why 18 and 19 year old girls to get into porn

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cimfan Member 500 Posts 3/10	Posted - Mar 17 2010 : 7:02PM The single word answer is obviously money. But delving into it more deeply, having sex is something deeply personal. I was still a virgin at that age and getting into porn was the LAST thing on my mind. I'm not being judgmental here in the least. I just find it quite amazing that such young beautiful girls are so sexually experienced and are so eager to show off their talents on-screen like that. I mean, once you've done that it's out there forever for the world to see. What if your parents see it? Do you tell your parents what you are doing? What is the conversation like when you haven't even finished high school and you are telling your dad you want to get into porn? Can anyone share some insight? [Link]
The Ghost of Cal Jammer Senior Member 2207 Posts 7/09	Posted - Mar 17 2010 : 7:18PM I don't know why they do it. All I know is that a lot of them do it, and I thank the Lord Jesus Christ that they do, because watching 18 and 19 year old girls get fucked is one of life's great pleasures. I think the 18 and 19 year old girls know this, and aside from the money (but really, how much are some of these girls making? Some of them just do a handful of scenes. It's not like they are making enough in six months to support them for the next five years) that's why they do it. I'd like to think that the reason that a lot of these girls get into porn is because they like to fuck and they know that if they fuck the guys in porn they are going to probably get fucked better then they ever have. [Link]
Drebin Member 686 Posts 3/09	Posted - Mar 17 2010 : 7:49PM nice topic, i don't know exactly as to why but thankfully there are girls out there that are willing. the main motivation is definately the money but i think they would have to be fucking a lot in there personal life already to go through with it the porn i am into is exactly what the topic is about, hot young girls doing hardcore. my porn collection is made up of girls usually between 18-25 on average i am in my 20s and have been jerking off to porn for about 10 years and seen several of my favourites retire over the years, sometimes just after a hand full of scenes as mentioned keri sable, tiffany rayne just to name a couple. i guess they just grow out of it after eventually moving onto more hardcore stuff like anals and dp most of the ones i was into that are no longer doing porn provided a great selection of scenes for the wankers and i find there is always a scene that pops up that i never watched from back when they going all out [Link]
pat362 Senior Member 10083 Posts 3/10	Posted - Mar 17 2010 : 10:18PM I'd say the first word should be "legal". I suspect that many of those young ladies that start doing porn at 18 or 19 would have done so earlier if they legally could. Since the law says that 18 is legal age then that is why they start doing porn at that age. I don't know if that sounds like an exageration but somehow I don't think that Tracy Lords wanted to wait until she was 18 and that's why she got fake papers to start doing porn. The second word is quick as in quick cash. You can probably do quite well just by stripping and it won't involve having sex with strangers while a bunch of people look on. Of course stripping will mean days to make the same amount of money as one scene will earn you. There is the bonus that you can still strip if you want to. The third word is money because after all is said and done. These girls and guys don't get into it for the sex. That's the fantasy aspect for us viewers. The likelihood that a girl will have an orgasm during a porn shoot is about equivalent to an actor being well fed during the filming of a restaurant scene. [Link]
grover All-Star Member Literotica.com - grover10 16888 Posts 11/04	Posted - Mar 17 2010 : 10:21PM Ladies and Gentlemen, it's very simple. It has to do with simple economics! As they say, it's all about the Benjamins! Cha-Ching! $$$! [Link]

Algaliarept Senior Member 3557 Posts 7/08	Posted - Mar 17 2010 : 11:14PM cimfan wrote: The single word answer is obviously money. Click to expand uhh...YUP! [Link]
dexington steele Member 816 Posts 12/07	Posted - Mar 17 2010 : 11:45PM Money, but also ATTENTION. Young girls, like all women, enjoy positive attention. It could come from message board worship or fanboys at conventions, but it's all attention and likely more than they've ever received heretofore. Attention becomes a special form of currency for these girls. [Link]
jazzyfae728 Member 75 Posts 4/09	Posted - Mar 18 2010 : 4:21AM cimfan wrote: The single word answer is obviously money. Can anyone share some insight? Click to expand yes. i can share some insight. the answer is not just money, it's extreme naivete and not being old enough to understand the potential reprecussions realistically, if at all. also- many of these girls get approached asking if they want to "model" (happened to my ex-girlfriend when she was 17, but she was smart and knew the creep meant porn, and swiftly told him to fuck off), and have no clue what they're actually getting into and then are pressured to do it anyway or figure "well it's still LIKE modelling" or who knows. things like that, though. teenagers also tend to think they understand/know much more than they really do, and feel like they will live forever- most people don't realize life is real until they're over 21. life just seems like a really fun endless game when you're so young (18/19). [Link]
BlackSix All-Star Member pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07	Posted - Mar 18 2010 : 4:46AM All the reasons already mentioned but I think we would be fooling ourselves if we also didn't acknowledge that some of these women have troubled backgrounds, often involving mental, physical or sexual abuse and/or drug problems. Tied to this is also a very repressive religious upbringing. Jessi Summers is one recent performer whose stories confirm this. Not all of them of course, but to pretend that this isn't true of at least some of the performers (the percentage is always being debated) seems disingenuous. [Link]
cm37564 Senior Member 1105 Posts 9/05	Posted - Mar 18 2010 : 7:22AM Everytime they interview some hot new girl and she says she's 18 I feel a little disappointed. . . .and then their performances, in many cases, continue that trend of disappointment. (That is, if I'm not already too annoyed by their voices to continue) I thought Jenna Haze got WAY better with age, personally. The number one reason girls that young get into porn is the same reason they do anything else. . .ATTENTION They'd be trying to do reality television if they weren't doing porn Edited by - cm37564 on 3/18/2010 7:24:03 AM [Link]
jrsl76 Senior Member Perfection 4024 Posts 8/07	Posted - Mar 18 2010 : 10:01AM Whatever the reason, I thank them. because I receive the benefit. I love 18 and 19 year old girls like a junkie loves crack. [Link]
taylor_swift_tasty_feet Member 367 Posts 1/10	Posted - Mar 18 2010 : 1:01PM The Barely Legal stuff if my fave I LOVE beautiful teen-aged girls ! The girly voices laughter TIGHT bodies Fresh baby faces softer feet,skin,ETC ALL is great! This is why I NEVER bother w/ the 'cougar' stuff a 40 Y/O can never compete with an 18 Y/O in my book,as a rule I prefer 30 & under. [Link]
duefuss Member Not a shred of evidence exists in favor of the idea that life is serious - Brendan Gill 723 Posts 4/09	Posted - Mar 18 2010 : 1:42PM Algaliarept wrote: cimfan wrote: The single word answer is obviously money. Click to expand uhh...YUP! Click to expand I doubt that it's always that simple, and even where it IS the conscious motive, if money were sufficient inducement to do porn, I expect there'd be a LOT more aspirants. There's no quetion for me that there are many factors contribute to the decision to do porn, including ego and self image to empowerment and even altruism. [Link]
torris Senior Member Deep within Mila's anus 1827 Posts 1/00	Posted - Mar 18 2010 : 2:42PM I've given this a lot of thought and it is why I think the feminist organizations are wrong to be down on porn. Too many "coastal elites" graduating from Ivy League schools who have never had to worry about falling through the cracks b/c of their lack of savings, opportunities or employment possibilities. So if your 18 and 19 and female you really have an edge in maximizing money if you're willing to do sex in front of the camera. You don't even have to be all that cute, (plenty of ugly women in porn), you just have to be willing. B/c this isn't the Olympics, I don't look down on Six Pack Pamela b/c she gives lousy blowjobs. Ideally I'm very easy to please: smile on your face, disrobe, shake your tail feather a little bit,suck, fuck, anal, atm, facial, smile. NEXT!!! So if you've just graduated from high school and college is too expensive (the University I work for just raised tuition for next year by 10%) or maybe you're broke and can't pay for your car repair or root canal. Or maybe you want to move out of your parents house. Or you have a kid and the meth head father hit the road. What are the options for this unappreciated demographic? Sling burgers or change bed pans for minimum wage? Fock that. I would imagine a girl if she didn't snort her earnings or have to support/bailout her Suitcase Pimp, you could get a nice nest egg going with plenty of opportunities: porn DVDs, stirpping, escorting, web work (I'm seeing lots of topshelf talent doing stuff on their own without needing to go the corporate porn route: go to freeones.ca and call up Gigi Spice and Tania Spice for two examples). Fock student loans. IN Jamaica they said that selling marijuana was the "poor man's banker". A way for impoverished and working people to get a little cash together to start a bicicyle repair shop or restaurant. SAme with porn. I'm 45 and I've been in and out of porn shops since I was 21. Never have the girls been so many, so good looking, so exotic (soon there will be AFghani and Iraqi porn to enjoy), so willing to do nasty stuff like anal, atm, etc. And it's not like this current gov't gives a shit about the employment opportunities for Global Millenials. So porn ought to be a likely career choice for young women trapped in dead end circustances So the next time Gloria STeinem talks about the evils of pornography someone needs to shut her up by talking about how women are just maximizing their evolutionary advantage and in reality exploiting male (mostly) necessity in our evolutionary responsibility in seeking new pussy to plant our seed. Even if in this case the reality is the voyeuristic consumption of porn instead of actually talking to a girl. And Gloria and her ilk should be proud that the wages for women are double or triple that of the men who they work side by side (er, on top of). [Link]
Dean Wormer Senior Member Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life, son. 1048 Posts 7/04	Posted - Mar 18 2010 : 3:10PM They get into porn for the same reason when Larry Kroger asked John Blutarsky why his Delta Tau Chai name was Pinto: Why not? [Link]

Rosco Fuji Deactivated User On the licking stick, Mr. Magic Dick! 3309 Posts 2/09	Posted - Mar 18 2010 : 3:19PM Why do 18 year old girls get into porn? I'm not knocking anyone's choices as I appreciate 18 year olds doing porn. In an interview segment of a dvd, Kitty and another girl told the camera point blank that they did porn because they're lazy, pure and simple. I'd bet that most girls getting into porn think they are going to be the next big thing ALA Jenna and make big bucks in a short period of time. Even if they make some bucks, its cash in cash out. Gotta get the purse and sunglasses first, first three scenes. Then a Hyundai won't do, so gotta get a ride, so there's the next 20 scenes a year,etc. As far as the whole, I'm doing porn to pay my way through school, yeah right. Maybe for a few; but overall, not a chance. Same goes with stripping. It's not like these girls are going to Ivy league schools and/or paying off student loans. Maybe a few, but overall, no. Young girls doing porn and earning cash is a little like being a professional athelete. A very short earning potential. Mike Tyson made over 200 million in his career, and has almost nothing to show for it. Reasons being; 7th grade education and got punched in the head for a living, and sponges sucking him dry. There was an article on here a while back about a forner porn star who spent all her money on flashy items, Benz, etc, and after the bookings stopped, went back to mom and dad and is now driving a hand me down beater with absolutely nothing to show for her porn career but still has the stigma following her. As far as telling the parents, the overwhelming theme in the interview sessions is that the dad is not in the picture. Regarding the girl's performances, there was an article in Details magazine a few months ago about the Pornification of Amercia. The tone of the article was that most of today's youth learn about sex from porn. Actually quite interesting read. Kind of amusing in that most teenage boys who haven't had sex yet but have seen porn think a facial is standard procedure in real life. Same thing with young girls entering porn. They've seen enough porn to hit the ground running when it comes time to film. Edited by - rosco fuji on 3/18/2010 3:32:16 PM [Link]
torris Senior Member Deep within Mila's anus 1827 Posts 1/00	Posted - Mar 18 2010 : 4:14PM Rosco Fuji wrote: As far as telling the parents, the overwhelming theme in the interview sessions is that the dad is not in the picture. Click to expand That would be an intersting quantitative research project or dissertation. The family demographics of porn starlets. Any academic research done in this area? [Link]
cimfan Member 500 Posts 3/10	Posted - Mar 18 2010 : 5:52PM What an excellent bunch of replies - thanks everyone! I just want to respond to the point about attention. These girls are DROP DEAD GORGEOUS. I mean look at someone like Brooke Van Buuren, Monica Sweetheart or Lexi Belle. I seriously doubt any of them are lacking for male attention. The way I see it (and this is based on not really understanding the world of a 19 year old girl) they would turn heads and stop traffic no matter where they go or how they dress. Also, if attention is what they want, isn't this one of the worst ways to do it? I mean, your face is on permanent record as having done all sorts of "nasty" things. What if you are recognized in the future, say if you wanted a position of public reconaisance? I hope I'm not coming across as judgmental here. Maybe I lead a sheltered existence (I don't) but at that age starring in porn was not something I would consider. At that age the girls were never interested in re-ships, wanted to have fun, go to school, be busy with their jobs and family etc. They won't get into a re-ship but will do porn? Isn't the latter far more 'dangerous'? The money can't be THAT great. What do they get for a scene, two grand? That won't change anyone's life, but the consequences of porn will (?). I obviously don't have a clue but this is one of those highly fascinating topics to me. Please keep the replies coming and if any of the performers I'm talking about would like to offer their 2 cents I would love to learn from and hear your POV. Remember, not here to judge, but to understand. :) [Link]
shinebox101 Member 198 Posts 11/07	Posted - Mar 18 2010 : 5:56PM I don't know but it probably has to do with their up bringing. I prefer 25 year old women anyway. Women in their mid 20s are the real deal. [Link]
cimfan Member 500 Posts 3/10	Posted - Mar 18 2010 : 6:00PM pat362 wrote: I'd say the first word should be "legal". I suspect that many of those young ladies that start doing porn at 18 or 19 would have done so earlier if they legally could. Since the law says that 18 is legal age then that is why they start doing porn at that age. I don't know if that sounds like an exageration but somehow I don't think that Tracy Lords wanted to wait until she was 18 and that's why she got fake papers to start doing porn. Click to expand Very interesting, pat. This is something I think about a lot, actually. It's really contradictory when you consider that the media goes to great lengths to paint everyone under the age of 18 as a child. For instance, there was a story about an 18 year old boyfriend of a 16 year old girl filming their encounters, then when they broke up he was resentful that she was cheating with her new bf, so he started posting the stuff online. The law went after him for possession of kiddie porn! I mean c'mon. She knew full well what she was doing and consented to it. I guess there has to be a line drawn somewhere, I just have a hard time imagining hot teenagers (always been elusive for me particularly at that age when I was chasing them haha) who don't seem to take anything seriously, being so serious so as to make their way down to California and get into filming. And when you see their performances wow, how did they get so good at it at such a young age?? [Link]
duefuss Member Not a shred of evidence exists in favor of the idea that life is serious - Brendan Gill 723 Posts 4/09	Posted - Mar 18 2010 : 6:15PM The fact that younger girls seem to be thought of by producers as a major selling feature of their stuff may have much to do with, perhaps the ease of getting work or an agent's persuasion of younger girls to become actors. I think a lot of the appeal of porn acting to young girls is probably present in all media. That appeal is certainly older than the porn business itself. The image of the young starry eyed girl determined to make it big on the stage or in the movies is so old that it's become trite. Not just money, but the notoriety, the thought of sexually arousing even millions of men must be powerful forces in the decision to do porn. [Link]
Holly D Member Punk Porn Princess 302 Posts 2/09	Posted - Mar 19 2010 : 6:44AM ok so I got into porn when I was 20, not 18 or 19 but still pretty close. I can honestly say that money was not my main motive for getting in to porn. In my private off camera life, I live a swingers life style, going to different clubs most weeks and having lots of wild sex with lots of different people. Through going to swingers and fetish clubs, I met someone from Playboy TV who covering a fetish event for one of thier shows, and he suggested that I would make a good pornstar. I thought it would be great if I could turn doing what I love so much into a career and I havnt looked back since. Obviously I wouldnt do it for free just for the fun of it as this is my job and I need to make a living from it, but money deffinatly wasnt the driving force behind me getting into the industry. Im an intelligent girl, I have been to college and have a stack of qualifications that could get me a higher paid career in a entirly different industry but it wouldnt be half as much fun as a career in the porn industry. [Link]
LucyAdams Member 71 Posts 3/10	Posted - Mar 19 2010 : 7:08AM Holly D wrote: ok so I got into porn when I was 20, not 18 or 19 but still pretty close. I can honestly say that money was not my main motive for getting in to porn. In my private off camera life, I live a swingers life style, going to different clubs most weeks and having lots of wild sex with lots of different people. Through going to swingers and fetish clubs, I met someone from Playboy TV who covering a fetish event for one of thier shows, and he suggested that I would make a good pornstar. I thought it would be great if I could turn doing what I love so much into a career and I havnt looked back since. Obviously I wouldnt do it for free just for the fun of it as this is my job and I need to make a living from it, but money deffinatly wasnt the driving force behind me getting into the industry. Im an intelligent girl, I have been to college and have a stack of qualifications that could get me a higher paid career in a entirly different industry but it wouldnt be half as much fun as a career in the porn industry. Click to expand well said Holly....congrats! [Link]
melt Pornstar Diplomat The pride of Manchester 3763 Posts 1/09	Posted - Mar 19 2010 : 7:52AM What a fascinating topic and some very insightful replies so far. I started a thread about one year back and cannot find it now "why are all 18year old American girls joining the porn industry" - Obviously tongue in cheek. The economy was and still is depressed so not a huge amount of job opportunities out there. We had just experienced a flash flood of very hot newbies entering the industry and it was almost impossible to keep track of them all. My view is that every single girl has her own unique reasons for first entering the biz. Money must be just one important factor but there are many other reasons as well. I know a lot more about the biz now than I did a year ago and although the girls can earn a reasonable sum per shoot I am now aware of just how much it costs them in personal maintenance (hair nails make-up tanning gyming and work related clothes) just to mention a few of the expenses. Travelling and AIM testing is also not for free. I have become friendly with about a 20 girls that I chat with regularly on twitter and each and every one of their stories are in fact unique. Thanks HollyD for sharing yours, [Link]
MadForPorn Member 63 Posts 2/10	Posted - Mar 24 2010 : 5:31AM Most of the girls (95% - 99%) of porn are from poor or lower class family or they have bad events in their childhood. In maximum cases their their family relationship was not good. They were abused in their childhood. Sasha Grey had a very poor past. Its really pathetic to see such cute and young girls are getting into porn so early. Some of them probably want to big star. But What they actually earn from this Industry?. I read one of the interview of Sierra Sinn in which she said that the girls who left from the industry can't leave with a lot money, in her words, with nothing. For her first scene she got only $800!. She needed to go to some NGO for her recovery! I was really astonished hearing the name of Mallory. She lost her virginity on camera! How poor the girl is! First sex is a dream for every man and woman. And sex is to be practiced in private. Moreover, that was her first sex! What type of Mentality is this! Lea De Mae died of Cancer. She couldn't make the money for her treatment. One of her fan argued to Hustler that Hustler earned at least $10 million from her movies. So he advised them to donate a portion. But what happened? She died without treatment. Daniella Rush got some car accident and she had to return to her family to bare the hospital cost! So the fans, the girls the star and our dream. They are fulfilling our fantasy, but what are they getting from this industry? Edited by - MadForPorn on 3/24/2010 5:33:37 AM [Link]

Jaktarn Senior Member 4798 Posts 5/05	Posted - Mar 24 2010 : 12:32PM MadForPorn wrote: Most of the girls (95% - 99%) of porn are from poor or lower class family or they have bad events in their childhood. In maximum cases their their family relationship was not good. They were abused in their childhood. Sasha Grey had a very poor past. Its really pathetic to see such cute and young girls are getting into porn so early. Some of them probably want to big star. But What they actually earn from this Industry?. I read one of the interview of Sierra Sinn in which she said that the girls who left from the industry can't leave with a lot money, in her words, with nothing. For her first scene she got only $800!. She needed to go to some NGO for her recovery! I was really astonished hearing the name of Mallory. She lost her virginity on camera! How poor the girl is! First sex is a dream for every man and woman. And sex is to be practiced in private. Moreover, that was her first sex! What type of Mentality is this! Lea De Mae died of Cancer. She couldn't make the money for her treatment. One of her fan argued to Hustler that Hustler earned at least $10 million from her movies. So he advised them to donate a portion. But what happened? She died without treatment. Daniella Rush got some car accident and she had to return to her family to bare the hospital cost! So the fans, the girls the star and our dream. They are fulfilling our fantasy, but what are they getting from this industry? Click to expand Great thread! Madforporn, very insightful reply. I to believe soceity is way to hars on pornstars. I live in sweden and nowadays we hardly have any "professional" porn just amateur stuff and blogs and its mostly due to an doublemoral when it comes to sex. We have several examples of realityshows where guys and girls fucks on camera and are treated as celebrities afterwards but when it comes to porn noone dares to do it becuase of societys pov on it. When we still had an insdustry a couple of years ago it was mostly eastern european and danish girls posing as swedish. [Link]
duefuss Member Not a shred of evidence exists in favor of the idea that life is serious - Brendan Gill 723 Posts 4/09	Posted - Mar 24 2010 : 2:10PM MadForPorn wrote: Most of the girls (95% - 99%) of porn are from poor or lower class family or they have bad events in their childhood. In maximum cases their their family relationship was not good. They were abused in their childhood. Sasha Grey had a very poor past. Click to expand What is the source for this 'data'? I suspect you are only trying to give your own prejudiced sterotypical belief the weight of some statistical truth with purely invented percentages and absurd generalizations. Its really pathetic to see such cute and young girls are getting into porn so early... Click to expand Why exactly is it so pathetic? And IF it is, which I emphatically disagree with, is it pathetic for 'cute girls' that are 18 or nineteen, and not pathetic for older or unattractive girls? It's okay for them, I suppose. So the fans, the girls the star and our dream. They are fulfilling our fantasy, but what are they getting from this industry? Click to expand I get what you're saying and you are certainly right that some actresses have been treated very badly in the porn business. And, I have agreed elsewhere that they generally do not get the compensation, health and other job benefits that producers should be required to give them. But while your heart's in the right place, your attitude towards sex workers seems to be disrespectful, insulting and hypocritical to me. Your post reeks of patronizing condescension towards women who must in some way be broken to even consider being porn stars: they're lower class, abused or neglected; pathetic. Implicit is the idea that mentally healthy, morally strong, intelligent women who had any alternative at all would never become porn actresses. That's total bullshit, filled with scorn for these girls. These are girls who like the rest of us, work for a living -- for money, like the rest of us. Some of them like what they do, some don't. Some don't bring much competence to their work, others are consumate professionals whose performances display talent and preparation and skill as rare and difficult to master as any surgeon's skill or mason's or artist's in any field. If you think what they do has no value, try whacking off for awhile looking at nothing but your own pants around your ankles, without the delicious fantasies they put in your head or the arousal of their beautiful bodies and sensual looks and exciting words and sounds. You can do it, but if it was anything like doing it with porn, you wouldn't be on this site, and neither would anyone else be. These girls deserve your awareness of the value of what they do and the work it is to do it well, as well as your respect of them as decent, worthwhile individuals, in every way your moral equal. They deserve your gratitude for doing a job well that none of them would HAVE to do and that many do in spite of being fully capable of professions just as lucrative and, unfortunately and wrongly, far less socially stigmatized or dangerous. Both you and Jacktarn OUGHT to post an apology: you for your disrespect of porn actresses and Jacktarn for his opinion that it was 'masterful'. If you don't apologize, you should both have your porn collections siezed and be banned from ever looking at porn again. [Link]
NewRomancer Deactivated User under THEIR avatar 738 Posts 7/08	Posted - Mar 24 2010 : 2:59PM "I just find it quite amazing that such young beautiful girls are so sexually experienced and are so eager to show off their talents on-screen like that." O.k... I'll fess up... they do it, because I will it to happen. (Sure seems like a plausible explanation from my perspective) [Link]
Savoy All-Star Member Sucker for Sinners 1844 Posts 12/06	Posted - Mar 24 2010 : 3:31PM MadForPorn wrote: Lea De Mae died of Cancer. She couldn't make the money for her treatment. One of her fan argued to Hustler that Hustler earned at least $10 million from her movies. So he advised them to donate a portion. But what happened? She died without treatment. Daniella Rush got some car accident and she had to return to her family to bare the hospital cost! Click to expand You can say the same for most industries: that employees are easily forgotten. How often to hear about an ex-employer paying for the cancer treatment of an ex-employee? Especially a contractor at that. Talent is responsible for carrying their own health insurance (unless they are under contract and it's offered). You would think with so many contractors working in the same field, they would get together and figure something out. Though I imagine porn performers would be considered a high risk group. I can feel badly for a girl who doesn't have her shit together and retires without a nest egg, but I can't feel outrage at the industry. This is because it's usually not a case of the girl getting fucked over monetarily, but of her spending her money instead of saving. She dug her own pit. Now you want someone to pull her out of it? And it's not even only girls. My once favorite director was making 6 figures a year. He spent it all and had to declare bankruptcy. Where's your outrage over his situation? Did the industry chew him up and spit him out? No. He just planned very, very poorly. Made his bed and now he's lying in it. [Link]
witling Member 46 Posts 1/07	Posted - Mar 24 2010 : 3:38PM duefuss wrote: Both you and Jacktarn OUGHT to post an apology: you for your disrespect of porn actresses and Jacktarn for his opinion that it was 'masterful'. If you don't apologize, you should both have your porn collections siezed and be banned from ever looking at porn again. Click to expand Heh. That is funny. Sure, madforporn's statistics smell suspiciously like they were pulled straight out of his ass and he perpetuates the familiar cliches about women who work in porn. Judging from his scant posting history I would guess that his aim was to provoke exactly the kind of heated response you so obediently provided. I largely agree with your sentiments, but I would have dismissed the post as obvious flamebait. As for Jaktarn - not Jacktarn - which is Swedish for hunter, he probably did not read closely enough to see the provocation and just wanted to express how he felt about the double standards existing in society and the sorry state of Swedish porn (has it really gotten so bad? I have a few Swedish porn DVDs, one of which is a parody of the movie Änglagård, but I haven't followed the scene recently). And he did not use the word "masterful". But surely he can speak for himself. [Link]
Pete Zaface Senior Member 3064 Posts 8/03	Posted - Mar 24 2010 : 4:27PM My thoughts on the original topic: For some, it's the allure of fame. It's easier to have your 15 minutes when it's in the smaller pond of porn than it is to achieve it in the "real world." For some, it's the sex. They can do things in the controlled environment of a porn set -- gangbangs, blowbangs, DP, DPP -- that would be more difficult to achieve if you were trying to set it up on your own. For some, it's easy money for comparatively little effort. For some, it's an outlet for their exhibitionism. For some, it's simply a way to step out of their comfort zones and try something new. For some, it's rebellion -- the public "fuck you" to many who have been important in their lives to date. For some, it's so they can justify a higher rate as an escort. I also think that most don't think their decision through. It's hard to focus five years down the road when you're 18, let alone any further than that. I could've been a pilot -- right build, perfect eyesight (back then, anyway) -- but at age 21, the seven-year commitment seemed like forever. Little did I realize at the time how insignificant that seven years would have been, and the opportunities it might have brought about later. I doubt if I were an 18-year-old girl going into porn I'd give a first thought, let alone a second, to what might happen five years down the road when my boss pulled out a copy of Cum Dumpsters 4 with me on the cover, or 15 years down the road when my kid Googled my name and found that I was also once known as Ivana Suckyuov. [Link]
duefuss Member Not a shred of evidence exists in favor of the idea that life is serious - Brendan Gill 723 Posts 4/09	Posted - Mar 24 2010 : 6:41PM witling wrote: Judging from his scant posting history I would guess that his aim was to provoke exactly the kind of heated response you so obediently provided. I largely agree with your sentiments, but I would have dismissed the post as obvious flamebait. Click to expand I know what you say is true(and thanks from a this linguistic moron for the correction and info). But this is a particular peeve of mine (if you look at my link you can see why it is towards the end), and I actually enjoy any opportunity to show here on ADT to any actors that might be looking in, that they ARE respected and valued by, I hope, many fans for what they do and not just pitied or dismissed as 'in it for the money' or whores or pathetic or whatever. [Link]
Gore Gore Girl Doctor of the Erotic Arts 7238 Posts 1/09	Posted - Mar 24 2010 : 7:11PM torris wrote: Some stuff about feminism... Click to expand You clearly have no idea what you're talking about. All the stuff you mention - issues of class, gender etc - is at the very core of feminist theory and has been discussed and debated over at length. (And if you are going to argue in response that you do know what you're talking about, please provide citations). [Link]
Rosco Fuji Deactivated User On the licking stick, Mr. Magic Dick! 3309 Posts 2/09	Posted - Mar 24 2010 : 10:26PM NewRomancer wrote: "I just find it quite amazing that such young beautiful girls are so sexually experienced and are so eager to show off their talents on-screen like that." O.k... I'll fess up... they do it, because I will it to happen. (Sure seems like a plausible explanation from my perspective) Click to expand Regarding the girl's performances, there was an article in Details magazine a few months ago about the Pornification of Amercia. The tone of the article was that most of today's youth learn about sex from porn. Actually quite interesting read. Kind of amusing in that most teenage boys who haven't had sex yet but have seen porn think a facial is standard procedure in real life. Same thing with young girls entering porn. They've seen enough porn to hit the ground running when it comes time to film. [Link]
Rosco Fuji Deactivated User On the licking stick, Mr. Magic Dick! 3309 Posts 2/09	Posted - Mar 24 2010 : 10:34PM duefuss wrote: witling wrote: Judging from his scant posting history I would guess that his aim was to provoke exactly the kind of heated response you so obediently provided. I largely agree with your sentiments, but I would have dismissed the post as obvious flamebait. Click to expand I know what you say is true(and thanks from a this linguistic moron for the correction and info). But this is a particular peeve of mine (if you look at my link you can see why it is towards the end), and I actually enjoy any opportunity to show here on ADT to any actors that might be looking in, that they ARE respected and valued by, I hope, many fans for what they do and not just pitied or dismissed as 'in it for the money' or whores or pathetic or whatever. Click to expand Sorry, but I disagree with you completely and throw this back at you: What is the source for this 'data'? I suspect you are only trying to give your own prejudiced sterotypical belief the weight of some statistical truth with purely invented percentages and absurd generalizations. [Link]

simon33333 All-Star Member 828 Posts 9/09	Posted - Mar 24 2010 : 11:44PM pat362 wrote: I'd say the first word should be "legal". I suspect that many of those young ladies that start doing porn at 18 or 19 would have done so earlier if they legally could. Since the law says that 18 is legal age then that is why they start doing porn at that age. I don't know if that sounds like an exageration but somehow I don't think that Tracy Lords wanted to wait until she was 18 and that's why she got fake papers to start doing porn. The second word is quick as in quick cash. You can probably do quite well just by stripping and it won't involve having sex with strangers while a bunch of people look on. Of course stripping will mean days to make the same amount of money as one scene will earn you. There is the bonus that you can still strip if you want to. The third word is money because after all is said and done. These girls and guys don't get into it for the sex. That's the fantasy aspect for us viewers. The likelihood that a girl will have an orgasm during a porn shoot is about equivalent to an actor being well fed during the filming of a restaurant scene. Click to expand Unless they are squirting. Proof lies there as like an ejaculation from a penis. [Link]
simon33333 All-Star Member 828 Posts 9/09	Posted - Mar 24 2010 : 11:46PM dexington steele wrote: Money, but also ATTENTION. Young girls, like all women, enjoy positive attention. It could come from message board worship or fanboys at conventions, but it's all attention and likely more than they've ever received heretofore. Attention becomes a special form of currency for these girls. Click to expand the main thing is the $$$$$, if they were not paid, they would be out of there! [Link]
Jaktarn Senior Member 4798 Posts 5/05	Posted - Mar 25 2010 : 5:19AM duefuss wrote: Both you and Jacktarn OUGHT to post an apology: you for your disrespect of porn actresses and Jacktarn for his opinion that it was 'masterful'. If you don't apologize, you should both have your porn collections siezed and be banned from ever looking at porn again. Click to expand I said it was an insightful post big difference! [Link]
Jaktarn Senior Member 4798 Posts 5/05	Posted - Mar 25 2010 : 5:28AM witling wrote: duefuss wrote: Both you and Jacktarn OUGHT to post an apology: you for your disrespect of porn actresses and Jacktarn for his opinion that it was 'masterful'. If you don't apologize, you should both have your porn collections siezed and be banned from ever looking at porn again. Click to expand Heh. That is funny. Sure, madforporn's statistics smell suspiciously like they were pulled straight out of his ass and he perpetuates the familiar cliches about women who work in porn. Judging from his scant posting history I would guess that his aim was to provoke exactly the kind of heated response you so obediently provided. I largely agree with your sentiments, but I would have dismissed the post as obvious flamebait. As for Jaktarn - not Jacktarn - which is Swedish for hunter, he probably did not read closely enough to see the provocation and just wanted to express how he felt about the double standards existing in society and the sorry state of Swedish porn (has it really gotten so bad? I have a few Swedish porn DVDs, one of which is a parody of the movie Änglagård, but I haven't followed the scene recently). And he did not use the word "masterful". But surely he can speak for himself. Click to expand You are totally right. My reply was more to the issues Madforporn brought up than the general topic for this debate. Unfortunately the swedish porn industry is kind of nonexistent much to the examples I gave you. No one dares to get in the buisness because its so looked down on. So if you are a horny person you rather try to be famous here through reality series and fuck of cam with your fans (there aren't really any money for the actors aswell most of them have had to have regular jobs on the side). I also believe it has helped that everyone is piratedownloading everything especially porn so the swedish producers have stopped producing because its really not possible to do any profits longer. I believe the director of your Änglagård parody probably is Mike Beck. He is still around and puts out 1-2 features a year. He is quite ambitious and films old school with quite big plots great camerawork but as you can understand that expensive kind of porn barely makes any money here anymore. Maybe the international sales is what keeps him around. However, he usually films with a majority of foregin girls posing as Swedish both Angel Long and Dora Wenter has been in his movies. [Link]
duefuss Member Not a shred of evidence exists in favor of the idea that life is serious - Brendan Gill 723 Posts 4/09	Posted - Mar 25 2010 : 8:13AM Jaktarn wrote: duefuss wrote: Both you and Jacktarn OUGHT to post an apology: you for your disrespect of porn actresses and Jacktarn for his opinion that it was 'masterful'. If you don't apologize, you should both have your porn collections siezed and be banned from ever looking at porn again. Click to expand I said it was an insightful post big difference! Click to expand My error. I did say that Madforporn's point about the industry's shabby treatment of these girls was well taken. My criticism was careful as I could make it to zero in on the implied attitude about the performers of his language. I still think you should either repudiate your 'insightful' or, perhaps better yet, be more specific about what was rightly said and what was not. There is nothing humbling about an honest apology. Quite the contrary, and I believe the girls who look in on this forum need to know that they are valued and respected by their audience for the service they provide. They get enough denigration from the rest of society. They don't need it from us too. [Link]
duefuss Member Not a shred of evidence exists in favor of the idea that life is serious - Brendan Gill 723 Posts 4/09	Posted - Mar 25 2010 : 8:32AM simon33333 wrote: dexington steele wrote: Money, but also ATTENTION. Young girls, like all women, enjoy positive attention. It could come from message board worship or fanboys at conventions, but it's all attention and likely more than they've ever received heretofore. Attention becomes a special form of currency for these girls. Click to expand the main thing is the $$$$$, if they were not paid, they would be out of there! Click to expand I must disagree a little. Sure, money is a motive for doing this kind of work. Money is a motive for ALL work. But the notion that it is always the ONLY motive is inaccurate and to me sounds derogatory. My current reading is Wendy Chapkis' "Live Sex Acts", a sciological examination of girls in the sex trades, including porn. I recommend it for providing some real insight into the true natures of these women and the business they are in. In fact, the motives for the work they do are the same ones people have for getting into ANY profession. Money's at the top, of course, just as it is the main reason anybody works. But they also do what they do because they enjoy doing it, because they are gratified by the pleasure they give, the needs they supply for others, and because they are proud of the quality of their work. Some hate it, hate themselves and their peers for doing it, and hate their customers. A few are forced to do it. But in the main, it seems, most of them find as much fullfillment in their work as any of us might in doing our jobs honestly and well. [Link]
Gore Gore Girl Doctor of the Erotic Arts 7238 Posts 1/09	Posted - Mar 25 2010 : 8:49AM ^ Nicely said. When you're done with the book, come and tell us about it in the ADT Book Club! [Link]
duefuss Member Not a shred of evidence exists in favor of the idea that life is serious - Brendan Gill 723 Posts 4/09	Posted - Mar 25 2010 : 11:04AM Gore Gore Girl wrote: ^ Nicely said. When you're done with the book, come and tell us about it in the ADT Book Club! Click to expand Cool! I hope you guys make allowances for verbose sesqipedalians. [Link]
torris Senior Member Deep within Mila's anus 1827 Posts 1/00	Posted - Mar 25 2010 : 12:59PM Gore Gore Girl wrote: torris wrote: Some stuff about feminism... Click to expand You clearly have no idea what you're talking about. All the stuff you mention - issues of class, gender etc - is at the very core of feminist theory and has been discussed and debated over at length. (And if you are going to argue in response that you do know what you're talking about, please provide citations). Click to expand Are you saying Gloria Steinem is pro porn as an employment choice for yhoung women? [Link]
Gore Gore Girl Doctor of the Erotic Arts 7238 Posts 1/09	Posted - Mar 25 2010 : 1:47PM ^ No, I'm saying that they address capitalism and class stratification as it relates to gender inequality, and that their anti-porn critique is in large part grounded in this. I don't even agree with a lot of things they say, I just resent any writer being misrepresented as ignoring things that are in fact key components of their argument. [Link]
torris Senior Member Deep within Mila's anus 1827 Posts 1/00	Posted - Mar 25 2010 : 3:42PM ^That may be the case but there have been enough mainstream feminists who see the entire porn enterprise as a crime against women. Many, like Andrea Dworkin and CAtherin McKinnon made careers out of speaking on behalf of all women as victims of pornography without really caring about the underlying social and economic circumstances that makes porn a career option for women who turn to porn b/c of lack of other mainstream employment/money making endeavors, I think the sex positive feminists are definitely a step in the right direction that tends to include more ethnographies: minorities, LGBT, sex workers. And I don't know enough about the evolution of feminist theory to hazard a guess that these groups are reacting against the rigidness of their feminist forebears [Link]
Gore Gore Girl Doctor of the Erotic Arts 7238 Posts 1/09	Posted - Mar 25 2010 : 3:47PM ^ Nicely said. [Link]
ms33 New Member 1 Posts 4/10	Posted - Apr 3 2010 : 12:40PM If they were doing it just for money, it wouldn't be an interesting question and we'd all be more successful with women. To answer, you have to realize how different the female psyche is and how similar our chemistry. Porn is entrepreneurial for the women it attracts, and that status doesn't come from money alone. While middling stars can earn $10,000 a month, entrepreneurial affiliation doesn't need to be matched by big bucks. In the 80's, there were remarkably pretty young women flocking to massage parlors. As hard as it is for us to understand, they loved it. Think how difficult it is for a woman to find a situation where randiness is socially sanctioned. This is available to directionless 18-22 year olds who face the painful transition to adulthood and self-sufficiency, and who inhabit a world where a woman can be murdered for violating sexual property rights. The prettier the girl, the more they thrived on the sex. Several said so; others were beside themselves with all the attention. Another dimension: we can all manage a thirty minute relationship. It's the relationship involving the longer term well-being of another person that throws us. So they're feeding on the frenzy of easy relationships and getting paid for it. Payment itself is a huge factor; women can't count. I dated an extremely pretty performer who I met in a sex arcade; it floored me that when a guy from her neighborhood offered her $5 for a blowjob, she was incensed by the price but not by the gesture. Re class distinctions: a broad range of girls participate but what you don't see are any Ivy League graduates. If you know one, send me her phone number. This can all be boiled down to a much simpler question: why do women suck cock? It's not just bcz we want them to. Women are cocksuckers. Edited by - ms33 on 4/3/2010 12:46:47 PM [Link]
Gore Gore Girl Doctor of the Erotic Arts 7238 Posts 1/09	Posted - Apr 3 2010 : 12:56PM ms33 wrote: Women are cocksuckers. Click to expand As are men. [Link]
The Ghost of Cal Jammer Senior Member 2207 Posts 7/09	Posted - Apr 3 2010 : 1:30PM Because there are hundreds of millions of porn addicts. supply and demand. Or, demand and supply. Beats me. [Link]
Big_Mike Deactivated User 20 Posts 4/10	Posted - Apr 3 2010 : 6:14PM Well, ONE reason could be that porn is an easy way of making money that doesn't require much intelligence. Making a lot of money with good job security a lot of times requires education in complicated disciplines such as engineering or medicine. A lot of girls in porn simply lack the capabilities of pursuing such careers. Edited by - Big_Mike on 4/3/2010 6:15:48 PM [Link]

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cimfan
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Posted - Mar 17 2010 : 7:02PM

The single word answer is obviously money.
But delving into it more deeply, having sex is something deeply personal. I was still a virgin at that age and getting into porn was the LAST thing on my mind.
I'm not being judgmental here in the least. I just find it quite amazing that such young beautiful girls are so sexually experienced and are so eager to show off their talents on-screen like that. I mean, once you've done that it's out there forever for the world to see. What if your parents see it? Do you tell your parents what you are doing? What is the conversation like when you haven't even finished high school and you are telling your dad you want to get into porn?
Can anyone share some insight?

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The Ghost of Cal Jammer
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Posted - Mar 17 2010 : 7:18PM

I don't know why they do it. All I know is that a lot of them do it, and I thank the Lord Jesus Christ that they do, because watching 18 and 19 year old girls get fucked is one of life's great pleasures. I think the 18 and 19 year old girls know this, and aside from the money (but really, how much are some of these girls making? Some of them just do a handful of scenes. It's not like they are making enough in six months to support them for the next five years) that's why they do it. I'd like to think that the reason that a lot of these girls get into porn is because they like to fuck and they know that if they fuck the guys in porn they are going to probably get fucked better then they ever have.

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Drebin
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Posted - Mar 17 2010 : 7:49PM

nice topic, i don't know exactly as to why but thankfully there are girls out there that are willing. the main motivation is definately the money but i think they would have to be fucking a lot in there personal life already to go through with it
the porn i am into is exactly what the topic is about, hot young girls doing hardcore. my porn collection is made up of girls usually between 18-25 on average
i am in my 20s and have been jerking off to porn for about 10 years and seen several of my favourites retire over the years, sometimes just after a hand full of scenes as mentioned
keri sable, tiffany rayne just to name a couple. i guess they just grow out of it after eventually moving onto more hardcore stuff like anals and dp
most of the ones i was into that are no longer doing porn provided a great selection of scenes for the wankers and i find there is always a scene that pops up that i never watched from back when they going all out

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pat362
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Posted - Mar 17 2010 : 10:18PM

I'd say the first word should be "legal". I suspect that many of those young ladies that start doing porn at 18 or 19 would have done so earlier if they legally could. Since the law says that 18 is legal age then that is why they start doing porn at that age.
I don't know if that sounds like an exageration but somehow I don't think that Tracy Lords wanted to wait until she was 18 and that's why she got fake papers to start doing porn.
The second word is quick as in quick cash. You can probably do quite well just by stripping and it won't involve having sex with strangers while a bunch of people look on. Of course stripping will mean days to make the same amount of money as one scene will earn you. There is the bonus that you can still strip if you want to.
The third word is money because after all is said and done. These girls and guys don't get into it for the sex. That's the fantasy aspect for us viewers. The likelihood that a girl will have an orgasm during a porn shoot is about equivalent to an actor being well fed during the filming of a restaurant scene.

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grover

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Posted - Mar 17 2010 : 10:21PM

Ladies and Gentlemen, it's very simple. It has to do with simple economics! As they say, it's all about the Benjamins! Cha-Ching! $$$!

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Algaliarept
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Posted - Mar 17 2010 : 11:14PM

uhh...YUP!

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dexington steele
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Posted - Mar 17 2010 : 11:45PM

Money, but also ATTENTION. Young girls, like all women, enjoy positive attention. It could come from message board worship or fanboys at conventions, but it's all attention and likely more than they've ever received heretofore. Attention becomes a special form of currency for these girls.

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jazzyfae728
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Posted - Mar 18 2010 : 4:21AM

yes. i can share some insight.
the answer is not just money, it's extreme naivete and not being old enough to understand the potential reprecussions realistically, if at all. also- many of these girls get approached asking if they want to "model" (happened to my ex-girlfriend when she was 17, but she was smart and knew the creep meant porn, and swiftly told him to fuck off), and have no clue what they're actually getting into and then are pressured to do it anyway or figure "well it's still LIKE modelling" or who knows. things like that, though.
teenagers also tend to think they understand/know much more than they really do, and feel like they will live forever- most people don't realize life is real until they're over 21. life just seems like a really fun endless game when you're so young (18/19).

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BlackSix

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Posted - Mar 18 2010 : 4:46AM

All the reasons already mentioned but I think we would be fooling ourselves if we also didn't acknowledge that some of these women have troubled backgrounds, often involving mental, physical or sexual abuse and/or drug problems. Tied to this is also a very repressive religious upbringing. Jessi Summers is one recent performer whose stories confirm this.
Not all of them of course, but to pretend that this isn't true of at least some of the performers (the percentage is always being debated) seems disingenuous.

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cm37564
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Posted - Mar 18 2010 : 7:22AM

Everytime they interview some hot new girl
and she says she's 18
I feel a little disappointed.
. . .and then their performances, in many cases, continue that trend of disappointment.
(That is, if I'm not already too annoyed by their voices to continue)
I thought Jenna Haze got WAY better with age, personally.
The number one reason girls that young get into porn is the same reason they do anything else. . .ATTENTION
They'd be trying to do reality television if they weren't doing porn
Edited by - cm37564 on 3/18/2010 7:24:03 AM

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jrsl76
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Posted - Mar 18 2010 : 10:01AM

Whatever the reason, I thank them. because I receive the benefit. I love 18 and 19 year old girls like a junkie loves crack.

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taylor_swift_tasty_feet
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Posted - Mar 18 2010 : 1:01PM

The Barely Legal stuff if my fave I LOVE beautiful teen-aged girls !
The girly voices
laughter
TIGHT bodies
Fresh baby faces
softer feet,skin,ETC
ALL is great! This is why I NEVER bother w/ the 'cougar' stuff a 40 Y/O can never compete with an 18 Y/O in my book,as a rule I prefer 30 & under.

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duefuss
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Posted - Mar 18 2010 : 1:42PM

I doubt that it's always that simple, and even where it IS the conscious motive, if money were sufficient inducement to do porn, I expect there'd be a LOT more aspirants.
There's no quetion for me that there are many factors contribute to the decision to do porn, including ego and self image to empowerment and even altruism.

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torris
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Posted - Mar 18 2010 : 2:42PM

I've given this a lot of thought and it is why I think the feminist organizations are wrong to be down on porn. Too many "coastal elites" graduating from Ivy League schools who have never had to worry about falling through the cracks b/c of their lack of savings, opportunities or employment possibilities.
So if your 18 and 19 and female you really have an edge in maximizing money if you're willing to do sex in front of the camera. You don't even have to be all that cute, (plenty of ugly women in porn), you just have to be willing. B/c this isn't the Olympics, I don't look down on Six Pack Pamela b/c she gives lousy blowjobs. Ideally I'm very easy to please: smile on your face, disrobe, shake your tail feather a little bit,suck, fuck, anal, atm, facial, smile. NEXT!!!
So if you've just graduated from high school and college is too expensive (the University I work for just raised tuition for next year by 10%) or maybe you're broke and can't pay for your car repair or root canal. Or maybe you want to move out of your parents house. Or you have a kid and the meth head father hit the road. What are the options for this unappreciated demographic? Sling burgers or change bed pans for minimum wage?
Fock that.
I would imagine a girl if she didn't snort her earnings or have to support/bailout her Suitcase Pimp, you could get a nice nest egg going with plenty of opportunities: porn DVDs, stirpping, escorting, web work (I'm seeing lots of topshelf talent doing stuff on their own without needing to go the corporate porn route: go to freeones.ca and call up Gigi Spice and Tania Spice for two examples). Fock student loans.
IN Jamaica they said that selling marijuana was the "poor man's banker". A way for impoverished and working people to get a little cash together to start a bicicyle repair shop or restaurant. SAme with porn.
I'm 45 and I've been in and out of porn shops since I was 21. Never have the girls been so many, so good looking, so exotic (soon there will be AFghani and Iraqi porn to enjoy), so willing to do nasty stuff like anal, atm, etc. And it's not like this current gov't gives a shit about the employment opportunities for Global Millenials. So porn ought to be a likely career choice for young women trapped in dead end circustances
So the next time Gloria STeinem talks about the evils of pornography someone needs to shut her up by talking about how women are just maximizing their evolutionary advantage and in reality exploiting male (mostly) necessity in our evolutionary responsibility in seeking new pussy to plant our seed. Even if in this case the reality is the voyeuristic consumption of porn instead of actually talking to a girl.
And Gloria and her ilk should be proud that the wages for women are double or triple that of the men who they work side by side (er, on top of).

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Dean Wormer
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Posted - Mar 18 2010 : 3:10PM

They get into porn for the same reason when Larry Kroger asked John Blutarsky why his Delta Tau Chai name was Pinto: Why not?

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Rosco Fuji
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Posted - Mar 18 2010 : 3:19PM

Why do 18 year old girls get into porn?
I'm not knocking anyone's choices as I appreciate 18 year olds doing porn. In an interview segment of a dvd, Kitty and another girl told the camera point blank that they did porn because they're lazy, pure and simple. I'd bet that most girls getting into porn think they are going to be the next big thing ALA Jenna and make big bucks in a short period of time. Even if they make some bucks, its cash in cash out. Gotta get the purse and sunglasses first, first three scenes. Then a Hyundai won't do, so gotta get a ride, so there's the next 20 scenes a year,etc. As far as the whole, I'm doing porn to pay my way through school, yeah right. Maybe for a few; but overall, not a chance. Same goes with stripping. It's not like these girls are going to Ivy league schools and/or paying off student loans. Maybe a few, but overall, no. Young girls doing porn and earning cash is a little like being a professional athelete. A very short earning potential. Mike Tyson made over 200 million in his career, and has almost nothing to show for it. Reasons being; 7th grade education and got punched in the head for a living, and sponges sucking him dry. There was an article on here a while back about a forner porn star who spent all her money on flashy items, Benz, etc, and after the bookings stopped, went back to mom and dad and is now driving a hand me down beater with absolutely nothing to show for her porn career but still has the stigma following her.

As far as telling the parents, the overwhelming theme in the interview sessions is that the dad is not in the picture.
Regarding the girl's performances, there was an article in Details magazine a few months ago about the Pornification of Amercia. The tone of the article was that most of today's youth learn about sex from porn. Actually quite interesting read. Kind of amusing in that most teenage boys who haven't had sex yet but have seen porn think a facial is standard procedure in real life. Same thing with young girls entering porn. They've seen enough porn to hit the ground running when it comes time to film.
Edited by - rosco fuji on 3/18/2010 3:32:16 PM

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torris
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Posted - Mar 18 2010 : 4:14PM

That would be an intersting quantitative research project or dissertation. The family demographics of porn starlets. Any academic research done in this area?

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cimfan
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Posted - Mar 18 2010 : 5:52PM

What an excellent bunch of replies - thanks everyone!
I just want to respond to the point about attention. These girls are DROP DEAD GORGEOUS. I mean look at someone like Brooke Van Buuren, Monica Sweetheart or Lexi Belle. I seriously doubt any of them are lacking for male attention. The way I see it (and this is based on not really understanding the world of a 19 year old girl) they would turn heads and stop traffic no matter where they go or how they dress.
Also, if attention is what they want, isn't this one of the worst ways to do it? I mean, your face is on permanent record as having done all sorts of "nasty" things. What if you are recognized in the future, say if you wanted a position of public reconaisance?
I hope I'm not coming across as judgmental here. Maybe I lead a sheltered existence (I don't) but at that age starring in porn was not something I would consider. At that age the girls were never interested in re-ships, wanted to have fun, go to school, be busy with their jobs and family etc. They won't get into a re-ship but will do porn? Isn't the latter far more 'dangerous'?
The money can't be THAT great. What do they get for a scene, two grand? That won't change anyone's life, but the consequences of porn will (?).
I obviously don't have a clue but this is one of those highly fascinating topics to me. Please keep the replies coming and if any of the performers I'm talking about would like to offer their 2 cents I would love to learn from and hear your POV. Remember, not here to judge, but to understand. :)

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shinebox101
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Posted - Mar 18 2010 : 5:56PM

I don't know but it probably has to do with their up bringing.
I prefer 25 year old women anyway. Women in their mid 20s are the real deal.

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cimfan
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Posted - Mar 18 2010 : 6:00PM

Very interesting, pat. This is something I think about a lot, actually. It's really contradictory when you consider that the media goes to great lengths to paint everyone under the age of 18 as a child. For instance, there was a story about an 18 year old boyfriend of a 16 year old girl filming their encounters, then when they broke up he was resentful that she was cheating with her new bf, so he started posting the stuff online. The law went after him for possession of kiddie porn! I mean c'mon. She knew full well what she was doing and consented to it.
I guess there has to be a line drawn somewhere, I just have a hard time imagining hot teenagers (always been elusive for me particularly at that age when I was chasing them haha) who don't seem to take anything seriously, being so serious so as to make their way down to California and get into filming. And when you see their performances wow, how did they get so good at it at such a young age??

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duefuss
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Posted - Mar 18 2010 : 6:15PM

The fact that younger girls seem to be thought of by producers as a major selling feature of their stuff may have much to do with, perhaps the ease of getting work or an agent's persuasion of younger girls to become actors.
I think a lot of the appeal of porn acting to young girls is probably present in all media. That appeal is certainly older than the porn business itself. The image of the young starry eyed girl determined to make it big on the stage or in the movies is so old that it's become trite.
Not just money, but the notoriety, the thought of sexually arousing even millions of men must be powerful forces in the decision to do porn.

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Holly D
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Posted - Mar 19 2010 : 6:44AM

ok so I got into porn when I was 20, not 18 or 19 but still pretty close. I can honestly say that money was not my main motive for getting in to porn. In my private off camera life, I live a swingers life style, going to different clubs most weeks and having lots of wild sex with lots of different people. Through going to swingers and fetish clubs, I met someone from Playboy TV who covering a fetish event for one of thier shows, and he suggested that I would make a good pornstar. I thought it would be great if I could turn doing what I love so much into a career and I havnt looked back since. Obviously I wouldnt do it for free just for the fun of it as this is my job and I need to make a living from it, but money deffinatly wasnt the driving force behind me getting into the industry. Im an intelligent girl, I have been to college and have a stack of qualifications that could get me a higher paid career in a entirly different industry but it wouldnt be half as much fun as a career in the porn industry.

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Posted - Mar 19 2010 : 7:08AM

Holly D wrote:
ok so I got into porn when I was 20, not 18 or 19 but still pretty close. I can honestly say that money was not my main motive for getting in to porn. In my private off camera life, I live a swingers life style, going to different clubs most weeks and having lots of wild sex with lots of different people. Through going to swingers and fetish clubs, I met someone from Playboy TV who covering a fetish event for one of thier shows, and he suggested that I would make a good pornstar. I thought it would be great if I could turn doing what I love so much into a career and I havnt looked back since. Obviously I wouldnt do it for free just for the fun of it as this is my job and I need to make a living from it, but money deffinatly wasnt the driving force behind me getting into the industry. Im an intelligent girl, I have been to college and have a stack of qualifications that could get me a higher paid career in a entirly different industry but it wouldnt be half as much fun as a career in the porn industry.
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well said Holly....congrats!

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melt
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Posted - Mar 19 2010 : 7:52AM

What a fascinating topic and some very insightful replies so far.
I started a thread about one year back and cannot find it now "why are all 18year old American girls joining the porn industry" - Obviously tongue in cheek. The economy was and still is depressed so not a huge amount of job opportunities out there. We had just experienced a flash flood of very hot newbies entering the industry and it was almost impossible to keep track of them all.

My view is that every single girl has her own unique reasons for first entering the biz. Money must be just one important factor but there are many other reasons as well. I know a lot more about the biz now than I did a year ago and although the girls can earn a reasonable sum per shoot I am now aware of just how much it costs them in personal maintenance (hair nails make-up tanning gyming and work related clothes) just to mention a few of the expenses. Travelling and AIM testing is also not for free.
I have become friendly with about a 20 girls that I chat with regularly on twitter and each and every one of their stories are in fact unique.
Thanks HollyD for sharing yours,

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MadForPorn
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Posted - Mar 24 2010 : 5:31AM

Most of the girls (95% - 99%) of porn are from poor or lower class family or they have bad events in their childhood. In maximum cases their their family relationship was not good. They were abused in their childhood. Sasha Grey had a very poor past.
Its really pathetic to see such cute and young girls are getting into porn so early. Some of them probably want to big star. But What they actually earn from this Industry?. I read one of the interview of Sierra Sinn in which she said that the girls who left from the industry can't leave with a lot money, in her words, with nothing. For her first scene she got only $800!. She needed to go to some NGO for her recovery!
I was really astonished hearing the name of Mallory. She lost her virginity on camera! How poor the girl is! First sex is a dream for every man and woman. And sex is to be practiced in private. Moreover, that was her first sex! What type of Mentality is this!
Lea De Mae died of Cancer. She couldn't make the money for her treatment. One of her fan argued to Hustler that Hustler earned at least $10 million from her movies. So he advised them to donate a portion. But what happened? She died without treatment. Daniella Rush got some car accident and she had to return to her family to bare the hospital cost!
So the fans, the girls the star and our dream. They are fulfilling our fantasy, but what are they getting from this industry?
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Posted - Mar 24 2010 : 12:32PM

MadForPorn wrote:
Most of the girls (95% - 99%) of porn are from poor or lower class family or they have bad events in their childhood. In maximum cases their their family relationship was not good. They were abused in their childhood. Sasha Grey had a very poor past.
Its really pathetic to see such cute and young girls are getting into porn so early. Some of them probably want to big star. But What they actually earn from this Industry?. I read one of the interview of Sierra Sinn in which she said that the girls who left from the industry can't leave with a lot money, in her words, with nothing. For her first scene she got only $800!. She needed to go to some NGO for her recovery!
I was really astonished hearing the name of Mallory. She lost her virginity on camera! How poor the girl is! First sex is a dream for every man and woman. And sex is to be practiced in private. Moreover, that was her first sex! What type of Mentality is this!
Lea De Mae died of Cancer. She couldn't make the money for her treatment. One of her fan argued to Hustler that Hustler earned at least $10 million from her movies. So he advised them to donate a portion. But what happened? She died without treatment. Daniella Rush got some car accident and she had to return to her family to bare the hospital cost!
So the fans, the girls the star and our dream. They are fulfilling our fantasy, but what are they getting from this industry?
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Great thread!
Madforporn, very insightful reply. I to believe soceity is way to hars on pornstars. I live in sweden and nowadays we hardly have any "professional" porn just amateur stuff and blogs and its mostly due to an doublemoral when it comes to sex. We have several examples of realityshows where guys and girls fucks on camera and are treated as celebrities afterwards but when it comes to porn noone dares to do it becuase of societys pov on it. When we still had an insdustry a couple of years ago it was mostly eastern european and danish girls posing as swedish.

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duefuss
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Posted - Mar 24 2010 : 2:10PM

What is the source for this 'data'? I suspect you are only trying to give your own prejudiced sterotypical belief the weight of some statistical truth with purely invented percentages and absurd generalizations.

Why exactly is it so pathetic? And IF it is, which I emphatically disagree with, is it pathetic for 'cute girls' that are 18 or nineteen, and not pathetic for older or unattractive girls? It's okay for them, I suppose.

I get what you're saying and you are certainly right that some actresses have been treated very badly in the porn business. And, I have agreed elsewhere that they generally do not get the compensation, health and other job benefits that producers should be required to give them.
But while your heart's in the right place, your attitude towards sex workers seems to be disrespectful, insulting and hypocritical to me.
Your post reeks of patronizing condescension towards women who must in some way be broken to even consider being porn stars: they're lower class, abused or neglected; pathetic. Implicit is the idea that mentally healthy, morally strong, intelligent women who had any alternative at all would never become porn actresses.
That's total bullshit, filled with scorn for these girls. These are girls who like the rest of us, work for a living -- for money, like the rest of us. Some of them like what they do, some don't.
Some don't bring much competence to their work, others are consumate professionals whose performances display talent and preparation and skill as rare and difficult to master as any surgeon's skill or mason's or artist's in any field.
If you think what they do has no value, try whacking off for awhile looking at nothing but your own pants around your ankles, without the delicious fantasies they put in your head or the arousal of their beautiful bodies and sensual looks and exciting words and sounds. You can do it, but if it was anything like doing it with porn, you wouldn't be on this site, and neither would anyone else be.
These girls deserve your awareness of the value of what they do and the work it is to do it well, as well as your respect of them as decent, worthwhile individuals, in every way your moral equal. They deserve your gratitude for doing a job well that none of them would HAVE to do and that many do in spite of being fully capable of professions just as lucrative and, unfortunately and wrongly, far less socially stigmatized or dangerous.
Both you and Jacktarn OUGHT to post an apology: you for your disrespect of porn actresses and Jacktarn for his opinion that it was 'masterful'. If you don't apologize, you should both have your porn collections siezed and be banned from ever looking at porn again.

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Posted - Mar 24 2010 : 2:59PM

"I just find it quite amazing that such young beautiful girls are so sexually experienced and are so eager to show off their talents on-screen like that."
O.k... I'll fess up... they do it, because I will it to happen.
(Sure seems like a plausible explanation from my perspective)

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Savoy

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Posted - Mar 24 2010 : 3:31PM

You can say the same for most industries: that employees are easily forgotten. How often to hear about an ex-employer paying for the cancer treatment of an ex-employee? Especially a contractor at that. Talent is responsible for carrying their own health insurance (unless they are under contract and it's offered).
You would think with so many contractors working in the same field, they would get together and figure something out. Though I imagine porn performers would be considered a high risk group.
I can feel badly for a girl who doesn't have her shit together and retires without a nest egg, but I can't feel outrage at the industry. This is because it's usually not a case of the girl getting fucked over monetarily, but of her spending her money instead of saving. She dug her own pit. Now you want someone to pull her out of it?
And it's not even only girls. My once favorite director was making 6 figures a year. He spent it all and had to declare bankruptcy. Where's your outrage over his situation? Did the industry chew him up and spit him out? No. He just planned very, very poorly. Made his bed and now he's lying in it.

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witling
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Posted - Mar 24 2010 : 3:38PM

Heh. That is funny. Sure, madforporn's statistics smell suspiciously like they were pulled straight out of his ass and he perpetuates the familiar cliches about women who work in porn. Judging from his scant posting history I would guess that his aim was to provoke exactly the kind of heated response you so obediently provided. I largely agree with your sentiments, but I would have dismissed the post as obvious flamebait.
As for Jaktarn - not Jacktarn - which is Swedish for hunter, he probably did not read closely enough to see the provocation and just wanted to express how he felt about the double standards existing in society and the sorry state of Swedish porn (has it really gotten so bad? I have a few Swedish porn DVDs, one of which is a parody of the movie Änglagård, but I haven't followed the scene recently). And he did not use the word "masterful". But surely he can speak for himself.

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Posted - Mar 24 2010 : 4:27PM

My thoughts on the original topic:
For some, it's the allure of fame. It's easier to have your 15 minutes when it's in the smaller pond of porn than it is to achieve it in the "real world." For some, it's the sex. They can do things in the controlled environment of a porn set -- gangbangs, blowbangs, DP, DPP -- that would be more difficult to achieve if you were trying to set it up on your own. For some, it's easy money for comparatively little effort. For some, it's an outlet for their exhibitionism. For some, it's simply a way to step out of their comfort zones and try something new. For some, it's rebellion -- the public "fuck you" to many who have been important in their lives to date. For some, it's so they can justify a higher rate as an escort.
I also think that most don't think their decision through. It's hard to focus five years down the road when you're 18, let alone any further than that. I could've been a pilot -- right build, perfect eyesight (back then, anyway) -- but at age 21, the seven-year commitment seemed like forever. Little did I realize at the time how insignificant that seven years would have been, and the opportunities it might have brought about later. I doubt if I were an 18-year-old girl going into porn I'd give a first thought, let alone a second, to what might happen five years down the road when my boss pulled out a copy of Cum Dumpsters 4 with me on the cover, or 15 years down the road when my kid Googled my name and found that I was also once known as Ivana Suckyuov.

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duefuss
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Posted - Mar 24 2010 : 6:41PM

Gore Gore Girl

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Posted - Mar 24 2010 : 7:11PM

You clearly have no idea what you're talking about. All the stuff you mention - issues of class, gender etc - is at the very core of feminist theory and has been discussed and debated over at length. (And if you are going to argue in response that you do know what you're talking about, please provide citations).

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Posted - Mar 24 2010 : 10:26PM

Regarding the girl's performances, there was an article in Details magazine a few months ago about the Pornification of Amercia. The tone of the article was that most of today's youth learn about sex from porn. Actually quite interesting read. Kind of amusing in that most teenage boys who haven't had sex yet but have seen porn think a facial is standard procedure in real life. Same thing with young girls entering porn. They've seen enough porn to hit the ground running when it comes time to film.

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Posted - Mar 24 2010 : 10:34PM

duefuss wrote:
witling wrote:
Judging from his scant posting history I would guess that his aim was to provoke exactly the kind of heated response you so obediently provided. I largely agree with your sentiments, but I would have dismissed the post as obvious flamebait.
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I know what you say is true(and thanks from a this linguistic moron for the correction and info). But this is a particular peeve of mine (if you look at my link you can see why it is towards the end), and I actually enjoy any opportunity to show here on ADT to any actors that might be looking in, that they ARE respected and valued by, I hope, many fans for what they do and not just pitied or dismissed as 'in it for the money' or whores or pathetic or whatever.
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Sorry, but I disagree with you completely and throw this back at you:
What is the source for this 'data'? I suspect you are only trying to give your own prejudiced sterotypical belief the weight of some statistical truth with purely invented percentages and absurd generalizations.

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simon33333

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Posted - Mar 24 2010 : 11:44PM

pat362 wrote:
I'd say the first word should be "legal". I suspect that many of those young ladies that start doing porn at 18 or 19 would have done so earlier if they legally could. Since the law says that 18 is legal age then that is why they start doing porn at that age.
I don't know if that sounds like an exageration but somehow I don't think that Tracy Lords wanted to wait until she was 18 and that's why she got fake papers to start doing porn.
The second word is quick as in quick cash. You can probably do quite well just by stripping and it won't involve having sex with strangers while a bunch of people look on. Of course stripping will mean days to make the same amount of money as one scene will earn you. There is the bonus that you can still strip if you want to.
The third word is money because after all is said and done. These girls and guys don't get into it for the sex. That's the fantasy aspect for us viewers. The likelihood that a girl will have an orgasm during a porn shoot is about equivalent to an actor being well fed during the filming of a restaurant scene.
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Unless they are squirting. Proof lies there as like an ejaculation from a penis.

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simon33333

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Posted - Mar 24 2010 : 11:46PM

the main thing is the $$$$$, if they were not paid, they would be out of there!

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Jaktarn
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Posted - Mar 25 2010 : 5:19AM

I said it was an insightful post big difference!

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Jaktarn
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Posted - Mar 25 2010 : 5:28AM

witling wrote:
duefuss wrote:
Both you and Jacktarn OUGHT to post an apology: you for your disrespect of porn actresses and Jacktarn for his opinion that it was 'masterful'. If you don't apologize, you should both have your porn collections siezed and be banned from ever looking at porn again.
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Heh. That is funny. Sure, madforporn's statistics smell suspiciously like they were pulled straight out of his ass and he perpetuates the familiar cliches about women who work in porn. Judging from his scant posting history I would guess that his aim was to provoke exactly the kind of heated response you so obediently provided. I largely agree with your sentiments, but I would have dismissed the post as obvious flamebait.
As for Jaktarn - not Jacktarn - which is Swedish for hunter, he probably did not read closely enough to see the provocation and just wanted to express how he felt about the double standards existing in society and the sorry state of Swedish porn (has it really gotten so bad? I have a few Swedish porn DVDs, one of which is a parody of the movie Änglagård, but I haven't followed the scene recently). And he did not use the word "masterful". But surely he can speak for himself.
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You are totally right. My reply was more to the issues Madforporn brought up than the general topic for this debate.
Unfortunately the swedish porn industry is kind of nonexistent much to the examples I gave you. No one dares to get in the buisness because its so looked down on. So if you are a horny person you rather try to be famous here through reality series and fuck of cam with your fans (there aren't really any money for the actors aswell most of them have had to have regular jobs on the side).
I also believe it has helped that everyone is piratedownloading everything especially porn so the swedish producers have stopped producing because its really not possible to do any profits longer.
I believe the director of your Änglagård parody probably is Mike Beck. He is still around and puts out 1-2 features a year. He is quite ambitious and films old school with quite big plots great camerawork but as you can understand that expensive kind of porn barely makes any money here anymore. Maybe the international sales is what keeps him around.
However, he usually films with a majority of foregin girls posing as Swedish both Angel Long and Dora Wenter has been in his movies.

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duefuss
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Posted - Mar 25 2010 : 8:13AM

My error. I did say that Madforporn's point about the industry's shabby treatment of these girls was well taken.
My criticism was careful as I could make it to zero in on the implied attitude about the performers of his language. I still think you should either repudiate your 'insightful' or, perhaps better yet, be more specific about what was rightly said and what was not.
There is nothing humbling about an honest apology. Quite the contrary, and I believe the girls who look in on this forum need to know that they are valued and respected by their audience for the service they provide. They get enough denigration from the rest of society. They don't need it from us too.

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duefuss
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Posted - Mar 25 2010 : 8:32AM

I must disagree a little.
Sure, money is a motive for doing this kind of work. Money is a motive for ALL work. But the notion that it is always the ONLY motive is inaccurate and to me sounds derogatory.
My current reading is Wendy Chapkis' "Live Sex Acts", a sciological examination of girls in the sex trades, including porn. I recommend it for providing some real insight into the true natures of these women and the business they are in.
In fact, the motives for the work they do are the same ones people have for getting into ANY profession. Money's at the top, of course, just as it is the main reason anybody works. But they also do what they do because they enjoy doing it, because they are gratified by the pleasure they give, the needs they supply for others, and because they are proud of the quality of their work.
Some hate it, hate themselves and their peers for doing it, and hate their customers. A few are forced to do it. But in the main, it seems, most of them find as much fullfillment in their work as any of us might in doing our jobs honestly and well.

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Gore Gore Girl

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Posted - Mar 25 2010 : 8:49AM

^ Nicely said. When you're done with the book, come and tell us about it in the ADT Book Club!

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duefuss
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Posted - Mar 25 2010 : 11:04AM

Cool! I hope you guys make allowances for verbose sesqipedalians.

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torris
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Posted - Mar 25 2010 : 12:59PM

Are you saying Gloria Steinem is pro porn as an employment choice for yhoung women?

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Gore Gore Girl

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Posted - Mar 25 2010 : 1:47PM

^ No, I'm saying that they address capitalism and class stratification as it relates to gender inequality, and that their anti-porn critique is in large part grounded in this. I don't even agree with a lot of things they say, I just resent any writer being misrepresented as ignoring things that are in fact key components of their argument.

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torris
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Posted - Mar 25 2010 : 3:42PM

^That may be the case but there have been enough mainstream feminists who see the entire porn enterprise as a crime against women. Many, like Andrea Dworkin and CAtherin McKinnon made careers out of speaking on behalf of all women as victims of pornography without really caring about the underlying social and economic circumstances that makes porn a career option for women who turn to porn b/c of lack of other mainstream employment/money making endeavors,
I think the sex positive feminists are definitely a step in the right direction that tends to include more ethnographies: minorities, LGBT, sex workers. And I don't know enough about the evolution of feminist theory to hazard a guess that these groups are reacting against the rigidness of their feminist forebears

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Gore Gore Girl

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Posted - Mar 25 2010 : 3:47PM

^ Nicely said.

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ms33
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Posted - Apr 3 2010 : 12:40PM

If they were doing it just for money, it wouldn't be an interesting question and we'd all be more successful with women. To answer, you have to realize how different the female psyche is and how similar our chemistry. Porn is entrepreneurial for the women it attracts, and that status doesn't come from money alone. While middling stars can earn $10,000 a month, entrepreneurial affiliation doesn't need to be matched by big bucks.
In the 80's, there were remarkably pretty young women flocking to massage parlors. As hard as it is for us to understand, they loved it. Think how difficult it is for a woman to find a situation where randiness is socially sanctioned. This is available to directionless 18-22 year olds who face the painful transition to adulthood and self-sufficiency, and who inhabit a world where a woman can be murdered for violating sexual property rights. The prettier the girl, the more they thrived on the sex. Several said so; others were beside themselves with all the attention.
Another dimension: we can all manage a thirty minute relationship. It's the relationship involving the longer term well-being of another person that throws us. So they're feeding on the frenzy of easy relationships and getting paid for it. Payment itself is a huge factor; women can't count. I dated an extremely pretty performer who I met in a sex arcade; it floored me that when a guy from her neighborhood offered her $5 for a blowjob, she was incensed by the price but not by the gesture.
Re class distinctions: a broad range of girls participate but what you don't see are any Ivy League graduates. If you know one, send me her phone number.
This can all be boiled down to a much simpler question: why do women suck cock? It's not just bcz we want them to. Women are cocksuckers.

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Gore Gore Girl

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Posted - Apr 3 2010 : 12:56PM

As are men.

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The Ghost of Cal Jammer
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Posted - Apr 3 2010 : 1:30PM

Because there are hundreds of millions of porn addicts. supply and demand. Or, demand and supply. Beats me.

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Big_Mike
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Posted - Apr 3 2010 : 6:14PM

Well, ONE reason could be that porn is an easy way of making money that doesn't require much intelligence. Making a lot of money with good job security a lot of times requires education in complicated disciplines such as engineering or medicine. A lot of girls in porn simply lack the capabilities of pursuing such careers.
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