The is also the the dark blonde one with his own website ( don´t remember name ) - has worked for Kink Gangbangs .
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Sometimes I´ll also include some names who have made female models feel bad on set or outside of it by transgressing boundaries etc ... So while they might not be abusive in the strict sense , they are on the verge of it .
this doesn't seem a good way to start a thread on abusive performers. I mean, posting what it looks like a discussion between the parts... that's not what I would call abuse. Because he's saying that she was wearing that kind of clothes before, and onestly it's hard to me to understand a person that doesn't want to say those words (it's just acting) especially considering the context (that means a female performer who's down for rough sex). That's more a disagreement to me: at least, judging those tweets (the reality could be different or more complex, but I can judge only what you've posted). And while abuse (that means: non consensual things happening) is a problem, to throw everything under that label seems like a problem too.
That´s why I wrote the paragraph about males " on the verge of it " ... It´s a nuance . Maybe they deserve their own separate thread . Other users and moderators will tell .
Otherwise , having Dupree and R Madison grouped together seems like a strong start to me .
Btw --- I am more on the side of the models . I am tired of seeing some of my favs retiring or semi-retiring bcuz of actors w dubious characters not respecting their boundaries or wanting to manipulate or push them into something not planned beforehand .
the problem is that without the proper distinctions this thread could transform itself in a witch hunt where every male is abusive even if he disagree with a model. By the way, what about Markus Dupree? I genuinely don't know what are his abuses.
There is a problem with manipulative female models also , so there could be a danger . Lets´s see how this thread develops and then action can be taken .
Btw , the context is that many females are now coming forward to tell their abuse ( or transgressing of boundaries ) stories , while some of them have waited for many years to step forward . (Janice´s Tw probably falls into this category ) Some percentage will maybe exagerate or make things up , but that probably could be sorted out .
After August Ames died some texts (between her and Emma Hix I think) were published about how badly Dupree treated Ames on a set a few weeks before her death.
Several actors backed it up saying Dupree had been abusive to them as well.
Jenny Blighe posted a video on Twitter today saying Manuel Ferrrara abused her during a scene she did with Ginger Banks. I don't know if Manuel realised he was physically hurting her, because she said she blacked out as he was penetrating her. I've seen a short clip of the scene and you can see her neck is all red where his hand had been.
Ginger Banks also came forward with similar abuse.
^ That came out a while ago. Even the mainstream news covered it. I guess no one paid much attention.
Take a look at the unplanned anal thread, also. Lots of references to Chris Strokes, someone who is known to violate boundaries, and is celebrated by fans for his efforts. To quote one ADTer, "God, this is such a hot topic! I wish there was some kind of Chris Strokes compilation out there for this. He's the man! :)" When I repeatedly point out that these are scenes of assault, including a tweet from a performer describing what happened as rape, surprise surprise, people get upset. Same thing with the painful anal thread--full of fans salivating over what they clearly know is real pain and distress. When this is pointed out, fans get upset about the harm this does to their boner. And now apparently fans are super shocked that this kind of thing goes on....
Sad but true. (Most) People don't like to be faced with truths that threaten their comfort.
If it's some sort of teasing of a girl's ass or whatever and she's okay with it that's different but so much of it is beyond that, sadly.
Of course some types of accidents can happen, but if that's the case the guilty performers should be able to realize they went too far, and if the victimized performer isn't even comfortable enough on a set to call someone out when they push or cross a boundary obviously there's something inherently wrong on the set.
^ The reactions also speak to more general attitudes toward women, sex, and assault. Those attitudes are magnified when discussing sex workers who, many believe, cannot be raped and/or should expect it because their job is to have sex. It's even tougher for porn performers because the incident is often on camera. Performers are forced to negotiate situations on the fly hoping to not "ruin" the scene and therefore not get paid. The fact that they got paid is often all it takes for people to dismiss their allegations of assault.
I've a very superficial knowledge of what is like being a porn performer. Of course I've read a lot of bad stories, like Vera King and her experience at Legal Porno, but still it's not that simple to really understand what is really like being there and all the dynamics, because those stories are often just from a single point of view. But shouldn't women put in a very explicit way what are their limits? Because if I go to do boxe with Floyd Mayweather and I'm punched very hard and maybe killed I can't say that it's his fault because I have agreed to be punched. And in a way porn performers are not that different. And that's is not to say that there aren't directors and male performers who are assholes and they would try to push in certain directions, but I have the impression that many times women don't say clearly "NO, I don't want to do this thing" and a lot of traumatizing experiences are due to this lack of clarity.
Like you, I can only speak based on what I've read abou the industry, but I think an issue is that to a certain extent there are no set frameworks and sets work differently. Ideally all sets should have the performers sit down and discuss every like and dislike, and what is acceptable. I'm sure those discussions happen on many sets but I'm sure it doesk't on some
However, I'm also sure it happens on some sets and are then being ignored by performers. I'd hate to pretend I know the solution with my superficial knowledge but maybe there needs to be advocates for the women on set; a third party to spot abuses and stop them or at least make the performers feel they're not alone on set.
Or maybe there has to just be a union. Some sort of framework that would take abuse allegations seriously, because right now performers are left hoping that abuse is being policed by groups who clearly don't have their best interest at heart. Their first line of defense against an abjse male talent is probably the director. They've proved just as abusive as talent, then there's studios and after them agents. None of them are in the end aligned with performers and all have proved ready to ostracize a performer to avoid stirring the pot (and their wallets).
There just has to be accountability. Performers shouldn't be alone with with the crew, but other crew being there is no guarantee you're safe as we can see.
It's similar to the BLM issues where police is policing police
Lumping some of those guys together with real abusers is wrong, and you should add abusive female performers as well(yes they exist) if you want to be objective and credible.
Of course there are good guys. There are plenty of male performers that are great and aren't being outed. I'm sure they're a mojority in fact. And yes there are female performers, directors etc who either are abusive themselves or are protecting abusive people. But whatever the solution is it can't be based on the fact that there are good people among them.
Well, you know, IMO the fact that they do go through with it and get paid does invalidate a lot of their argument. I'm not saying it excuses the guy's behavior if its true, but it does weaken her argument. Look at the girl making the Morehead claims. She says he forced his way into the bathroom and forced her to give him head. Complete douche move on his part. But, then the 2nd half of the story is a few days later she's with him again. Unless he dragged her kicking and screaming completely against her will, it does tend to weaken her case.
I've seen you around here and I know that you lean pretty right-wing on a lot of these issues, and while I disagree with a lot of what you have to say, I usually respect your points. However, this is one case where I have to say your argument is simply invalid. It's not rape if they finish the scene? Are you serious, man?
I started a similar topic last year after the Ana Rose allegations against Dupree and since that time, things sort of slowed down. At least the public allegations stopped while behind the scenes everything went on as usual unfortunately:
How long will this keep going on? The rise of OnlyFans, ManyVids, etc give these performers a chance to get out from under the studios and producers that keep hiring/shielding abusers.
IMO that's just a perfect example of why rape victims have such a hard time. There's an infinite number of ways a rape is made consensual because we have certain ways we expect people to act in these situations, and when they don't we invalidate them and their experiences.
Still don't understand why people use this Dupree guy in their scenes. He has severe ADHD, look at how he is so hyper in all his scenes, it's like he himself doesn't know what he wants to do with the girl. Stops every couple of seconds to furiously finger (and probably hurt) his co-star every single time.
If he were some kind of amazing performer who made the girls nut hard and fucked them properly, I would kind of understand but the dude not only is an outed abuser but a really shit performer too.
^ The worst thing is they trying to shove him down on the viewers throats, Evil Angel is a example, the movie called CONSENT directed by a woman have him on the cast is a joke or Jonni Darkko, PatMyne and Chris Streams put him in most of the scenes god knows why he even got a title with his name on. I'm glad that I cancelled my Evil Angel membership after see what EA was becoming. Now It's time to see what Brazzers will do...
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Posted - Jun 9 2020 : 9:26AM
You clearly have no understanding of coercion (rapey) and how victims with PTSD react and deal with it. If I had a sister or daughter I wouldn't let them get within a quarter of a mile of someone with your mindset. If you're not a piece of shit you don't put your hands on a woman's shoulders and force her down to blow you. Coercion is rape. Was she supposed to take the wait and see approach? Maybe he beats her and is more forceful so she can suffer even more. You have no clue what was going through her mind on either occasion. Aria or any woman in a situation like that has to make her decisions in fractions of a second while predators like Craven have the game plan well thought out. Does it matter to you that this isn't the only time that Craven has done this? Your post is totally devoid of empathy for victims and women in general. "Douche move on his part" You're a rapist apologist. I wouldn't be surprised if you had some frat boy skeletons in your closet. Is all this stuff in the news cycle hitting too close to home? You are an echo chamber for the a sex worker can't be raped crowd. I bet you really felt bad for the guys in The Accused. And lastly you're making a huge assumption that her agent even told her that she was working with Craven on the second occasion. Pure Taboo shoots on location not a studio with props and sets. Agents are a huge part of a problem.
I was under the impression that this was supposed to be a friendly community, and while you feel very strongly on your POV, please refrain from calling me names when you've never met me or know anything about me. Therefore, I will not be engaging with you on this topic. Thank you.
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Posted - Jun 9 2020 : 10:37AM
^ Cool story. Friendly people don't come to the defense of rapists. At what point did I call you a name? Don't know you? Get real. You let your views be known in your post. While I don't know your name and you don't know mine. I do know you. How we view the world makes up the essence of who we are. From your own words it's not rape if the woman isn't kicking and screaming and it's only a douche move. You are someone that condones rape in ceratin situations. That's who you are. Own it.
i see so many hate toward Dupree , it's one sided Rant picked up from a private conversation in an attempt to assassinate Dupree's character , one thing i know that Dupree is mostly a Gonzo style performer who considers Rocco as his role model , now i see that Rocco is Equally or even more Aggressive and hard on set with his partner during the scene.
i really want to know if the haters nows what is the Gonzo really , one preemptive response i have is that it's not a "Rape".
From what I read about Ginger Banks she actually disagreed with Jenny and refused to agree with her interpretation.
I did not see what Jenny posted recently, but I did see when she initially came out with the experience a while ago.
She said that she was not sure how much to blame the male performer because she was not sure what he was told to do by production. A lot of her complaints had to do with the scene having hard sex when she believed "vanilla" to mean more like "softcore". She also had a lot of complaints about how the male performer was playing video games when she arrived. Her overall experience is hard to read about but it's a story about expectations, at least from what I saw previously. Watching the entire scene shows that a lot of what she remembered happening actually happened in a different way. I strongly encourage anyone to watch the scene to understand.
^^ Hate on Markus is waranted. Again he cross boundaries so many times with little to no regard. I will NEVER forget what he did to August and there is proof in August own words and in pictures she showed on her abuse of him.
As for abusive male actors, Lily Lit said it best on twitter, she went to her gyno and was told literally it looked like she has been raped. She said she dont run away from dick because she cant handle it, she run away from it because she is scarred. That sums up everything.
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Posted - Jun 10 2020 : 9:26AM
^^^Of course you're right. It's not like the person that made the accusations is still around...I'm sorry, the "rant" as you say. Except that there are other performers that won't work with Dupree because they felt he at the very least took things too far on the set. And his mentor Rocco is barely better.
Re: Manuel. I really hope he isn't true. He is my favourite male porn actor. He really seems to love women. I know this story blew up recently due to Ryan Madison. Lots of girls were against him due to his unwanted creampie antics. Markus has his own problems due to lots of girls complaining about him.
Apart from Jenny and Ginger, no other girls have complained about Manuel. Ana Foxxx and Demi Sutra complained about the shooting conditions and the banana issue. Not about his performance or any abuse.
I have message and tweeted many performers asking about Manuel. No one has spilled any tea on him.
The reason Jenny had a seriously bad time is because her expectations were completely misinformed, and it was probably the fault of Evil Angel for that.
When these allegations came out, Ginger Banks would NOT support her saying that Manuel was at fault in any way. If she has said anything different since then, please direct me towards it so I can understand.
Jenny thought she was doing a "softcore" scene because she was told it would be "vanilla". 90% of what she talks about making her upset is the same thing that makes porn studios want to pay male talent - they fuck hard. It wasn't Manuel's job to make her feel comfortable, like it might be in a normal sexual situation. Throughout the entire time she admits she never asked Manuel to stop. She was reacting in a similar way to the other girls that Manuel works with. How is he in the wrong?
I feel bad for Jenny that Evil Angel took advantage of her, but it also saddens me that Manuel has had to hear this for years. He doesn't work with Evil Angel anymore.
I have seen the scene and Ginger actually chokes Jenny as well. So it is not only Manuel. I mean there are other comapnies she could have went to. Like Vivid or Wicked ir Naughty America. Hell even the parody studio.
So what about the slaps on her back and the bite? About the scene I remember they saying on twitter that was supposed to be Johnny Sins and not Manuel in the threesome scene, also here's Jenny posting the conversation about the scene prior to the shoting
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I'm big fan of Manuel too guys but something is wrong...
It's very possible that he was misinformed as well. In that NUY article, she says that there was a possibility that Manuel didn't know this was a vanilla scene.
I really don't think "vanilla" means "gentle" by the standards of pornography. Choking, slapping, and similar physical dominance is part of what Manuel is paid to do on a regular basis, and almost always with performers who are willing to have that kind of sex, in many cases even seeking it out.
So, did Evil Angel tell Manuel "you need to go significantly easier on this performer than you would normally"? If not, I truly feel bad for Manuel as well as for Jenny, because both were put in a situation where they were misled about what was supposed to happen, and both have suffered emotional duress because of that.
Really interested reading details on it. I never was with a shooting and it is difficult to judge if you have no realistc background, experience and do not know this business from an insider view. So, are there no agreements before, clear statements and description what they want to do, to shoot and what the female peformer has to do in her scenes etc. And what is softcore in this context ? Softcore is only faking, no BJ, no penetrations etc. Maybe this poor Jenny did understand something wrong and also was a little bit naive, maybe.
I am seeing that Jenny asked the crew to stop and that Ginger apologized to Jenny. I think we knew the first part before. This is still different than a normal sexual scenario because Manuel is literally an employee in that situation. He is being told (and paid) to give aggressive, dominant sex. It is truly sad for everyone involved that they had to act that out when it wasn't being enjoyed. I encourage anyone to read Jenny's original account and to watch the scene - I did this because I wanted to understand what happened.
Matchmaker we know this statement of Veronica. So there are still 2 different variation of an incident, happening or story to tell, which one is right and wich is wong. The 2 young girls Ginger and Jenny they were just in the wrong place, bad luck finally.
^^Jenny was probably speaking in dialogue for the benefit of the director. Performers are put in a difficult position when preparing for a scene, because if they don't do what the director/producer wants they will get a bad rep and lead to blacklisting. We consumers don't see what goes on on a porn set before and after a scene, there's a whole different vibe. The performers may look happy on camera but sometimes they're the opposite in reality.
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