Working for Max Hardcore... (page 2)

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yoda57us New Member 2 Posts 12/07	Posted - Sep 7 2008 : 8:15PM SunShowers wrote: ""max has a bad rep i know in movies, but in real life he's actually a nice guy" See, there's a difference between kindness and patronization. It's always "I know people don't believe it, but he's really a swell guy!" As if his "niceness" comes from anything but his angry, patronizing misogyny. You're not "nice from the heart" to people you devalue enough to brutalize on film for profit. If he's nice, it's because he wants you to cooperate on camera and not sue him when you're done working with him. Click to expand Interesting POV but Max did not "degrade" the actress in question. She agreed to act in several films of his for a very large sums of money. She knew what was going to happen before cameras rolled, as do all of the other actresses that agree to work with Max. Furthermore, the quote in question here came from a live chat that the actress did almost six years after the scenes had been shot and she was long retired from porn. Is it so hard to believe that an actress could go into a situation with her eyes open, work with a director and form an opinion about him that may be different from yours? I mean gee wiz...she actually met the guy. Have you? Edited by - yoda57us on 9/7/2008 8:19:09 PM [Link]
RandomPrecision Senior Member Enjoy! 8175 Posts 3/06	Posted - Sep 8 2008 : 1:27AM I think that all the opinions in the world from porn fans aren't worth a whole lot. When you have a thread called "Working for Max Hardcore", the only posts that are really going to count should come from girls who actually have. There's tons of speculation. There are even a few girls who have spoken out. But if this man is such a monster, where are all the posts from women who actually worked with him and want to make sure everyone knows it? How many women did Max work with over his career? OK. So you can find a few who say this or that. What do the rest of them have to say? I could say Max is a filthy degenerate all day long but what do I know? I've never even met the man. [Link]
Dr_Fell Member 545 Posts 6/08	Posted - Sep 8 2008 : 2:05AM RandomPrecision wrote: I think that all the opinions in the world from porn fans aren't worth a whole lot. When you have a thread called "Working for Max Hardcore", the only posts that are really going to count should come from girls who actually have. There's tons of speculation. There are even a few girls who have spoken out. But if this man is such a monster, where are all the posts from women who actually worked with him and want to make sure everyone knows it? How many women did Max work with over his career? OK. So you can find a few who say this or that. What do the rest of them have to say? I could say Max is a filthy degenerate all day long but what do I know? I've never even met the man. Click to expand The opinion of we pr0n fans, even those with which I disagree, are worthwhile as we're the consumers. After the women who perform, we're arguably the most important segment of the industry. I otherwise agree with your statement. I remember seeing one interview with a women relatively new to the industry who won an award. She said that working with Max Hardcore made the award possible because the experience taught her what she could do as a performer. (Forgive me for not remembering her name--she wasn't one of my favorites so I didn't make a note of it.) I briefly met Max Hardcore in the parking lot at a consumer electronics store in Burbank--the one by the Bob Hope Airport. He was there with Catalina. I introduced myself as a fan and admirer of his work and he was friendly enough given the fact that he was about to have an experience with the worst customer service department on the face of the Earth. As for Max's reputation for being a monster, who is to say? There are a number of directors in Hollywood who are notorious for pushing an actor's buttons to get the most out of a performance. (Watch "Hearts of Darkness" as one of the greatest directors alive pushes his star to tears.) [Link]
MikeOxhard Member Hedonism = Porn = Good 267 Posts 3/07	Posted - Sep 8 2008 : 3:23AM I notice that Max used to post here. Also, some comments from kami in this thread "I know Max personally and I have worked with him 2x. He goes through an exhaustive explanation of what's going to happen and I always knew I could leave, I worked hard but was done within 2 hours both times. I walked out of there cash in hand uninjurednot so much as a bruise (i have bruises in like 50% of my damn movies)but wet :) I don't think it's fair for people who have never set foot on any set to state they factually know something about a person they have never met. I took one of the worst beating on a new sensations set and you can bet your sweet ass none of it will be in the movie, it was 100% consensual and I loved it, that's not my point my point is a lot goes on and neither of my max scenes is even in my top 10 roughest scenes." and this thread "I worked with him and I adored him. Fuck i worked with him twice, read my posts. I don't pull punches. Max never pushed me harder than he said he would. I enjoyed working with him enough to work with him a second time, and if I was still in the biz I would work with him again. Max is Max, like I said. He is real and honest, you get what you get." [Link]

BlackSix All-Star Member pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07	Posted - Sep 8 2008 : 3:29AM I think the Max discussion has been exhausted here. Others can post links to performers saying the exact opposite of Kami, I don't think either side is going to change their minds, and none of these posts are actually in reference to the original OP. Edited by - BlackSix on 9/8/2008 4:26:24 AM [Link]
Gunzo Senior Member 1377 Posts 2/05	Posted - Sep 8 2008 : 3:40AM RandomPrecision wrote: So you can find a few who say this or that. What do the rest of them have to say? Click to expand Uhm... they left the business that very afternoon perhaps? As said, a lot of psychopats are nice... people-persons... everyone who've seen one of his most notorius scenes must doubt him, I don't see how you can say 'He's really a nice guy!' after watching one of those... it's beyond my grasp. I don't think the opinion from performers enjoying rough, degredation etc even counts... they like to be abused... Max doesn't have to push them at all in order to produce his product. Yet I bet there are several girls into rough who would choose not to work with Max for other reasons than how old and ugly he may be. [Link]
RandomPrecision Senior Member Enjoy! 8175 Posts 3/06	Posted - Sep 8 2008 : 4:06AM BlackSix wrote: I think the Max discussion has been exhausted here. Others can post links to performers saying the exact opposite of Kimi, I don't think either side is going to change their minds, and none of these posts are actually in reference to the original OP. Click to expand That was Kami. Not Kimi. And Kami has a lot of credibility on this board (and with me) because she has a long posting history. She tells it like it is. I know she wouldn't hesitate to hang Max out to dry if she thought he deserved it. Anyone who knows her here will tell you that. So when you have these other people who have bad things to say, OK. I'm listening but I don't know anything about them. If you're inclined to believe anything bad that you hear about Max just because you don't like the kind of porn he made, you're hardly being objective. But a few stories here and there are not enough to form an opinion. I'd need a lot more. I don't think the man is a saint but I'm wondering why the people who should hate him the most don't seem to have much to say. [Link]
RandomPrecision Senior Member Enjoy! 8175 Posts 3/06	Posted - Sep 8 2008 : 4:20AM Gunzo wrote: I don't think the opinion from performers enjoying rough, degredation etc even counts... they like to be abused... Click to expand Oh you don't? So as long as they say they hated every minute of it, their opinion counts but if they didn't have a problem with it, they have no right to say so and be taken seriously? You know what that sounds like to me? It sounds like you're saying - "You're a victim. You're a victim whether you feel like a victim or not. You're a victim because I think you're a victim" Max doesn't have to push them at all in order to produce his product. Yet I bet there are several girls into rough who would choose not to work with Max for other reasons than how old and ugly he may be. Click to expand And that's exactly what they should do. Choose not to work with him. It's not a defense if he went farther than he was supposed to any more than being married gives a man a license to rape his wife. But were you on any of those sets? Even one of them? We're arguing about what Max should or shouldn't have done to women who aren't even here to speak for themselves (or who choose not to). Don't you think that's a tad presumptive? Is it more sexist to use the term "Fuck hole" or to assume a woman is too stupid to make her own decisions? [Link]
BlackSix All-Star Member pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07	Posted - Sep 8 2008 : 4:30AM I corrected the typo on Kami's name, I know who she is, but that is just her experience, how many other stories would be needed to actually convince you RP? How about Bill Margold's story elsewhere on this forum? I suspect no number would change your mind, and I don't really care to try, this debate has been beaten into the ground many, many times before. Don't you guys ever get tired of repeating the same arguments over and over again on here? Jeez. [Link]
Gunzo Senior Member 1377 Posts 2/05	Posted - Sep 8 2008 : 5:35AM RandomPrecision wrote: "You're a victim. You're a victim whether you feel like a victim or not. You're a victim because I think you're a victim" Click to expand Haha... yes... everyone in porn is victim. You got me there RP, it's a horrible industry full of victims. That's exactly what I'm communicating... And that's exactly what they should do. Choose not to work with him. It's not a defense if he went farther than he was supposed to any more than being married gives a man a license to rape his wife. Click to expand Since he seems to have new girls pretty much all the time... I'm simply assuming that he have to do it that way because they're not very likely to come back to 'shoot for him' again... Luckily it's easier to leave Max than a husband. But were you on any of those sets? Even one of them? We're arguing about what Max should or shouldn't have done to women who aren't even here to speak for themselves (or who choose not to). Don't you think that's a tad presumptive? Click to expand Why, don't I have the right to analyze everything I see, hear and read? I could deny the holocaust because... where the fuck was I? O right... not born yet... I could believe in neonazis and non-redeeming SS-soldiers giving me 'proof' such an historical event never occurred (or that it was justified), that it's just a morbid story used to scare children with. What I'm questioning, still, is if those defending Max has actually seen his worst? (the rare shit I would like to call semi-snuff) I would love to hear Kami or any 'insider' comment on those precise scenes and then ask again if he's really such a nice guy. Sure that Rebecca Linares scene was pretty bad, but it's more ambigious than what I'm thinking of (at least she had been in porn for a while before this and she does that 'I don't have to take it smiling because Max is all about little girls crying when getting rammed'). Is it more sexist to use the term "Fuck hole" or to assume a woman is too stupid to make her own decisions? Click to expand Imo the latter. The first shouldn't be used or taken seriously. But to be adversed in how porn works before you enter it? Is that really to expect from a young woman just entering the job market? Anyhoe, If I would see the same kind of thing from one of my favorite directors/male performers, I would shit on them too, wouldn't matter if I'd been a long time fan. And that's how it's works, everyone remember your mistakes. For me, Max Hardcore based on those mistakes, has the same right to make porn as if he were making child porn... none that is. [Link]
RandomPrecision Senior Member Enjoy! 8175 Posts 3/06	Posted - Sep 8 2008 : 6:13AM BlackSix wrote: I corrected the typo on Kami's name, I know who she is, but that is just her experience, how many other stories would be needed to actually convince you RP? How about Bill Margold's story elsewhere on this forum? I suspect no number would change your mind, and I don't really care to try, this debate has been beaten into the ground many, many times before. Don't you guys ever get tired of repeating the same arguments over and over again on here? Jeez. Click to expand I don't know who Bill Marigold is or why I should believe him. I'm a casual porn fan. I don't have every porn actor, actress or director cataloged in my mind. I know who Kami is and why her opinion carries weight. I've read some of the things other people had to say but I don't know those people. I know OF some of them but I don't know them. I never said my mind was made up. I just said that you'd need to talk to just about everyone who ever worked with him to make sure you were getting a fair and accurate picture of him. And you'd have to know something about those people. People lie. I hate to say it so bluntly but it's true. I also know how easy it is to make enemies. I know that Kami didn't have an agenda so I trust her. Now who are these other people and how do you know they're telling the truth? It's enough if you can just say that you feel that you know what kind of person they are and you feel that they wouldn't lie. I don't care what your reasons for thinking that are. Just as long as you can say it with confidence. Edited by - randomprecision on 9/8/2008 6:42:59 AM [Link]
Darrah Deactivated User 135 Posts 7/08	Posted - Sep 8 2008 : 11:59AM leatherface wrote: she stopped the scene with Rocco, why she doesn't stopped the scene with Max? Click to expand You're joking right? Rocco stopped, Max didn't. It had nothing to do with Roxy. Max overpowered her and had no intention to do what she wanted. He did what he wanted. [Link]
BlackSix All-Star Member pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07	Posted - Sep 14 2008 : 6:19PM @ RP, way back when I had seen a couple Max Hardcore films, didn't like them (I still think his greatest crimes have been against good pornography) but figured it just was what it was. But then I saw the British documentary Hardcore (2001) that has extensive footage of Max verbally harassing and abusing a girl he's freaked out by trying to strangle during a scene. Max later claimed he had been 'set up' and that the footage was edited to make him look bad but anyone who has seen the actual footage can see that he is on camera in a static shot ripping down this girl in classic pimp style trying to get her to continue the scene. Whatever the 'context' was that the filmmakers may or may not have removed, his behavior is inexcusable. Now if Max acts that way when a camera is actually on him, imagine what he must be like when a girl doesn't do what he wants and there's no outsiders around? Kami is a tough, seasoned performer with loads of rough sex experience who would have no problem giving Max what he wants, but what about the other girls? I know you've heard of this doc in previous debates on Max, I encourage you to seek it out and let me know what you think after watching the scene. I don't expect it to change your mind, but I'm honestly curious what you make of it. [Link]
leatherface Senior Member 1258 Posts 7/07	Posted - Sep 14 2008 : 7:01PM Darrah wrote: leatherface wrote: she stopped the scene with Rocco, why she doesn't stopped the scene with Max? Click to expand You're joking right? Rocco stopped, Max didn't. Click to expand you are joking: Roxy stopped the scene with Rocco, not Rocco. [Link]

Darrah Deactivated User 135 Posts 7/08	Posted - Sep 15 2008 : 12:54AM leatherface wrote: you are joking: Roxy stopped the scene with Rocco, not Rocco. Click to expand Roxy cannot stop anything because if the man doesn't want to stop, then he will not stop. She cannot over power Rocco. Is she a black belt in karate and she kicked his ass in order for him to stop? Roxy did not stop anything, he did. That's like blaming a woman for her own rape saying well she didn't stop it and could have. Unless the woman is a fucking wrestler or a black belt, she cannot stop anything. He is the one that stopped. [Link]
RandomPrecision Senior Member Enjoy! 8175 Posts 3/06	Posted - Sep 15 2008 : 4:50AM BlackSix wrote: I know you've heard of this doc in previous debates on Max, I encourage you to seek it out and let me know what you think after watching the scene. I don't expect it to change your mind, but I'm honestly curious what you make of it. Click to expand Well I can't seem to find it anywhere. I read a couple of articles about it but I'd probably have to see it to really know what you're talking about. From the description, it sounds like you're right but I'd still rather see it. If you know where it can be found, I'd be willing to give it a look. [Link]
Darrah Deactivated User 135 Posts 7/08	Posted - Sep 15 2008 : 5:26AM I remember a British case against Max and I think she filed or was about to file rape charges. But he always sticks a camera in their faces after he rapes them and makes them say they enjoyed it and liked it all for his own legal defense. The woman are probably still in shock after what was just done to them and say whatever he tells them to say fearing if they don't, that he'll attack them again. [Link]
Zoid Senior Member Boobies and Anal 2004 Posts 5/04	Posted - Sep 15 2008 : 6:12AM RandomPrecision wrote: From the description, it sounds like you're right but I'd still rather see it. If you know where it can be found, I'd be willing to give it a look. Click to expand I don't think it will be easy to find. It's a 7 years old documentary, and as far as I know, it was never released on DVD/VHS. Maybe Channel4 has it somewhere in their archives, but other than that.. [Link]
cocacoladdict Member 359 Posts 1/08	Posted - Sep 15 2008 : 1:31PM Darrah wrote: But he always sticks a camera in their faces after he rapes them and makes them say they enjoyed it and liked it all for his own legal defense. The woman are probably still in shock after what was just done to them and say whatever he tells them to say fearing if they don't, that he'll attack them again. Click to expand With all due respect I think thats bullshit. I have seen enough good bad and ugly porn in the category of abusive to have some sense of what goes on and what doesn't and whats what...I dont see anywhere near the venom directed at Khan Tusion that I see at Max...I dont see near the venom directed at Dumont(?) the Red Board S&M video producer then I see at Max. I dont see anyone protesting Kink.Com or wishing the owners dead or in jail. I have seen girls work with Max and say no on camera and terminate scenes.Has he been an asshole?..oh hell yes sure and it's been evident in some of his scenes....but how is that exclusive to Max? I have seen girls work a scene with him that turns out to be more then they anticipated but they finish it anyway. Ok so what?..like that doesnt happen in porn all over?...I've heard lots of stories about girls have issues with scenes and leaving in so called normal genres. Like girls haven't been lied to or treated abusively by a wide variety of company's or producers? I have seen BTS after BTS in Max's movies and I refuse to believe he's standing there with a spinning B&W spiral disk hypnotizing the girls into laughing and smiling. I refuse to go along with demonizing Max as some solo and aberrent facet of porn that everyone else in the business can point at and go YES BURN HIM!..not US! [Link]
MissJanet Member Germany, Europe 110 Posts 3/05	Posted - Sep 15 2008 : 2:00PM Darrah wrote: Roxy cannot stop anything because if the man doesn't want to stop, then he will not stop. She cannot over power Rocco. Is she a black belt in karate and she kicked his ass in order for him to stop? Roxy did not stop anything, he did. That's like blaming a woman for her own rape saying well she didn't stop it and could have. Unless the woman is a fucking wrestler or a black belt, she cannot stop anything. He is the one that stopped. Click to expand I totally disagree! The scene with Roxy and Rocco has nothing to do with the kind of rape scenario you want to connect it with. Both Rocco and Roxy were in a controlled environment, with her being able to make him stop. He asked her repeatedly if he should stop and she told him to continue. I saw the scene and didn't like it, but it was no rape. [Link]
Darrah Deactivated User 135 Posts 7/08	Posted - Sep 15 2008 : 2:09PM No one goes against Khan or the others because no one knows what most of them look like. I tried getting a screen shot of Khan from his video with the volume off of course but whenever his head shows, there's a white spot or a black bar covering his damn face. The only two pictures I can find of him are bad. One the face is pixelated and the other is a side view and dark. I had the side view picture lightened but you still can't tell what he looks like. Max wants to be known and puts himself out there because he wants that "fame". He hides behind the Constitution when it's people like him that give porn a bad name. What Max and Khan and those types of degenerates do is not porn! It's trash and they are only doing to satisfy their sick hatred of women. It's the same stories from countless amounts of women saying the same thing. They are criminals. [Link]
Darrah Deactivated User 135 Posts 7/08	Posted - Sep 15 2008 : 2:16PM MissJanet wrote: I totally disagree! The scene with Roxy and Rocco has nothing to do with the kind of rape scenario you want to connect it with. Both Rocco and Roxy were in a controlled environment, with her being able to make him stop. He asked her repeatedly if he should stop and she told him to continue. I saw the scene and didn't like it, but it was no rape. Click to expand Oh wait. I never said Rocco abused her. I said Max did. Max wouldn't stop while Rocco did. You even said now he asked her if he should stop. I'm saying it doesn't matter what the woman says. It will only stop if the man wants to stop. Most women cannot physically overpower men. Rocco asked her if he should stop and she said it was okay to continue. Roxy wanted Max to stop but he didn't. But let's not portray Rocco as a saint. I've heard of real bad stories on how he's treated OTHER women. But that's a different issue for another day. [Link]
MissJanet Member Germany, Europe 110 Posts 3/05	Posted - Sep 15 2008 : 3:03PM Darrah, read your original message again- Darrah wrote: leatherface wrote: you are joking: Roxy stopped the scene with Rocco, not Rocco. Click to expand Roxy cannot stop anything because if the man doesn't want to stop, then he will not stop. She cannot over power Rocco. Is she a black belt in karate and she kicked his ass in order for him to stop? Roxy did not stop anything, he did. That's like blaming a woman for her own rape saying well she didn't stop it and could have. Unless the woman is a fucking wrestler or a black belt, she cannot stop anything. He is the one that stopped. Click to expand You don't mention Max, only Rocco. And you clearly make Roxy the powerless victim of Rocco. But, I tend to agree with your last post about Rocco. He has and continues to assault women. [Link]
RandomPrecision Senior Member Enjoy! 8175 Posts 3/06	Posted - Sep 15 2008 : 4:23PM Darrah wrote: I'm saying it doesn't matter what the woman says. Click to expand This is taken out of context but it might be the most truthful thing said here. [Link]

leatherface Senior Member 1258 Posts 7/07	Posted - Sep 15 2008 : 8:40PM Darrah wrote: leatherface wrote: you are joking: Roxy stopped the scene with Rocco, not Rocco. Click to expand Roxy cannot stop anything because if the man doesn't want to stop, then he will not stop. She cannot over power Rocco. Is she a black belt in karate and she kicked his ass in order for him to stop? Roxy did not stop anything, he did. Click to expand i think it was a porno scene, not a rape. Roxy stopped the scene, look at it before talking. [Link]
leatherface Senior Member 1258 Posts 7/07	Posted - Sep 15 2008 : 8:45PM Darrah wrote: Rocco asked her if he should stop and she said it was okay to continue. Click to expand we have not seen the same movie. [Link]
BlackSix All-Star Member pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07	Posted - Sep 16 2008 : 1:41AM cocacoladdict wrote: I dont see anywhere near the venom directed at Khan Tusion that I see at Max...... Click to expand You must not be looking in the right places, Khan is one of the most hated men in porn. I've heard lots of stories about girls have issues with scenes and leaving in so called normal genres. Like girls haven't been lied to or treated abusively by a wide variety of company's or producers? Click to expand I'm sure others do behave as you suggest, and each one of them should be called out on it, not have apologists popping out of the woodwork whenever anyone criticizes them. [Link]
MissJanet Member Germany, Europe 110 Posts 3/05	Posted - Sep 16 2008 : 6:04AM leatherface wrote: Darrah wrote: Rocco asked her if he should stop and she said it was okay to continue. Click to expand we have not seen the same movie. Click to expand That part is in the BTS scenes. [Link]
RandomPrecision Senior Member Enjoy! 8175 Posts 3/06	Posted - Sep 16 2008 : 8:15AM BlackSix wrote: I'm sure others do behave as you suggest, and each one of them should be called out on it, not have apologists popping out of the woodwork whenever anyone criticizes them. Click to expand I'm not an apologist. I actually like to play devil's advocate sometimes. I have a couple of reasons for this. 1. It serves to add balance to a discussion. 2. Sometimes people just repeat rumors that they've heard and I have no idea at all where they got it. If I don't do anything other than cause people to do some research just to prove me wrong, I feel that it's worthwhile. In other words, if somebody pulled something out of their ass just in order to come down on the side of the debate they prefer, it usually shows when someone challenges them. Usually, that's all I'm trying to do. Simply challenge people to prove their point. In this case, Max is not a guy most people would want to defend. But that runs into a very real problem. And that is that a lot of people are willing to believe anything anybody says about him just because they don't like him or his movies. If I challenge someone to prove what they say and they come back with good, factual information, that's great. I don't care who's right or wrong. I just care about getting at the truth. If I need to appear to be defending Max in order to do that, so be it. [Link]
leatherface Senior Member 1258 Posts 7/07	Posted - Sep 16 2008 : 9:20AM MissJanet wrote: leatherface wrote: Darrah wrote: Rocco asked her if he should stop and she said it was okay to continue. Click to expand we have not seen the same movie. Click to expand That part is in the BTS scenes. Click to expand so why she doesn't continue the scene? [Link]
killbillvol69 All-Star Member ^Lucy Pinder 18631 Posts 4/08	Posted - Sep 16 2008 : 3:03PM This was posted in a new thread, but really it belongs here: WhiteBOY wrote: Check this out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhU0_A2XRBQ Yes, I know, everyones got different taste, but I can't help thinking: if you dig Max, you really really have a DARK side in your soul, black as coal. Getting off on repulsion... Or am I wrong? I mean, 150 Dollars for puke, piss and rape??? Click to expand Fell free to reply to the poster here if you wish, I have directed him to this thread and locked the other. [Link]
WhiteBOY Member 305 Posts 11/06	Posted - Sep 16 2008 : 3:21PM cobra887 wrote: my first thought is that MAX pays a HEFTY PREMIUM....this explains why the girls do the scenes....pretty simple Click to expand eh...150 US $...is that HEFTY PREMIUM? [Link]
Cornell Lingus Senior Member Carryin', contrarian, libertarian 2982 Posts 1/08	Posted - Sep 16 2008 : 3:26PM Isn't saying "Horrific Max Hardcore" redundant? [Link]
WhiteBOY Member 305 Posts 11/06	Posted - Sep 16 2008 : 3:44PM The Norwegian skinhead/nazi-flirt punk band "HAGGIS", made "film music" for Max Hardcore films, and even made a music video with him at his house before their US tour... They are notorious in Norway, and have a record of scandals and shocking and violence for over 10 years. For instance, only 10 minutes in their first gig in Santiago, Chile, for their latest world tour, police and anti-terror units stormed the concert area... And their frontman has presumably served time in norwegian prison for violence. They shamelessly flirt with German- naziesthetics and effects and symbols from the 30's and 40's. Their frontman claims that of all the creepy things they ever experienced around the world, BEING AROUND Max Hardcore, was the most shocking. And let me tell you, these guys are geniounely not easy shocked. They just said that being around him was very creepy, and they called him "completely insane" with a "creepy atmosphere" around him. Taken from: http://www.nrk.no/pyro/kunsten-a-irritere/ http://www.dagbladet.no/tekstarkiv/pdf.php?pa=A&d=2008-08-20&p=40&read=1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVvZOJUYsDE&feature=related I really wish you understood Norwegian, as thede are great articles. PS: look at this: an ironic warning from "Uncle Max"??? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VBrdum3dmM [Link]

WhiteBOY Member 305 Posts 11/06	Posted - Sep 16 2008 : 3:48PM Cornell Lingus wrote: Isn't saying "Horrific Max Hardcore" redundant? Click to expand Yes, POOR Max... I should have said "Romantic Max Hardcore"...as Paisley Hunter here is about to experience... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-kV_wXfgfg&feature=related Edited by - WhiteBoy on 9/16/2008 3:48:48 PM [Link]
tmd5 Member seika izumi 502 Posts 6/04	Posted - Sep 16 2008 : 5:58PM $150 for one scene? What kind of dirt bag would pay only $150? That can't be the full price..or can it? I hope to god that's not a "decent" price for one scene... [Link]
WhiteBOY Member 305 Posts 11/06	Posted - Sep 16 2008 : 6:36PM tmd5 wrote: $150 for one scene? What kind of dirt bag would pay only $150? That can't be the full price..or can it? I hope to god that's not a "decent" price for one scene... Click to expand Check this out... 150 US Dollars.... for Vomit, piss and Rape-like sex: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhU0_A2XRBQ [Link]
BlackSix All-Star Member pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07	Posted - Sep 17 2008 : 12:45AM RandomPrecision wrote: I'm not an apologist. Click to expand Sorry if I gave the impression I was referring to you RP, I was not. Grilled Jeez or whateverhisnamewas, that is an apologist. [Link]
BlackSix All-Star Member pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07	Posted - Sep 17 2008 : 12:50AM tmd5 wrote: $150 for one scene? What kind of dirt bag would pay only $150? That can't be the full price..or can it? I hope to god that's not a "decent" price for one scene... Click to expand I think the only thing that could explain a woman accepting $150 for a full scene is a drug problem. [Link]
skronker Notable Legendary Icon Scopophiliac 9780 Posts 9/02	Posted - Sep 17 2008 : 1:11AM Darrah wrote: No one goes against Khan or the others because no one knows what most of them look like. I tried getting a screen shot of Khan from his video with the volume off of course but whenever his head shows ... Click to expand Tsk. Getting such a pic is not all that hard if you have any useful contacts. If you can scrape up airfare to Las Vegas in January you can take one yourself. Though KT is rather passe these days ... [Link]
skronker Notable Legendary Icon Scopophiliac 9780 Posts 9/02	Posted - Sep 17 2008 : 1:16AM leatherface wrote: Darrah wrote: Rocco asked her if he should stop and she said it was okay to continue. Click to expand we have not seen the same movie. Click to expand Then neither of you have probably seen the thread about the scene which is nearly 2-1/2 years old at this point. The search function can be an amazing resource! [Link]
SJOriginal Member I'm not bad, I'm just drawn that way 158 Posts 9/08	Posted - Sep 17 2008 : 2:47AM I have listened to most of this topic, and here's what I have to say as once an insider and now simply a fan. The term "giving porn a bad name" is somewhat of an oxymoron. Isn't porn supposed to be "bad"? I'd rather children not watch it, and this cuddly love fest, couple crap is driving towards a friendlier more accepting market. Porn is the last bastion of true libertarianism. I don't want to censor it, control it and tell "it" what to do. Max, though repugnant to some, DOES follow the law or he'd be in a world of crap. He actually fell into some trouble on a constitutional issue, which I believe he is still fighting. It's to be expected in this current political climate. Correct me if I'm wrong on that issue. However, he doesn't rape. He doesn't drug the girls. He doesn't use underage performers. It might look like it; but it's not. It's a fantasy; plain and simple. Everyone who participates knows the pitfalls, and I have NEVER heard of a girl being paid $150. Where did that rumor start? I knew plenty of girls who worked with him and surprisingly enough liked his honesty and rough side. Not everyone is into cuddling and couple sex, not even the actresses. I know for a fact Chloe Nicole, Cumisha Amado and Tiffany Minx all ENJOYED yes ENJOYED working for him. Let's not put lipstick on a pig and call it Elle McPherson. It is meant to be raw, nasty, hot and primal. This isn't Disney; it's porn. Max; he's tapped into that. Like him or hate him; he's just making porn, but without pretentions. Nuff said Sarah Jane x [Link]
BlackSix All-Star Member pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07	Posted - Sep 17 2008 : 3:00AM The youtube link that Whiteboy posted has an exit interview and payment of $150 to a performer who later accused Max of abusing her. So if anyone started the 'rumour' that he pays as little as $150 it was Max. [Link]
SJOriginal Member I'm not bad, I'm just drawn that way 158 Posts 9/08	Posted - Sep 17 2008 : 3:11AM BlackSix wrote: The youtube link that Whiteboy posted has an exit interview and payment of $150 to a performer who later accused Max of abusing her. So if anyone started the 'rumour' that he pays as little as $150 it was Max. Click to expand Honestly, knowing Max somewhat, I think he was just being a controversial ass, if he said that. Sometimes people are misquoted. However if that came out of his mouth, he was probably trying to rile people up; and it worked. But thanks I will check it out myself ... [Link]
BlackSix All-Star Member pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07	Posted - Sep 17 2008 : 3:13AM Yeah, the video is probably BS, on a lot of levels. [Link]
skronker Notable Legendary Icon Scopophiliac 9780 Posts 9/02	Posted - Sep 17 2008 : 11:12AM I saw that $150 thing in the video and it looked like a gag. [Link]
leatherface Senior Member 1258 Posts 7/07	Posted - Sep 17 2008 : 3:43PM skronker wrote: leatherface wrote: Darrah wrote: Rocco asked her if he should stop and she said it was okay to continue. Click to expand we have not seen the same movie. Click to expand Then neither of you have probably seen the thread about the scene which is nearly 2-1/2 years old at this point. The search function can be an amazing resource! Click to expand i know, in fact if you read the second page of this thread i've posted the same link ;) [Link]
Gunner5549 Member 6 Posts 4/08	Posted - Nov 18 2008 : 2:47PM As stated, Khan is now passe.. Who has taken his place? [Link]
StillHope Deactivated User "You didn't say Car Ram Rod" 149 Posts 2/06	Posted - Apr 5 2010 : 6:30PM I see many many people referring to this Channel 4 BBC documentary entitled "Hardcore" with Felicity, but I have yet to see any footage of said documentary. Does anyone know where one could legally get his hands on such footage for an objective perspective? [Link]
Mastrick Member 220 Posts 5/06	Posted - Apr 7 2010 : 3:18PM Wonder if Max is doing anal now :) [Link]

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yoda57us
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Posted - Sep 7 2008 : 8:15PM

Interesting POV but Max did not "degrade" the actress in question. She agreed to act in several films of his for a very large sums of money. She knew what was going to happen before cameras rolled, as do all of the other actresses that agree to work with Max. Furthermore, the quote in question here came from a live chat that the actress did almost six years after the scenes had been shot and she was long retired from porn. Is it so hard to believe that an actress could go into a situation with her eyes open, work with a director and form an opinion about him that may be different from yours? I mean gee wiz...she actually met the guy. Have you?
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RandomPrecision
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Posted - Sep 8 2008 : 1:27AM

I think that all the opinions in the world from porn fans aren't worth a whole lot.
When you have a thread called "Working for Max Hardcore", the only posts that are really going to count should come from girls who actually have.
There's tons of speculation. There are even a few girls who have spoken out. But if this man is such a monster, where are all the posts from women who actually worked with him and want to make sure everyone knows it?
How many women did Max work with over his career? OK. So you can find a few who say this or that. What do the rest of them have to say?
I could say Max is a filthy degenerate all day long but what do I know? I've never even met the man.

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Dr_Fell
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Posted - Sep 8 2008 : 2:05AM

The opinion of we pr0n fans, even those with which I disagree, are worthwhile as we're the consumers. After the women who perform, we're arguably the most important segment of the industry.
I otherwise agree with your statement. I remember seeing one interview with a women relatively new to the industry who won an award. She said that working with Max Hardcore made the award possible because the experience taught her what she could do as a performer. (Forgive me for not remembering her name--she wasn't one of my favorites so I didn't make a note of it.)
I briefly met Max Hardcore in the parking lot at a consumer electronics store in Burbank--the one by the Bob Hope Airport. He was there with Catalina. I introduced myself as a fan and admirer of his work and he was friendly enough given the fact that he was about to have an experience with the worst customer service department on the face of the Earth.
As for Max's reputation for being a monster, who is to say? There are a number of directors in Hollywood who are notorious for pushing an actor's buttons to get the most out of a performance. (Watch "Hearts of Darkness" as one of the greatest directors alive pushes his star to tears.)

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MikeOxhard
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Posted - Sep 8 2008 : 3:23AM

I notice that Max used to post here.
Also, some comments from kami in this thread
"I know Max personally and I have worked with him 2x. He goes through an exhaustive explanation of what's going to happen and I always knew I could leave, I worked hard but was done within 2 hours both times. I walked out of there cash in hand uninjurednot so much as a bruise (i have bruises in like 50% of my damn movies)but wet :)
I don't think it's fair for people who have never set foot on any set to state they factually know something about a person they have never met. I took one of the worst beating on a new sensations set and you can bet your sweet ass none of it will be in the movie, it was 100% consensual and I loved it, that's not my point my point is a lot goes on and neither of my max scenes is even in my top 10 roughest scenes."
and this thread
"I worked with him and I adored him. Fuck i worked with him twice, read my posts. I don't pull punches. Max never pushed me harder than he said he would. I enjoyed working with him enough to work with him a second time, and if I was still in the biz I would work with him again. Max is Max, like I said. He is real and honest, you get what you get."

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BlackSix

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Posted - Sep 8 2008 : 3:29AM

I think the Max discussion has been exhausted here. Others can post links to performers saying the exact opposite of Kami, I don't think either side is going to change their minds, and none of these posts are actually in reference to the original OP.
Edited by - BlackSix on 9/8/2008 4:26:24 AM

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Gunzo
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Posted - Sep 8 2008 : 3:40AM

Uhm... they left the business that very afternoon perhaps?
As said, a lot of psychopats are nice... people-persons... everyone who've seen one of his most notorius scenes must doubt him, I don't see how you can say 'He's really a nice guy!' after watching one of those... it's beyond my grasp.
I don't think the opinion from performers enjoying rough, degredation etc even counts... they like to be abused... Max doesn't have to push them at all in order to produce his product. Yet I bet there are several girls into rough who would choose not to work with Max for other reasons than how old and ugly he may be.

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RandomPrecision
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Posted - Sep 8 2008 : 4:06AM

That was Kami. Not Kimi. And Kami has a lot of credibility on this board (and with me) because she has a long posting history. She tells it like it is. I know she wouldn't hesitate to hang Max out to dry if she thought he deserved it. Anyone who knows her here will tell you that.
So when you have these other people who have bad things to say, OK. I'm listening but I don't know anything about them. If you're inclined to believe anything bad that you hear about Max just because you don't like the kind of porn he made, you're hardly being objective.
But a few stories here and there are not enough to form an opinion. I'd need a lot more. I don't think the man is a saint but I'm wondering why the people who should hate him the most don't seem to have much to say.

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Posted - Sep 8 2008 : 4:20AM

Oh you don't? So as long as they say they hated every minute of it, their opinion counts but if they didn't have a problem with it, they have no right to say so and be taken seriously?
You know what that sounds like to me? It sounds like you're saying -
"You're a victim. You're a victim whether you feel like a victim or not. You're a victim because I think you're a victim"

And that's exactly what they should do. Choose not to work with him. It's not a defense if he went farther than he was supposed to any more than being married gives a man a license to rape his wife.
But were you on any of those sets? Even one of them? We're arguing about what Max should or shouldn't have done to women who aren't even here to speak for themselves (or who choose not to). Don't you think that's a tad presumptive?
Is it more sexist to use the term "Fuck hole" or to assume a woman is too stupid to make her own decisions?

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BlackSix

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Posted - Sep 8 2008 : 4:30AM

I corrected the typo on Kami's name, I know who she is, but that is just her experience, how many other stories would be needed to actually convince you RP? How about Bill Margold's story elsewhere on this forum? I suspect no number would change your mind, and I don't really care to try, this debate has been beaten into the ground many, many times before. Don't you guys ever get tired of repeating the same arguments over and over again on here? Jeez.

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Gunzo
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Posted - Sep 8 2008 : 5:35AM

Haha... yes... everyone in porn is victim. You got me there RP, it's a horrible industry full of victims. That's exactly what I'm communicating...

Since he seems to have new girls pretty much all the time... I'm simply assuming that he have to do it that way because they're not very likely to come back to 'shoot for him' again... Luckily it's easier to leave Max than a husband.

Why, don't I have the right to analyze everything I see, hear and read? I could deny the holocaust because... where the fuck was I? O right... not born yet... I could believe in neonazis and non-redeeming SS-soldiers giving me 'proof' such an historical event never occurred (or that it was justified), that it's just a morbid story used to scare children with.
What I'm questioning, still, is if those defending Max has actually seen his worst? (the rare shit I would like to call semi-snuff) I would love to hear Kami or any 'insider' comment on those precise scenes and then ask again if he's really such a nice guy.
Sure that Rebecca Linares scene was pretty bad, but it's more ambigious than what I'm thinking of (at least she had been in porn for a while before this and she does that 'I don't have to take it smiling because Max is all about little girls crying when getting rammed').

Imo the latter. The first shouldn't be used or taken seriously. But to be adversed in how porn works before you enter it? Is that really to expect from a young woman just entering the job market?
Anyhoe, If I would see the same kind of thing from one of my favorite directors/male performers, I would shit on them too, wouldn't matter if I'd been a long time fan. And that's how it's works, everyone remember your mistakes. For me, Max Hardcore based on those mistakes, has the same right to make porn as if he were making child porn... none that is.

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RandomPrecision
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Posted - Sep 8 2008 : 6:13AM

I don't know who Bill Marigold is or why I should believe him. I'm a casual porn fan. I don't have every porn actor, actress or director cataloged in my mind. I know who Kami is and why her opinion carries weight.
I've read some of the things other people had to say but I don't know those people. I know OF some of them but I don't know them.
I never said my mind was made up. I just said that you'd need to talk to just about everyone who ever worked with him to make sure you were getting a fair and accurate picture of him. And you'd have to know something about those people. People lie. I hate to say it so bluntly but it's true. I also know how easy it is to make enemies. I know that Kami didn't have an agenda so I trust her. Now who are these other people and how do you know they're telling the truth? It's enough if you can just say that you feel that you know what kind of person they are and you feel that they wouldn't lie. I don't care what your reasons for thinking that are. Just as long as you can say it with confidence.
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Darrah
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Posted - Sep 8 2008 : 11:59AM

You're joking right? Rocco stopped, Max didn't. It had nothing to do with Roxy. Max overpowered her and had no intention to do what she wanted. He did what he wanted.

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BlackSix

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Posted - Sep 14 2008 : 6:19PM

@ RP, way back when I had seen a couple Max Hardcore films, didn't like them (I still think his greatest crimes have been against good pornography) but figured it just was what it was.
But then I saw the British documentary Hardcore (2001) that has extensive footage of Max verbally harassing and abusing a girl he's freaked out by trying to strangle during a scene. Max later claimed he had been 'set up' and that the footage was edited to make him look bad but anyone who has seen the actual footage can see that he is on camera in a static shot ripping down this girl in classic pimp style trying to get her to continue the scene. Whatever the 'context' was that the filmmakers may or may not have removed, his behavior is inexcusable.
Now if Max acts that way when a camera is actually on him, imagine what he must be like when a girl doesn't do what he wants and there's no outsiders around? Kami is a tough, seasoned performer with loads of rough sex experience who would have no problem giving Max what he wants, but what about the other girls?
I know you've heard of this doc in previous debates on Max, I encourage you to seek it out and let me know what you think after watching the scene. I don't expect it to change your mind, but I'm honestly curious what you make of it.

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leatherface
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Posted - Sep 14 2008 : 7:01PM

you are joking: Roxy stopped the scene with Rocco, not Rocco.

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Darrah
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Posted - Sep 15 2008 : 12:54AM

Roxy cannot stop anything because if the man doesn't want to stop, then he will not stop. She cannot over power Rocco. Is she a black belt in karate and she kicked his ass in order for him to stop? Roxy did not stop anything, he did. That's like blaming a woman for her own rape saying well she didn't stop it and could have. Unless the woman is a fucking wrestler or a black belt, she cannot stop anything. He is the one that stopped.

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RandomPrecision
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Posted - Sep 15 2008 : 4:50AM

Well I can't seem to find it anywhere.
I read a couple of articles about it but I'd probably have to see it to really know what you're talking about.
From the description, it sounds like you're right but I'd still rather see it. If you know where it can be found, I'd be willing to give it a look.

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Darrah
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Posted - Sep 15 2008 : 5:26AM

I remember a British case against Max and I think she filed or was about to file rape charges. But he always sticks a camera in their faces after he rapes them and makes them say they enjoyed it and liked it all for his own legal defense. The woman are probably still in shock after what was just done to them and say whatever he tells them to say fearing if they don't, that he'll attack them again.

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Zoid
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Posted - Sep 15 2008 : 6:12AM

I don't think it will be easy to find. It's a 7 years old documentary, and as far as I know, it was never released on DVD/VHS. Maybe Channel4 has it somewhere in their archives, but other than that..

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cocacoladdict
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Posted - Sep 15 2008 : 1:31PM

With all due respect I think thats bullshit. I have seen enough good bad and ugly porn in the category of abusive to have some sense of what goes on and what doesn't and whats what...I dont see anywhere near the venom directed at Khan Tusion that I see at Max...I dont see near the venom directed at Dumont(?) the Red Board S&M video producer then I see at Max. I dont see anyone protesting Kink.Com or wishing the owners dead or in jail.
I have seen girls work with Max and say no on camera and terminate scenes.Has he been an asshole?..oh hell yes sure and it's been evident in some of his scenes....but how is that exclusive to Max? I have seen girls work a scene with him that turns out to be more then they anticipated but they finish it anyway.
Ok so what?..like that doesnt happen in porn all over?...I've heard lots of stories about girls have issues with scenes and leaving in so called normal genres. Like girls haven't been lied to or treated abusively by a wide variety of company's or producers?
I have seen BTS after BTS in Max's movies and I refuse to believe he's standing there with a spinning B&W spiral disk hypnotizing the girls into laughing and smiling.
I refuse to go along with demonizing Max as some solo and aberrent facet of porn that everyone else in the business can point at and go YES BURN HIM!..not US!

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MissJanet
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Posted - Sep 15 2008 : 2:00PM

I totally disagree! The scene with Roxy and Rocco has nothing to do with the kind of rape scenario you want to connect it with. Both Rocco and Roxy were in a controlled environment, with her being able to make him stop. He asked her repeatedly if he should stop and she told him to continue. I saw the scene and didn't like it, but it was no rape.

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Darrah
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Posted - Sep 15 2008 : 2:09PM

No one goes against Khan or the others because no one knows what most of them look like. I tried getting a screen shot of Khan from his video with the volume off of course but whenever his head shows, there's a white spot or a black bar covering his damn face. The only two pictures I can find of him are bad. One the face is pixelated and the other is a side view and dark. I had the side view picture lightened but you still can't tell what he looks like.
Max wants to be known and puts himself out there because he wants that "fame". He hides behind the Constitution when it's people like him that give porn a bad name. What Max and Khan and those types of degenerates do is not porn! It's trash and they are only doing to satisfy their sick hatred of women. It's the same stories from countless amounts of women saying the same thing. They are criminals.

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Darrah
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Posted - Sep 15 2008 : 2:16PM

Oh wait. I never said Rocco abused her. I said Max did. Max wouldn't stop while Rocco did. You even said now he asked her if he should stop.
I'm saying it doesn't matter what the woman says. It will only stop if the man wants to stop. Most women cannot physically overpower men. Rocco asked her if he should stop and she said it was okay to continue. Roxy wanted Max to stop but he didn't.
But let's not portray Rocco as a saint. I've heard of real bad stories on how he's treated OTHER women. But that's a different issue for another day.

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MissJanet
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Posted - Sep 15 2008 : 3:03PM

Darrah, read your original message again-

You don't mention Max, only Rocco. And you clearly make Roxy the powerless victim of Rocco.
But, I tend to agree with your last post about Rocco. He has and continues to assault women.

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RandomPrecision
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Posted - Sep 15 2008 : 4:23PM

This is taken out of context but it might be the most truthful thing said here.

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leatherface
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Posted - Sep 15 2008 : 8:40PM

i think it was a porno scene, not a rape.
Roxy stopped the scene, look at it before talking.

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leatherface
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Posted - Sep 15 2008 : 8:45PM

we have not seen the same movie.

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BlackSix

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Posted - Sep 16 2008 : 1:41AM

You must not be looking in the right places, Khan is one of the most hated men in porn.

I'm sure others do behave as you suggest, and each one of them should be called out on it, not have apologists popping out of the woodwork whenever anyone criticizes them.

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MissJanet
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Posted - Sep 16 2008 : 6:04AM

That part is in the BTS scenes.

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RandomPrecision
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Posted - Sep 16 2008 : 8:15AM

I'm not an apologist. I actually like to play devil's advocate sometimes. I have a couple of reasons for this.
1. It serves to add balance to a discussion.
2. Sometimes people just repeat rumors that they've heard and I have no idea at all where they got it. If I don't do anything other than cause people to do some research just to prove me wrong, I feel that it's worthwhile.
In other words, if somebody pulled something out of their ass just in order to come down on the side of the debate they prefer, it usually shows when someone challenges them. Usually, that's all I'm trying to do. Simply challenge people to prove their point.
In this case, Max is not a guy most people would want to defend. But that runs into a very real problem. And that is that a lot of people are willing to believe anything anybody says about him just because they don't like him or his movies.
If I challenge someone to prove what they say and they come back with good, factual information, that's great. I don't care who's right or wrong. I just care about getting at the truth. If I need to appear to be defending Max in order to do that, so be it.

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leatherface
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Posted - Sep 16 2008 : 9:20AM

so why she doesn't continue the scene?

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killbillvol69

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Posted - Sep 16 2008 : 3:03PM

This was posted in a new thread, but really it belongs here:

Fell free to reply to the poster here if you wish, I have directed him to this thread and locked the other.

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WhiteBOY
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Posted - Sep 16 2008 : 3:21PM

eh...150 US $...is that HEFTY PREMIUM?

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Cornell Lingus
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Posted - Sep 16 2008 : 3:26PM

Isn't saying "Horrific Max Hardcore" redundant?

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WhiteBOY
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Posted - Sep 16 2008 : 3:44PM

The Norwegian skinhead/nazi-flirt punk band "HAGGIS", made "film music" for Max Hardcore films, and even made a music video with him at his house before their US tour... They are notorious in Norway, and have a record of scandals and shocking and violence for over 10 years. For instance, only 10 minutes in their first gig in Santiago, Chile, for their latest world tour, police and anti-terror units stormed the concert area... And their frontman has presumably served time in norwegian prison for violence. They shamelessly flirt with German- naziesthetics and effects and symbols from the 30's and 40's.
Their frontman claims that of all the creepy things they ever experienced around the world, BEING AROUND Max Hardcore, was the most shocking. And let me tell you, these guys are geniounely not easy shocked. They just said that being around him was very creepy, and they called him "completely insane" with a "creepy atmosphere" around him.
Taken from:
http://www.nrk.no/pyro/kunsten-a-irritere/
http://www.dagbladet.no/tekstarkiv/pdf.php?pa=A&d=2008-08-20&p=40&read=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVvZOJUYsDE&feature=related
I really wish you understood Norwegian, as thede are great articles.
PS: look at this: an ironic warning from "Uncle Max"???
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VBrdum3dmM

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WhiteBOY
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Posted - Sep 16 2008 : 3:48PM

Yes, POOR Max... I should have said "Romantic Max Hardcore"...as Paisley Hunter here is about to experience...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-kV_wXfgfg&feature=related
Edited by - WhiteBoy on 9/16/2008 3:48:48 PM

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tmd5
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Posted - Sep 16 2008 : 5:58PM

$150 for one scene? What kind of dirt bag would pay only $150?
That can't be the full price..or can it? I hope to god that's not a "decent" price for one scene...

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WhiteBOY
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Posted - Sep 16 2008 : 6:36PM

Check this out... 150 US Dollars.... for Vomit, piss and Rape-like sex:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhU0_A2XRBQ

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BlackSix

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Posted - Sep 17 2008 : 12:45AM

Sorry if I gave the impression I was referring to you RP, I was not. Grilled Jeez or whateverhisnamewas, that is an apologist.

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BlackSix

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Posted - Sep 17 2008 : 12:50AM

I think the only thing that could explain a woman accepting $150 for a full scene is a drug problem.

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Posted - Sep 17 2008 : 1:11AM

Tsk. Getting such a pic is not all that hard if you have any useful contacts. If you can scrape up airfare to Las Vegas in January you can take one yourself. Though KT is rather passe these days ...

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skronker
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Posted - Sep 17 2008 : 1:16AM

Then neither of you have probably seen the thread about the scene which is nearly 2-1/2 years old at this point. The search function can be an amazing resource!

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SJOriginal
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Posted - Sep 17 2008 : 2:47AM

I have listened to most of this topic, and here's what I have to say as once an insider and now simply a fan.
The term "giving porn a bad name" is somewhat of an oxymoron. Isn't porn supposed to be "bad"? I'd rather children not watch it, and this cuddly love fest, couple crap is driving towards a friendlier more accepting market. Porn is the last bastion of true libertarianism. I don't want to censor it, control it and tell "it" what to do. Max, though repugnant to some, DOES follow the law or he'd be in a world of crap. He actually fell into some trouble on a constitutional issue, which I believe he is still fighting. It's to be expected in this current political climate. Correct me if I'm wrong on that issue. However, he doesn't rape. He doesn't drug the girls. He doesn't use underage performers. It might look like it; but it's not. It's a fantasy; plain and simple. Everyone who participates knows the pitfalls, and I have NEVER heard of a girl being paid $150. Where did that rumor start?
I knew plenty of girls who worked with him and surprisingly enough liked his honesty and rough side. Not everyone is into cuddling and couple sex, not even the actresses. I know for a fact Chloe Nicole, Cumisha Amado and Tiffany Minx all ENJOYED yes ENJOYED working for him.
Let's not put lipstick on a pig and call it Elle McPherson. It is meant to be raw, nasty, hot and primal. This isn't Disney; it's porn. Max; he's tapped into that. Like him or hate him; he's just making porn, but without pretentions.
Nuff said
Sarah Jane x

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BlackSix

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Posted - Sep 17 2008 : 3:00AM

The youtube link that Whiteboy posted has an exit interview and payment of $150 to a performer who later accused Max of abusing her. So if anyone started the 'rumour' that he pays as little as $150 it was Max.

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SJOriginal
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Posted - Sep 17 2008 : 3:11AM

Honestly, knowing Max somewhat, I think he was just being a controversial ass, if he said that. Sometimes people are misquoted. However if that came out of his mouth, he was probably trying to rile people up; and it worked.
But thanks I will check it out myself ...

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BlackSix

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Posted - Sep 17 2008 : 3:13AM

Yeah, the video is probably BS, on a lot of levels.

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skronker
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Posted - Sep 17 2008 : 11:12AM

I saw that $150 thing in the video and it looked like a gag.

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leatherface
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Posted - Sep 17 2008 : 3:43PM

i know, in fact if you read the second page of this thread i've posted the same link ;)

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Gunner5549
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Posted - Nov 18 2008 : 2:47PM

As stated, Khan is now passe.. Who has taken his place?

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StillHope
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Posted - Apr 5 2010 : 6:30PM

I see many many people referring to this Channel 4 BBC documentary entitled "Hardcore" with Felicity, but I have yet to see any footage of said documentary. Does anyone know where one could legally get his hands on such footage for an objective perspective?

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Mastrick
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Posted - Apr 7 2010 : 3:18PM

Wonder if Max is doing anal now :)

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