an XBox because of the massive library sold separately. If an XBox Live sub gave you access to every single title in the catalog then games wouldn't be $60 and their sub cost would be a LOT more.

Moving on to talent - who have they brought on recently that everyone really cares about? I know not literally everyone will care, but they're getting scooped by sites like Oldje and Woodman, they're recycling meat from Legalporno, and when they do bring in industry veterans it's never anything from them you haven't seen for decade, it just has softer lighting. Angel Emily makes her Vixen debut in a few days... she's been in the industry for three years and she's doing a vanilla scene - is that really a noteworthy "debut"? Sophie Dee came back for one awful scene. Throw a parade because Riley Steele decided to cash in on IR while she still had a shred of relevance? Maitland Ward? You land Gabbie Carter for multiple scenes and she barely manages to wake up before the cumshot and you still publish her overrated garbage scenes? Teanna Trump, amazingly hot, is named Angel of the Year and is promptly forgotten about for how many months? Who was their last noteworthy anal debut? There's too much wrong here to keep going.

As for ideas:

Cut Deeper loose, it's poorly directed and poorly done across the entire checklist of what people want to see WITH your other sites. Is there anything they do well, do better, or even do competently? Maybe you don't want to see Kayden starve so this is a gimme, fine, keep this shitshow going for now and update on Thursdays. Tell her she can concentrate on not fucking up four updates per month instead of five, the extra time might be all she needs.

Roll Tushy and TushyRaw into one site for $15, updated 2x week, list one update as "Raw" and actually make that one look different than the other. People currently subbing to only one will get nearly double the content for $5 more, people subbing to both get nearly the same amount for $5 less, and the production costs are cut with the new release schedule. Fire your social media team and bring in people who know how to promote and interact with fans, bring in actresses who will anally take a dick properly and pair them with male talent who will use more than their tips to comfortably have sex. If Mick is too big then you find someone else, it isn't his site and if women are unable to accommodate more than the first 1-2" of his dick then you're using the wrong guy for the job. It's almost like your Netflix analogy, by decreasing the girth of the stuntcock by, say 25%, perhaps you open up the female talent pool who can safely and comfortably take the more slender cock by, say 25%. It's just proper casting. There's your Mon/Friday releases.

Blacked and BlackedRaw are nearly the same outline as above except you have got to get back to the starting line with Blacked. Stop using amateur thugs, stop the rimming, and stop with the lean toward domination and the slippery slope toward raceplay. Use clean cut guys not overly tatted out, not looming and hulking around, and make the scenes what they originally were - simple, energetic sex between your costars. No leading around on leashes, no choking, no stepping on heads - just show the softer side of IR sex that got Brandi Love (and others) to make the move into IR. For everything you cut out from Blacked throw that into BlackedRaw because as much as it repulses me there is a fanbase for rimming and harder sex. Ideally you could cast the same pairing in both a soft and Raw scene spread out a week or so apart - you have them on set, maximize your time and theirs. There's your Tuesday/Saturday releases.

Vixen cuts to once per week and actually spends time booking only top-tier talent. Doing this helps in positioning itself to be the single, go-to site for someone to make their name or show their fame. Actively promote who is coming up as well as who just appeared. Make the title of AotM mean something beyond having your picture taken with a knock off Pepsi can or beside a sweaty, bearded man in a DeLorean. Actually have the AotM appear at least once in that month and name a model people will want to show up to see. Don't be afraid to have IR or anal, but don't overdo it and steal the spotlight from the other sites. There's Wednesday.

You have updates six days per week, costs are cut, sub prices are fairly raised, quality can be made consistent in casting and production, fans know what to expect for their money, and being on your sites means more than if you just got done having choke sex with some dbag.

Since you asked. :D

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To be fair, at least it's a little more spaced out compared to the early days when they would have 4-5 scenes of a girl, nearly back to back.

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i mean seriously... she's the hottest milf out there

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great new, Molly Mae is back ! i can't believe it

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she shot one anal scene a few years ago !

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I wonder what would happen if Julia Grandi got fired and decided to open her own tushy

would people subscribe to it ???

well... not me

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Same goes for Kayden Kross. Trenchcoatx did well on the sheer force of her and Stoya's brand name, as well as all her pornstar friends plugging it, but looked at it another way, they didn't so as well considering the names attached. At least she had that advantage. Julia does not have that kind of star power.

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