Why is paying for porn looked down upon? (page 2)

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Gore Gore Girl Doctor of the Erotic Arts 7238 Posts 1/09	Posted - Jan 26 2014 : 9:38AM N00dlesDaddy wrote: I have genuinely never come across (no pun intended) a gal who I felt truly got off on watching non-couples friendly hetero porn. Click to expand That's an interesting qualification. Before, it was just "porn." [Link]
Draxxx Senior Member 3831 Posts 2/07	Posted - Jan 26 2014 : 9:54AM LCF wrote: Actually I'm getting rid of the jewel cases but I have to archive them to be able to find the movie I want when I want it. I don't have mags any more , but I own probably more than 3,000 DVDs already I really don't know how many they are, part of my collection is already stored (with covers stored in folders) but I don't have the time I need to do the storage properly. Click to expand Just out of curiosity...how much of your porn have you actually watched? With the porn I own I'd say I've only watch about 40% of it. In most cases when I buy a DVD it's to see specific girls and I ignore the rest. I have a bunch of stuff I've bought just to see one particular performer's scene and never bother with the rest. [Link]
Draxxx Senior Member 3831 Posts 2/07	Posted - Jan 26 2014 : 10:08AM Rosco Fuji wrote: If history and scandals have taught us anything, those who preach the loudest on an issue are usually the biggest offenders and have the most to hide. Click to expand That's probably not the case here though. Only a hand full of people make claims of rushing to buy those new releases in these boards. It's not hard to believe that those few do actually intend to buy those movies because many of the people on this sight are really into owning the highest quality product and many "collect" porn. Then there are those who simply realize if they don't support the industry it will dry up and fade away. I buy and pay for porn and I watch the free stuff too. The free stuff actually leads to me buying stuff because I want to see/own a better quality version of the free stuff. The free stuff gives me a chance of seeing stuff I would never see because it's not available to me otherwise. The problem isn't that the free stuff exists, the problem is that too many people have stopped paying for porn. [Link]
LCF All-Star Member Non Prevalebunt! 10364 Posts 1/05	Posted - Jan 26 2014 : 10:13AM ^^ much less than that ,very much like you I watch 1 or two scenes from a DVD, those I was interested in and made me buy it ,don't care for the others , but sometimes an actress enter in my radar and I discover I already had lots of her material but almost didn't know. So I watch around 40% of a DVD and maybe a similar percentage of my DVDs , my backlog is unbelievable (same for Videogames, movies and books), but I think it's just natural porn is not my top priority in life Edited by - LCF on 1/26/2014 10:15:17 AM [Link]

CummingLinguist All-Star Member 5908 Posts 11/11	Posted - Jan 26 2014 : 11:27AM LCF wrote: ... ... Click to expand I used to think I had a large porn collection, but I'm clearly a slacker. I store my porn (sans jewel cases) in a case that can hold 120 DVDs. It isn't full. Over my lifetime, I've rented much more than I purchased, and I periodically throw away titles that I know I won't watch again, so I have definitely paid for the privilege of watching thousands of porn films. Still, I doubt that I can come close to LCF, even if you counted all my rentals. [Link]
CummingLinguist All-Star Member 5908 Posts 11/11	Posted - Jan 26 2014 : 11:33AM Draxxx wrote: Just out of curiosity...how much of your porn have you actually watched? Click to expand I may even be less than 40%. When I was younger, I would watch an entire movie or two in a single session. (In fact, when I first started watching porn in theaters, the place I went to the most often would show three features in a row. I would sometimes watch all three in a single sitting. Now I tend to slide a DVD into my player when I'm in the mood for quick release, so I rarely finish a single scene. I rarely watch every scene on a DVD, and I often watch only one or two. [Link]
pat362 Senior Member 10083 Posts 3/10	Posted - Jan 26 2014 : 12:04PM Gore Gore Girl wrote: Joe Mayo wrote: ^^^ You could choose to support the smaller, independently-owned niche websites instead of the major players. I don't think enough people realize how many of these are out there. Click to expand +1 Most of the women I know (and some of the men) spend their money on these smaller companies. Edited by - Gore Gore Girl on 1/24/2014 3:42:40 PM Click to expand I don't necessarily disagree with you guys but it's been my experience that many of these independently owned niche sites are for the most part not very good and quite expensive. You do have the rare gem but we are talking maybe 1 in a 100 fall under that category. The odds get even worse if we are talking solo model sites. I'd say you are looking more at 1 in a 1000. [Link]
N00dlesDaddy Senior Member Layla...got me on my knees... 1793 Posts 7/13	Posted - Jan 26 2014 : 1:33PM Gore Gore Girl wrote: N00dlesDaddy wrote: I have genuinely never come across (no pun intended) a gal who I felt truly got off on watching non-couples friendly hetero porn. Click to expand That's an interesting qualification. Before, it was just "porn." Click to expand Sorry, I was being presumptuous that you knew what I meant by 'porn'. Are you saying that you fit the bill? [Link]
Goldstein All-Star Member "You have sacrificed nothing and no one." 3689 Posts 8/10	Posted - Jan 26 2014 : 1:39PM For God's sake already. Have we reached the point on ADT where we have to mince words and quibble over absolutely everything? [o\\|] [o\\|] [o\\|] [o\\|] [o\\|] [Link]
N00dlesDaddy Senior Member Layla...got me on my knees... 1793 Posts 7/13	Posted - Jan 26 2014 : 1:58PM ^ Um...who's quibbling? If you're gonna voice an opinion about something you might as well be clear about what you mean, yes? I'm pretty sure none of us are trolling on here so what's the problem? Regarding the discussions about collection size and percentage viewed, they may possibly be better suited to this thread. Personally, I do buy DVDs for specific stars but it's the actual content that mainly drives my purchases. Once I've started watching a disc I typically see it through to the end, however long that might take. Probably more than two thirds (easily) of my entire collection remains unwatched, though. [Link]
LCF All-Star Member Non Prevalebunt! 10364 Posts 1/05	Posted - Jan 26 2014 : 2:16PM Goldstein is right we're out of topic , a lot. [Link]
oldguy Senior Member 1270 Posts 3/06	Posted - Jan 29 2014 : 8:46AM ^^^ Janine, how do we get the ladies to watch more porn, seriously. I am talking ladies that post here and others in our personal life as well. This would be mentally healthy for the nation as a whole I am thinking. [Link]
charn fubar 2880 Posts 12/09	Posted - Jan 29 2014 : 12:02PM Discs should be stored vertically. A disc laid flat can be warped by gravity. [Link]
LCF All-Star Member Non Prevalebunt! 10364 Posts 1/05	Posted - Jan 29 2014 : 1:29PM ^ true but it would take a lot more space , I mean you need shelves thus some specific furniture I can just pile them up that way [Link]

klies Deactivated User 1733 Posts 5/09	Posted - Jan 29 2014 : 2:22PM gravity may effect DVDs only when they are stored over each other without case so that weight of all the above dvds fall on the lower ones.which wont happen when stored in cases. I can never store so much porn in physical form for 2 reasons: 1. what if i die in an accident and then my family members find out my collection.so embarrassing even after death. 2. what if due to any reason you get raided by cops and they find out your collection,then there is a chance of this making into the newspapers.I saw a crime series on discovery where a suspect(actually innocent) got termed as pervert in newspaper and court because he owned some porn. [Link]
ninja1 Senior Member 2939 Posts 1/08	Posted - Jan 29 2014 : 2:31PM If horizontal disc storage is a problem, why is this style of container so commonly used? [Link]
N00dlesDaddy Senior Member Layla...got me on my knees... 1793 Posts 7/13	Posted - Jan 29 2014 : 2:48PM klies wrote: gravity may effect DVDs only when they are stored over each other without case so that weight of all the above dvds fall on the lower ones.which wont happen when stored in cases. I can never store so much porn in physical form for 2 reasons: 1. what if i die in an accident and then my family members find out my collection.so embarrassing even after death. 2. what if due to any reason you get raided by cops and they find out your collection,then there is a chance of this making into the newspapers.I saw a crime series on discovery where a suspect(actually innocent) got termed as pervert in newspaper and court because he owned some porn. Click to expand If the discs are resting on a flat surface, I completely fail to see how the lower discs in a stack can be 'warped' by gravity. DVDs are flat to begin with, so how can this harm them? Even assuming it's true, it would probably take decades to happen. Regarding your reasons for not storing porn in physical form, I was reminded of the old Bill Hicks routine: "I always worry about dying, imagining my parents going to clear out my stuff and accidentally stumbling across the porno wing", LOL. As to your other point, I can't imagine anyone's DVD stash making it into the papers in this day and age (unless, of course, you're a paedo). [Link]
klies Deactivated User 1733 Posts 5/09	Posted - Jan 29 2014 : 3:03PM ^5-10 DVDs will not make the news but when newspaper comes to know about 50-60 porn DVDs from their police source then there is a good chance of them putting it in paper. LCF's collection is definitely coming up one day [Link]
ninja1 Senior Member 2939 Posts 1/08	Posted - Jan 29 2014 : 4:26PM pat362 wrote: I don't necessarily disagree with you guys but it's been my experience that many of these independently owned niche sites are for the most part not very good and quite expensive. You do have the rare gem but we are talking maybe 1 in a 100 fall under that category. The odds get even worse if we are talking solo model sites. I'd say you are looking more at 1 in a 1000. Click to expand I think it depends on your expectations. I go to the niche sites in search of particular subjects/themes/treatments the mainstream producers just don't do. I am able to eventually find what I want, though it takes a lot of searching and sifting and weeding out. OTOH if I had no particular goal in mind, and was just browsing around in search of "something good", then it is likely I would be disappointed, especially if I were generally satisfied with the offerings available from the mainstream porn market. [Link]
Goldstein All-Star Member "You have sacrificed nothing and no one." 3689 Posts 8/10	Posted - Jan 29 2014 : 5:08PM klies wrote: ^5-10 DVDs will not make the news but when newspaper comes to know about 50-60 porn DVDs from their police source then there is a good chance of them putting it in paper. (snip) Click to expand What happens when they discover 50-60 binders of porn DVDs and Blu-rays, 20-30 hard drives full of porn, 3-ring binders full of original DVD artwork (removed from the original storage cases) and then find boxes full of VHS porn tapes in your storage unit? All of it legal. Want to bet it leads the 11 PM local news [Link]
N00dlesDaddy Senior Member Layla...got me on my knees... 1793 Posts 7/13	Posted - Jan 29 2014 : 5:12PM klies wrote: ^5-10 DVDs will not make the news but when newspaper comes to know about 50-60 porn DVDs from their police source then there is a good chance of them putting it in paper. LCF's collection is definitely coming up one day Click to expand That's me screwed if I'm ever subjected to a raid, then - I have about two and a half thousand (and growing). Edited by - N00dlesDaddy on 2/5/2014 1:45:49 AM [Link]
ErinB Member "Emancipate yourself from mental slavery; None but ourselves can free our own minds." 51 Posts 6/12	Posted - Jan 29 2014 : 5:43PM fanman44 wrote: I just don't get it man. People look at you crazy when you say that you pay for porn. However, the fact is that there would be no new porn if it weren't for people like us on this site. Click to expand What's the difference between porn and say software? How many billions did companies like Microsoft and Apple lose here? What about the difference between porn and the music industry? If Led Zeppelin or the Beatles debuted today, they'd be worth a tiny fraction of what they were worth. What about the difference between porn and the mainstream movie industry? What about the difference between porn and the scholastic textbook industry? And so on an so forth. Times change and it's up to individual industries to adjust their business models. How do television companies "manage" to survive when in today's age of DVR's people can skip right through the commercials which bring in revenue for the stations? Take Hollywood DVD's. Do you realize the exact same DVD we pay $20 for here in the US might be sold by the exact same major parent company in Asia for say $3? Why is that? It's because the studios realize that pirating is even more rampant there, so they cut the cost of the DVD's because selling "some" at a lower profit margin is better than selling none at a zero profit margin. So what does that mean? That means these studios are still profiting off of making $3 on those discs (otherwise they wouldn't sell them) and therefore they are ripping consumers off here for an additional $17. Then these companies wonder why people pirate their stuff. Maybe instead of paying Tom Cruise $20M for a movie, they need to pay him only say $1M and lower the cost to the consumer... and before you think that's crazy, ask yourselves how many people would LOVE to be the star of a movie for "only" $1M. Again, major recording artists already have taken a huge hit in their earning potential as compared to decades past, so it's already happened in some industries. Or what about Apple/Microsoft? How many hundreds of dollars was Microsoft charging for Windows back in the day? Then Apple came "back" and charged WAY less for their Operating System. As time went on, instead of raising the price, Apple wisely lowered the price. Snow Leopard cost all of $19.99. And Apple's current O/S? It's called Mavericks and they released it for FREE. I'll say right now there are ways for a major porn company to release their porn for free and STILL make money. Or if you look at textbooks, why is a student going to pay $150 for a textbook they can get for free online? This would be the same textbook they "might" be able to sell back for say $25 at the end of the year if they are lucky enough to use the same book again. These companies switch versions left and right just so they can force students to buy new books. The students realize this, don't appreciate getting ripped off and so they'll find it for free online, or copy their friend's book, or find a free copy in the library and scan it, etc, etc, etc. Now compare that to say Dave Matthews Band. Instead of worrying about people "illegally" recording his concerts, he has openly allowed it. Why? Because he wisely realizes he can't stop it. So he has a ton of home shot movies of his concerts all over the web for free. And what's that accomplished? It's accomplished making his fans happy who therefore turn around and WANT to support the band by actively purchasing their music instead of pirating it. Do they still get music pirated? Of course they do, but likely at a significantly smaller percentage than other bands as a result (which means more money in their pockets at the end of the day). They also tour a lot and while back in 2010 Paul McCartney was charging $140 per ticket and Lady Gaga charging $100 per ticket, DMB's average ticket price was $57 making it affordable for their fans without ripping them off. And DMB was racking in more money on tour than both of those other 2 "bigger named" artists as a result. More people come to the concert, more people purchase memorabilia as well. On top of that, they have their own "club" site which allows for earlier ticket purchase and they charge for the membership (around $35) where they have over 100K members providing another constant stream of revenue. And they make each concert different by going with the flow, changing up versions of songs, etc which makes people want to keep coming back for more. This is a group that has figured out how to profit in today's age. DMB uses many of the same concepts as the story below... The author is Harvey MacKay, and this is his story about a real cab driver named Wally: Harvey was waiting in line for a ride at the airport. When a cab pulled up, the first thing Harvey noticed was that the taxi was polished to a bright shine. Smartly dressed in a white shirt, black tie, and freshly pressed black slacks, the cab driver jumped out and rounded the car to open the back passenger door for Harvey. He handed my friend a laminated card and said: ‘I’m Wally, your driver. While I’m loading your bags in the trunk I’d like you to read my mission statement.’ Taken aback, Harvey read the card. It said: "Wally’s Mission Statement: ‘To get my customers to their destination in the quickest, safest and cheapest way possible in a friendly environment.’" This blew Harvey away, especially when he noticed that the inside of the cab matched the outside. Spotlessly clean! As he slid behind the wheel, Wally said, 'Would you like a cup of coffee? I have a thermos of regular and one of decaf." My friend said jokingly, ‘No, I’d prefer a soft drink.’ Wally smiled and said, ‘No problem. I have a cooler up front with regular and Diet Coke, water and orange juice.’ Almost stuttering, Harvey said, ‘I’ll take a Diet Coke.’ Handing him his drink, Wally said, ‘If you’d like something to read, I have The Wall Street Journal, Time, Sports Illustrated and USA Today.’ As they were pulling away, Wally handed my friend another laminated card. ‘These are the stations I get and the music they play, if you’d like to listen to the radio.’ And as if that weren’t enough, Wally told Harvey that he had the air conditioning on and asked if the temperature was comfortable for him. Then he advised Harvey of the best route to his destination for that time of day. He also let him know that he’d be happy to chat and tell him about some of the sights or, if Harvey preferred, to leave him with his own thoughts. ‘Tell me, Wally,’ my amazed friend asked the driver, ‘have you always served customers like this?’ Wally smiled into the rearview mirror. ‘No, not always. In fact, it’s only been in the last two years. My first five years driving, I spent most of my time complaining like all the rest of the cabbies do. Then I heard the personal growth guru, Wayne Dyer on the radio one day. He had just written a book called “You’ll See It When You Believe it”. Dyer said that if you get up in the morning expecting to have a bad day, you’ll rarely disappoint yourself. He said, ‘Stop complaining! Differentiate yourself from your competition. Don’t be a duck. Be an eagle. Ducks quack and complain. Eagles soar above the crowd.” ‘That hit me right between the eyes,’ said Wally. ‘Dyer was really talking about me. I was always quacking and complaining, so I decided to change my attitude and become an eagle. I looked around at the other cabs and their drivers. The cabs were dirty, the drivers were unfriendly, and the customers were unhappy. So I decided to make some changes. I put in a few at a time. When my customers responded well, I did more.’ ‘I take it that has paid off for you,’ Harvey said. ‘It sure has’ Wally replied. ‘My first year as an eagle, I doubled my income from the previous year. This year I’ll probably quadruple it. You were lucky to get me today. I don’t sit at cabstands anymore. My customers call me for appointments on my cell phone or leave a message on my answering machine. If I can’t pick them up myself, I get a reliable cabbie friend to do it and I take a piece of the action.’ Wally was phenomenal. He was running a limo service out of a Yellow Cab. I’ve probably told that story to more than fifty cab drivers over the years, and only two took the idea and ran with it. Whenever I go to their cities, I give them a call. The rest of the drivers quacked like ducks and told me all the reasons they couldn’t do any of what I was suggesting. Wally the Cab Driver made a different choice… He decided to stop quacking like the ducks and start soaring like the eagles. I've seen other stories where cabbies have done similarly to the above and don't even have a set rate. The ride is free and it's up to the customer to decide what the ride was worth. And while a tiny handful of people take advantage of the free "rate," these cabbies make significantly more money than those that charge the set fare because most people WANT to pay for a good quality item/service that warrants it and most of their customers "overpay" due to the quality of service they receive. If that same cabbie tried to charge $100 for a 2 block cab ride, people would be jumping out and running without paying because they wouldn't want to be ripped off. In terms of the porn industry, it's really no different. The porn companies have a nearly endless supply of "talent." They aren't paying anyone Tom Cruise money of $20M for movie, yet charge similar amounts for their DVD's. And with the exception of super high quality movies like Fashionistas, they aren't even putting in a huge amount of money to make them (as compared to a Hollywood studio). And even Fashionistas was only around $500K for their budget which is a joke compared to a Hollywood budget like Cruise's War of the Worlds which had a $132M budget. I just did a quick Google search and I can find War of the Worlds at Walmart for $8 and I can find Fashionistas at Adult DVD Empire for $60 or on Evil Angel's official site for "only" $57. Poor porn industry. With that said, I own the official copy of the Fashionistas because I felt the quality of the product was worth the price (particularly back in 2006) and thus supported Evil Angel by purchasing it. Here's the reality: If every single major porn company closed tomorrow, there would STILL be new porn being produced as amateurs would step up and create better porn themselves to fill the gaps (pun possibly intended). The free market still supports supply and demand. ;) [Link]
Jacco All-Star Member "liable to deprave and corrupt" 2673 Posts 5/04	Posted - Jan 29 2014 : 8:45PM ^One tiny little problem with your story, a Tom Cruise DVD might sell 100.000s or even millions of pieces while a porn DVD will only sell a few 1000 if they are lucky. Jacco [Link]
pat362 Senior Member 10083 Posts 3/10	Posted - Jan 29 2014 : 9:06PM I am able to eventually find what I want, though it takes a lot of searching and sifting and weeding out. Click to expand That's why I said that most are not very good but you can still find some gems. It gets really expensive joining those crappy sites to find that one really good one. [Link]

charn fubar 2880 Posts 12/09	Posted - Jan 30 2014 : 1:29AM The Motorhead method is book concerts where lots of Motorhead songs are torrented. They sell lots of tickets. I saw a few articles many years ago that indicated they are famous or legendary or something and I never heard their music. Later I saw them on youtube. I still don't like online transactions. I'd rather pay cash. [Link]
N00dlesDaddy Senior Member Layla...got me on my knees... 1793 Posts 7/13	Posted - Jan 30 2014 : 1:51AM ^ You've never heard of Motorhead?! Only one of the top five greatest bands ever to have existed (and still going). [Link]
Draxxx Senior Member 3831 Posts 2/07	Posted - Feb 1 2014 : 9:54AM LCF wrote: ^^ much less than that ,very much like you I watch 1 or two scenes from a DVD, those I was interested in and made me buy it ,don't care for the others , but sometimes an actress enter in my radar and I discover I already had lots of her material but almost didn't know. So I watch around 40% of a DVD and maybe a similar percentage of my DVDs , my backlog is unbelievable (same for Videogames, movies and books), but I think it's just natural porn is not my top priority in life Click to expand Yeah, I dod the same thing where I only watch the scenes of a particular pornstar but then suddenly I'm into an girl I never noticed before and I'm surprised I already have movies with her in it. I also tend to throw some porn DVDs away after awhile in many cases. Many times I'll come across a girl who I'm way into early in her career and buy DVDs with her early stuff. Then as their career goes on they become a better performer and do better movies and it would be taking a big step back to watch them in their older work so I never go back to watch that stuff and decide there's no reason to keep it. I suppose I could sell them but it's just not worth the hassle to me. Another thing that sometimes happens with buying DVDs is....I'll see a girl in a scene that I think is great and buy other DVDs with her in them but those performances aren't nearly as good and I have no interest in watching them again. I've learned that with some girls their best performances only will be from the better directors. In the past year or so I've cut way back on buying porn DVDs. Signing up to VIDEOBOX gives me the abilty to often see a big portion of a girls body of work without buying DVDs where she only appears in one scene. And they have lots of stuff on the site I already have so I can toss more stuff out. I still buy some of the newer stuff but my buying old stuff has gone way down. I also like that I can stream new stuff from other pay sites at a cheaper price than buying the DVD if it's a movie I'd like to see but not sure if it's something I want to own. I still pay for porn but the mosney is used more wisely these days. [Link]
MisandryMan Member 30 Posts 11/12	Posted - Feb 4 2014 : 8:37PM There are no residuals or royalties in porn, are there? I mean, when I buy a DVD or subscribe to a website, the production company gets all the money and can hire people for future scenes, but the people I'm watching don't actually get anything from me unless they own the production company or website, right? [Link]
draghixafan Senior Member Less identical crap, more sleaze and bush! 2378 Posts 7/09	Posted - Feb 4 2014 : 9:25PM Gore Gore Girl wrote: I think this applies to porn more so than any other product. As a society, we teach people that porn is valueless, trash, disposable, and not art. So why would anyone feel badly about not paying for it? Click to expand Also is an element today I find that porn imo is not as much art as it used to be, its all very formulaic to the point that with some sites even the positions are identical and in sequence and you could literally photoshop a different girls head onto one template scene.. And for example DVDs series like Peep Show were 4 titles and none of them as much as I would love it to be are Peep Shows (see - sleazy spots - strip clubs, sex shops, peep shows) all are yet again just girls naked/couch/facial.. If directors/companies continue to vomit out cheap cookie cutter crap, that is not erotic art but just the same porn that long term porn buyers have seen literally hundreds of times before, they may not feel as guilty about pirating it? [Link]
killbillvol69 All-Star Member ^Lucy Pinder 18633 Posts 4/08	Posted - Feb 4 2014 : 11:06PM MisandryMan wrote: There are no residuals or royalties in porn, are there? I mean, when I buy a DVD or subscribe to a website, the production company gets all the money and can hire people for future scenes, but the people I'm watching don't actually get anything from me unless they own the production company or website, right? Click to expand You are correct, sir. [Link]
MisandryMan Member 30 Posts 11/12	Posted - Feb 5 2014 : 6:10AM ^ I wonder how much that contributes to people rationalizing that it's ok not to pay for porn since "she wasn't going to see any of my money anyway." Not that people ever really need any help rationalizing their behavior as ok, but still. Something else I suspect (actually, feel certain) contributes to people not paying is that it seems to me very few people understand what "fair use" out of copyright law actually means. The MPAA and RIAA clearly don't believe it's a thing at all, and most Youtube and Tumblr users seem to think it means "I can post the whole thing as long as I acknowledge I didn't make it." [Link]
CummingLinguist All-Star Member 5908 Posts 11/11	Posted - Feb 5 2014 : 8:22AM ^ How does remixing work into copyright and fair use? One of my fetishes involves girls watching porn. I was thinking of making a video using clips from my collection of girls watching porn, interspersed with regular porn. It turned out that video editing had a slightly bigger learning curve than I was ready to deal with at that point, so I never did it. But if I did, would it be legal to share the remix with other porn fans? [Link]
Harder Than You Think Member From here to eternity. 257 Posts 4/13	Posted - Feb 9 2014 : 3:53PM Dragon Sign wrote: When it comes to DVDs, I early found out that ordinary mainstream films were dust collective things, mostly put aside after just one watch. It sooner or later would show up on TV also, and was there to rent. Adult DVDs on the other hand often tend to be out of reach nearby, and as in posession, put in a place where dust never comes around. And these things often tend to be very watchable also later on. You may not remember everything that went on, you may have skipped much of it in the first Place for different reasons, just to pick up some surprises further down the road, and like good art, it's there to be enjoyed from time to time, for years on. Click to expand This perturbs me. Yes you can come across movies by several different means. Direct purchase, TV, rent, Netflix, cinema, film festivals, friends showing them etc. But you're telling me that because of this you only tend to watch them once? Really? Across all the multitudes of genres, characters, actors, directors, regions, depth, tropes, stories, artistic worth you tend to watch once and put aside? Does that go for TV series and video games too (both of which are expensive to maintain a collection for i.e. if you like DVD boxsets of shows), if you are into them in the first place that is? It's precisely because I pay my precious cash for them, that I replay them. I'm gonna get some flax, I'm putting my flame shield up, but let's face it- porn is used for one thing and one thing only, for lust. It's one dimensional within the realm of entertainment (although the vast range of content within the realm of lust could itself be termed three dimensional, but only within that ultimately narrow realm). I can't really call it art, and films with pretensions of such e.g. Elegant Angel's "Portrait of a Call Girl" don't withstand mainstream criticism by a damn sight. It's certainly replayable, like the media I described above, but I generally find that I prefer to jump to the next newest hottest scene/movie, consume it and spent I move on and repeat the process pretty quickly. Only when there's a bit of a drought in primal, drool-inducing material am I likely to revisit older scenes (although sometimes I discover scenes from movies besides the "only 40% of what I tend to watch" rule others were mentioning earlier). I probably do need to start milking my content for all its jerkability worth, but then that's obviously a function of how much free time I have. Different strokes, I guess. Why would anyone want to watch any pornography studio besides Evil Angel? [Link]
draghixafan Senior Member Less identical crap, more sleaze and bush! 2378 Posts 7/09	Posted - Feb 9 2014 : 8:59PM ^ Never really understood huge mainstream movies collections, coz yeah once watched only really watch again if its awesome or if procrastinating ;) Whereas my porn has very high replayability.. ^^ Also wish I had video editing skills, as putting together compilations of my fav bits from my collection would be brilliant. [Link]

WideAngle Senior Member GAMBO192 1367 Posts 9/11	Posted - Feb 10 2014 : 3:00AM CummingLinguist wrote: ^ How does remixing work into copyright and fair use? would it be legal to share the remix with other porn fans? Click to expand No [Link]
LCF All-Star Member Non Prevalebunt! 10364 Posts 1/05	Posted - Feb 10 2014 : 7:24AM draghixafan wrote: ^ Never really understood huge mainstream movies collections, coz yeah once watched only really watch again if its awesome or if procrastinating ;) Whereas my porn has very high replayability.. ^^ Also wish I had video editing skills, as putting together compilations of my fav bits from my collection would be brilliant. Click to expand My mainstream movies collection is bigger than my porn collection. I almost don't watch TV , just some sports and news , I love to watch movies in their original languages , ANY language including those completely unintelligible to me with subtitles , they are different the actor's ability is sometimes ruined by the dubber , not even because of him but because there are things you can't dub for example Alexis Denisof who played Wesley in Buffy and Angel and a Senator in Dollhouse , uses two different accents for his roles. British Jamie Bamber who plays Apollo in Battlestar Galactica uses an American accent or at least hides his original British. Olivia Williams who plays Adelle again in Dollhouse has a WONDERFUL RP accent , it's a pleasure just to hear her. All of this in my non native ears , there are shades of pronounce I can't catch I guess. In Django Unchained I was almost lost with their Southern accent I needed English subtitles more than once , I mean the "i" in thing pronounced as the "i" in "I" as said by one of the klansmen , I wasn't sure of what he really said until I put the subtitles All of this is completely lost in a dubbed movie Edited by - LCF on 2/10/2014 7:26:36 AM [Link]
pat362 Senior Member 10083 Posts 3/10	Posted - Feb 10 2014 : 10:56AM I'm gonna get some flax, I'm putting my flame shield up, but let's face it- porn is used for one thing and one thing only, for lust. It's one dimensional within the realm of entertainment (although the vast range of content within the realm of lust could itself be termed three dimensional, but only within that ultimately narrow realm). I can't really call it art, and films with pretensions of such e.g. Elegant Angel's "Portrait of a Call Girl" don't withstand mainstream criticism by a damn sight. Click to expand Granted the vast majority of porn made today falls under the category of gonzo porn with a few of them having a little story and not much else going for them but you still get a few movies that have an actual story, plausible dialogue, decent acting and some good sex scenes in them. Of course they probably wouldn't withstand the criticism of mainstream media but I don't know if it's because they are that bad or because mainstream media considers them to be porn movies and that judgement blinds them to the possibility that there can be some artistic integrity in a porn movie. I watch porn to get sexually stimulated and masturbate so by default I shouldn't really care about characters, story, dialogue and everything else that is part of most mainstream movies but some of my favorite porn scenes are those from movies made in the 70's and 80's and which I still remember to this day. Now I'm assuming that your comments are directed more toward modern porn and this is where I tend to agree with you that most of these are not very good works of art. Mind you is it because the acting, directing and production values are below par or is it possible that because porn is now shot on digital cameras that this greatly handicaps them. Let's be honest. There are so many mainstream movies that are so bad that they would all get lambasted by mainstream critics if it wasn't for the fact that most fall under their radar by going straight to video. I'll give you a perfect example of a huge mainstream movie shot on high end cameras where it could be argue that it's not really art so much as a gimmick to make money. The movie I'm thinking about is The Lone Ranger. There was a story, there was dialogue, there was some decent acting and there was some good effects but I think most critics think this is a pile of s..t and I'd add that nothing about this movie screams piece or art. That is unless you consider making money a work of art. [Link]
Draxxx Senior Member 3831 Posts 2/07	Posted - Feb 10 2014 : 9:37PM I'd like to hear your thoughts on the "kinda, sorta, almost" porn. Do you hold the stuff from Tinto Brass, Russ Meyer, the type of movies SOMETHING WEIRD sells or "Skinemax" movies in the same regard? That stuff isn't hardcore but for many it serves the same function and doesn't carry quite the same stigma as hardcore porn. [Link]
pat362 Senior Member 10083 Posts 3/10	Posted - Feb 11 2014 : 12:43PM ^I don't know if the majority of people would consider what Russ and Tinto did was porn. If you think that Playboy and Hustler is porn then I guess you also think that movies where women are often in various degrees of nudity and where there is a strong emphasis on sex is porn. On the surface it is hard to argue with them but if you are a person like me then you start to think about certain directors and the movies that have made them famous (or infamous). I give you Paul Verhoeven. One of my favorite directors of all time. This is the man who gave us Robocop, Total Recall, Starship Trooper and Hollow man. All major box office and home video successes. These movies were all so great that they have spawned sequels and/or remakes. What some people fail to remember is that he is also the same man who gave us Basic Instinct (we all remember what that movie is famous for) and the unforgettable Showgirls. I'd even add that Flesh & Blood has more than it's fair share of sex scenes. I dare say that Basic Instinct would not be the same movie if you removed the sex scenes and it goes triple for Showgirls. I don't know if you think that Showgirls is porn but I don't and it has some sex scenes that are so intense that some hardcore porn scenes pale in comparison. It's no secret that sex sells and that there is always someone trying to push the envelope but can anyone truly say that one thing is porn because it has "A", "B" and "C" in it and another movie that has these exact same things isn't. Blue is the Warmest Color/La Vie D' Adèle chap 1&2 is a prime example of the hypocrisy that is directed towards porn but which is not directed towards mainstream media because it's artistic in nature. This movie was both nominated for major awards but also won and it's basically the story of a 15 years old girl(that means her character is underage) who starts a relationship with an older young woman. So you basically have an improper relationship that borders on hebephilia(that's an attraction to individuals that are between 11 and 14). The two protagonist are seen naked and there are multiple lesbian sex scenes that are as intense and graphic as your basic lesbian porn scene. There is almost nothing left to the imagination in their sex scenes and I'd even say that nothing is. [Link]
Goldstein All-Star Member "You have sacrificed nothing and no one." 3689 Posts 8/10	Posted - Feb 11 2014 : 1:49PM Goldstein suggests that the terms "softcore" and "hardcore" exist for a reason. And, yes, mainstream movies and TV are frequently "softcore" porn, but with a Hollywood budget and a storyline. Not only that, mainstream is constantly pushing the "softcore" boundaries and pimping-out underage females. [Link]
draghixafan Senior Member Less identical crap, more sleaze and bush! 2378 Posts 7/09	Posted - Feb 11 2014 : 6:25PM Talking Tinto Brass Trasgredire is one of my favourite softcore movies of all time.. [Link]
Draxxx Senior Member 3831 Posts 2/07	Posted - Feb 11 2014 : 9:20PM ^ That's a good Tinto Brass movie but my fav of his would have to be PAPRIKA starring the very shapely Deborah Caprioglio. Also a big fan of ALL LADIES DO IT. I tend to like most of what I've seen from Brass. The type of movies Tinto Brass and a few others make have me wondering how the guys can hold out practically having sex with the woman just short of penetration. In many of the old Harrry Novack films from the 70s the girls rountinely grind their bare beavers against the guy's packages (70s talk). [Link]
Draxxx Senior Member 3831 Posts 2/07	Posted - Feb 11 2014 : 9:21PM Goldstein wrote: Goldstein suggests that the terms "softcore" and "hardcore" exist for a reason. And, yes, mainstream movies and TV are frequently "softcore" porn, but with a Hollywood budget and a storyline. Not only that, mainstream is constantly pushing the "softcore" boundaries and pimping-out underage females. Click to expand I tend to think of it all as porn. Yeah, there's "hardcore" and "softcore" but I've seen some "softcore" stuff that's borderline hardcore. The Tinto Brass stuff goes further than the "Skinemax" stuff. There are older movies from the 70s grindhouse era that there's actual penetration but it's edited/cut or filmed so you can't quite see it. But I actually hold that stuff in higher regards than full on porn because I see it as a story with "softcore" sex in it rather than porn trying to tell a story. I can watch the old Harry Novack stuff from the 70s that's a story with sofcore scenes but can't sit through 70s porn features. Edited by - draxxx on 2/11/2014 9:26:17 PM [Link]
draghixafan Senior Member Less identical crap, more sleaze and bush! 2378 Posts 7/09	Posted - Feb 12 2014 : 6:04AM Love it when I can get my pervy hands on special DVDs of the uncut grindhouse vids or ones where the penetration bits have been re-introduced :) Tinto Brass does brilliant stuff! So sensual, stylishly sleazy and hot! Really like Trasgredire as it combines my two favs, busty voluptuous brunettes and blondes with slender figures.. getting it on! And love the pervtastic scene when looking at the photos were the old perv is fingering her, so hot!! Be awesome much like the hardcore grindhouse stuff to see Tinto vids with hardcore, take this style and aesthetic and make it porn, instead of as stated above nearly ALL porn today is gonzo [o\\|] [Link]
draghixafan Senior Member Less identical crap, more sleaze and bush! 2378 Posts 7/09	Posted - Feb 13 2014 : 12:03AM Draxxx wrote: starring the very shapely Deborah Caprioglio Click to expand Oooh YEAH!! [Link]
pat362 Senior Member 10083 Posts 3/10	Posted - Feb 13 2014 : 10:48AM I don't know if you guys think the same way I do but the biggest reason why I enjoy those softcore/midcore movies is because the director has to be more imaginative in the way he/she shoots the sex scenes because they can't rely on showing any kind of penetration. The fact that there is actual talent behind the camera doesn't hurt. There are many old time porn movies where you know the performers had actual acting talent and all the people behind the scene knew about the art of cinematography. [Link]
N00dlesDaddy Senior Member Layla...got me on my knees... 1793 Posts 7/13	Posted - Feb 13 2014 : 11:10AM How far is this thread now? [Link]
Goldstein All-Star Member "You have sacrificed nothing and no one." 3689 Posts 8/10	Posted - Feb 13 2014 : 11:15AM ^ Have the IR trolls weighed-in yet Has Obama been blamed for the porn piracy problem yet [Link]
CummingLinguist All-Star Member 5908 Posts 11/11	Posted - Feb 13 2014 : 11:49AM I watched Monamour last night, and I am eager to check out more Tinto Brass titles. Anna Jimskaia looks a lot like Scarlett Johansson, though the resemblance is partly in how she moves, so stills don't capture it. Unfortunately, it seems hard to find Paprikia in Italian with subtitles on Region One DVDs at a reasonable price. Does anyone know a good way to get these without paying an outrageous price? If there were a Netflix like company, I would be happy to rent. (Note, Netflix has a lot of Tinto Brass titles on DVD, just not Paprika.) [Link]
draghixafan Senior Member Less identical crap, more sleaze and bush! 2378 Posts 7/09	Posted - Feb 13 2014 : 3:04PM Haha, yes is way OT but fun :) pat362 wrote: I don't know if you guys think the same way I do but the biggest reason why I enjoy those softcore/midcore movies is because the director has to be more imaginative in the way he/she shoots the sex scenes because they can't rely on showing any kind of penetration. The fact that there is actual talent behind the camera doesn't hurt. There are many old time porn movies where you know the performers had actual acting talent and all the people behind the scene knew about the art of cinematography. Click to expand Agree completely, huge fan of Sara St James aka Jacqueline Lovell who falls into my blonde with slender bods category and it maybe because don't see her in hardcore but some of her softcore movies are very sensual and why I really like them.. topsy-turvy world when dry humping to Michael Bolton is more erotic than the real thing? [Link]