The gay porn experience is probably coming in handy now... Irish
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StillHope Deactivated User
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Posted - Aug 5 2010 : 2:14PM
I have heard Briana Banks spoke of the ordeal (working with Max) on the Howard Stern Show...I have googled to no avail...anyone have the video/audio/transcript of said interview? A date would be nice as well.
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heh8me Deactivated User
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Posted - Aug 7 2010 : 1:47AM
I actually have the episode. I have to dig it up, but I remember she seemed uncomfortable talking about it with Stern and she wanted to change the subject. I'll try to or do a transcript or do just the section of the clip on video site(i guess thats fair use) by 8/8
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Posted - Aug 7 2010 : 2:46AM
It actually didn't take long to find and it wasnt a long talk. She never mentions him by name but she talks about how she had to dress and shave. She stated she was mislead as to what the scene was and it caused her to drop out of porn for 2 months and then came back as Briana Banks http://yfrog.com/jdmhbbz
woa, i jsut saw a max scene today! it was max factor 5 i think with madison sin! i just love the girl, not really max's style of work. i wasnt limp though believe dat.
I'm not here, this isn't happening! 2571 Posts 6/04
Posted - Aug 7 2010 : 4:13AM
I saw a scene with Sativa Rose where she drank Max Hardcore's piss while her face was covered in her own saliva. It was an eyeopener to me. These girls just would do everything for money. But whatever. He seemed to be an asshole. But sometimes I like to watch a girl being humilated, I'm a perv, I know.
I would like to see little Pauly take from a strapon wearing Rebeca Linares when he comes home.
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Posted - Aug 7 2010 : 11:33PM
I never understood the animosity towards Max Hardcore, I saw earlier in this thread a comment about how Rocco treats women similarly, but he isn't vilified. My opinion is that the women were just as culpable as Max, they choose to work with him and they were paid for it. I've seen Max scenes where his women assistances were just as brutal as he was so why aren't they in jail? From what I read on feminist and anti-porn blogs they find the Jenna Jameson's type just a despicable as a Khan Tusion or Max Hardcore.
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Posted - Aug 8 2010 : 5:25AM
An adult performer performing in a scene with any man, or even just professing to sleep with men in their private life changes my opinion of them for the worse. That said, some male performers are worse than others, and Max Hardcore is right up there with the worst of them. When someone consents to work this this guy, I can only infer that they have no problem with the degradation of women on film in order to appeal to the sub-demographic of misogynists in the porn-buyer market, and/or they lack the self-respect and integrity to pass up a pay-check that requires them to be degraded on camera by a total pig. Edited by - purgatori on 8/8/2010 5:26:51 AM
I'm not here, this isn't happening! 2571 Posts 6/04
Posted - Aug 8 2010 : 5:45AM
Anyone who has worked with Max hardcore knew what his porn looks like. Anyone after 2000 did know that she received the full Max-treatment. She got fucked in the ass while puking, got pissed in the mouth while deepthroating. Whatever.I mean, he didn't lure some amateur SE-asian girls into this. All girls were girls who did porn before and after they did him.
I love Max's stuff and look forward to his resuming his outstanding career. His incarceration is a disgrace, and Obama should pardon him.
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Posted - Aug 8 2010 : 10:47PM
^In the unlikely event that this happens, it won't be until after January 20, 2013. Of course, there would be no reason to do it then, since MH will have already been released by that time. Edited by - realtip on 8/8/2010 10:48:21 PM
Wouldn't anyone else here like to see Rebeca Linares strap it on and bend Pauly over and make him her power bottom bitch by fucking the shit out of him and then making him do an a2m?
No!..and it's kinda weird you keep suggesting that. I don't really get why people keep hating on Max. He could never do the shit he was doing if those actresses didn't let him. Why do you people care so much about a female who allows herself to be treated that way? A girl like that is a "bottom". She doesn't want you to care about her. While you're thinking about her feelings, she's tossing some guys salad, getting fucked in the ass, or gagging on a dick until she pukes. Who fucking cares?! Whether it's softcore porn, or the hardest of the hardcore, somebody's jerking off to it. So let's not talk about the degradation of adult film actresses.
pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07
Posted - Aug 9 2010 : 1:53PM
^ He's referring to how Rebecca Linares says she was mistreated by Max Hardcore, she and Roxy Jezel have both come out with stories about Max ignoring their well established limits. That is why posters here should read the rest of this thread, where both of these stories are talked about, before bothering to post here.
OK. So that's two. How many girls did Max work with over his entire career again? I mean the gist of what the Max haters are saying is that he did this routinely. Which I can't disagree with because I don't know. I'm just wondering how they do? Other than some rumors and off the record allegations. One of those girls barely speaks English from what I could tell by watching a few of her scenes. I'm also assuming she did her scene with Max some time ago which means it was probably shortly after arriving in America. So there's a strong possibility there was some poor communication involved. The other one, I've never heard of and don't know her from any other random person on the planet. Nor do I know how I'm supposed to know she's being truthful other than just to assume she is because she's female and incapable of being dishonest.
Normally, I wouldn't be so skeptical about things like this but these are all girls who signed on to work for a guy named Max Hardcore who had a web site where he could be seen pissing on just about every girl who worked for him. There wasn't a damn thing mysterious about him or what he was about. Can you picture this conversation - Girl - So you're that Max guy? Max - That's me! Girl - Well, if I agree to work for you, you're not gonna piss on me or call me a stupid fuckhole or slap me are you? Now really. Can you even imagine Max agreeing to that when he has all these girls who'll do it all and never complain to choose from? Why would he even agree to it? Don't you think he'd probably just tell her to hit the road? Is he really gonna lie and say "No. I'd never do that to you!". And if he does, what does she think he's going to do? His whole shtick is the slapping and pissing and spitting and lipstick smearing. Have you ever seen a soft Max Hardcore scene? If you were her, would you believe him if he told you he'd be sweet and soft and gentle? At some point, when people run red lights and get plastered by a bus, we have to say "Well, they should have used common sense" Edited by - randomprecision on 8/9/2010 2:34:00 PM
pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07
Posted - Aug 9 2010 : 4:20PM
We've already had this conversation numerous times and I don't have much interest in continuing it but one quick piece of information: You're right that Rebecca could barely speak English at the time, she said the scene was set-up by an scummy agent she left thereafter (probably Dick Nasty from the sounds of it), but anyone who has seen the scene can see that Max continues right over her protests. Of course one could say he thought her protests were just part of the act, but you'd think on a set like Max's there would be a safe word. Just goes to show you the sloppy and irresponsible way he behaved on set. Someone who is an admitted (at the time, he says he's gotten clean in prison) alcoholic like Max should probably not be shooting and performing heavy S/M porn.
Rebeca Linares is not a bottom. She was raped by little Pauly pure and simple. I can read Spanish and I believe what the truthfulness of her accusations.
I have seen a few of the newer Max scenes and if the samples I saw were any indication, he always does this. Or appears to. How do we know that Max didn't think Rebeca agreed to make it look this way and also that she had no idea what she was agreeing to due to a language barrier? I find it a bit interesting that one of the most well known cases of this just happened to be with someone who didn't speak English well.Well, if you ask me, it seems like any kind rough porn is just a bad idea all the way around. If girls are going to come, sign the papers, do the scene, take the check, cash it and then complain later (For whatever reasons), nobody can afford to (Legally or financially) run a business that way with those kinds of risks. People do have some kind of obligation to look out for themselves before they start pointing fingers at other people. If they're not going to do that and they're going to get away with causing an uproar and then not even trying to prove it in any way, we can't expect anyone to take the risk and have it all blamed on them when the girl has regrets or whatever goes on with her. Keep in mind, I'm more inclined to believe Max did cross at least a few lines with at least a few girls. I just find it tough to blame him for the fact that the girl signed the papers to do the scene. The ultimate proof that someone doesn't want something always has to be in writing. You sign up with an internet provider without reading the user agreement, you can't complain later on when they do something that was in the agreement and you agreed to by signing the form. You take that to court and you're probably going to lose every time because reading the papers you sign is your legal responsibility. I don't know what was in Max's contracts but it would be really interesting to see a real, verifiable one.
Well personally I think that Max Hardcore is a dirty, old pervert. But I also agree with the previous poster that the girls who work for him should use a bit more common sense. It's not as if Max was shy to show the public what he does and what his movies are like, one search in Google brings up a wealth of examples. Now I might take some flak for it, but somehow I can't help but think that some of the girls in question sober up some day and suddenly think "Oh god, what have I done, I want my dignity back" and then go ahead to rearrange their memories a bit, to make everything appear in a more favorable light, in the sense of "I didn't mean to agree to these acts for money, Max forced me to". I don't want to offend anyone with this statement, it's just a another opinion I wanted to voice.
^ That pretty much sums up what I was about to say. It would not surprise me if two actresses like Rebecca Linares and Roxy Jezel would do something like this. They're both stars now, and I'm sure they would advise any young actress entering the business to stay away from people like Max. They probably hate that they weren't educated or brave enough to just walk away. However, it's disrespectful to actual rape victims, to call what Max does rape. "Well established limits", don't really apply when a girl just takes what he gives, when she can leave at any time (which is why I use the term "bottom").
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Posted - Aug 9 2010 : 11:57PM
Are you really here saying that a porn chick might actually lie? That's unbelievable! Despite the fact that these girls all perform some of the most sexually perverse acts on camera for money and the entertainment of horny men, we know that they're all still pristine paragons of virtue without a dishonest bone in their saintly bodies. A man like Max Hardcore must be eternally punished for corrupting their indisputable innocence. You are absolutely wrong, Sir! May the day never come when licentious women lie and crimeless men are sent to prison solely to further an unjust political crusade. The day this happens is the day that will mark the downfall of civilization itself.
pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07
Posted - Aug 10 2010 : 2:51AM
Watch it realtip, your poorly disguised contempt for performers and puritism is showing (strangely so typical of those with taste for 'rough sex' on web forums). Do you weep tears of self-loathing after you masturbate to these horrible women? Edited by - BlackSix on 8/10/2010 4:38:15 AM
i agree with b6. the problem with macho society is that they have always assumed that the female creature has no libido or one less than the male. all these girls KNOW what they are doing, this is fantasy & the female actresses get off working with max! cmon now
I too enjoyed the Max of his earlier years, and no longer find his movies of much interest, yet I'm willing to bet Max is worlds apart in his professional candor, and limit to which he'll push performers beyond what they've agreed, compared to obscure lesserknowns, who may or may not create similar forms of content, farther down the porn tree of success. I'm apt to believe that in porn, as in other forms of business, particularly in a competitive, or at times even ruthless industry, those most likely to exploit the rules, or simply overlook the rights of others, are the ones most desperate, struggling to survive, and typically outside the spotlight of public scrutiny. Max clearly loves to rile his critics. I suspect he's relished every opportunity to do so, and quietly counts the days until he can again, meanwhile cherishing the efforts of his wouldbe detractor's, who are only serving to immortalize his legacy. Judging Max by the content he's actually edited and released, is like criticizing Bruce Wayne for his conduct as Batman. Buying into his conjured, villainous act as fact, ultimately legitimizes his stuff as real in the eyes of his fervent audience, keeping their boners stiff with content they may have missed, and their mysogynist fantasies alive and well in anticipation of his joyous return. When that day comes, expect him to churn out more of the stuff, that really stirs the pot, the content he can rely on his loyal dissidents to place their official stamp of disapproval upon, certifying it as none other than the genuine work of the abominable, and beloved Max Hardcore. Edited by - Endless Loop on 8/10/2010 7:35:26 AM
Okay Now that is a bunch of crap. I've seen that scene. Both the American and European version. She never protested in any meaningful way. All of her protests were in a vein similar to any other performer who is portraying a girl who isn't supposed to like what's happening to her. She never once pushed him away and said "No". That word is the same in english and spanish btw. She could have stopped that any time she wanted. I have seen numerous scenes where Max dialed it back for a girl who was getting overwhelmed and let him know. I'm not surprised that Rebecca and Roxy have come out later to say that they hated what happened when they filmed with Max and that he's an asshole. They are both huge porn stars and want to put that kind of crap behind them. So they are doing what many people in their position attempt to do. Clean up their past image by saying they didn't actually want to do what they did in their earlier scenes. I'm not saying Max is a saint by any means. But he is not the monster that most people seem to want to paint him as either.
+ 1 Is it surprising that any human being filmed being abused in this way might decide later say it wasn't what they knowingly signed up for? Max went through a lot of women. I'm sure they fall across the Bell Curve of consent/expectations. I'm sure a few even left there saying "he had a little dick and I couldn't feel a damn thing". (shrug) In as big a dataset as Max alumnu, you are going to get all sorts of stories. Rebeca seems to be a sweet girl and now she is getting into directing and reassessing life. Her afternoon with Maz didn't stop her from going on to do 150 anals, or "Gangbang Auditions 23".
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realtip Deactivated User
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Posted - Aug 10 2010 : 6:46PM
Thanks. I obviously need to do a better job disguising it.The difference in libido between the sexes is not an assumption. It is fact. As for the rest of your post, I am in full agreement. My previous post in this thread was pure sarcasm.
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Rosco Fuji Deactivated User
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Posted - Aug 10 2010 : 7:54PM
I've said it before and I'll say it again; if a performer has an issue with something during a shoot, they always have the option of not signing the release and cashing the check. A quick review on IAFD shows that Max has been in 400+ releases. Given that most have 3 scenes and taking into consideration girls that shot more than once, it's roughly 1000 girls that have taking the Max Treatment. Of the thousand, we're hearing that 2 complained. I don't care what business you're in, 2 complaints out of a thousand customers is great by any standard. Even if the mistreatment complaint level is higher, which I'm sure it is, the girl's credibility level decreases dramatically once the check is cashed. And, if the performer really feels she's been mistreated/raped she always has the option of going to the authorities.
pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07
Posted - Aug 10 2010 : 8:43PM
Amazing that something can be established to be a fact without one shred of evidence.
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realtip Deactivated User
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Posted - Aug 10 2010 : 10:12PM
^There is evidence. Statistically, men have a higher tendency and desire to engage in sexual behavior than women do. Men also tend to think about sex much more frequently than women do. There is also the presence of testosterone, the hormone primarily responsible for sexual desire in both sexes, which has a level more than ten times higher in men than in women. There are also reported physiological differences. For example, one part of the hypothalamus responsible for sexual behavior is larger in men than in women. It's times like this when some of the useless crap learned in Biology and Development Psychology courses really comes in handy.Added to the fact that we'd be hard-pressed to find a single pornographer in the industry that atleast one performer hasn't has a bad experience with at some point or another, this also shows how foolish this belief is that MH is so much worse than anyone else in the industry due to two alleged complaints from girls who went on to do scenes that were more hardcore than almost anything I've seen MH do. From what I've seen of Roxy Jezel and Rebecca Linares (I love her new tits by the way), they're not exactly delicate flowers.
pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07
Posted - Aug 12 2010 : 2:36AM
Please provide it, and not in paraphrase on a forum. As for Max, it's not just these two public complaints, you don't get a reputation like Max's in a industry hardly noted for ethical behaviour, for no reason. I'm not saying it's enough evidence to put him away but why do you think barely a single female performer of any note in the last ten years has worked for Max? Why do you think he was reduced to the lowest rung on the porn ladder for years, only climbing up to the bottom rung recently with JM Productions doing his distro? Of course all this has been said before, often I feel that some posters here has short term memory problems as they love to get into the same old debates and behave like they don't remember what was already discussed to death. The Max defenders also start to remind me of other posters here recently who no matter what they're told just can't bring themselves to believe that STDs are common among performers. Talk about burying your head in the sand. [o\|][o\|][o\|][o\|][o\|][o\|][o\|][o\|][o\|][o\|][o\|][o\|][o\|][o\|][o\|][o\|][o\|][o\|] Edited by - BlackSix on 8/12/2010 3:15:03 AM
Max defenders? What makes you think I wouldn't try to have the same objectivity if it was anyone else? Edited by - randomprecision on 8/12/2010 6:39:49 AM
pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07
Posted - Aug 12 2010 : 7:56AM
Objectivity is impossible. This topic is so played out I suggest we have a moratorium on Max threads until the old pervert gets out of jail.
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realtip Deactivated User
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Posted - Aug 12 2010 : 11:20AM
The evidence I provided on the gender difference in sex drive was not acquired from the Internet. Thus, I have no quick links to provide you at this time. I also don't have the time right now to look for any, though I can possibly search for some later when more time allows. However, if you believe that what I have posted is in error, I'm sure you are aware that you can always feel free to provide your own evidence to counter it. As for Max's bad reputation, the only people who seem to believe it so adamantly are the people who don't like him anyway, probably because they take him too seriously. Obviously, this reputation among his haters hasn't diminished his popularity. Everyone else knows that it is only entertainment. As for female performers "of any note" not working for him, that depends on your opinion of who is "of any note." Does "of any note" mean the same as attractive, or does it mean who's won the most porn awards? Does it mean that a girl is no longer "of any note" once she appears in a Max movie? If so, then you have given your answer to question posed by the OP. Even if there is such a thing as a scale of noteworthy porn chicks, not everyone cares about who falls into its hierarchy. A hot girl is a hot girl. I can name several attractive and popluar porn girls who have appeared in his movies. As for how many porn awards any of them have won, I have no idea, neither is it a factor in which ones I prefer to see. I agree that this topic has been discussed ad nauseam, which again proves his popularity. Despite the number of posters who hate him, I don't think we would have all these long threads about MH if he were just some obsure or unknown pornographer with a minimal audience. In any case, if there is a comment posted to which I would like to respond, then I just go ahead and respond to it, even if I've already said the same thing dozens of times before. Maybe somebody missed it the first time, or the first 50 times, it was said.
^ Anne Fausto-Sterling (Professor of Biology and Medicine at Brown) has written a ton on how gendered "truths" have been socially constructed by science. You should check it out - it's fascinating.
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Rosco Fuji Deactivated User
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Posted - Aug 12 2010 : 12:52PM
One could speculate that some of the girls that go to Max love that kind of treatment. Once could also say that given the number of agents in porn that Max get his stars from certain agents who are just looking for a quick buck, where as other agents such as Speigler feed other directors and keep a longer term outlook for the people he represents. Max has worked with a lot of girls, some are one and dones, and others are "names" in porn. Tiffany Minx, Alicia Rio, Leah Stephenson, Kitty, Leanni Lei, Francesca Le, Alex Dane among others have shot with Max, Roxy,among others. Take out the 15% of the over the top antics that Max does, what you see is no different than most of non lovey dovey porn. FYI I haven't watched Max in years.
pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07
Posted - Aug 12 2010 : 10:36PM
Tricia and Quasar are some of those who seem to believe in his bad rep. In fact, it's hard to find many who will have anything actually positive about him to say about him (not just 'I never had a problem, but actually positive). As for his popularity not being diminished, that's straight up delusional, he was reduced to having no distributor for years, and finally ends up with the less-than-stellar JM Productions. That is very much diminished. As for the women performing in his videos, I doubt you've watched anything in the past number of years as, to put it chartiably, they weren't exactly lookers and many clearly were strung out. One and done. But whatever, you'll believe what you want regardless.
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Posted - Aug 12 2010 : 10:46PM
This is America. Privately owned companies can do what they want. You people are such hypocrites. You defend general porn but you don't defend Max's material because it doesn't appeal to you. If you don't like it, don't watch it.
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Rosco Fuji Deactivated User
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Posted - Aug 12 2010 : 10:48PM
I could care less about Max or his material personally; but give him his due. He had girls drinking cumfarts long before his contemporaries. LOL, silly yes, but you have to give him credit for that.
pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07
Posted - Aug 12 2010 : 10:48PM
You've only proved my point. As I said, Max has been in the wilderness for at least a decade if not longer. All the names you mention are from a very long time ago. Minx did her last scene with Max in 1998 according to Iafd. Alicia Rio has been retired since 1998. Francesca Le did one scene with Max in 1992 for Christ's sake. This is ancient history by porn standards. Clearly the market for real talent dried up for Max in the late 90s, for obvious reasons.
pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07
Posted - Aug 12 2010 : 10:52PM
Oh please. 'In America' people also have the right to criticize others. I'm not defending him being put in jail on obscenity, but there is more than enough reason to conclude he's a scumbag. Just because I like porn doesn't mean I have to excuse scumbags, their poor business practices and their shitty porn.
Edited by - BlackSix on 8/12/2010 11:19:27 PM
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Posted - Aug 12 2010 : 11:21PM
Two things though, Tiffany and Fran are both still working in porn regardless of when they shot with him, point is they were "stars" that did anal for Max, and he was one of the true anal guys back then. Not that it's a big deal , but Alicia as been back since then, but we don't need to debate that. Secondly, As mentioned, I haven't watched Max's stuff in years, but I'm sure there's been a few names that have shot with him since that I've mentioned also, but if I did start looking I'd be admitting to the world that I have less of a life than I actually do. LMAO. Edited by - rosco fuji on 8/12/2010 11:23:51 PM
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Posted - Aug 13 2010 : 1:25AM
The name didn't sound familiar. So I did a Google search for her, and went to her Wikipedia page. When I read that she is known for coining terms like "merm" and "ferm," it all started coming back to me. I remembered reading something in college with those same exact terms. Incidentally, I'm a packrat who has kept all my old reading assignments from all college because I find that they still make for good research material. As it so happens, I actually still have the article she wrote, "The Five Sexes: Why Male and Female Are Not Enough," in my collection of old papers. So I actually have read some of her writings. I just didn't remember, and I haven't read it since college.We all believe what we want. Just like you obviously choose to believe that every girl who works for MH is an ugly stupid junkie at the bottom of the porn barrel. I wouldn't use that description to apply to girls like Sativa Rose, Celeste Mulet, Asia, Davia Ardell, Chiquita Lopez, etc. But that's just my opinion. I don't know MH personally. So I can't speak either way about the type of person he is in real life. But I'm also not going to form an opinion about him or anyone else based solely on what someone else's opinion might be. I hold that same standard for anybody, as I prefer to form my own opinions about people, independent of what others think. You obviously think that Max Hardcore is a mediocre pornographer with diminished popularity. That's your opinion, and you're entitled to it. I'm not trying to convince you otherwise. The problem is that you keep applying your own personal standards in attempting to prove your point in undermining his popularity. In other words, not only do you think that MH himself is mediocre, but you also think that any girl who appears in his movies is mediocre, that any studio that distributes his movies is mediocre, and that this all equates to a lack of popularity. How do you figure all this is true just because you don't like him? Perhaps it's true that he had no distributor. Even if it is true, lots of directors have to go without distributors at various times. Sineplex/Sinsational reports that it had no distributor for more than two years, and still seems to be having problems getting its movies released. This sucks for me because I really like their movies. I didn't know that being without a distributor made you a mediocre pornographer. It's like saying that all small independent filmmakers suck just because they can't get major Hollywood studios to release their movies. One has nothing to do with the other. I'm also curious to know if you think that Brandon Iron is a mediocre pornographer as well. He distributes through JM Productions too. I like his movies, as well as several other series' carried by JMP. I think JMP is just as good as any other porn studio around. But again, that's just my opinion.
Max is an animal who shouldn't be allowed near anything feminine. Rebbecca shoot with Max was a deception at best because she supposedly listed her like for rough sex and someone set her up with Max. Though she has done some good rough scene including anal with super size cocks and came through like a champ with tons of pleasurable expressions on her face.
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Posted - Apr 7 2010 : 7:45PM
Oh please.