Why does Vivid Produce such crap?

Author	Post
Excalibur1242 Member 61 Posts 6/02	Posted - Nov 26 2002 : 3:37PM I don't know. Vivid movies just seem not-as-good for some odd reason despite the fact that they've got the best looking women in porn. I bought Deep Inside April, Devon, & Chasey Lain. After watching the April and Devon discs, I guess the quality and the length seem redited and shortened. Can somebody explain why their videos aren't as great as most adult movies are? [Link]
Hardware All-Star Member Your other left 14594 Posts 3/02	Posted - Nov 26 2002 : 4:23PM You raise a concern about Vivid compilations that has been expressed before, they do appear to be cutting up the scenes. However, your question seems to indicate a blanket condemnation of their movies. Are you talking about production values, or content? If you're talking about content, then the only explanation is that you don't fit their target audience profile. I'm sure their target audience is very happy with their product, otherwise they wouldn't be in business still, after all these years. [Link]
Saki At-Large 2087 Posts 11/99	Posted - Nov 26 2002 : 4:24PM To each his own. There are obviously enough people who like Vivid movies or aren't exposed to other studios. Vivid is unapologetic about the style of porn it produces and clearly is trying to appeal to the mass market by means of satellite and pay cable. To that end, the hardcore and the quality take back seat to the marketing and the markets. It's a well-known fact that a number of Vivid DVDs are edited from their VHS original releases. Reasons people give for that are primarily to make room for their DVD extras or because once a title goes to catalog (i.e. is not a new release), it's re-edited to fit on less costly VHS tapes. Since they'd already re-edited a lot of masters before DVD became popular, there was not a lot of motivation to go back and re-edit. Remember, Vivid has hundreds, if not thousands, of movies and videos in its catalog. I've given up a long time ago trying to understand Vivid. They are satisfied with their product, and there's too much porn out there for me to spend time asking why. Finally, from a moderator's standpoint, please avoid the use of inflammatory subjects for threads. It's not necessary and only serves to become a magnet for a moderator. - Saki Edited by - saki on 11/26/2002 4:26:47 PM [Link]
PornoBoy Member 145 Posts 7/02	Posted - Nov 26 2002 : 4:35PM Vivid doesn't have to worry about pleasing the more "hardcore" fan - they've got such a lock on the "couples" market and the ol' pay-per-view hotel thing, that they really don't need to risk things by making their movies more "hardcore". In other words, why mess with success? I agree most of their films don't appeal to me...but lets be honest, nine times out of ten, your first exposure to porn is probably going to be a film from Vivid. [Link]
Hardware All-Star Member Your other left 14594 Posts 3/02	Posted - Nov 26 2002 : 4:45PM You know, I still enjoy some of Vivid's releases. This from a man who thinks Heavy Metal is a great movie and whose last purchase what Whack Attack 15. Go figure. [Link]

Manetho71 Member 185 Posts 9/02	Posted - Nov 26 2002 : 5:18PM Say what you will, but Vivid is great when you want to introduce your wife or girlfriend to porn. There's plenty of other stuff out there if you don't like it. [Link]
Winters_Bane Member California 130 Posts 9/02	Posted - Nov 26 2002 : 9:09PM Excalibur1242 wrote: Vivid [. . .]have got the best looking women in porn. Click to expand And to many ppl the actress is far more important than the act itself! I'm defintely one of them! :) "Your daddy works in porno Now that mommy's not around. . ." [Link]
aybesea Senior Member Caroline Cage - Hungarian Hottie! 1485 Posts 5/02	Posted - Nov 26 2002 : 9:24PM I hardly consider Vivid to be a crap studio. Let's look at a few facts: 1) First and foremost, Vivid makes a LOT of money. It is a well run business that has a very strong niche. They have monopolized the market within their niche. Hardly what I would consider a crap move. 2) They have signed what may arguably be the strongest stable of performers in porno today. Hardly a crap move. 3) They are extremely prolific in their production output. Hardly what I would perceive from a crap studio. 4) Their features obviously use modern cameras, lights, sets, wardrobes, locales... certainly not crap ingredients. So, why the hullaballoo? Answer, because Vivid doesn't do the hardcore thing that so many of us love. OK, that's their perogative... just like it is your perogative to take your dollars elsewhere. But does that make them crap? I don't think so! [Link]
BIGmike B-I-G-m-i-k-e 2335 Posts 3/01	Posted - Nov 26 2002 : 9:27PM I've been suckered into buying cable versions of a few of Vivid's VHS. But of course I had no way of knowing I was getting a cable version 'til after I bought it. I did enjoy the cable versions, but this was at a time when these were my first porno purchases. I only say "suckered" because there they were on a store shelf, it was after I turned 18, and I thought what the hell, buy one. Of course I'd been reading Hustler for a couple years proir, but had yet to purchase an adult film... so I jumped at a couple of their VHS. While I can't say that they were "satisfying", they did quench a thirst to see porn, and to legally possess it. Well they served their purpose. I can't really be a judge of Vivid's DVDs, I can go by what a lot of people say, which is usually nothing good, or spectacular. I can say that I've been interested in buying a few Vivid DVDs, but seeing is how they seem to be a "mess", I haven't yet. But ya gotta admit, some of those covers, if not all, are HOT! ---BIGmike, going and going and going since MCMLXXX--- [Link]
RonK Big Double Everything Fan Poor Turkey running for her life with Christmas Hat 3713 Posts 9/01	Posted - Nov 26 2002 : 9:28PM I would agree with Ay. I would not buy nor see Vivid stuff alone as there are no double anals and few dps, but they produce videos for their niche and they are strong in the niche. For my taste, Vivid is boring but then I may be jaded having seen too much hard stuff and double everythings. Now if I were to see a porno title with a babe, especially a babe who likes Vivid stuff, I would happily watch Vivid videos. Ron [Link]
olduser Deactivated User Self-Removed User 215 Posts 3/02	Posted - Nov 26 2002 : 10:11PM Personally, I think Vivid is good stuff, but i've become too jaded for their regular films. Who needs plot really, I just wait for the compilations. The only exception is their great Where the Boys Aren't series. [Link]
Excalibur1242 Member 61 Posts 6/02	Posted - Nov 27 2002 : 12:40AM I didn't expect this large of a reponse. I remember watching the Playboy Channel in junior high and thinking how awesome vivid was despite it being only X and more couples orientated. When I wrote my topic, I was lost for words. I couldn't explain why I didn't like Vivid. I do enjoy the bad girls series where everything is in jail but other movies are just either too low quality, edited badly, or too couple orientated for my taste even though I'm not a big fan of hardcore sex. I wrote the topic right after getting bored and disappointed watching Deep Inside April which I thought it could of been better. I liked watching April from her scenes from vca, but in her deep inside collabration, it seemed that the people who were in charge of researching scenes for the dvd just found whatever scenes that were there and didn't take the time to see if it was one of her best ones in vivid. There were scenes in which she wasn't the main focus. I ordered the Deep Inside Chasey Lain dvd because its was $10.95 and there were a few scenes in it that I remember seeing on playboy. [Link]
Meridian Member 155 Posts 8/01	Posted - Nov 27 2002 : 3:41AM All this endless Vivid bashing is so boring. It's like there's a special club of people that hate the colour green, and every time anyone mentions the word or uses the color they jump out of the woodwork to criticise it. On and on and on. And 'not-as-good for some odd reason' is way above average in terms of detail and general interest levels, which is pretty sad. 98% of the people reading this have heard every criticism possible about 'green' (ok, Vivid) a thousand times before. I dunno how you guys keep nourishing your rage but I'm very impressed that there is so little else wrong with your lives that complaining about a company that produces movies of gorgeous women having sex is so high on your list of things to do. Every now and then things become clear. [Link]
Manetho71 Member 185 Posts 9/02	Posted - Nov 27 2002 : 4:03AM Excalibur, if you don't want Deep Inside Chasey Lain , I know someone who does. Edited by - manetho71 on 11/27/2002 4:03:48 AM [Link]
astroknight Questionable Moderator Tastes so good... 4187 Posts 11/99	Posted - Nov 27 2002 : 10:09AM Vivid can make some okay features, and like everybody, has hits and misses. I've seen many movies I liked from them, and I'm waiting for many I enjoyed when I started watching porn to make it to DVD. Like the others have said, when you're making as much money doing what you're doing, why change? My biggst problem with Vivid right now is the authoring on their DVDs, which from the last couple I've seen, does bring the word "crap" to mind. I think the last two or three DVDs I watched of theirs kicked me back to the main menu in the middle of the feature (I think at the layer change), and you had to mess around with the chapter menu to try and get back into the feature. There were also a couple other problems that seemed just as juvenile. I'm sorry, but Vivid is probably the studio that gets the majority of the mainstream attention (if not the top, then definitely in the top three). Like others have said, a good portion of people are introduced to porn through Vivid, and when they do a lousy job I think it brings people's opinion of the adult industry down even further. Heck, people still laugh at the adult industry's use of multiple angles because of the horrible job Vivid started with them despite most companies doing them right. Whether you like Vivid's movies or not, they're still one of the top companies out there. I just wish Vivid would realize it and start acting like it with their DVDs. [Link]

vodka tonic coolest cucumber who 1243 Posts 11/02	Posted - Nov 27 2002 : 1:18PM As a core Vivid productions buyer, I felt so insulted at first by the title of the thread that I did not care to answer. With 14 answers, I thought : "ok, maybe there's gonna be a silent minority of feature lovers that are finally gonna express themselves here". I was pleasantly surprised that Vivid didn't take the bashing I expected. I wholefully agree that Vivid certainly don't push the envelopes they should be pushing as of lately. It's common knowledge among porn aficionados that there's no point in renting or buying, say, the latest Taylor Hayes or Kobe Tai if you expect gagging, anal d.p or record-breaking sexual performances. What I expect from Vivid is, in order : a viewer-friendly boxcover, extremely good-looking performers, an attempt at storytelling, professional lighting & above average post-production. Unfortunately, I will admit that not all of these points, which I think should be Vivid mandatory, haven't been respected in their productions lately. 1) How come with so much money on their hands and their positioning as couples'friendly, hence women-friendly, they're still unable to sign good-looking male performers?Except for Dale DaBone & Joey Ray, there's more male eye candy in Leisure Time productions. 2) What's the matter with the editing ? Some sex scenes are stopped dead right in the middle or downright absent from the DVD version, which you will then find in the behind-the-scenes featurette. Supposedly this is made to fit all the bonus. Excuse me, but if I wanted to see a comp, I'd buy one. I'm a Paul thomas fan because I know I'll get relevant dialogue, progressive storytelling & finished sex scenes. When I don't, not only I feel cheated, but I also feel the director has been cheated. I want my whole movie, and if it means not getting this useless photo gallery & this bonus TJ Hart segement, I think I can survive, thank u. 3) Multi-angles, indeed. I don't know if this option adds up to the running time, but this is something I could do without too. The angles not only are systematically asynchronous, but I remember at least one instance (in Robby D.'s "Unconscious"), where they so blundered on the angles that,in an orgy scene, Dasha could be seen having sex w.Vince Voyeur in Angle 1, and then u switched to Angle 2 and Voyeur magically transformed into Erik Everhard! Fantastically ridiculous ! Maybe they really are persuaded their audience is dumb, after all. I keep on buying Vivid dvds because they still deliver in lighting, beautiful actresses & overall production values (costumes, sets, etc...). But if they want stay numero uno in the couples' market, they'd better address these issues soon, since I'm looking more & more into the VCA & Digital Sin dvd catalogue lately, and coming from such a die-hard Vivid fan, this definitely means something. i should be so lucky, lucky lucky lucky [Link]
wendy divine Member 116 Posts 7/01	Posted - Nov 27 2002 : 5:51PM I have worked for Vivid on many occasions.. I've been to the office plenty of times.. and I've seen dozens of productions and videos etc... Not only that my husband is a constant performer for their movies.. I've read most of the things said here.. and I guess what I'm thinking is that.. it's trully hard to understand something when you're so far away from it.. meaning.. talent is involved all the time with the productions in many ways.. so we see what goes on.. and for the most part understand the reasoning behind some of the actions taken by a few of the studios... Vivid's biggest thing is.. their marketing.. that is what makes them... and the fact that they play to couples.. which is a really big market now.. having the cable versions and contracts with certain hotel chains etc.. they've got a great deal going for them .. as far as anything else.. well... if you only knew... it's a strange world.. and it never ceases to amaze me how things work out.. I think whoever does their marketing should win awards.. [Link]
skronker Notable Legendary Icon Scopophiliac 9780 Posts 9/02	Posted - Nov 27 2002 : 8:34PM I may have to go check out some recent Vivid title just to see what constitutes one of their features these days. But I feel I've seen a million of 'em in some hotel room on a business trip. My feeling is that it's bland and sanitized glamor-porn, without much juice or juju. Tell you the truth, when I've watched porn with a gal pal, its usually something with Rocco ... [Link]
astroknight Questionable Moderator Tastes so good... 4187 Posts 11/99	Posted - Nov 27 2002 : 10:42PM wendy divine wrote: ...it's trully hard to understand something when you're so far away from it.. I think whoever does their marketing should win awards.. Click to expand Very, very true! [Link]
skronker Notable Legendary Icon Scopophiliac 9780 Posts 9/02	Posted - Nov 27 2002 : 11:24PM Yes, I can easily say that I hear about Vivid so much that I wager its profile ("Q factor," as they say in advertising) is equal to that of many mainstream media outfits. It is probably what most people who aren't porn afficianados think of when they think of porn. And a big reason for that is surely that the house style is not risking offending anyone (other those opposed to porn on principle). And the marketing. But they're selling the sizzle and not the steak, so to speak. And that's the oldest porn tradition going. [Link]
Bill All-Star Member 5334 Posts 6/00	Posted - Nov 27 2002 : 11:30PM wendy divine wrote: I think whoever does their marketing should win awards.. Click to expand It's only poor products that need good marketing to generate their sales. Good products sell themselves. That having been said, I agree, as a porn company, the majority of Vivid's great work is done by their marketing department. [Link]
ThighMaster Member 169 Posts 1/02	Posted - Nov 28 2002 : 3:36AM I really like Vivid movies. I watch porn by myself, not with a girlfriend. I enjoy the hot girls, lavish sets, and high production values. I especially like the features directed by Paul Thomas. However, I've got a couple "Deep Inside" compilation DVDs that I'm not thrilled about. Saki wrote: It's a well-known fact that a number of Vivid DVDs are edited from their VHS original releases. Reasons people give for that are primarily to make room for their DVD extras or because *once a title goes to catalog (i.e. is not a new release), it's re-edited to fit on less costly VHS tapes.* Click to expand What exactly does this mean? Are certain scenes deleted? Or shortened? I really didn't know about this. Oh, and I'd like to wish the moderators and everyone else here a Happy Thanksgiving day. I just used the "comparison cart" and read a lot of reviews last night, and saved a bundle of cash! This site has been most helpful! [Link]
Bill All-Star Member 5334 Posts 6/00	Posted - Nov 28 2002 : 11:22AM ThighMaster wrote: What exactly does this mean? Are certain scenes deleted? Or shortened? I really didn't know about this. Click to expand In the past (and maybe this is still the case), when Vivid modified the 'status' of their movies from "New Release" to "Catalog" they would replicate that movie on cheaper tape stock. Often, in order to fit a movie onto these tapes, they would edit or even delete a scene or two. For whatever reason, when DVD was introduced, Vivid released many of their older titles using the "catalog" version of the movie rather than the original version (many people assume that it was so Vivid could fit all of the extra stuff on their discs (probably a marketing decision rather than a creative one). The other thing that they did with virtually all movies that were shot before anyone ever considered DVD and multi-angles, is to edit scenes from the VHS version so they gave the illusion of multi-angle. What they were really doing was taking a sex postion that may have lasted 3 minutes on VHS and cutting it to a one minute scene that had 3 different angles. They weren't 3 synchronized shots, just 3 shots of the same scene. Now that DVD is in their mind at the time of shooting a movie, this no longer happens. Basically, if you are thinking about buying an older Vivid title, do some research. The title may be an edited version. If you are buying a new Vivid title, I wouldn't be concerned. [Link]
mookiemeister Super Cool Dude 181 Posts 7/02	Posted - Nov 28 2002 : 7:06PM I also don't know why so many people are bashing Vivid. I was first introduced to porn through Vivid and have since watched a lot of their movies. I've enjoyed most of them. In case anyone is curious, I'm a single guy. "There are three ways to get to the top of the ladder: talent, luck, or being an asshole by stepping on someone's head. Most people on the top of the ladder are neither talented nor lucky." - Unknown [Link]
caroline-NL Member 543 Posts 3/07	Posted - Feb 8 2008 : 3:04PM Vivids marketing is good, their movies arent. I cant remember one title in 2007 that interested me only a little bit. They should stop production and should only re-release their old titles and the annual calendar. I think WICKED has superseded Vivid in sales of new movies, or not ? [Link]

Cuddly Wombat Senior Member Just another bare bum in the shiower 1739 Posts 12/04	Posted - Feb 8 2008 : 11:46PM Monique Alexander's anal debut in "Call Girl Confidential" was probably the only Vivid title of 2007 that caught my interest. [Link]
mapofhawaii Senior Member 1050 Posts 3/06	Posted - Feb 9 2008 : 12:34PM It's gotta make you wonder why Vivid consistently wins a lot of awards every year at AVN, when they really don't have a ton of supporters from the fans it seems. I know there is the issue about advertising in AVN and the fact that Vivid sells a lot of stuff to cable. [Link]
Anadin Member 307 Posts 4/05	Posted - Feb 10 2008 : 3:28AM Holy cow, y'all resurrected a 6 year old thread. That's gotta be some sorta record, that is by far the longest gap between posts I've ever seen. [Link]
Gentleman Jon All-Star Member 1881 Posts 6/05	Posted - Feb 10 2008 : 10:33AM ^No, this past week people have been bumping threads that were started by moderators in November 1999 before ADT was even open to the public. [Link]
franco Deactivated User 766 Posts 1/08	Posted - Feb 10 2008 : 12:34PM Don't know how true but I have heard from numerous people they are making Brianna Banks do a blackmaled like Savanna and Janine. Guess they are trying new things to improve business. [Link]
BSD Senior Member San Diego, CA 2508 Posts 11/03	Posted - Feb 11 2008 : 6:22PM Friends - Hello. My name is BSD and yesterday, after over 30 years of being deeply immersed in porn, yesterday I rented my first ever Vivid dvd. Or Vivid product of any kind. (Oh the lengths I'll go for Abbey Brooks.) Anyway, after 24 hours of having this Vivid dvd, I'm about half-way through the opening Vivid.com, Vivid sex toys, Vivid phone sex, Vivd movies, Vivid clothing, Vivid lunchboxes, Vivid lifestyle, 2257 crap before the real product starts. I think I'll get to see my Abbey finally meet a dick, sometime Wednesday morning if my calculations are correct. BSD P.S. - Tomorrow I'm going back to the smut hut that I rented it from and insist that I not be assessed any late fees seeing as to how I've been running the dvd for almost two days and the movie still hasn't started yet. P.S.S. - No, you can't fast forward through, or skip over, the bullshit. [Link]
BigMMoney Deactivated User 164 Posts 11/07	Posted - Feb 12 2008 : 5:59PM Edited by - bigmmoney on 2/27/2008 5:25:07 PM [Link]
Anadin Member 307 Posts 4/05	Posted - Feb 12 2008 : 6:12PM franco wrote: Don't know how true but I have heard from numerous people they are making Brianna Banks do a blackmaled like Savanna and Janine. Guess they are trying new things to improve business. Click to expand I doubt it'll ever happen. Anyway is Briana even with Vivid? For some strange reason I have it my head that she retired. [Link]
MsM7784 Member 56 Posts 9/07	Posted - Feb 12 2008 : 6:18PM Anadin wrote: I doubt it'll ever happen. Anyway is Briana even with Vivid? For some strange reason I have it my head that she retired. Click to expand briana is with vivid again, just read the interview: Xcitement Magazine [Link]
backdoorman Senior Member Shake for me girl... I wanna be your backdoorman ! 2776 Posts 10/07	Posted - Feb 12 2008 : 6:56PM It's the Paul Thomas legacy ! "Censorship is the first step towards dictatorship !" Honest Ed [Link]

khyber Member 197 Posts 5/06	Posted - Feb 17 2008 : 11:04PM I've never been a fan of Vivid, I just don't like their style, but I used to sit through some Vivid movies in the past for one reason only : I was a Christy Canyon fan. Since then, I've stayed far away, and I don't have any desire to go back. [Link]
BigBoy Senior Member 3359 Posts 1/03	Posted - Feb 18 2008 : 12:26AM Why does Vivid Produce such crap? Somebody's got to do it! Damn it. [Link]
mindee Member If you don't break the rules, you'll never have any fun! 717 Posts 10/06	Posted - Feb 27 2008 : 6:35PM Vivid produces marshmallow fluff. But there's a big market for marshmallow fluff. While I'm not interested in what they make, there are plenty of people out there that want it. It's no different than GM making several different car lines. Not everybody wants the same thing. If all you want is gonzo hardcore, then you're not going to want to watch Vivid. On the other side if you want something soft and fluffy, your first choice is hardly going to be Max. From a business point they don't make crap. They're technically well done, and well marketed. But if you're looking for hardcore, Vivid will never be what you want. [Link]
RandomPrecision Senior Member Enjoy! 8175 Posts 3/06	Posted - Feb 27 2008 : 7:08PM Personally, I would put Vivid below some of the other studios that produce features and softcore. Vivid features have all the trappings that you look for in a good feature but there's something really hollow, sterile and cold about most of their stuff. I love a good feature as much as I love a good HC gonzo flick. I just got disgusted with being continually disappointed with Vivid features years ago and haven't watched them since. [Link]
4theheart Senior Member pornologist 3102 Posts 8/01	Posted - Feb 27 2008 : 9:55PM One issue that I have with vivid is, the amount of time between when a movie is shot and when its released. I.e. Briana Banks movie, shot in conjunction with Red light "Perfect Match", there was a press release on avn.com about the shooting of the movie, two years ago, and it hasn't come out yet (there are even hollywood movies that don't take that long from shooting to release.. iirc) Another thing that could be improved is its website, specifically, I'd like if they could have a clearer listing of who their contract girls are at any given point in time. A third thing is that it would be nice to at least have a rep from the company to talk to here, to receive feed back but also to give us notice of future projects (maybe that's asking too much, but I've liked interacting with Jules, and tricia here for example, and they have certainly influenced my purchasing decisions) [Link]
Fingerbangger Member 164 Posts 3/07	Posted - Feb 28 2008 : 3:21PM It's funny how all the Vivid haters who think the movies suck and would never watch them, seem to know the quality of every title released. If you hate the company and do not watch the titles how can you comment on them? Vivid has changed in the last three years and is offering a wide variety of titles. They still produce the couples type movies, but they also have new directors and harder movies, some of the stuff is the best I have seen(I work for an adult mag and watch a lot). One of their directors gets consistently excellent reviews from reviewers who would have never liked "Vivid Porn", guys like Roger Pipe, Den from CAVR, Xcritics, ect..... My point is, you should at least have some knowledge about what your discussing instead of just posting something you have no idea about. [Link]
alexl467 Member Bklyn, NY 873 Posts 4/03	Posted - Feb 28 2008 : 5:08PM Since Vivid is shooting them again I wish they would add 1 or 2 ir (BM/ non-BF) scenes to their feature movies that are not part of the Blackmaled series of DVDs, meaning like how they used to incorporate such scenes in their mid-nineties features. These ir scenes could play major roles in the storylines of their features, through such means as making the male lead characters men of color. They could also play minor ones through such means as having a White female friend of the lead female character go to a bar and end up hooking up with a guy who so happens to be Black. alexl467 [Link]
Savoy All-Star Member Sucker for Sinners 1844 Posts 12/06	Posted - Feb 29 2008 : 8:05AM Fingerbangger wrote: It's funny how all the Vivid haters who think the movies suck and would never watch them, seem to know the quality of every title released. If you hate the company and do not watch the titles how can you comment on them? Vivid has changed in the last three years and is offering a wide variety of titles. They still produce the couples type movies, but they also have new directors and harder movies, some of the stuff is the best I have seen(I work for an adult mag and watch a lot). One of their directors gets consistently excellent reviews from reviewers who would have never liked "Vivid Porn", guys like Roger Pipe, Den from CAVR, Xcritics, ect..... My point is, you should at least have some knowledge about what your discussing instead of just posting something you have no idea about. Click to expand I think most people haven't watched the newer stuff because they got fed up with the older stuff. It's much harder to get people to come back once they've been burned. So if Vivid is producing such great stuff now, how 'bout droppin' a couple directors' names and titles? Thanks. [Link]
TheDevilinMissJones Member 67 Posts 2/08	Posted - Feb 29 2008 : 12:10PM MMM. Yum. I love Vivid. I loved Chi Chi LaRue. Please, excuse me if there's another thread on this. I mean, this is like 2 years old, but this is what I gathered from Wiki: In 2006, LaRue announced he would no longer produce films for Vivid Video because they were featuring actors and actresses having sex without condoms.[2] Is he still shooting at all or just performing in West Hollywood and other ventures? I love anything by Paul "PT" Thomas. I loved New Devil in Miss Jones, Last Girl Standing, Debbie Does Dallas..Again. Those, of course, are the new mainstream productiosn he's done for Vivid. When I mean mainstream, most of those films were featured on a reality-like show on the Playboy Channel Vivid Valley and on a Showtime Special. I love Vivid, Wicked, Digital Playground, and the other production companies. It brings back the old days of Hollywood when Stars were contracted and so on. With that..do most girls set out for a contract or do they like the money and freedom without a contract? Is it easy to be a porn actress and be featured in a big production by one of these mentioned studios? [Link]
smallcock Deactivated User 131 Posts 8/07	Posted - Feb 29 2008 : 12:25PM Vivid is garbage. [Link]
alexl467 Member Bklyn, NY 873 Posts 4/03	Posted - Jun 15 2008 : 12:39AM Here are some ideas I think will help improve the movies Vivid Video releases. 1) Vivid needs to hire directors who are great at directing movies that have both engaging storylines and stroke worthy scenes, for example directors like Eli Cross and John Stagliano. 2) If Vivid plans to continue doing movies with ir scenes and scenes with gonzo type fair (i.e. anal, dp, & etc) in them please keep Paul Thomas away from their scripts and from behind the camera. No offense but through the convoluted scripts he has written over the years and the cold and boring documentary manner in which he shoots and edits his productions I think he has repeatedly ruin any heat those scenes could have had. 3) If Vivid plans to continue doing movies with ir scenes and scenes with gonzo type fair (i.e. anal, dp, & etc) in them I think they should go about doing them in a manner that would seem revolutionary by today’s standards and not the standards of the mid 90s. For example if they are going to continue doing the Blackmaled series each new edition should contain more than just one ir (BM/non-BF) scene it, and at least one of those scenes should play a main role in their edition’s storyline. 4) Since it is such a successful selling point Vivid needs to begin taken the approach that Jim Holiday use to take with anal sex in the semi-hardcore cable versions of his movies. Do to the fact that most adult channels do not allow anal penetration to be clearly shown on screen he use to shoot and edit this act in a soft-core manner and also have the female performers on the receiving end of this act vocalize that they’re being banged in their butts. In most cases he used to show anal sex occurring in the cable versions of his movies’ scenes for a good amount of minutes. He used to also shoot and edit this act occurring in a number of ways, such as carefully filmed wide shots, two shots, and reaction shots. 5) (This idea is based on posts I’ve read and the cable versions of their movies I have seen) Vivid needs to be less strict with the editing of their movies. From posts I read and things I seen it appears that Vivid regularly destroys the heat and the stroke worthiness of their movie’s scenes with their very strict editing. An example of this in my own opinion can be seen when you watch both the Vivid Valley segment where they show the behind the scenes of lesbian strap-on orgy scene from “Last Girl Standing” and the cable version of the same scene. In the Vivid Valley footage there was a lot of heat and stroke worthy and intense action occurring, but in the cable version all I saw was very boringly captured and very vanilla / robotic sex action occurring. alexl467 [Link]
jrsl76 Senior Member Perfection 4024 Posts 8/07	Posted - Jun 15 2008 : 1:42AM This is all that interests me from Vivid: 1.) Sunny Leone and her movies - less the g/g (though some of that is good). Sunny Loves Matt was awesome and much harder than I expected. Sunny is incredibly gorgeous and has my attention. 2.) Their gonzo offshoots - Brand New Faces is nice. I like the new girls in their first scenes. I also like some of the Cezar Capone directed Filthy Films stuff - Filthy First Timers & Filthy Senoritas. Anything other than that, I couldn't give two shits about. [Link]
BlackSix All-Star Member pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07	Posted - Jun 15 2008 : 3:56AM They have a big butt series (the name escapes me right now) that is pretty damn good too actually. [Link]
bone70 Member USA 376 Posts 2/05	Posted - Jun 15 2008 : 5:28AM What makes me mad is that when they do have a star who could make some hot movies you might not see her for a whole year or more. I love briana banks and her movie "Perfect Match" was really good. Not from Vivid of course. And now nothing for months and months. They let their stars be forgotten. I understand not wanting to turn out one a week, but one a year doesn't work either. New girls come along too quickly and people go on to their next favorite. Briana enjoys being nasty. Let her do her thing and sell some product!!!! [Link]
jrsl76 Senior Member Perfection 4024 Posts 8/07	Posted - Jun 15 2008 : 10:10AM BlackSix wrote: They have a big butt series (the name escapes me right now) that is pretty damn good too actually. Click to expand What's the name of the series? This I might be interested in as well. [Link]
Derek117 Senior Member 1605 Posts 1/06	Posted - Jun 15 2008 : 11:40AM A few comments. Many fans who dislike Vivid NEVER will like them. Vivid does not make aggressive or extreme porn. Other companies already do that better than Vivid could. And the harder-core porn reduces the ability of Vivid to sell to ALL markets (cable, hotels etc.), which effects their profits. Still, there is a very large audience who will pay for their product. Remember, it's generally acknowledged (in AVN, XBIZ, mainstream press) that Vivid makes more money than ANY other porn company. So there are a lot of non-extreme, non-gonzo, non-aggressive porn fans out there--who don't post on Message Boards, like this. To answer the question: Vivid is about profits, and the sexvids they produce gets them the most revenue. It's a business. [Link]

Author

Post

Excalibur1242
Member

61 Posts
6/02

Posted - Nov 26 2002 : 3:37PM

I don't know. Vivid movies just seem not-as-good for some odd reason despite the fact that they've got the best looking women in porn. I bought Deep Inside April, Devon, & Chasey Lain. After watching the April and Devon discs, I guess the quality and the length seem redited and shortened. Can somebody explain why their videos aren't as great as most adult movies are?

[Link]

Hardware

All-Star Member

Your other left
14594 Posts
3/02

Posted - Nov 26 2002 : 4:23PM

You raise a concern about Vivid compilations that has been expressed before, they do appear to be cutting up the scenes.
However, your question seems to indicate a blanket condemnation of their movies. Are you talking about production values, or content? If you're talking about content, then the only explanation is that you don't fit their target audience profile. I'm sure their target audience is very happy with their product, otherwise they wouldn't be in business still, after all these years.

[Link]

Saki
At-Large

2087 Posts
11/99

Posted - Nov 26 2002 : 4:24PM

To each his own. There are obviously enough people who like Vivid movies or aren't exposed to other studios. Vivid is unapologetic about the style of porn it produces and clearly is trying to appeal to the mass market by means of satellite and pay cable. To that end, the hardcore and the quality take back seat to the marketing and the markets.

It's a well-known fact that a number of Vivid DVDs are edited from their VHS original releases. Reasons people give for that are primarily to make room for their DVD extras or because once a title goes to catalog (i.e. is not a new release), it's re-edited to fit on less costly VHS tapes. Since they'd already re-edited a lot of masters before DVD became popular, there was not a lot of motivation to go back and re-edit. Remember, Vivid has hundreds, if not thousands, of movies and videos in its catalog.

I've given up a long time ago trying to understand Vivid. They are satisfied with their product, and there's too much porn out there for me to spend time asking why.

Finally, from a moderator's standpoint, please avoid the use of inflammatory subjects for threads. It's not necessary and only serves to become a magnet for a moderator.

- Saki

Edited by - saki on 11/26/2002 4:26:47 PM

[Link]

PornoBoy
Member

145 Posts
7/02

Posted - Nov 26 2002 : 4:35PM

Vivid doesn't have to worry about pleasing the more "hardcore" fan - they've got such a lock on the "couples" market and the ol' pay-per-view hotel thing, that they really don't need to risk things by making their movies more "hardcore".

In other words, why mess with success? I agree most of their films don't appeal to me...but lets be honest, nine times out of ten, your first exposure to porn is probably going to be a film from Vivid.

[Link]

Hardware

All-Star Member

Your other left
14594 Posts
3/02

Posted - Nov 26 2002 : 4:45PM

You know, I still enjoy some of Vivid's releases. This from a man who thinks Heavy Metal is a great movie and whose last purchase what Whack Attack 15. Go figure.

[Link]

Manetho71
Member

185 Posts
9/02

Posted - Nov 26 2002 : 5:18PM

Say what you will, but Vivid is great when you want to introduce your wife or girlfriend to porn. There's plenty of other stuff out there if you don't like it.

[Link]

Winters_Bane
Member

California
130 Posts
9/02

Posted - Nov 26 2002 : 9:09PM

And to many ppl the actress is far more important than the act itself! I'm defintely one of them! :)

"Your daddy works in porno
Now that mommy's not around. . ."

[Link]

aybesea
Senior Member

Caroline Cage - Hungarian Hottie!
1485 Posts
5/02

Posted - Nov 26 2002 : 9:24PM

I hardly consider Vivid to be a crap studio. Let's look at a few facts:

1) First and foremost, Vivid makes a LOT of money. It is a well run business that has a very strong niche. They have monopolized the market within their niche. Hardly what I would consider a crap move.

2) They have signed what may arguably be the strongest stable of performers in porno today. Hardly a crap move.

3) They are extremely prolific in their production output. Hardly what I would perceive from a crap studio.

4) Their features obviously use modern cameras, lights, sets, wardrobes, locales... certainly not crap ingredients.

So, why the hullaballoo? Answer, because Vivid doesn't do the hardcore thing that so many of us love. OK, that's their perogative... just like it is your perogative to take your dollars elsewhere. But does that make them crap? I don't think so!

[Link]

BIGmike
B-I-G-m-i-k-e

2335 Posts
3/01

Posted - Nov 26 2002 : 9:27PM

I've been suckered into buying cable versions of a few of Vivid's VHS. But of course I had no way of knowing I was getting a cable version 'til after I bought it. I did enjoy the cable versions, but this was at a time when these were my first porno purchases.

I only say "suckered" because there they were on a store shelf, it was after I turned 18, and I thought what the hell, buy one. Of course I'd been reading Hustler for a couple years proir, but had yet to purchase an adult film... so I jumped at a couple of their VHS.

While I can't say that they were "satisfying", they did quench a thirst to see porn, and to legally possess it. Well they served their purpose.

I can't really be a judge of Vivid's DVDs, I can go by what a lot of people say, which is usually nothing good, or spectacular.

I can say that I've been interested in buying a few Vivid DVDs, but seeing is how they seem to be a "mess", I haven't yet.

But ya gotta admit, some of those covers, if not all, are HOT!

---BIGmike, going and going and going since MCMLXXX---

[Link]

RonK

Big Double Everything Fan

Poor Turkey running for her life with Christmas Hat
3713 Posts
9/01

Posted - Nov 26 2002 : 9:28PM

I would agree with Ay. I would not buy nor see Vivid stuff alone as there are no double anals and few dps, but they produce videos for their niche and they are strong in the niche. For my taste, Vivid is boring but then I may be jaded having seen too much hard stuff and double everythings.

Now if I were to see a porno title with a babe, especially a babe who likes Vivid stuff, I would happily watch Vivid videos.

Ron

[Link]

olduser
Deactivated User

Self-Removed User
215 Posts
3/02

Posted - Nov 26 2002 : 10:11PM

Personally, I think Vivid is good stuff, but i've become too jaded for their regular films. Who needs plot really, I just wait for the compilations. The only exception is their great Where the Boys Aren't series.

[Link]

Excalibur1242
Member

61 Posts
6/02

Posted - Nov 27 2002 : 12:40AM

I didn't expect this large of a reponse. I remember watching the Playboy Channel in junior high and thinking how awesome vivid was despite it being only X and more couples orientated. When I wrote my topic, I was lost for words. I couldn't explain why I didn't like Vivid. I do enjoy the bad girls series where everything is in jail but other movies are just either too low quality, edited badly, or too couple orientated for my taste even though I'm not a big fan of hardcore sex. I wrote the topic right after getting bored and disappointed watching Deep Inside April which I thought it could of been better. I liked watching April from her scenes from vca, but in her deep inside collabration, it seemed that the people who were in charge of researching scenes for the dvd just found whatever scenes that were there and didn't take the time to see if it was one of her best ones in vivid. There were scenes in which she wasn't the main focus. I ordered the Deep Inside Chasey Lain dvd because its was $10.95 and there were a few scenes in it that I remember seeing on playboy.

[Link]

Meridian
Member

155 Posts
8/01

Posted - Nov 27 2002 : 3:41AM

All this endless Vivid bashing is so boring. It's like there's a special club of people that hate the colour green, and every time anyone mentions the word or uses the color they jump out of the woodwork to criticise it. On and on and on. And 'not-as-good for some odd reason' is way above average in terms of detail and general interest levels, which is pretty sad.

98% of the people reading this have heard every criticism possible about 'green' (ok, Vivid) a thousand times before. I dunno how you guys keep nourishing your rage but I'm very impressed that there is so little else wrong with your lives that complaining about a company that produces movies of gorgeous women having sex is so high on your list of things to do.

Every now and then things become clear.

[Link]

Manetho71
Member

185 Posts
9/02

Posted - Nov 27 2002 : 4:03AM

Excalibur, if you don't want Deep Inside Chasey Lain , I know someone who does.

Edited by - manetho71 on 11/27/2002 4:03:48 AM

[Link]

astroknight

Questionable Moderator

Tastes so good...
4187 Posts
11/99

Posted - Nov 27 2002 : 10:09AM

Vivid can make some okay features, and like everybody, has hits and misses. I've seen many movies I liked from them, and I'm waiting for many I enjoyed when I started watching porn to make it to DVD. Like the others have said, when you're making as much money doing what you're doing, why change?

My biggst problem with Vivid right now is the authoring on their DVDs, which from the last couple I've seen, does bring the word "crap" to mind. I think the last two or three DVDs I watched of theirs kicked me back to the main menu in the middle of the feature (I think at the layer change), and you had to mess around with the chapter menu to try and get back into the feature. There were also a couple other problems that seemed just as juvenile.

I'm sorry, but Vivid is probably the studio that gets the majority of the mainstream attention (if not the top, then definitely in the top three). Like others have said, a good portion of people are introduced to porn through Vivid, and when they do a lousy job I think it brings people's opinion of the adult industry down even further. Heck, people still laugh at the adult industry's use of multiple angles because of the horrible job Vivid started with them despite most companies doing them right. Whether you like Vivid's movies or not, they're still one of the top companies out there. I just wish Vivid would realize it and start acting like it with their DVDs.

[Link]

vodka tonic
coolest cucumber

who
1243 Posts
11/02

Posted - Nov 27 2002 : 1:18PM

As a core Vivid productions buyer, I felt so insulted at first by the title of the thread that I did not care to answer. With 14 answers, I thought : "ok, maybe there's gonna be a silent minority of feature lovers that are finally gonna express themselves here". I was pleasantly surprised that Vivid didn't take the bashing I expected.
I wholefully agree that Vivid certainly don't push the envelopes they should be pushing as of lately. It's common knowledge among porn aficionados that there's no point in renting or buying, say, the latest Taylor Hayes or Kobe Tai if you expect gagging, anal d.p or record-breaking sexual performances. What I expect from Vivid is, in order : a viewer-friendly boxcover, extremely good-looking performers, an attempt at storytelling, professional lighting & above average post-production. Unfortunately, I will admit that not all of these points, which I think should be Vivid mandatory, haven't been respected in their productions lately.
1) How come with so much money on their hands and their positioning as couples'friendly, hence women-friendly, they're still unable to sign good-looking male performers?Except for Dale DaBone & Joey Ray, there's more male eye candy in Leisure Time productions.
2) What's the matter with the editing ? Some sex scenes are stopped dead right in the middle or downright absent from the DVD version, which you will then find in the behind-the-scenes featurette. Supposedly this is made to fit all the bonus. Excuse me, but if I wanted to see a comp, I'd buy one. I'm a Paul thomas fan because I know I'll get relevant dialogue, progressive storytelling & finished sex scenes. When I don't, not only I feel cheated, but I also feel the director has been cheated. I want my whole movie, and if it means not getting this useless photo gallery & this bonus TJ Hart segement, I think I can survive, thank u.
3) Multi-angles, indeed. I don't know if this option adds up to the running time, but this is something I could do without too. The angles not only are systematically asynchronous, but I remember at least one instance (in Robby D.'s "Unconscious"), where they so blundered on the angles that,in an orgy scene, Dasha could be seen having sex w.Vince Voyeur in Angle 1, and then u switched to Angle 2 and Voyeur magically transformed into Erik Everhard! Fantastically ridiculous ! Maybe they really are persuaded their audience is dumb, after all.
I keep on buying Vivid dvds because they still deliver in lighting, beautiful actresses & overall production values (costumes, sets, etc...). But if they want stay numero uno in the couples' market, they'd better address these issues soon, since I'm looking more & more into the VCA & Digital Sin dvd catalogue lately, and coming from such a die-hard Vivid fan, this definitely means something.

i should be so lucky, lucky lucky lucky

[Link]

wendy divine
Member

116 Posts
7/01

Posted - Nov 27 2002 : 5:51PM

I have worked for Vivid on many occasions.. I've been to the office plenty of times.. and I've seen dozens of productions and videos etc... Not only that my husband is a constant performer for their movies.. I've read most of the things said here.. and I guess what I'm thinking is that.. it's trully hard to understand something when you're so far away from it.. meaning.. talent is involved all the time with the productions in many ways.. so we see what goes on.. and for the most part understand the reasoning behind some of the actions taken by a few of the studios... Vivid's biggest thing is.. their marketing.. that is what makes them... and the fact that they play to couples.. which is a really big market now.. having the cable versions and contracts with certain hotel chains etc.. they've got a great deal going for them .. as far as anything else.. well... if you only knew... it's a strange world.. and it never ceases to amaze me how things work out.. I think whoever does their marketing should win awards..

[Link]

skronker
Notable Legendary Icon

Scopophiliac
9780 Posts
9/02

Posted - Nov 27 2002 : 8:34PM

I may have to go check out some recent Vivid title just to see what constitutes one of their features these days. But I feel I've seen a million of 'em in some hotel room on a business trip. My feeling is that it's bland and sanitized glamor-porn, without much juice or juju. Tell you the truth, when I've watched porn with a gal pal, its usually something with Rocco ...

[Link]

astroknight

Questionable Moderator

Tastes so good...
4187 Posts
11/99

Posted - Nov 27 2002 : 10:42PM

Very, very true!

[Link]

skronker
Notable Legendary Icon

Scopophiliac
9780 Posts
9/02

Posted - Nov 27 2002 : 11:24PM

Yes, I can easily say that I hear about Vivid so much that I wager its profile ("Q factor," as they say in advertising) is equal to that of many mainstream media outfits. It is probably what most people who aren't porn afficianados think of when they think of porn. And a big reason for that is surely that the house style is not risking offending anyone (other those opposed to porn on principle). And the marketing. But they're selling the sizzle and not the steak, so to speak. And that's the oldest porn tradition going.

[Link]

Bill

All-Star Member

5334 Posts
6/00

Posted - Nov 27 2002 : 11:30PM

It's only poor products that need good marketing to generate their sales. Good products sell themselves.

That having been said, I agree, as a porn company, the majority of Vivid's great work is done by their marketing department.

[Link]

ThighMaster
Member

169 Posts
1/02

Posted - Nov 28 2002 : 3:36AM

I really like Vivid movies. I watch porn by myself, not with a girlfriend. I enjoy the hot girls, lavish sets, and high production values. I especially like the features directed by Paul Thomas. However, I've got a couple "Deep Inside" compilation DVDs that I'm not thrilled about.

What exactly does this mean? Are certain scenes deleted? Or shortened? I really didn't know about this.

Oh, and I'd like to wish the moderators and everyone else here a Happy Thanksgiving day. I just used the "comparison cart" and read a lot of reviews last night, and saved a bundle of cash! This site has been most helpful!

[Link]

Bill

All-Star Member

5334 Posts
6/00

Posted - Nov 28 2002 : 11:22AM

In the past (and maybe this is still the case), when Vivid modified the 'status' of their movies from "New Release" to "Catalog" they would replicate that movie on cheaper tape stock. Often, in order to fit a movie onto these tapes, they would edit or even delete a scene or two.

For whatever reason, when DVD was introduced, Vivid released many of their older titles using the "catalog" version of the movie rather than the original version (many people assume that it was so Vivid could fit all of the extra stuff on their discs (probably a marketing decision rather than a creative one).

The other thing that they did with virtually all movies that were shot before anyone ever considered DVD and multi-angles, is to edit scenes from the VHS version so they gave the illusion of multi-angle. What they were really doing was taking a sex postion that may have lasted 3 minutes on VHS and cutting it to a one minute scene that had 3 different angles. They weren't 3 synchronized shots, just 3 shots of the same scene.

Now that DVD is in their mind at the time of shooting a movie, this no longer happens.

Basically, if you are thinking about buying an older Vivid title, do some research. The title may be an edited version. If you are buying a new Vivid title, I wouldn't be concerned.

[Link]

mookiemeister
Super Cool Dude

181 Posts
7/02

Posted - Nov 28 2002 : 7:06PM

I also don't know why so many people are bashing Vivid. I was first introduced to porn through Vivid and have since watched a lot of their movies. I've enjoyed most of them. In case anyone is curious, I'm a single guy.

"There are three ways to get to the top of the ladder: talent, luck, or being an asshole by stepping on someone's head. Most people on the top of the ladder are neither talented nor lucky." - Unknown

[Link]

caroline-NL
Member

543 Posts
3/07

Posted - Feb 8 2008 : 3:04PM

Vivids marketing is good, their movies arent. I cant remember one title in 2007 that interested me only a little bit. They should stop production and should only re-release their old titles and the annual calendar. I think WICKED has superseded Vivid in sales of new movies, or not ?

[Link]

Cuddly Wombat
Senior Member

Just another bare bum in the shiower
1739 Posts
12/04

Posted - Feb 8 2008 : 11:46PM

Monique Alexander's anal debut in "Call Girl Confidential" was probably the only Vivid title of 2007 that caught my interest.

[Link]

mapofhawaii
Senior Member

1050 Posts
3/06

Posted - Feb 9 2008 : 12:34PM

It's gotta make you wonder why Vivid consistently wins a lot of awards every year at AVN, when they really don't have a ton of supporters from the fans it seems. I know there is the issue about advertising in AVN and the fact that Vivid sells a lot of stuff to cable.

[Link]

Anadin
Member

307 Posts
4/05

Posted - Feb 10 2008 : 3:28AM

Holy cow, y'all resurrected a 6 year old thread.
That's gotta be some sorta record, that is by far the longest gap between posts I've ever seen.

[Link]

Gentleman Jon

All-Star Member

1881 Posts
6/05

Posted - Feb 10 2008 : 10:33AM

^No, this past week people have been bumping threads that were started by moderators in November 1999 before ADT was even open to the public.

[Link]

franco
Deactivated User

766 Posts
1/08

Posted - Feb 10 2008 : 12:34PM

Don't know how true but I have heard from numerous people they are making Brianna Banks do a blackmaled like Savanna and Janine. Guess they are trying new things to improve business.

[Link]

BSD
Senior Member

San Diego, CA
2508 Posts
11/03

Posted - Feb 11 2008 : 6:22PM

Friends -
Hello.
My name is BSD and yesterday, after over 30 years of being deeply immersed in porn, yesterday I rented my first ever Vivid dvd. Or Vivid product of any kind.
(Oh the lengths I'll go for Abbey Brooks.)
Anyway, after 24 hours of having this Vivid dvd, I'm about half-way through the opening Vivid.com, Vivid sex toys, Vivid phone sex, Vivd movies, Vivid clothing, Vivid lunchboxes, Vivid lifestyle, 2257 crap before the real product starts.
I think I'll get to see my Abbey finally meet a dick, sometime Wednesday morning if my calculations are correct.
BSD
P.S. - Tomorrow I'm going back to the smut hut that I rented it from and insist that I not be assessed any late fees seeing as to how I've been running the dvd for almost two days and the movie still hasn't started yet.
P.S.S. - No, you can't fast forward through, or skip over, the bullshit.

[Link]

BigMMoney
Deactivated User

164 Posts
11/07

Posted - Feb 12 2008 : 5:59PM

Edited by - bigmmoney on 2/27/2008 5:25:07 PM

[Link]

Anadin
Member

307 Posts
4/05

Posted - Feb 12 2008 : 6:12PM

I doubt it'll ever happen. Anyway is Briana even with Vivid? For some strange reason I have it my head that she retired.

[Link]

MsM7784
Member

56 Posts
9/07

Posted - Feb 12 2008 : 6:18PM

briana is with vivid again, just read the interview:
Xcitement Magazine

[Link]

backdoorman
Senior Member

Shake for me girl... I wanna be your backdoorman !
2776 Posts
10/07

Posted - Feb 12 2008 : 6:56PM

It's the Paul Thomas legacy !
"Censorship is the first step towards dictatorship !" Honest Ed

[Link]

khyber
Member

197 Posts
5/06

Posted - Feb 17 2008 : 11:04PM

I've never been a fan of Vivid, I just don't like their style, but I used to sit through some Vivid movies in the past for one reason only :
I was a Christy Canyon fan.
Since then, I've stayed far away, and I don't have any desire to go back.

[Link]

BigBoy
Senior Member

3359 Posts
1/03

Posted - Feb 18 2008 : 12:26AM

Why does Vivid Produce such crap?
Somebody's got to do it! Damn it.

[Link]

mindee
Member

If you don't break the rules, you'll never have any fun!
717 Posts
10/06

Posted - Feb 27 2008 : 6:35PM

Vivid produces marshmallow fluff. But there's a big market for marshmallow fluff. While I'm not interested in what they make, there are plenty of people out there that want it. It's no different than GM making several different car lines. Not everybody wants the same thing. If all you want is gonzo hardcore, then you're not going to want to watch Vivid. On the other side if you want something soft and fluffy, your first choice is hardly going to be Max. From a business point they don't make crap. They're technically well done, and well marketed. But if you're looking for hardcore, Vivid will never be what you want.

[Link]

RandomPrecision
Senior Member

Enjoy!
8175 Posts
3/06

Posted - Feb 27 2008 : 7:08PM

Personally, I would put Vivid below some of the other studios that produce features and softcore. Vivid features have all the trappings that you look for in a good feature but there's something really hollow, sterile and cold about most of their stuff. I love a good feature as much as I love a good HC gonzo flick. I just got disgusted with being continually disappointed with Vivid features years ago and haven't watched them since.

[Link]

4theheart
Senior Member

pornologist
3102 Posts
8/01

Posted - Feb 27 2008 : 9:55PM

One issue that I have with vivid is, the amount of time between when a movie is shot and when its released. I.e. Briana Banks movie, shot in conjunction with Red light "Perfect Match", there was a press release on avn.com about the shooting of the movie, two years ago, and it hasn't come out yet (there are even hollywood movies that don't take that long from shooting to release.. iirc)
Another thing that could be improved is its website, specifically, I'd like if they could have a clearer listing of who their contract girls are at any given point in time.
A third thing is that it would be nice to at least have a rep from the company to talk to here, to receive feed back but also to give us notice of future projects (maybe that's asking too much, but I've liked interacting with Jules, and tricia here for example, and they have certainly influenced my purchasing decisions)

[Link]

Fingerbangger
Member

164 Posts
3/07

Posted - Feb 28 2008 : 3:21PM

It's funny how all the Vivid haters who think the movies suck and would never watch them, seem to know the quality of every title released. If you hate the company and do not watch the titles how can you comment on them? Vivid has changed in the last three years and is offering a wide variety of titles. They still produce the couples type movies, but they also have new directors and harder movies, some of the stuff is the best I have seen(I work for an adult mag and watch a lot). One of their directors gets consistently excellent reviews from reviewers who would have never liked "Vivid Porn", guys like Roger Pipe, Den from CAVR, Xcritics, ect..... My point is, you should at least have some knowledge about what your discussing instead of just posting something you have no idea about.

[Link]

alexl467
Member

Bklyn, NY
873 Posts
4/03

Posted - Feb 28 2008 : 5:08PM

Since Vivid is shooting them again I wish they would add 1 or 2 ir (BM/ non-BF) scenes to their feature movies that are not part of the Blackmaled series of DVDs, meaning like how they used to incorporate such scenes in their mid-nineties features. These ir scenes could play major roles in the storylines of their features, through such means as making the male lead characters men of color. They could also play minor ones through such means as having a White female friend of the lead female character go to a bar and end up hooking up with a guy who so happens to be Black.
alexl467

[Link]

Savoy

All-Star Member

Sucker for Sinners
1844 Posts
12/06

Posted - Feb 29 2008 : 8:05AM

Fingerbangger wrote:
It's funny how all the Vivid haters who think the movies suck and would never watch them, seem to know the quality of every title released. If you hate the company and do not watch the titles how can you comment on them? Vivid has changed in the last three years and is offering a wide variety of titles. They still produce the couples type movies, but they also have new directors and harder movies, some of the stuff is the best I have seen(I work for an adult mag and watch a lot). One of their directors gets consistently excellent reviews from reviewers who would have never liked "Vivid Porn", guys like Roger Pipe, Den from CAVR, Xcritics, ect..... My point is, you should at least have some knowledge about what your discussing instead of just posting something you have no idea about.
Click to expand

I think most people haven't watched the newer stuff because they got fed up with the older stuff. It's much harder to get people to come back once they've been burned.
So if Vivid is producing such great stuff now, how 'bout droppin' a couple directors' names and titles? Thanks.

[Link]

TheDevilinMissJones
Member

67 Posts
2/08

Posted - Feb 29 2008 : 12:10PM

MMM. Yum. I love Vivid. I loved Chi Chi LaRue.
Please, excuse me if there's another thread on this. I mean, this is like 2 years old, but this is what I gathered from Wiki:
In 2006, LaRue announced he would no longer produce films for Vivid Video because they were featuring actors and actresses having sex without condoms.[2]
Is he still shooting at all or just performing in West Hollywood and other ventures?
I love anything by Paul "PT" Thomas. I loved New Devil in Miss Jones, Last Girl Standing, Debbie Does Dallas..Again. Those, of course, are the new mainstream productiosn he's done for Vivid. When I mean mainstream, most of those films were featured on a reality-like show on the Playboy Channel Vivid Valley and on a Showtime Special.
I love Vivid, Wicked, Digital Playground, and the other production companies. It brings back the old days of Hollywood when Stars were contracted and so on.
With that..do most girls set out for a contract or do they like the money and freedom without a contract? Is it easy to be a porn actress and be featured in a big production by one of these mentioned studios?

[Link]

smallcock
Deactivated User

131 Posts
8/07

Posted - Feb 29 2008 : 12:25PM

Vivid is garbage.

[Link]

alexl467
Member

Bklyn, NY
873 Posts
4/03

Posted - Jun 15 2008 : 12:39AM

Here are some ideas I think will help improve the movies Vivid Video releases.
1) Vivid needs to hire directors who are great at directing movies that have both engaging storylines and stroke worthy scenes, for example directors like Eli Cross and John Stagliano.
2) If Vivid plans to continue doing movies with ir scenes and scenes with gonzo type fair (i.e. anal, dp, & etc) in them please keep Paul Thomas away from their scripts and from behind the camera. No offense but through the convoluted scripts he has written over the years and the cold and boring documentary manner in which he shoots and edits his productions I think he has repeatedly ruin any heat those scenes could have had.
3) If Vivid plans to continue doing movies with ir scenes and scenes with gonzo type fair (i.e. anal, dp, & etc) in them I think they should go about doing them in a manner that would seem revolutionary by today’s standards and not the standards of the mid 90s. For example if they are going to continue doing the Blackmaled series each new edition should contain more than just one ir (BM/non-BF) scene it, and at least one of those scenes should play a main role in their edition’s storyline.
4) Since it is such a successful selling point Vivid needs to begin taken the approach that Jim Holiday use to take with anal sex in the semi-hardcore cable versions of his movies. Do to the fact that most adult channels do not allow anal penetration to be clearly shown on screen he use to shoot and edit this act in a soft-core manner and also have the female performers on the receiving end of this act vocalize that they’re being banged in their butts. In most cases he used to show anal sex occurring in the cable versions of his movies’ scenes for a good amount of minutes. He used to also shoot and edit this act occurring in a number of ways, such as carefully filmed wide shots, two shots, and reaction shots.
5) (This idea is based on posts I’ve read and the cable versions of their movies I have seen) Vivid needs to be less strict with the editing of their movies. From posts I read and things I seen it appears that Vivid regularly destroys the heat and the stroke worthiness of their movie’s scenes with their very strict editing. An example of this in my own opinion can be seen when you watch both the Vivid Valley segment where they show the behind the scenes of lesbian strap-on orgy scene from “Last Girl Standing” and the cable version of the same scene. In the Vivid Valley footage there was a lot of heat and stroke worthy and intense action occurring, but in the cable version all I saw was very boringly captured and very vanilla / robotic sex action occurring.
alexl467

[Link]

jrsl76
Senior Member

Perfection
4024 Posts
8/07

Posted - Jun 15 2008 : 1:42AM

This is all that interests me from Vivid:
1.) Sunny Leone and her movies - less the g/g (though some of that is good). Sunny Loves Matt was awesome and much harder than I expected. Sunny is incredibly gorgeous and has my attention.
2.) Their gonzo offshoots - Brand New Faces is nice. I like the new girls in their first scenes. I also like some of the Cezar Capone directed Filthy Films stuff - Filthy First Timers & Filthy Senoritas.
Anything other than that, I couldn't give two shits about.

[Link]

BlackSix

All-Star Member

pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world
12377 Posts
9/07

Posted - Jun 15 2008 : 3:56AM

They have a big butt series (the name escapes me right now) that is pretty damn good too actually.

[Link]

bone70
Member

USA
376 Posts
2/05

Posted - Jun 15 2008 : 5:28AM

What makes me mad is that when they do have a star who could make some hot movies you might not see her for a whole year or more. I love briana banks and her movie "Perfect Match" was really good. Not from Vivid of course. And now nothing for months and months. They let their stars be forgotten. I understand not wanting to turn out one a week, but one a year doesn't work either. New girls come along too quickly and people go on to their next favorite. Briana enjoys being nasty. Let her do her thing and sell some product!!!!

[Link]

jrsl76
Senior Member

Perfection
4024 Posts
8/07

Posted - Jun 15 2008 : 10:10AM

What's the name of the series? This I might be interested in as well.

[Link]

Derek117
Senior Member

1605 Posts
1/06

Posted - Jun 15 2008 : 11:40AM

A few comments.
Many fans who dislike Vivid NEVER will like them. Vivid does not make aggressive or extreme porn. Other companies already do that better than Vivid could. And the harder-core porn reduces the ability of Vivid to sell to ALL markets (cable, hotels etc.), which effects their profits.
Still, there is a very large audience who will pay for their product. Remember, it's generally acknowledged (in AVN, XBIZ, mainstream press) that Vivid makes more money than ANY other porn company. So there are a lot of non-extreme, non-gonzo, non-aggressive porn fans out there--who don't post on Message Boards, like this.
To answer the question: Vivid is about profits, and the sexvids they produce gets them the most revenue. It's a business.

[Link]