What caused the decline?

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john_qyoo_public Deactivated User 265 Posts 7/05	Posted - Jan 15 2010 : 8:44PM The women were just plain hotter in the 90s. What caused the nose-dive in quality flesh? Coming of age of the generation growing up under AIDS scaremongering? Diminishing financial rewards for increasingly demanding job? Both? Something else? [Link]
TeganLovesSara Deactivated User Are you smoking yet? 252 Posts 12/09	Posted - Jan 15 2010 : 8:56PM Your statement is all a matter of opinion; but I will say I don't like the all the tats, you see girls getting all over their body. If I were a girl thinking about getting into the business for a year or two, I would definitely steer clear of tats, until I retired. Also, one thing I noticed with the porn of today, over that is a little different then the past; You can tell alot more, what girls abuse drugs and thanks to definition advances to camera's, you can see the results. [Link]
stinkfist Senior Member Subterfuge...... 7401 Posts 4/07	Posted - Jan 15 2010 : 9:00PM john_qyoo_public wrote: The women were just plain hotter in the 90s. What caused the nose-dive in quality flesh? Coming of age of the generation growing up under AIDS scaremongering? Diminishing financial rewards for increasingly demanding job? Both? Something else? Click to expand What girls have you been checking out these days? I think porn is getting better and better with hotter girls entering the industry all the time,as porn fans we have never had it so good.That is my opinion john. [Link]
john_qyoo_public Deactivated User 265 Posts 7/05	Posted - Jan 15 2010 : 9:06PM Well, I'm taking a look back at all the 90s girls right now, and my jaw keeps dropping at all the quality poon. I think production is way better now, but sadly the women seem distinctly less attractive. It's possible I'm just going through the typical guy reaction to new poon, but I don't think so. Maybe at some point I'll make a list of the hottest women from the 90s, and we can all dig up the hottest women of the aughties, and we can compare. I'm also struck by how many of these gorgeous women made tons of movies. Over a hundred films is more norm than exception. On the other hand, they had sex for a fraction of the time per scene that they have today. TLS, that's a good argument about camera quality. Yes, it's harder for makeup and lighting to hide a girls flaws these days. Edited by - john_qyoo_public on 1/15/2010 9:09:14 PM [Link]
Nebulous Deactivated User Inside every ugly woman is a beautiful woman trying to get out. 27 Posts 1/10	Posted - Jan 15 2010 : 9:52PM Here's the scoop. Today there is an endless number of niche topics covering porn so you get a watered down porn product that is not always put much effort into by directors. For example, TODAY, anyone can be in porn. We have girls who are pregnant who can do porn, we have women or men of any age, amateurs of all types,and even geriatrics into their 70s, 80s doing porn. We have obese girls in porn, featured by Rodney Moore (Whale Watchers) and Score studio keeps cranking out this crap. We have a ton of transexual porn seldom shown in the 90s. We have just about anything you can imagine today. I agree the quality of porn was better in the 90s but that has a lot to do with your particular taste. A proliferation of hideous niche topics infiltrating our homes has led to the disdain and condemnation of some of us more traditional porn viewers. Nebulous also frowns upon the fecal matter we have to put up with. I attribute it to greedy studios exploiting anyone, including putting grandma and grandpa on camera to make a profit. [Link]

stinkfist Senior Member Subterfuge...... 7401 Posts 4/07	Posted - Jan 15 2010 : 9:59PM ^I still think there are more hot girls in porn today and as a porn fan i am reaping the benefits of this,it's a great time to be a porn fan from the Euro girls to the major stars who grace the best labels and the fact that there are so many niche markets makes the choice even better for porn fans.There is something for everyone these days i am more than happy with the choice i have regarding porn,could a porn fan from the 90's feel the same? I am sure the 90's hold a special appeal to a lot of fans but im still glad for todays porn. [Link]
john_qyoo_public Deactivated User 265 Posts 7/05	Posted - Jan 15 2010 : 10:04PM Maybe the explosion of cable TV had something to do with it. A lot of these 90s gals look like they were downsized out of Hollywood. Maybe these days these girls are doing reality TV or something. [Link]
john_qyoo_public Deactivated User 265 Posts 7/05	Posted - Jan 15 2010 : 10:09PM Nebulous, I was thinking about something along those lines, too. Like the less attractive girls who are willing to do ANYTHING drove all the high class looking poon out. It's amazing how many of these women look like they could have made it in Hollywood, with hard bodies and great looking boob jobs. But I have to disagree that porn was so much better back then. So much of it was crap in terms of production, you could tell there wasn't much competition. I watched a few scenes with Stacy Valentine a couple days ago. They were all varying levels of crap, about 10% stroke footage and 90% gyno-closeups and lame angles, with way too many angle changes. And the sex was waaay too brief, never mind the 10 second BJs. This is what makes the nose-dive such a tragedy. It would be great to see Jeanna Fine or K.C. Williams (who? Just one of a bevy of stunning 90s chicks nobody's ever heard of because even though they'd be top ten today, they were nothing special back then) or Dyanna Lauren doing scenes up to today's improved standards. Stink, I move we leave Euro porn out of it for the moment. Let's just keep it to the domestic producers (including imported talent). Edited by - john_qyoo_public on 1/15/2010 10:13:47 PM [Link]
stinkfist Senior Member Subterfuge...... 7401 Posts 4/07	Posted - Jan 15 2010 : 10:26PM john_qyoo_public wrote: Stink, I move we leave Euro porn out of it for the moment. Let's just keep it to the domestic producers (including imported talent). Click to expand Ok john(i cant fight anyway lol),it is a topic that is rife for debate-do you think that the stars from the 90's with the advances in camera quality/directors etc would be a match for todays crop of stars. [Link]
Nebulous Deactivated User Inside every ugly woman is a beautiful woman trying to get out. 27 Posts 1/10	Posted - Jan 15 2010 : 10:34PM john, I am a big viewer of adult DVDs, never buy anything, but I rent as many as 8-10 DVDs each week (briefly breaking entirely from it) and have been viewing porn since the very early 80s. Over the past couple years, I have found that I only enjoy 1 out of every 5 DVDs I view. The other 4 DVDs range from terrible, barely tolerable to mediocre at best. So, with only 20% of DVDs worth seeing it is hard to say that porn has not deteriorated. I've also rented most of the classics and viewed tens of thousands of titles over this span. I do look and anticipate all classic releases, particularly from Alpha Blue Archives but to sum it up, the porn today is crap compared to years ago. I'm still eager to view titles, just my expectations when I play a title are quite low. In fact, I have my finger on the remote fast forward button most of the time. Isn't worth my time to waste watching an entire title. I look for something really hot to pop up which does from time to time. [Link]
john_qyoo_public Deactivated User 265 Posts 7/05	Posted - Jan 15 2010 : 10:44PM We disagree, no biggie. But you do seem to have watched way more vintage porn than I have. The oldest stuff I've watched has been from the late 90s. I've watched a good bit of stuff from the aughties, including gonzo and features and Euro porn. Maybe our tastes are just different. Of the older stuff I have (a lot of it is comps of hotties like Chasey or Stacy Valentine) I notice the sex is much briefer. Do we agree on that? Anyhow, I want to start collecting some of these older flicks for the best of the now-extinct California models-hardbody stars. Want to recommend some outlets? I've never gotten into the downloadable stuff but I notice a fair amount of it is listed as available by IAFD. One thing I wonder about is if this stuff could ever be re-released in a higher definition format since VHS is practically obsolete. I also wonder about "DVDRentz." I've heard that they don't have half the stuff that IAFD says they do and I wonder if I should bother with them. [Link]
john_qyoo_public Deactivated User 265 Posts 7/05	Posted - Jan 15 2010 : 10:49PM So, with only 20% of DVDs worth seeing it is hard to say that porn has not deteriorated. Click to expand Just goes to show how important perspective is. We all know that there's was WAY more porn produced in the aughties than the nineties. Take your 1 in 5 comment - just throw out those 4/5ths and compare the 1 in 5 that's good to what was produced in the nineties. I bet there's still more product available from the aughties. Not that it's better than the stuff from the nineties. I guess I'm just saying that I wouldn't care at all about those 4/5ths if it weren't for the fact that the top quality poon all dried up. Maybe they all just moved out of California. [Link]
stinkfist Senior Member Subterfuge...... 7401 Posts 4/07	Posted - Jan 15 2010 : 10:53PM john_qyoo_public wrote: Anyhow, I want to start collecting some of these older flicks for the best of the now-extinct California models-hardbody stars. Want to recommend some outlets? I've never gotten into the downloadable stuff but I notice a fair amount of it is listed as available by IAFD. One thing I wonder about is if this stuff could ever be re-released in a higher definition format since VHS is practically obsolete. I also wonder about "DVDRentz." I've heard that they don't have half the stuff that IAFD says they do and I wonder if I should bother with them. Click to expand I "think" some of the older Buttman classics made it onto dvd,maybe someone who really knows can weigh in with the correct answer. [Link]
john_qyoo_public Deactivated User 265 Posts 7/05	Posted - Jan 15 2010 : 10:54PM stinkfist wrote: john_qyoo_public wrote: Stink, I move we leave Euro porn out of it for the moment. Let's just keep it to the domestic producers (including imported talent). Click to expand Ok john(i cant fight anyway lol),it is a topic that is rife for debate-do you think that the stars from the 90's with the advances in camera quality/directors etc would be a match for todays crop of stars. Click to expand Not trying to fight about it. I want to know what happened to all the great poon, damnit! :) Where are my 20 minute gonzo scenes with the likes of Stacy Valentine or Chasey damnit! To answer your question, I'm still looking through the 90s girls, so I'll withhold judgment. But it isn't looking good for the aughties. I'm looking up pics of each gal on Freeones. Even with the older softer lighting, there's no way to hide their superior features. A nose doesn't move or change shape just because of a soft lens or lighting or a different hairstyle. And they can't explain away the devastating body that Celeste had. And on second thought, the technical argument doesn't really wash. If the new cameras make the girls look worse, then they should either compensate, or go back to lower resolution cameras. [Link]
stinkfist Senior Member Subterfuge...... 7401 Posts 4/07	Posted - Jan 15 2010 : 11:07PM I can still honestly say that 90's porn does not do a lot for me,i am not knocking anyone who loves that era or the stars that were performing back then,i just do not get that spark,that magic that kicks in when watching a porno movie from the 90's and i guess all the 90's lovers will feel the same way about today's current crop of porn. [Link]

Mike Quasar Zero Tolerance Reluctant pornographer 1765 Posts 7/01	Posted - Jan 16 2010 : 12:48AM As someone who has been in the industry for almost 20 years, let me just say that the 90's did indeed feature some super-hot female talent but let me just run a few names by you... Tori Black Rebecca Linares Alexis Texas (I would also mention our 3 contract girls but that would seem like pandering) Not to mention that there a few girls from the 90's who look even better in 2010: Lisa Ann, Julia Ann, Francesca Le' In my opinion, the calibre of girls who decide to step before the camera has never been higher than it is today. [Link]
Nebulous Deactivated User Inside every ugly woman is a beautiful woman trying to get out. 27 Posts 1/10	Posted - Jan 16 2010 : 12:56AM john_qyoo_public wrote: I also wonder about "DVDRentz." I've heard that they don't have half the stuff that IAFD says they do and I wonder if I should bother with them. Click to expand john, I am a current member of this company renting DVDs. They go by not one name but several names based upon your rental arrangement. I only joined them a month ago since BushDVD had their unfortunate fire that destroyed most of their inventory so I sought a temporary replacement. I found a lot about this establishment (DVDRentz and their aliases) in dealing with them as a customer which may be of interest, actually will be of interest if you rent DVDs. Edited by - Nebulous on 1/16/2010 12:17:36 PM [Link]
john_qyoo_public Deactivated User 265 Posts 7/05	Posted - Jan 16 2010 : 1:07AM Nebulous, thanks that would be great. Sorry to hear about Bush, I was planning on going back to them soon. I hope they were well insured. Tori Black Rebecca Linares Alexis Texas Click to expand Tori's pretty easy on the eyes. I was shocked when I first saw her because she seemed so far above the pack these days. But she's hardly a hardbody. Rebecca's wonderful. A perfect body and I don't see how anyone could ask for a better performer. Her face is very cute too. Alexis Texas is drop-dead gorgeous but she's way too heavy for my tastes. In my opinion, the calibre of girls who decide to step before the camera has never been higher than it is today. Click to expand I think guys who are heavy into variety would agree with you. Let me put it this way. There are tons of 7s and 8s around, but the 9s have dried up. If you're into variety, today's situation suits you. Me, I'm the kind of viewer who finds a 9 and buys 20 or more of her DVDs. Edited by - john_qyoo_public on 1/16/2010 1:11:07 AM [Link]
john_qyoo_public Deactivated User 265 Posts 7/05	Posted - Jan 16 2010 : 1:20AM So Mike, what's your insider's take? I don't see how it can only be about money. Vivid doesn't have nearly the stable it used to. [Link]
john_qyoo_public Deactivated User 265 Posts 7/05	Posted - Jan 16 2010 : 1:30AM Maybe the internet made it so much easier for escorts to network and screen clients that the 9s all went off screen? [Link]
Mike Quasar Zero Tolerance Reluctant pornographer 1765 Posts 7/01	Posted - Jan 16 2010 : 1:33AM I think it's simply because there are now literally a thousand girls who do porn. When Vivid pioneered the contract girl concept, porn was much more underground and the Tori Blacks of the day were immediately snatched up (Janine, Chasey Lane etc). The were a handful of other girls of that caliber who remained on the free market but I can remember vividly (pardon the pun) trying to book movies in the early 90's where we just couldn't find anyone that we thought was hot. The roster of A list girls then was very shallow. Off the top of my head: Tiffany Mynx, Leena, Alicia Rio, J.R Carrington, Kelly O'dell and a handful of others. Maybe it's because the sheer volume of female talent available today all begin to blend together. [Link]
Dan Senior Member 2056 Posts 6/07	Posted - Jan 16 2010 : 3:35AM john_qyoo_public wrote: The women were just plain hotter in the 90s. What caused the nose-dive in quality flesh? Coming of age of the generation growing up under AIDS scaremongering? Diminishing financial rewards for increasingly demanding job? Both? Something else? Click to expand How hot a woman is depends not just on her looks but also on the quality of sex she is having. Perhaps now there are some pretty good looking ladies like Alexis Texas who have done a lot of pussy only or lesbian scenes. But that's not the type of porn I enjoy watching. And for this reason, these good-looking ladies don't do much for me. In 1990s and early 2000s, a lot of good-looking euro-ladies flooded the porn market. And most of these ladies were willing to have wild anal and DP sex with the guys. That's why the porn of that period was hotter than it is now. If Alexis Texas starts doing DPs and starts spreading her nice ass for the anal guys in every porn scene she does. Then she definitely would raise the temperature of today's porn. But I'll believe it when I see it. It's a well known fact that the porn industry isn't making as much money now as before. And this probably limits the amount of money attractive women can make in porn. Which discourages many of them from joining the porn industry. And now the standard of living is better in many eastern european countries. Which means that women from there aren't flooding the porn industry anymore. These women can make good money in many other ways besides porn. Which means that wild euro ladies willing to spread their nice asses for the horny guys aren't as available as before. Edited by - Dan on 1/16/2010 3:40:42 AM [Link]
Aplus Senior Member 1431 Posts 5/05	Posted - Jan 16 2010 : 4:42AM Mike Quasar wrote: I think it's simply because there are now literally a thousand girls who do porn. When Vivid pioneered the contract girl concept, porn was much more underground and the Tori Blacks of the day were immediately snatched up (Janine, Chasey Lane etc). The were a handful of other girls of that caliber who remained on the free market but I can remember vividly (pardon the pun) trying to book movies in the early 90's where we just couldn't find anyone that we thought was hot. The roster of A list girls then was very shallow. Off the top of my head: Tiffany Mynx, Leena, Alicia Rio, J.R Carrington, Kelly O'dell and a handful of others. Maybe it's because the sheer volume of female talent available today all begin to blend together. Click to expand I really think that's it Mike. And it wasn't uncommon to see a combination of Mynx, Leena, Alicia, and J.R. in any given movie back then. Today you be much more pressed to see that kind of well-known and top notch talent in any given film, plus today's films generally aren't made like that anyway. Now I'm lucky if I recognize more than 2 females in any given film...your films excluded Mike. The beauty and talent is way more abundant these days, it just takes forever to sift through them since I don't know 3/4 of those 1,000+. I'd say that porn is simply a victim of it's own success. I know Jim South's office was literally being overrun with women wanting to get in a few years ago. [Link]
Tobias Deactivated User 475 Posts 1/09	Posted - Jan 16 2010 : 5:00AM I agree with those who say the girls used to be way hotter. Now, way too many girls are tatted up and out of shape. Part of the reason is that America as a whole is tatted up and out of shape. How amazing would it have been if the technology that exists today had been around back in the early to mid 80's? Shauna Grant in high def would have been heavenly. [Link]
BlackSix All-Star Member pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07	Posted - Jan 16 2010 : 6:02AM I have to strongly disagree, the 90s were one of the worst eras for porn, most of it is already unwatchable. I pretty much gave up on porn half way through the decade because it was so poorly shot and lifeless. Edited by - BlackSix on 1/16/2010 6:07:07 AM [Link]

charn fubar 2880 Posts 12/09	Posted - Jan 16 2010 : 8:07AM in superficial appearance the standouts i think of are Isabella Camille, Rebecca Lord, Faye Reagan, and Sasha Grey. i have seen some 80s and 90s porn. cheesy music and three minute scenes that end before the end of the fake orgasm. [Link]
john_qyoo_public Deactivated User 265 Posts 7/05	Posted - Jan 16 2010 : 12:08PM Tobias is right about the out of shape thing. I built my list by going through Vivid's list and checking all the 90s movies at IAFD and looking at the headshots. I've been checking the best prospects by looking them up at Freeones. NONE of these girls has turned out to be anything but a hardbody. Some of their faces have turned out to be less than their headshots make them out, but they've all had head turning bods. They all look like they belong in music videos. And I don't even know how many 90s hotties I've missed who never worked for Vivid. I can't believe the argument that they're around today but lost in the crowd. Vivid and Wicked have the best looking gals in porn and they don't match the girls working for Vivid in the 90s. If there were more top quality poon today than there were in the 90s, shouldn't Vivid have a better stable today than they did in the 90s? Sure, a girls watchability isn't just about looks, but that doesn't mean we haven't had a dip in what's out there in terms of looks. [Link]
duefuss Member Not a shred of evidence exists in favor of the idea that life is serious - Brendan Gill 723 Posts 4/09	Posted - Jan 16 2010 : 12:13PM I'm always a little tickled by these laments for the Good Old Days. Much of what we percieve as the superiority of the past is that ther's a lot more of it: we remember the best of it and the worst of it -- like intense physical pain -- we forget. That's only human and we are almost helpless not to do it. Also, ten or twenty years from now, people will be here (long live ADT!) yearning for the hot girls and better porn of thr 2010's. Nothing's happened to the quality of today's porn, except that it's today's porn. I'm not saying it's good--most of it isn't, but on the whole it will be judged by porn posterity as no worse or no better that any other time's. Of course, you are entitled to your opinion and respect for it. [Link]
john_qyoo_public Deactivated User 265 Posts 7/05	Posted - Jan 16 2010 : 2:13PM Duefuss, what I'm noticing in this thread is the opposite, the "got to admit it's getting better" myth of progress. And I've stated repeatedly that porn has gotten better, while the 9s have all disappeared. Edited by - john_qyoo_public on 1/16/2010 2:14:54 PM [Link]
Tobias Deactivated User 475 Posts 1/09	Posted - Jan 16 2010 : 2:53PM People in general are getting dumpier these days. Watch any movie from the 70's or 80's. Everyone was so thin back then. Probably because they weren't eating so many trans fats and chugging it all down with a liter of Coke. So what is porn? - Just a reflection of society in general. The population as a whole is fatter and more out of shape. So, it's to be expected that the girls in the porn are also fatter and more out of shape. It's sad really. All it takes is a little awareness of what's going in your mouth. My own revelation came last year when I noticed myself getting a little pooch, which dismayed me since I've always been in shape. I quit consuming carbonated drinks. I lost ten pounds in three months. [edited -flash] In the 70's and 80's, people wouldn't have paid to see that. So why do so now? MOD: Edited to remove non-constructive portion. Read the forum etiquette before posting again. Especially this part. Adult DVD Talk is a Community of Porn Fans and Industry Insiders Please do not talk about pornstars, directors or producers as if they are not here. (Katsumi sums it up nicely.) We are lucky to have industry participants, and they are paying attention to your constructive criticism. Insults will get you nowhere and lead to the deactivation of your forum account. If you work in the industry please be honest about your porn connections. See our Member Directory for a list of stars, directors, producers and other insiders who participate. Click to expand I've put the relevant part in italics for you. Edited by - Flash on 1/17/2010 2:01:47 PM [Link]
TeganLovesSara Deactivated User Are you smoking yet? 252 Posts 12/09	Posted - Jan 16 2010 : 4:14PM ^^ But surely you won't deny that the public's idea of "what is pretty" changes over time. Edited by - teganlovessara on 1/16/2010 5:14:28 PM [Link]
Tobias Deactivated User 475 Posts 1/09	Posted - Jan 16 2010 : 4:36PM TeganLovesSara wrote: ^^ But surely you won't deny that the public's idea of "what is pretty" has changes over time. Click to expand Absolutely. However, cellulite is NOT currently considered attractive. Yet, porn keeps trotting out all these girls with cellulite riddled butts and thighs and touting them as the next big thing. That creates a disconnect with audiences and results in a dissatisfaction with the overall product. [Link]
ninja1 Senior Member 2939 Posts 1/08	Posted - Jan 16 2010 : 4:42PM Tobias wrote: Now take a look at Alexis Texas, who is held out as some kind of porn goddess. Seriously, take a look at that girl's butt and thighs. Click to expand I think it's unfair to misuse Alexis Texas in this manner. Alexis Texas is part of the thick/bigbooty porn niche. There are plenty of guys who love a thicker/curvier/mature body type, to whom cellulite and dimples and minor nitpicky imperfections are unimportant. And guys who are nitpicky over the nitpicky imperfections should just move on to something else. The porn world is a big place. Thanks to everything being a niche or genre nowadays, it's easy to avoid the things you don't like. Yeah they may sneak in a sex act you weren't expecting, but the dvd title and cast list and boxcover photos generally tell you what type of girls are gonna be on the dvd. I remember when I needed to be a detective to find movies containing thick girls, and then it was only 1 scene out of 5 or 6. The porn producers are finally waking up and realizing the marketplace wants more than a narrowly-defined vision of sexy. You just have to work a little harder to find the thinner girls. No biggie. [Link]
DJboutit2 Member 438 Posts 4/09	Posted - Jan 16 2010 : 5:59PM All the lame dumb talkin at the begining of scenes from sites like Bangabros & Realitykings just get to the good stuff already Illegal downloading Goverment trying to shut down like 60% to 70% of porn trying to get a union for the porn industry [Link]
stinkfist Senior Member Subterfuge...... 7401 Posts 4/07	Posted - Jan 16 2010 : 11:52PM Tobias wrote: ... In the 70's and 80's, people wouldn't have paid to see that. So why do so now? Click to expand Tobias,i strongly disagree with you sentiments towards Alexis-not all of of us like the stick insect type performer but any Alexis title that i have,i bought because i am into the type of body shape/curves that she has and for you to say that she is hideous is way of the mark.Just my opinion Tobias. [mod edit: just cleaning up. thx.] Edited by - savoy on 1/17/2010 5:32:23 PM [Link]

Pornication Member 130 Posts 1/10	Posted - Jan 17 2010 : 6:03AM ..However, cellulite is NOT currently considered attractive. Yet, porn keeps trotting out all these girls with cellulite riddled butts and thighs and touting them as the next big thing. That creates a disconnect with audiences and results in a dissatisfaction with the overall product. Click to expand Here we go again! Another dude who jerks off to Skeletons trying to pass off his own taste as The Universal Truth, labeling perfectly gorgeous women as 'heavy' and 'chunky' so he can pretend the anorexic chicks he likes are 'normal'! %80 of porn chicks today already conform to your scrawny ideal. Check out the Model List section of BangBros, Brazzers or any other site, and you'll see pic after pic of women so emaciated you feel like you clicked on a Holocaust survivors gallery! The truth is the exact opposite of your claim. The last decade has seen a flood of shapeless, malnourished women who couldn't have made it as a Fluffer back in the 90's. Part of the joy of porn used to be the fantasy that the girl is the sexy bartender, stripper, or the hot chick you saw at the beach. Today, most girls in porn are so skeletal they look nothing like the hot, normal women I see in real life. Talk about a 'disconnect' for the consumer! As for Alexis, if any thing, I'm disappointed she's lost some of her thickness since she started. In her first scene for Bangbros she was one of the hottest women I've ever seen anywhere. [Link]
jezzard Member Is there anything more beautiful and erotic in the world than a woman licking another woman's anus? 51 Posts 12/09	Posted - Jan 17 2010 : 7:13AM I agree with pretty much everything that has been said. Aestheticaly speaking, I think "better quality" meant a lack of quality and killed the spirit, i.e. digital production, HD film, shaved vaginas, fake breasts, dull idiotic gonzo taking over from from that really sexy live videotape look that still existed into the early 90s, chicks with pumps, natural breasts, sexy make up, performers who although were no Meryl Streep or Richard Burton still had a lot of charisma, etc. Hence the overwhelming majority of porn (always lesbian, hetero doesn't really do it for me) I watch is usually mid 80s to early 90s. BTW, I do enjoy a lot of modern flicks too, I have seen a lot of pointless garbage from 1988, and some really cool stuff from 2005, so don't get me wrong. [Link]
charn fubar 2880 Posts 12/09	Posted - Jan 17 2010 : 12:43PM i forgot Aria Giovanni. [Link]
BlackSix All-Star Member pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07	Posted - Jan 17 2010 : 5:04PM jezzard wrote: I agree with pretty much everything that has been said. Aestheticaly speaking, I think "better quality" meant a lack of quality and killed the spirit, i.e. digital production, HD film, shaved vaginas, fake breasts, dull idiotic gonzo taking over from from that really sexy live videotape look that still existed into the early 90s, chicks with pumps, natural breasts, sexy make up, performers who although were no Meryl Streep or Richard Burton still had a lot of charisma, etc. Hence the overwhelming majority of porn (always lesbian, hetero doesn't really do it for me) I watch is usually mid 80s to early 90s. Click to expand You must be watching a different 90s as shaved vaginas, fake tits, gonzo dominance was the distinguishing feature of the 90s. 'Lesbian' video by the likes of Bruce Seven was even worse, completely fake. The mid-80s is when the classic era died and horrible-looking video productions took over. I think you're looking at the past through rose-coloured glasses. [Link]
RandomPrecision Senior Member Enjoy! 8175 Posts 3/06	Posted - Jan 17 2010 : 5:36PM Tobias wrote: Absolutely. However, cellulite is NOT currently considered attractive. Click to expand That depends on - 1. Who you ask 2. The amount of it and what it looks like. I happen to like fatty butts, hips and thighs. It does get out of hand and as usual, the porn industry has a tendency to go way overboard with everything. I couldn't care less what most people consider attractive though so I guess that's just me. [Link]
RandomPrecision Senior Member Enjoy! 8175 Posts 3/06	Posted - Jan 17 2010 : 6:30PM I'm not sure there's been a substantial decline in general attractiveness. But, some possible contributing factors - 1. Drugs. I'm thinking specifically about drugs like meth. I don't know a lot about it but it seems to be a devastating drug from what I've seen of people who use it. 2. Girls who push themselves too hard and don't get enough R&R. 3. Any girl who's doing anal more than once a week is probably doing it too frequently. Considering that an anal scene in porn has to be "clean", I'm sure there must be a lot of enema use going on. That can't be good on a frequent basis. 4. Eating disorders and related things. With the rise of the internet, the girls can read what everybody and their brother has to say about them. There are a lot of ignorant fucks who wouldn't know a hot woman from the ass end of a mule trying to tell them they're too fat or too thin or too this or that. If you hear something often enough, you might start believing it. Consider a lot of these ladies are still young. Many get into this line of work not only for the money but because they seek approval and compliments from others so they are very susceptible to criticism. 5. Cosmetic surgery. This is a big one. Many girls look amazing when they come into the business (As evidenced by the fact that they get noticed in the first place) only to try and improve upon perfection (for whatever reason). This general ends up with poorly thought out and executed cosmetic modifications that are shockingly obvious and bad. I'm really baffled by this one but I guess the same thing that causes eating disorders causes beautiful women to think they're not attractive enough and deludes them into the belief that an absolutely atrocious implant looks better than what put them on the map in the first place. 6. General lack of discretion across the board. Evidently, in the porn biz, the director is the guy most responsible for the final product and I have to say many of them are doing a terrible job. I wish I was educated enough in these things to point out exactly what they're doing wrong but it's sufficient to say that if they really wanted to do better, they could learn to (if in fact it's a deficiency of talent rather than lack of caring). I think it's due to the fact that anyone who can point a camera can make porn and the public isn't too picky. To the extent that porn still sells, I would guess that the worst porn sells at least as well as the very best porn. I can see where that would be discouraging. 7. The tendency for all porn stars to mimic the most successful porn stars (as evidenced by the tradition of very similar names). The most successful porn stars are not necessarily the best. Many people have terrible taste in many things (including women). If you like the top porn stars of the day, you're probably going to have more than enough to keep you busy at all times. If not, you're going to be unfulfilled with almost all of the porn that comes along. I've seen some signs that this might be changing somewhat but it seems that no matter how amazing a new girl is, it isn't long before she starts morphing into "The porn star". 8. Tattoos. It's not even enough to say that if they were good tattoos, they wouldn't be so bad. As is so often said, I have never seen a tattoo improve on a girl's appearance. Ever. I've seen some that were cute and cool but all I could think about is how amazing the girl would be without that damn tattoo. [Link]
BlackSix All-Star Member pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07	Posted - Jan 17 2010 : 6:32PM I don't buy that the girls of the past were better looking than today. Delusional. [Link]
Dan Senior Member 2056 Posts 6/07	Posted - Jan 17 2010 : 9:55PM ^^^ Not everyone's taste in porn is the same. Some guys like artificially enhanced boobs, piercings, and tatoos. And for them, present day porn women look better than the porn women of the past look. But other guys like naturally wholesome women like Seka, Tanya Fox, Kay Parker, Buffy Davis, and Samantha Strong. And for them, porn women of the past look better. In matters of personal preference and taste, it's a waste of time to seek a common agreement. Because everyone is entitled to their own personal likes and dislikes as much as any other guy is entitled. Edited by - Dan on 1/17/2010 9:58:47 PM [Link]
realtip Deactivated User 2301 Posts 6/04	Posted - Jan 17 2010 : 10:36PM BlackSix wrote: I don't buy that the girls of the past were better looking than today. Delusional. Click to expand I totally agree. There were hot girls doing porn a decade ago. There are still plenty of hot girls doing porn now. I agree that people have their own tastes. But it also sounds like people just pining for the "good old days" again. [Link]
BlackSix All-Star Member pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07	Posted - Jan 18 2010 : 3:48AM Dan wrote: ^^^ Not everyone's taste in porn is the same. Some guys like artificially enhanced boobs, piercings, and tatoos. And for them, present day porn women look better than the porn women of the past look. But other guys like naturally wholesome women like Seka, Tanya Fox, Kay Parker, Buffy Davis, and Samantha Strong. And for them, porn women of the past look better. In matters of personal preference and taste, it's a waste of time to seek a common agreement. Because everyone is entitled to their own personal likes and dislikes as much as any other guy is entitled. Click to expand No one here was arguing for fake boobs as better. The top porn performers of today don't match your description: Sasha Grey, Jenna Haze, Kristina Rose, Gianna. You're also mixing your eras: Kay Parker and Seka were mainly performers in the 70s, by the late 80s and 90s the last thing you could describe the performers as is 'naturally wholesome.' Fake boobs became the standard in the exact era the OP thinks was so great: mid-80s and throughout the 90s. If anything the girls today look way more 'natural' than in almost any other era outside of the 70s. [Link]
RandomPrecision Senior Member Enjoy! 8175 Posts 3/06	Posted - Jan 18 2010 : 4:02AM BlackSix wrote: I don't buy that the girls of the past were better looking than today. Delusional. Click to expand I didn't say that but I do agree with some who feel that with the resources available to the biz today, the majority of porn could be much better and many of the girls do not look as good as they could if they took better care of themselves and the directors took the time to make them look their best. Like I said, it's getting better in some cases but progressively worse in others. The loss of revenue will certainly not help. [Link]
charn fubar 2880 Posts 12/09	Posted - Jan 18 2010 : 9:18PM 80s hair. many scenes of that time are marred by perms. if it's a perm and implant combo she might as well be a guy in a wig and stuffed bra. [Link]
Savoy All-Star Member Sucker for Sinners 1844 Posts 12/06	Posted - Jan 18 2010 : 9:33PM What's naturally wholesome about hairspray and heroin? [Link]
mrputitbackin Member 51 Posts 12/09	Posted - Jan 25 2010 : 7:28PM I think porn in the 90's was nastier, but the film quality and production values of porn is way better now. In the 90's you also had a gamut of anything goes eastern European girls like Silvia Saint, Cassandra Wilde, Nikki ANderson, LAura Black, there aren't as many european porn stars making it big in the current porn industry, and European porn stars tend to be less inhibited than American porn stars. The lighting and the music has imporved tremendously try lsitening to old Anabolic porno music and compare it to todays porno music. [Link]
john_qyoo_public Deactivated User 265 Posts 7/05	Posted - Jan 25 2010 : 11:02PM The idea that there's no room in between overweight chicks like Texas and "sticks" or "skeletons" or "holocaust survivors" gets old. There's plenty. I like a woman with some "grab" to her but there's a limit. And some women carry the weight better than others. And Texas is way past "grab." BlackSix's comments fit with my observations of the performers at IAFD. There was LOTS of silicone in the 90s. The difference is, you see a LOT fewer crappy boob jobs. I was amazed at all the great boob jobs. These chicks all look like southern California beach bunnies with great bods, cute or better faces, good tans, and killer boob jobs. "I don't buy that the girls of the past were better looking than today. Delusional." Nope, fact. We'll see when I'm done going through my list. Then I'll take on all comers in a chick-by-chick war, lol. The aughties will run out before I do. [Link]
Finfrock Member 91 Posts 2/05	Posted - Jan 26 2010 : 2:05AM I strongly disagree with your contention that porn stars were hotter in the 90's but, hey, we all have different tastes and obviously this is highly subjective. To me, the golden age of porn was probably somewhere between 5-10 years ago; it seemed like there were a lot of hot girls who were good performers and they were cranking out a lot of hot and nasty scenes. I would agree that there seems to be less hot girls within the last couple of years (which I would attribute to the overall slow-down in porn production). I would also agree that we really didn't see that many hot girls in porn until the 90s. I started watching porn around 1985 and the girls in those days were nowhere near the level that they are now. IMO, the girls in the industry now are as hot as ever but there just doesn't seem to be as many good scenes as there were a few years ago. However, I really do think that the stuff that JJ is putting out now is as good as porn has ever been (very hot girls doing hardcore scenes with great camera work/production). I'm not kissing their ass just because they post on this site; I just have to give credit where it's due. And there are a few other studios still putting out great stuff as well (Evil Angel and a few others). [Link]

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john_qyoo_public
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Posted - Jan 15 2010 : 8:44PM

The women were just plain hotter in the 90s. What caused the nose-dive in quality flesh? Coming of age of the generation growing up under AIDS scaremongering? Diminishing financial rewards for increasingly demanding job? Both? Something else?

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Posted - Jan 15 2010 : 8:56PM

Your statement is all a matter of opinion; but I will say I don't like the all the tats, you see girls getting all over their body.
If I were a girl thinking about getting into the business for a year or two, I would definitely steer clear of tats, until I retired.
Also, one thing I noticed with the porn of today, over that is a little different then the past; You can tell alot more, what girls abuse drugs and thanks to definition advances to camera's, you can see the results.

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stinkfist
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Posted - Jan 15 2010 : 9:00PM

What girls have you been checking out these days? I think porn is getting better and better with hotter girls entering the industry all the time,as porn fans we have never had it so good.That is my opinion john.

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john_qyoo_public
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Posted - Jan 15 2010 : 9:06PM

Well, I'm taking a look back at all the 90s girls right now, and my jaw keeps dropping at all the quality poon. I think production is way better now, but sadly the women seem distinctly less attractive. It's possible I'm just going through the typical guy reaction to new poon, but I don't think so. Maybe at some point I'll make a list of the hottest women from the 90s, and we can all dig up the hottest women of the aughties, and we can compare.
I'm also struck by how many of these gorgeous women made tons of movies. Over a hundred films is more norm than exception. On the other hand, they had sex for a fraction of the time per scene that they have today.
TLS, that's a good argument about camera quality. Yes, it's harder for makeup and lighting to hide a girls flaws these days.
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Posted - Jan 15 2010 : 9:52PM

Here's the scoop. Today there is an endless number of niche topics covering porn so you get a watered down porn product that is not always put much effort into by directors.
For example, TODAY, anyone can be in porn. We have girls who are pregnant who can do porn, we have women or men of any age, amateurs of all types,and even geriatrics into their 70s, 80s doing porn. We have obese girls in porn, featured by Rodney Moore (Whale Watchers) and Score studio keeps cranking out this crap. We have a ton of transexual porn seldom shown in the 90s. We have just about anything you can imagine today.
I agree the quality of porn was better in the 90s but that has a lot to do with your particular taste.
A proliferation of hideous niche topics infiltrating our homes has led to the disdain and condemnation of some of us more traditional porn viewers.
Nebulous also frowns upon the fecal matter we have to put up with. I attribute it to greedy studios exploiting anyone, including putting grandma and grandpa on camera to make a profit.

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Posted - Jan 15 2010 : 9:59PM

^I still think there are more hot girls in porn today and as a porn fan i am reaping the benefits of this,it's a great time to be a porn fan from the Euro girls to the major stars who grace the best labels and the fact that there are so many niche markets makes the choice even better for porn fans.There is something for everyone these days i am more than happy with the choice i have regarding porn,could a porn fan from the 90's feel the same? I am sure the 90's hold a special appeal to a lot of fans but im still glad for todays porn.

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john_qyoo_public
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Posted - Jan 15 2010 : 10:04PM

Maybe the explosion of cable TV had something to do with it. A lot of these 90s gals look like they were downsized out of Hollywood. Maybe these days these girls are doing reality TV or something.

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Posted - Jan 15 2010 : 10:09PM

Nebulous, I was thinking about something along those lines, too. Like the less attractive girls who are willing to do ANYTHING drove all the high class looking poon out. It's amazing how many of these women look like they could have made it in Hollywood, with hard bodies and great looking boob jobs.
But I have to disagree that porn was so much better back then. So much of it was crap in terms of production, you could tell there wasn't much competition. I watched a few scenes with Stacy Valentine a couple days ago. They were all varying levels of crap, about 10% stroke footage and 90% gyno-closeups and lame angles, with way too many angle changes. And the sex was waaay too brief, never mind the 10 second BJs.
This is what makes the nose-dive such a tragedy. It would be great to see Jeanna Fine or K.C. Williams (who? Just one of a bevy of stunning 90s chicks nobody's ever heard of because even though they'd be top ten today, they were nothing special back then) or Dyanna Lauren doing scenes up to today's improved standards.
Stink, I move we leave Euro porn out of it for the moment. Let's just keep it to the domestic producers (including imported talent).
Edited by - john_qyoo_public on 1/15/2010 10:13:47 PM

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Posted - Jan 15 2010 : 10:26PM

Ok john(i cant fight anyway lol),it is a topic that is rife for debate-do you think that the stars from the 90's with the advances in camera quality/directors etc would be a match for todays crop of stars.

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Posted - Jan 15 2010 : 10:34PM

john,
I am a big viewer of adult DVDs, never buy anything, but I rent as many as 8-10 DVDs each week (briefly breaking entirely from it) and have been viewing porn since the very early 80s.
Over the past couple years, I have found that I only enjoy 1 out of every 5 DVDs I view. The other 4 DVDs range from terrible, barely tolerable to mediocre at best. So, with only 20% of DVDs worth seeing it is hard to say that porn has not deteriorated. I've also rented most of the classics and viewed tens of thousands of titles over this span. I do look and anticipate all classic releases, particularly from Alpha Blue Archives but to sum it up, the porn today is crap compared to years ago.
I'm still eager to view titles, just my expectations when I play a title are quite low. In fact, I have my finger on the remote fast forward button
most of the time. Isn't worth my time to waste watching an entire title. I look for something really hot to pop up which does from time to time.

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Posted - Jan 15 2010 : 10:44PM

We disagree, no biggie. But you do seem to have watched way more vintage porn than I have. The oldest stuff I've watched has been from the late 90s. I've watched a good bit of stuff from the aughties, including gonzo and features and Euro porn. Maybe our tastes are just different. Of the older stuff I have (a lot of it is comps of hotties like Chasey or Stacy Valentine) I notice the sex is much briefer. Do we agree on that?
Anyhow, I want to start collecting some of these older flicks for the best of the now-extinct California models-hardbody stars. Want to recommend some outlets? I've never gotten into the downloadable stuff but I notice a fair amount of it is listed as available by IAFD. One thing I wonder about is if this stuff could ever be re-released in a higher definition format since VHS is practically obsolete. I also wonder about "DVDRentz." I've heard that they don't have half the stuff that IAFD says they do and I wonder if I should bother with them.

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Posted - Jan 15 2010 : 10:49PM

Just goes to show how important perspective is. We all know that there's was WAY more porn produced in the aughties than the nineties. Take your 1 in 5 comment - just throw out those 4/5ths and compare the 1 in 5 that's good to what was produced in the nineties. I bet there's still more product available from the aughties. Not that it's better than the stuff from the nineties. I guess I'm just saying that I wouldn't care at all about those 4/5ths if it weren't for the fact that the top quality poon all dried up.
Maybe they all just moved out of California.

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Posted - Jan 15 2010 : 10:53PM

I "think" some of the older Buttman classics made it onto dvd,maybe someone who really knows can weigh in with the correct answer.

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john_qyoo_public
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Posted - Jan 15 2010 : 10:54PM

Not trying to fight about it. I want to know what happened to all the great poon, damnit! :) Where are my 20 minute gonzo scenes with the likes of Stacy Valentine or Chasey damnit!
To answer your question, I'm still looking through the 90s girls, so I'll withhold judgment. But it isn't looking good for the aughties. I'm looking up pics of each gal on Freeones. Even with the older softer lighting, there's no way to hide their superior features. A nose doesn't move or change shape just because of a soft lens or lighting or a different hairstyle. And they can't explain away the devastating body that Celeste had.
And on second thought, the technical argument doesn't really wash. If the new cameras make the girls look worse, then they should either compensate, or go back to lower resolution cameras.

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Posted - Jan 15 2010 : 11:07PM

I can still honestly say that 90's porn does not do a lot for me,i am not knocking anyone who loves that era or the stars that were performing back then,i just do not get that spark,that magic that kicks in when watching a porno movie from the 90's and i guess all the 90's lovers will feel the same way about today's current crop of porn.

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Posted - Jan 16 2010 : 12:48AM

As someone who has been in the industry for almost 20 years, let me just say that the 90's did indeed feature some super-hot female talent but let me just run a few names by you...
Tori Black
Rebecca Linares
Alexis Texas
(I would also mention our 3 contract girls but that would seem like pandering)
Not to mention that there a few girls from the 90's who look even better in 2010: Lisa Ann, Julia Ann, Francesca Le'
In my opinion, the calibre of girls who decide to step before the camera has never been higher than it is today.

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Posted - Jan 16 2010 : 12:56AM

john,
I am a current member of this company renting DVDs. They go by not one name but several names based upon your rental arrangement. I only joined them a month ago since BushDVD had their unfortunate fire that destroyed most of their inventory so I sought a temporary replacement. I found a lot about this establishment (DVDRentz and their aliases) in dealing with them as a customer which may be of interest, actually will be of interest if you rent DVDs.

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Posted - Jan 16 2010 : 1:07AM

Nebulous, thanks that would be great. Sorry to hear about Bush, I was planning on going back to them soon. I hope they were well insured.

Tori's pretty easy on the eyes. I was shocked when I first saw her because she seemed so far above the pack these days. But she's hardly a hardbody. Rebecca's wonderful. A perfect body and I don't see how anyone could ask for a better performer. Her face is very cute too. Alexis Texas is drop-dead gorgeous but she's way too heavy for my tastes.

I think guys who are heavy into variety would agree with you. Let me put it this way. There are tons of 7s and 8s around, but the 9s have dried up. If you're into variety, today's situation suits you. Me, I'm the kind of viewer who finds a 9 and buys 20 or more of her DVDs.
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Posted - Jan 16 2010 : 1:20AM

So Mike, what's your insider's take? I don't see how it can only be about money. Vivid doesn't have nearly the stable it used to.

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john_qyoo_public
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Posted - Jan 16 2010 : 1:30AM

Maybe the internet made it so much easier for escorts to network and screen clients that the 9s all went off screen?

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Mike Quasar
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Posted - Jan 16 2010 : 1:33AM

I think it's simply because there are now literally a thousand girls who do porn. When Vivid pioneered the contract girl concept, porn was much more underground and the Tori Blacks of the day were immediately snatched up (Janine, Chasey Lane etc). The were a handful of other girls of that caliber who remained on the free market but I can remember vividly (pardon the pun) trying to book movies in the early 90's where we just couldn't find anyone that we thought was hot. The roster of A list girls then was very shallow. Off the top of my head: Tiffany Mynx, Leena, Alicia Rio, J.R Carrington, Kelly O'dell and a handful of others. Maybe it's because the sheer volume of female talent available today all begin to blend together.

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Dan
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Posted - Jan 16 2010 : 3:35AM

How hot a woman is depends not just on her looks but also on the quality of sex she is having.
Perhaps now there are some pretty good looking ladies like Alexis Texas who have done a lot of pussy only or lesbian scenes. But that's not the type of porn I enjoy watching. And for this reason, these good-looking ladies don't do much for me.
In 1990s and early 2000s, a lot of good-looking euro-ladies flooded the porn market. And most of these ladies were willing to have wild anal and DP sex with the guys. That's why the porn of that period was hotter than it is now.
If Alexis Texas starts doing DPs and starts spreading her nice ass for the anal guys in every porn scene she does. Then she definitely would raise the temperature of today's porn. But I'll believe it when I see it.
It's a well known fact that the porn industry isn't making as much money now as before. And this probably limits the amount of money attractive women can make in porn. Which discourages many of them from joining the porn industry.
And now the standard of living is better in many eastern european countries. Which means that women from there aren't flooding the porn industry anymore. These women can make good money in many other ways besides porn. Which means that wild euro ladies willing to spread their nice asses for the horny guys aren't as available as before.

Edited by - Dan on 1/16/2010 3:40:42 AM

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Posted - Jan 16 2010 : 4:42AM

I really think that's it Mike. And it wasn't uncommon to see a combination of Mynx, Leena, Alicia, and J.R. in any given movie back then. Today you be much more pressed to see that kind of well-known and top notch talent in any given film, plus today's films generally aren't made like that anyway. Now I'm lucky if I recognize more than 2 females in any given film...your films excluded Mike. The beauty and talent is way more abundant these days, it just takes forever to sift through them since I don't know 3/4 of those 1,000+. I'd say that porn is simply a victim of it's own success. I know Jim South's office was literally being overrun with women wanting to get in a few years ago.

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Posted - Jan 16 2010 : 5:00AM

I agree with those who say the girls used to be way hotter. Now, way too many girls are tatted up and out of shape. Part of the reason is that America as a whole is tatted up and out of shape. How amazing would it have been if the technology that exists today had been around back in the early to mid 80's? Shauna Grant in high def would have been heavenly.

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Posted - Jan 16 2010 : 6:02AM

I have to strongly disagree, the 90s were one of the worst eras for porn, most of it is already unwatchable. I pretty much gave up on porn half way through the decade because it was so poorly shot and lifeless.

Edited by - BlackSix on 1/16/2010 6:07:07 AM

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Posted - Jan 16 2010 : 8:07AM

in superficial appearance the standouts i think of are Isabella Camille, Rebecca Lord, Faye Reagan, and Sasha Grey. i have seen some 80s and 90s porn. cheesy music and three minute scenes that end before the end of the fake orgasm.

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Posted - Jan 16 2010 : 12:08PM

Tobias is right about the out of shape thing. I built my list by going through Vivid's list and checking all the 90s movies at IAFD and looking at the headshots. I've been checking the best prospects by looking them up at Freeones. NONE of these girls has turned out to be anything but a hardbody. Some of their faces have turned out to be less than their headshots make them out, but they've all had head turning bods. They all look like they belong in music videos. And I don't even know how many 90s hotties I've missed who never worked for Vivid.
I can't believe the argument that they're around today but lost in the crowd. Vivid and Wicked have the best looking gals in porn and they don't match the girls working for Vivid in the 90s. If there were more top quality poon today than there were in the 90s, shouldn't Vivid have a better stable today than they did in the 90s?
Sure, a girls watchability isn't just about looks, but that doesn't mean we haven't had a dip in what's out there in terms of looks.

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Posted - Jan 16 2010 : 12:13PM

I'm always a little tickled by these laments for the Good Old Days.
Much of what we percieve as the superiority of the past is that ther's a lot more of it: we remember the best of it and the worst of it -- like intense physical pain -- we forget. That's only human and we are almost helpless not to do it.
Also, ten or twenty years from now, people will be here (long live ADT!) yearning for the hot girls and better porn of thr 2010's.
Nothing's happened to the quality of today's porn, except that it's today's porn. I'm not saying it's good--most of it isn't, but on the whole it will be judged by porn posterity as no worse or no better that any other time's.
Of course, you are entitled to your opinion and respect for it.

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Posted - Jan 16 2010 : 2:13PM

Duefuss, what I'm noticing in this thread is the opposite, the "got to admit it's getting better" myth of progress.
And I've stated repeatedly that porn has gotten better, while the 9s have all disappeared.
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Posted - Jan 16 2010 : 2:53PM

People in general are getting dumpier these days. Watch any movie from the 70's or 80's. Everyone was so thin back then. Probably because they weren't eating so many trans fats and chugging it all down with a liter of Coke. So what is porn? - Just a reflection of society in general. The population as a whole is fatter and more out of shape. So, it's to be expected that the girls in the porn are also fatter and more out of shape. It's sad really. All it takes is a little awareness of what's going in your mouth. My own revelation came last year when I noticed myself getting a little pooch, which dismayed me since I've always been in shape. I quit consuming carbonated drinks. I lost ten pounds in three months. [edited -flash] In the 70's and 80's, people wouldn't have paid to see that. So why do so now?
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Edited by - Flash on 1/17/2010 2:01:47 PM

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TeganLovesSara
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Posted - Jan 16 2010 : 4:14PM

^^
But surely you won't deny that the public's idea of "what is pretty" changes over time.

Edited by - teganlovessara on 1/16/2010 5:14:28 PM

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Tobias
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Posted - Jan 16 2010 : 4:36PM

Absolutely. However, cellulite is NOT currently considered attractive. Yet, porn keeps trotting out all these girls with cellulite riddled butts and thighs and touting them as the next big thing. That creates a disconnect with audiences and results in a dissatisfaction with the overall product.

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ninja1
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Posted - Jan 16 2010 : 4:42PM

I think it's unfair to misuse Alexis Texas in this manner. Alexis Texas is part of the thick/bigbooty porn niche. There are plenty of guys who love a thicker/curvier/mature body type, to whom cellulite and dimples and minor nitpicky imperfections are unimportant. And guys who are nitpicky over the nitpicky imperfections should just move on to something else. The porn world is a big place. Thanks to everything being a niche or genre nowadays, it's easy to avoid the things you don't like. Yeah they may sneak in a sex act you weren't expecting, but the dvd title and cast list and boxcover photos generally tell you what type of girls are gonna be on the dvd.
I remember when I needed to be a detective to find movies containing thick girls, and then it was only 1 scene out of 5 or 6. The porn producers are finally waking up and realizing the marketplace wants more than a narrowly-defined vision of sexy. You just have to work a little harder to find the thinner girls. No biggie.

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DJboutit2
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Posted - Jan 16 2010 : 5:59PM

All the lame dumb talkin at the begining of scenes from sites like Bangabros & Realitykings just get to the good stuff already
Illegal downloading
Goverment trying to shut down like 60% to 70% of porn trying to get a union for the porn industry

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stinkfist
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Posted - Jan 16 2010 : 11:52PM

Tobias,i strongly disagree with you sentiments towards Alexis-not all of of us like the stick insect type performer but any Alexis title that i have,i bought because i am into the type of body shape/curves that she has and for you to say that she is hideous is way of the mark.Just my opinion Tobias.
[mod edit: just cleaning up. thx.]

Edited by - savoy on 1/17/2010 5:32:23 PM

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Pornication
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Posted - Jan 17 2010 : 6:03AM

Here we go again! Another dude who jerks off to Skeletons trying to pass off his own taste as The Universal Truth, labeling perfectly gorgeous women as 'heavy' and 'chunky' so he can pretend the anorexic chicks he likes are 'normal'!
%80 of porn chicks today already conform to your scrawny ideal. Check out the Model List section of BangBros, Brazzers or any other site, and you'll see pic after pic of women so emaciated you feel like you clicked on a Holocaust survivors gallery!
The truth is the exact opposite of your claim. The last decade has seen a flood of shapeless, malnourished women who couldn't have made it as a Fluffer back in the 90's.
Part of the joy of porn used to be the fantasy that the girl is the sexy bartender, stripper, or the hot chick you saw at the beach. Today, most girls in porn are so skeletal they look nothing like the hot, normal women I see in real life. Talk about a 'disconnect' for the consumer!
As for Alexis, if any thing, I'm disappointed she's lost some of her thickness since she started. In her first scene for Bangbros she was one of the hottest women I've ever seen anywhere.

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jezzard
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Posted - Jan 17 2010 : 7:13AM

I agree with pretty much everything that has been said. Aestheticaly speaking, I think "better quality" meant a lack of quality and killed the spirit, i.e. digital production, HD film, shaved vaginas, fake breasts, dull idiotic gonzo taking over from from that really sexy live videotape look that still existed into the early 90s, chicks with pumps, natural breasts, sexy make up, performers who although were no Meryl Streep or Richard Burton still had a lot of charisma, etc. Hence the overwhelming majority of porn (always lesbian, hetero doesn't really do it for me) I watch is usually mid 80s to early 90s.
BTW, I do enjoy a lot of modern flicks too, I have seen a lot of pointless garbage from 1988, and some really cool stuff from 2005, so don't get me wrong.

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charn
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Posted - Jan 17 2010 : 12:43PM

i forgot Aria Giovanni.

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BlackSix

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Posted - Jan 17 2010 : 5:04PM

You must be watching a different 90s as shaved vaginas, fake tits, gonzo dominance was the distinguishing feature of the 90s. 'Lesbian' video by the likes of Bruce Seven was even worse, completely fake. The mid-80s is when the classic era died and horrible-looking video productions took over. I think you're looking at the past through rose-coloured glasses.

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RandomPrecision
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Posted - Jan 17 2010 : 5:36PM

That depends on -
1. Who you ask
2. The amount of it and what it looks like.
I happen to like fatty butts, hips and thighs. It does get out of hand and as usual, the porn industry has a tendency to go way overboard with everything. I couldn't care less what most people consider attractive though so I guess that's just me.

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RandomPrecision
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Enjoy!
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Posted - Jan 17 2010 : 6:30PM

I'm not sure there's been a substantial decline in general attractiveness. But, some possible contributing factors -
1. Drugs. I'm thinking specifically about drugs like meth. I don't know a lot about it but it seems to be a devastating drug from what I've seen of people who use it.
2. Girls who push themselves too hard and don't get enough R&R.
3. Any girl who's doing anal more than once a week is probably doing it too frequently. Considering that an anal scene in porn has to be "clean", I'm sure there must be a lot of enema use going on. That can't be good on a frequent basis.
4. Eating disorders and related things. With the rise of the internet, the girls can read what everybody and their brother has to say about them. There are a lot of ignorant fucks who wouldn't know a hot woman from the ass end of a mule trying to tell them they're too fat or too thin or too this or that. If you hear something often enough, you might start believing it. Consider a lot of these ladies are still young. Many get into this line of work not only for the money but because they seek approval and compliments from others so they are very susceptible to criticism.
5. Cosmetic surgery. This is a big one. Many girls look amazing when they come into the business (As evidenced by the fact that they get noticed in the first place) only to try and improve upon perfection (for whatever reason). This general ends up with poorly thought out and executed cosmetic modifications that are shockingly obvious and bad. I'm really baffled by this one but I guess the same thing that causes eating disorders causes beautiful women to think they're not attractive enough and deludes them into the belief that an absolutely atrocious implant looks better than what put them on the map in the first place.
6. General lack of discretion across the board. Evidently, in the porn biz, the director is the guy most responsible for the final product and I have to say many of them are doing a terrible job. I wish I was educated enough in these things to point out exactly what they're doing wrong but it's sufficient to say that if they really wanted to do better, they could learn to (if in fact it's a deficiency of talent rather than lack of caring). I think it's due to the fact that anyone who can point a camera can make porn and the public isn't too picky. To the extent that porn still sells, I would guess that the worst porn sells at least as well as the very best porn. I can see where that would be discouraging.
7. The tendency for all porn stars to mimic the most successful porn stars (as evidenced by the tradition of very similar names). The most successful porn stars are not necessarily the best. Many people have terrible taste in many things (including women). If you like the top porn stars of the day, you're probably going to have more than enough to keep you busy at all times. If not, you're going to be unfulfilled with almost all of the porn that comes along. I've seen some signs that this might be changing somewhat but it seems that no matter how amazing a new girl is, it isn't long before she starts morphing into "The porn star".
8. Tattoos. It's not even enough to say that if they were good tattoos, they wouldn't be so bad. As is so often said, I have never seen a tattoo improve on a girl's appearance. Ever. I've seen some that were cute and cool but all I could think about is how amazing the girl would be without that damn tattoo.

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BlackSix

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Posted - Jan 17 2010 : 6:32PM

I don't buy that the girls of the past were better looking than today. Delusional.

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Dan
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Posted - Jan 17 2010 : 9:55PM

^^^
Not everyone's taste in porn is the same.
Some guys like artificially enhanced boobs, piercings, and tatoos. And for them, present day porn women look better than the porn women of the past look.
But other guys like naturally wholesome women like Seka, Tanya Fox, Kay Parker, Buffy Davis, and Samantha Strong. And for them, porn women of the past look better.
In matters of personal preference and taste, it's a waste of time to seek a common agreement. Because everyone is entitled to their own personal likes and dislikes as much as any other guy is entitled.
Edited by - Dan on 1/17/2010 9:58:47 PM

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realtip
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Posted - Jan 17 2010 : 10:36PM

I totally agree.
There were hot girls doing porn a decade ago. There are still plenty of hot girls doing porn now. I agree that people have their own tastes. But it also sounds like people just pining for the "good old days" again.

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BlackSix

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Posted - Jan 18 2010 : 3:48AM

No one here was arguing for fake boobs as better. The top porn performers of today don't match your description: Sasha Grey, Jenna Haze, Kristina Rose, Gianna.
You're also mixing your eras: Kay Parker and Seka were mainly performers in the 70s, by the late 80s and 90s the last thing you could describe the performers as is 'naturally wholesome.'
Fake boobs became the standard in the exact era the OP thinks was so great: mid-80s and throughout the 90s. If anything the girls today look way more 'natural' than in almost any other era outside of the 70s.

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RandomPrecision
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Posted - Jan 18 2010 : 4:02AM

I didn't say that but I do agree with some who feel that with the resources available to the biz today, the majority of porn could be much better and many of the girls do not look as good as they could if they took better care of themselves and the directors took the time to make them look their best. Like I said, it's getting better in some cases but progressively worse in others. The loss of revenue will certainly not help.

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charn
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Posted - Jan 18 2010 : 9:18PM

80s hair. many scenes of that time are marred by perms. if it's a perm and implant combo she might as well be a guy in a wig and stuffed bra.

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Savoy

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Posted - Jan 18 2010 : 9:33PM

What's naturally wholesome about hairspray and heroin?

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mrputitbackin
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Posted - Jan 25 2010 : 7:28PM

I think porn in the 90's was nastier, but the film quality and production values of porn is way better now. In the 90's you also had a gamut of anything goes eastern European girls like Silvia Saint, Cassandra Wilde, Nikki ANderson, LAura Black, there aren't as many european porn stars making it big in the current porn industry, and European porn stars tend to be less inhibited than American porn stars. The lighting and the music has imporved tremendously try lsitening to old Anabolic porno music and compare it to todays porno music.

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john_qyoo_public
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Posted - Jan 25 2010 : 11:02PM

The idea that there's no room in between overweight chicks like Texas and "sticks" or "skeletons" or "holocaust survivors" gets old. There's plenty. I like a woman with some "grab" to her but there's a limit. And some women carry the weight better than others. And Texas is way past "grab."
BlackSix's comments fit with my observations of the performers at IAFD. There was LOTS of silicone in the 90s. The difference is, you see a LOT fewer crappy boob jobs. I was amazed at all the great boob jobs. These chicks all look like southern California beach bunnies with great bods, cute or better faces, good tans, and killer boob jobs.
"I don't buy that the girls of the past were better looking than today. Delusional."
Nope, fact. We'll see when I'm done going through my list. Then I'll take on all comers in a chick-by-chick war, lol. The aughties will run out before I do.

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Finfrock
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Posted - Jan 26 2010 : 2:05AM

I strongly disagree with your contention that porn stars were hotter in the 90's but, hey, we all have different tastes and obviously this is highly subjective. To me, the golden age of porn was probably somewhere between 5-10 years ago; it seemed like there were a lot of hot girls who were good performers and they were cranking out a lot of hot and nasty scenes. I would agree that there seems to be less hot girls within the last couple of years (which I would attribute to the overall slow-down in porn production).
I would also agree that we really didn't see that many hot girls in porn until the 90s. I started watching porn around 1985 and the girls in those days were nowhere near the level that they are now.
IMO, the girls in the industry now are as hot as ever but there just doesn't seem to be as many good scenes as there were a few years ago. However, I really do think that the stuff that JJ is putting out now is as good as porn has ever been (very hot girls doing hardcore scenes with great camera work/production). I'm not kissing their ass just because they post on this site; I just have to give credit where it's due. And there are a few other studios still putting out great stuff as well (Evil Angel and a few others).

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