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It's not really. It's just that your fans are a bit too quick to condemn companies like Vivid that are at least as much, if not more diverse when it comes to casting the talent(that includes the male talent too) for their movies as JSI.
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Hey Croc ^ ^ Have you ever wondered why your attempts at derailing IR threads always end up in failure??
Comparing Vivid, who at least makes some attempts at hiring black performers, against the many many others that don't, is laughable to me. Much more laughable is trying to compare any of them to JSI.
[/quote] I wish I could agree with some of what you said there but I dont. Hustlin is for the street niggas not business professionals and that is part of the problem right there. Now I assume you heard or got word that my lady was not going to do black males which is very true ... however I made the decision to not shut the door on the entire black side of the business but shut the door in regards to the black males she works with. If I do not think you are a clean cut brother, or someone who respects the women, you arent well groomed, or shoot hood themes ... she will not work with you. So believe me the plan is still in effect and going well I might ad. I got her signed with LA Direct because I know he doesnt deal or do business with the lower tier of the industry shooting what I would consider hood material. That is whats dying in the industry because there is no way up from shooting hood material. Look all over the net and anywhere if your shit is ghetto that is where you remain, that is your fan base and those are the same people who do not purchase porn, they download it free yet the ghetto material is still shot and cats talking about keepin it hood or real and not selling out etc, but those same people the hood material is being shot for are the same people not purchasing the hood material. Real talk niggas dont buy porn. I could debate this topic all night with whomever but in the end nothing will change cause for one niggas dont seriously understand business and they only look out for number 1. But here is a little home work for you ... name one major corporation that is successfully ran by 1 person. Let me give you something to think about while you ponder that question ... none ... every major corporation is made up of partners who work together ... commonly referred to as Board Members. They come together the become successful not hate on one anothers ability to do something better. They work together and build an empire. Look at Bang Bros and Reality Kings they have taken over the net and stole it from all the little cats out there hustlin and not using real business sense. [/quote] I commend u Brotha for protecting ur Women and guiding her through the Industry and thats good that u didnt pair her with a lot of Black Men,cause most of the Black Males in the Porn industry dont respect females and have a thuggish gangsta street attitude they try to mix Rap with Porn and refer to thier Co-stars as bitches, they are very unprofessional always smoking Weed on set and complain when White Women dont want to do scenes with them, its good u stood by ur Women cause if u didnt Men like Brian Pumper might of took advantage of her like he did Montana Fishburne, or Mark Anthony might of took advantage of her like he talked that poor Canadian Women Lara Roxx into doing a double Anal Scene with him and Darren James for her first shoot,Black Men like Brian Pumper,Nat Turnher,Rico Strong,Mark Anthony,Wesley Pipes,D-Snoop,and yes Mr Marcus are very unprofessional and are a Cancer to the Adult Entertainment Industry and are the main reason why Black Female Porn Actresses keep getting cast into low grade ghetto Porn, I see the only Black Male that ur Girl shot with is Lexington Steele and for good reason Lex is one of the few mature sophisticated Black Males in Porn to work with him along with L.T,Tee Reel,Prince Yahshua and Tyler Knight, but I also have to ask, I heard u let Alia Star work with Christiaan XXX and thats not good or safe to have ur Women work with Crossovers either.
I don't know but I can't see Sean Michaels mentioned there, when you speak of professionalism he MUST be mentioned in ANY list, he can give and I'm sure he actually does lessons to any talent in porn in any side of both oceans ,no matter the race. Edited by - LCF on 3/6/2014 8:25:47 AM
yes I forgot Sean Michaels is also one of the few professional Black Male performers in the industry,I like how he refuses to perform in ghetto urban porn but I also question some of the things he did back in the 80s he did a Peter North
why Boycott this Thread when its stating the truth about the Porn Industry, Black Female Performers are not respected and are on the Bottom in the Porn Industry and the funny thing about it is that a lot of the White Female Performers that win awards at AVN are not hot or attractive at all thats why they went into the Porn Industry cause they couldnt make it being a Actress or a Model cause they werent Attractive but they knew they would get treated like Goddesses in the Porn Industry by default cause of thier Skin Color.
We have a Mixed President that was Carefully picked and chosen cause of his Mixed Race Heritage to be President just to make it seem like America is not Racist and has come a long way, the same way Skin Diamond who is also mixed was chosen by the Porn Industry to make it seem like the Adult Entertainment Industry is equal and not racist.
^ That's utter crap. If Obama was hand-picked to give an impression that white America isn't racist, why do congressmen, senators and whoever criticise Obama more openly and viciously than Bush? What's your next conspiracy theory? That the 22nd Amendment is going to be rescinded? Skin Diamond is quite successful because she's physically attractive, her own person and dare I say it, she doesn't seem confrontational and in your face.why Boycott this Thread when its stating the truth about the Porn Industry, Black Female Performers are not respected and are on the Bottom in the Porn Industry and the funny thing about it is that a lot of the White Female Performers that win awards at AVN are not hot or attractive at all thats why they went into the Porn Industry cause they couldnt make it being a Actress or a Model cause they werent Attractive but they knew they would get treated like Goddesses in the Porn Industry by default cause of thier Skin Color.
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Inferiority complex much? It's not the case that black women aren't "respected". Perhaps they're under represented as they make up a minority of porn actresses. There's no denying that some porn performers are failed mainstream actresses/models but I hardly think it is "the truth" that a lot of white AVN winners aren't hot. You need to stop confusing opinion with fact if you want to show a modicum of credibility. I almost feel like Spike Lee is masquerading as someone else...
This isn't true , Skin Diamond won a lot of awards this year ,not Performer of the Year though , and she deserved that as much as many others , I know you don't consider Skin as black , but she may change consumer perception of black pornstars ,in fact whether you consider her just mixed or not those buying her movies consider her black , and yes there's a black performer gaining covers , collecting awards getting showcases and enough in demand to be requested for more showcases. A black performer who actually pushes the sales , if you want to sell a movie you put Skin as a front cover , unless you have a starlet more in demand or at least equally in demand , but they are few , even among the top white performers. The actual reason why so few black performers are awarded is because their career are short , many of them quit after a year or two , Skin is active for at least 4 years , plus she can act , she appeared in many featured movies for top companies like Vivid , she was protagonist even (3 Ways) , she's been noticed as a great performer even among the super-pro like in Runaway with Lisa Ann and Phoenix Marie performing in there. There are a lot of black performers who are really beautiful but they aren't working, we may discuss why they shoot so little scenes but the market is ready now , they just need to be marketed more Edited by - LCF on 3/6/2014 3:45:06 PM
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Posted - Mar 6 2014 : 5:23PM
Porn is a consumable. I could live my whole life without seeing another African American in porn. They do nothing for me. Doesn't mean I have anything against them, just don't feel any connection or attraction. I could say the same of BBW porn or GS porn or Fetish Porn. This is a none issue and I see no proof of racism. In fact, the only racism I see is in your post. Why just black females, why not whites, Asians, Latinos? Aren't they good enough to join your protest? Do you HATE them? Edited by - scorpiusdeus on 3/6/2014 5:25:28 PM
Let me Clear up a few things Obama was handpicked because he is considered to be safe and non threatening due to the fact that he is half white, he was raised by his White GrandParents also u say Bush criticizes Obama well in case u didnt know Bush is Obama's distant Cousin so they are related down the line thats why I say he was handpicked. Now going on to Skin Diamond yes she is nice looking but there are Ebony Stars that are better looking than her and put in stronger performances but dont Win AVN Awards cause of the fact that they are Visibly Black and because they arent backed by Mark Spiegler, Mark Spiegler is also a huge reason why Skin Diamond is succeeding like she is, Skin Diamond is no way more attractive than say Bella Moretti, Bella Moretti knocks Skin Diamond out the Box look wise and Misty Stone is a much better performer than Skin Diamond also Heather Hunter was more attractive than Skin Diamond but did she get a AVN Award? no I know for a fact that a lot of White AVN Award Winners arent as hot as everyone hypes them up to be cause I saw a website that showed what they looked like without makeup compared to what Ebony and Latina Performers looked like without makeup and it was a very drastic Difference,for example Jesse Jane who is hyped up as being so beautiful and won a whole bunch of Awards u really need to see what she looks like without all the Makeup cause she looks like a different person, I have seen Misty Stone without makeup and she dont look very different. Edited by - JadaBlaze01 on 3/6/2014 8:08:54 PM
I am not gonna say anything that might come off as offensive but Christiaan XXX is controversial for a lot of females in the Business dont think its safe to perform with him, I have nothing against what he does but not everyone in the Biz thinks it safe to work with Male Performers who flip flop thats all I am gonna say on that
This isn't true , Skin Diamond won a lot of awards this year ,not Performer of the Year though , and she deserved that as much as many others , I know you don't consider Skin as black , but she may change consumer perception of black pornstars ,in fact whether you consider her just mixed or not those buying her movies consider her black , and yes there's a black performer gaining covers , collecting awards getting showcases and enough in demand to be requested for more showcases. A black performer who actually pushes the sales , if you want to sell a movie you put Skin as a front cover , unless you have a starlet more in demand or at least equally in demand , but they are few , even among the top white performers. The actual reason why so few black performers are awarded is because their career are short , many of them quit after a year or two , Skin is active for at least 4 years , plus she can act , she appeared in many featured movies for top companies like Vivid , she was protagonist even (3 Ways) , she's been noticed as a great performer even among the super-pro like in Runaway with Lisa Ann and Phoenix Marie performing in there. There are a lot of black performers who are really beautiful but they aren't working, we may discuss why they shoot so little scenes but the market is ready now , they just need to be marketed more Edited by - LCF on 3/6/2014 3:45:06 PM [/quote] I am sorry but I dont agree with u cause Misty Stone has been in the business longer than Skin Diamond and she is a much more accomplished Actress people consider her to be the Parody Queen or the Halle Berry of Porn but has not Won all the Awards that Skin Diamond has won who came in the Industry later than Misty, could it be the fact that Misty is not Half White? I think that could be a huge reason why, she is a Mocha Colored Ebony Performer that AVN Snubs for that very fact or maybe cause she is not a Spiegler girl like Skin Diamond, who u know in the Industry also has a lot to do with how successful u become and if u win AVN Awards,if ur mixed race ur safe ur just a tad bit less threatning and thats true in a lot of cases not just the Adult Entertainment Industry, The Adult Entertainment Industry is just a Microscoptic view of the Whole Picture. Edited by - JadaBlaze01 on 3/6/2014 8:22:23 PM
Honestly I am just going to cut and paste my warning from the last time I saw this happen in this thread as well. MOD: Seriously, you guys are going to ruin another thread by arguing whether someone is black enough to be called black? Enough. If you don't agree with a person's placement because they don't agree with your "narrow" definition move on to another post. If you insist on continuing to argue whether someone is black enough to be in this thread, the thread will go away. The choice is yours.
That's not what I meant. People criticise Obama much more openly than they did with Bush during the latter's terms as president.Again you're spouting opinion as fact. Why is it so difficult for you to tell the difference between the two.So you can't form your own opinion on him but instead jump on the bandwagon because he's a crossover and others don't approve so you won't either? Why not just cut the bullshit and admit you're a homophobe? Is Christian not subject to the same STD testing or am I missing something? It seems like it's easier for you to assume things about people than it is for you to open your mind. Edited by - JigglyBoobs on 3/7/2014 3:11:18 AM
I don't want to discuss who's blacker or pure , I just meant I acknowledge your views and there's no need to discuss that more than we already did a few times. So said , Misty Stone is one of my favourite performers , mind you not just one of my favourite black performers , one of my overall favourites , she's just amazingly attractive , can act and her legs are infinite. She's a lot more tamed than Skin , Misty doesn't do anals for example and rarely does threesomes and even when she did they were GGB or GGG. So yes she's in porn for many years as is Samantha Ryan or even Dana DeArmond who is one of the greatest ever but didn't win,not to mention Chastity Lynn not even nominated, no excuse here, they're both white and SpieglerGirls Your accusations are unsupported by facts , her race has nothing to do with her lack of awards , although I think she deserves some. As far as I remember there are no Lesbian POTY at AVN no matter how good they are. When I said that you need a longer career to emerge and win I meant you will have more opportunities to be noted , you can't possibly think you'll win in your freshman year in porn and then quit. More than Misty I'd thought you would mention Jada Fire or Marie Luv both a lot more nastier than Misty although not as good as her acting You think because they are mocha colored? I don't know Ana Foxx is much more attractive and beautiful than many white performers out there some of them a lot more famous , but this is my point , if you have such a beauty in porn you should market her , promote her, black performers lack promotion , nobody promote them , Spiegler, being the agent he is, gives his talents the best opportunities he can and this is why they win , also if I'm not mistaken Misty was a Spieglergirl herself (not sure), Leeani Leeanne was for sure and so was Marie Luv as far as I can remember.
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Funny thread, this. All I see, is typical female jealousy amongst girls, specially with the same skin color. I actually see a lot of similarities between these black female performers trying to put Skin Diamond down....with quiet a few white female performers trying to discredit and put down Tori Black when she was ruling the industry and won AVN POTY back to back. Girls like Kristina Rose were repeatedly going after her, and finding one excuse after another to prove that she isn't as great as people make her out to be. Same seems to be the case with Skin Diamond, with all the love and success that she gets, other girls get jealous because of it. To say Skin isn't black enough, is retarded. That's like saying Beyonce isn't black because she isn't as dark and has "Indian-like" features, because Skin shares a lot of similarities with Beyonce in her looks, just because she isn't cut from the same mold as others. Skin's skin color is just like Beyonce, so is she not considered black either? As for whether Skin is mixed or not, well, I got news for you that even the blackest black people don't know for sure if somewhere down the line in their family tree there was I.R. action. Specially during the Slavery times, first in Africa and then in Western Countries, there was a ton of forced and consensual sex amongst races and no one knows who did what so that point is irreverent. It isn't written in Stone, at the temple of Giza that a black female can never have sharp features, with thin chiseled nose and thin lips and jawline. The fact that a lot of the female black performers can't admit and accept is, that Skin Diamond is indeed prettier and hotter then any other black performer at the moment. That's a fact MOST people agree on, and that's what reflects in her sells. It doesn't have anything to do with just how dark her shade of black is. She is just hotter, period. Now the fact that she's an incredible performer, interms of fucking AND acting is a big bonus and that's what keeps her and has kept her in demand for so long. Now those are facts, supported by evidence interms of sells, and popularity amongst the masses.
So you can't form your own opinion on him but instead jump on the bandwagon because he's a crossover and others don't approve so you won't either? Why not just cut the bullshit and admit you're a homophobe? Is Christian not subject to the same STD testing or am I missing something? It seems like it's easier for you to assume things about people than it is for you to open your mind. Edited by - JigglyBoobs on 3/7/2014 3:11:18 AM [/quote] Yes these are my own opinions i am not jumping on any bandwagon I can understand why some females in the Adult Entertainment Industry may have a issue or feel uncomfortable working with male performers who crossover, I myself dont feel comfortable dating or sleeping with Men who go both ways but I have no issue forming nonsexual friendships with them so dont be soo fast to accuse somone of being a Homophobe,people are soo fast to call somone a homophobe just for the slightest disagreement Edited by - JadaBlaze01 on 3/7/2014 3:16:46 PM
I am not a performer and neither are half the people on these forums are performers i am fan and a consumer and we are just as important cause we help fuel the economy of the Industry so our views and how we feel should be taking into consideration and I follow pornstars on Twitter and they follow me so I communicate with them
^ I said that because someone here stated that those questioning Skin are jealous performers , you ain't. Your last comment though makes believe you're talking on behalf of someone else who won't appear , so maybe he saw this right. EDIT to add I won't comment this matter any further , as I pointed out before we've been invited TWICE to let go. shall we? Edited by - LCF on 3/7/2014 3:56:04 PM
Slightest disagreement? The slightest disagreement would be two people arguing about whether a pornstar is hotter with red nail polish or pink nail polish. Look in the mirror for crying out loud. Because some black women haven't won awards, you are soo fast to accuse the industry of racism instead of considering that it might be incidental or down to a lack of promotion and that with black women in porn being in a very small minority, the statistics are against them. Not wishing to dismiss this but so what if somebody doesn't win an award? Don't pornstars do the job because they like sex and money, not because they like awards? Do you feel awards are the only way of acknowledging somebody's achievements? If you want to convince me otherwise about your views towards bisexual men, please explain why you're not comfortable about men who go both ways. Your statement sounds like the same one somebody says when they won't date or have sex with somebody of a different race but they're not racist because they have a platonic friend of a different race. Racist and homophobic views/resentment/fears don't suddenly come to a halt by having a friend from either category.
Look in the mirror for crying out loud. Because some black women haven't won awards, you are soo fast to accuse the industry of racism instead of considering that it might be incidental or down to a lack of promotion and that with black women in porn being in a very small minority, the statistics are against them. Not wishing to dismiss this but so what if somebody doesn't win an award? Don't pornstars do the job because they like sex and money, not because they like awards? Do you feel awards are the only way of acknowledging somebody's achievements? If you want to convince me otherwise about your views towards bisexual men, please explain why you're not comfortable about men who go both ways. Your statement sounds like the same one somebody says when they won't date or have sex with somebody of a different race but they're not racist because they have a platonic friend of a different race. Racist and homophobic views/resentment/fears don't suddenly come to a halt by having a friend from either category. [/quote] Well lets see Black Women in Porn are not and I repeat NOT a minority if anything Asian Males are a small Minority in the Industry so the statistics are against them winning any AVN Award but there are far too many prominent Black Female Performers that have gotten snubbed by the AVN which is one of the reasons why Urban X Awards had to be created cause of the racism in the Adult Entertainment Industry against Black Females and particular the AVN, and yes Pornstars do thier Job cause they like Sex and Money the same way actresses/Actors Act because they like to Act and Musicians play Music cause they like to create Music and there are respective Awards to Award them on thier talent and to show they are appreciated in thier occupations the same way The AVN is considered to be the Oscars of the Adult Entertainment Industry Actors like to be Awarded Oscars,Musicians like to be Awarded Grammy's and Porn Actors like to be awarded with a AVN for thier hard work and merit and to Award it to a particular Race of Females and to overlook Women of Color particular Black Females is racist. Now on to Male Crossover Performers I said I wasnt comfortable or safe in my personal life to have sexual relations with Men who go both ways so I can understand why some Female Performers may not want to do scenes with Crossover Male Performers its a matter of what a Women feels comfortable with because lets not be naive the HIV infection rate is far more risky in the Male-Male Porn side than the Hetereosexual Porn side and even in real life HIV is more prominent among Gay Males and I am not making this up and it has nothing to do with Homophobia, I see the route u are taking u are doing the same thing that GLAAD does u are trying to pull this Gay is the new Black thing and trying to intertwine racism and Homophobia and ur wrong cause racism and Homophobia are 2 different issues and struggles, People cant help what Skin color they were Born with but a person wanting to have sexual relations with the same sex is optional and a choice made by that individual only, so racism is far more potent and deep than Homophobia, I dont like how some people in the LGBT Community are soo fast to accuse people of Homophobia its like u cant say anything on the lines of Hetereosexuality or if a person may disagree on a certain lifestyle ur a Homophobe. Edited by - JadaBlaze01 on 3/7/2014 10:29:37 PM Edited by - JadaBlaze01 on 3/7/2014 10:30:19 PM Edited by - JadaBlaze01 on 3/7/2014 10:32:54 PM Edited by - JadaBlaze01 on 3/7/2014 10:34:22 PM Edited by - JadaBlaze01 on 3/8/2014 9:03:00 AM Edited by - JadaBlaze01 on 3/8/2014 9:04:04 AM
LOL always somone claiming Jealousy no one in the Industry is jealous of Skin if anything most Ebony Performers give her Credit and applaud her she is a good Performer and she is attractive she is just one of Many...( well let me say Ebony cause thats what she is marketed as) Perfomers and no one takes that away from her but its other reasons why she is being pushed like she is and its politics behind it one reason I already stated and the other is cause of the connections she has who u know can make a difference on how ur Career goes and yes she is more hotter to u cause she has agreeable features and background that appeal to the Majority of People who consume Porn and the People who run the Industry but I have seen Skin Diamond and loads of other Females Performers without Makeup and made comparisons so I see who really is beautiful and dont need that much Makeup or Femenine enchancement as oppose to who does, and why everytime somone mentions mixed People Beyonce gets thrown in the conversation somehow when Beyounce is a Black Female born to 2 Black Parents, Black Women and all races of Women adore Beyounce and have nothing but love for her so I dont know why u brought her up, and lastly u mention Tori Black u said Kristina Rose couldnt understand why Tori Black was getting so many Awards well I can understand where Kristina Rose is coming from giving the fact that she is a Curvy Part Latina Female Performer who the AVN might have snubbed cause of her ethnic curvy Body Figure and Tori Black who is average attractive but has the extremly thin frail Body structure that is considered to be the standard Beauty in the Industry if u want to make it to the top, I can pretty much understand where Kristina Rose is coming from but it doesnt mean she was envious or Jealous of Tori Black. Edited by - JadaBlaze01 on 3/7/2014 11:05:15 PM Edited by - JadaBlaze01 on 3/7/2014 11:06:16 PM
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Wow, gotta love conspiracy theorists lol. Btw, you totally missed the point I made about Beyonce. I used her name for that exact reason, that she's 100% black born to two black parents...and yet, Beyonce's skin tone and Skin Diamond is almost identical...as are sharper, indian-like features. Reading your posts though, I highly doubt you are just some average fan as you hold way to much resentment and grudges and believe in crazy conspiracy theories to maybe hide your own shortcomings whether you yourself were a black peformer using an Alias...or you are friends/family with someone who was.
This is why black or any minority performers should have have there own awards show. "Minority" is the key word here. Because blacks, Asians, Latinos, etc...are so much fewer in numbers they'll never get the kind of attention at awards shows that some people feel they deserve. That's not to say they aren't doing good work but because of their fewer numbers it's impossible that more than a few of them will be recognized in the overall big pool of talent that is mostly dominated by the larger number of white performers. Porn, music, acting, etc...all have these types of award presentations for specific minorities so I think people are able to get their due. I don't think the Academy Awards or even the AVNs should specifically cater to minorities to make it more fair because it ruins the integrity of the award. Even though I already think the AVNs aren't completely based on merit it would mean even less if they tried to be "fair" based on skin color. Quite frankly I think the AVNs mostly get it about right based on the number of black female performers who actually get to appear in the kind higher end porn movies that tend to get nominated. There's only a handful of black girls who regularly in those movies. I tend to think the best of the bunch of black performers stand out and have their shot to move up to better productions. It's not always based on performance though. Looks play a very big part in how far a black performer will get and certain looks/types will always fair better than others.
No Skin Diamond and Beyounce are not the same Complexion, Beyonce has a Caramel Skin tone to be honest her skin tone is not that much different from her Husband Jay Z but nice try, and I was never a Performer.
^ I may agree but ,this way the minority will stay in his ghetto ,also it could lead to absurdities , Latino , Jews and "Caucasians" (for lack of a better word , I refuse to use Aryan, even though technically I'm an Aryan myself) are all whites , soon this will be challenged. For example why three ethnicities have to share one award while others who are a lot few have theirs? And then why Whites have three awards and we only one? The industry and all other performers should have exploited the door Heather Hunter opened , a black contract star was unheard of , consumers didn't have any problem with this she was drop dead gorgeous , that was the moment to overcome races in porn. Skin diamond is getting awards by herself , this is a new door , people not only buy her movies , demands her. There's another good black performer I like a lot it's Ivy Sherwood , I believe many in this thread never even heard of her. With Lily Cade and Misty Stone From Booty Talk A naught America scene Same scene , passionate and again the perfection of her body is shown With Misty Stone on a cover So the actual question is why aren't we literally flooded with scenes of such incredible girl?
Repeating yourself doesn't make it so. Black women are a minority in the porn that gets AVN exposure compared to white women. If you wish to split hairs on the smallest minority, go ahead if makes you feel better.Where did I say racism and homophobia are the same thing? I wasn't comparing which is worse but yet again, you're going off on a tangent saying one is worse than another like the crap you were talking about with somebody being "less" black than another and thus less likely to suffer prejudice. Sexuality is not a choice and it's surprising that you have the brass neck to accuse me of being naive when you yourself are the one showing their naivety. I don't choose to like women, I simply like women. I don't choose not to be attracted to men, I simply am not attracted to men. Sure, you can choose to deny your feelings about who you like but that's not the same thing is it? Sex and sexual orientation aren't the same thing. You'll find there are plenty of women who have no problem having sex with with other women but they wouldn't have a relationship with another woman because their orientation points them towards men.
^ You guys realize that this would acknowledge that blacks are not in the same league as whites? do you? You also realize that if a star wins a best black performers it is very unlikely she would win the Female POTY ? Such thing would prevent her from winning the real Prize. Would you separate races at the Academy Awards? Would you do the same at the Olympic Games? I got a hunch you won't. I already said that plenty of times I wouldn't like black performer to win a "black" award and then be snubbed and ignored for the real ones because : you already won as best what else do you want more? This would allow the racists to really ignore blacks giving them their bone and leave them under the table. The actual meal is that UPON the table , it's the actual Prize the Female POTY (or male POTY). I wouldn't give to the racists any mean , any weapon to continue to ignore black performers (BTW did Sean Michaels ever win a male POTY? He still is way better than many of any race.) Out there there's a performer who is hotter than most whites, who is nastier than most whites, who acts better than most whites , who pushes the sales more than most whites . They just cannot ignore her any longer.Unless of course you allow them to give her a bone with all the other blacks fighting to get such minor bone. Maybe there's something I can't get , but if you see all this unlikely or absurd , let me understand ,why? Edited by - LCF on 3/8/2014 11:34:52 AM
^ OK here's the deal. The spirit behind it is this: "AVN clearly ignores black people. So fuck 'em. We'll have our own awards." To claim that that this would somehow marginalize black performers would be to assume that we're not already marginalized as a people - both in porn and outside of it. This is an inaccurate assumption. Even the very concept of beauty is largely dictated by the 'white ideal'. So then to have people come along and say "well there aren't that many hot black girls" is really saying "well there aren't that many black girls who look white". These things are not absolute of course, and there are black women who are recognized as being beautiful by white people, yes I know... but the deck is always stacked against us. The Urban X Awards (or some similar idea) is a way of recognizing who the top performers are without the deck being stacked. Should we have to have an Urban X Awards? In an ideal world, no. But this is not an ideal world. So we can either complain each year at AVN when no black girls win and be sad, or we can have our own awards and be happy.
^ I see your points perfectly and I agree with the very meaning of them , it's justice , they mean to do justice and there shouldn't be an Urban X award. I was talking about power the AVN award is power , those in control have the power to push an actress or destroy her , to force them to acknowledge black performers and to force them to award those who deserve the award means to get some of that power , the only way to get justice is to challenge those in power and force them to share it or to give up some. This is why I insist on having a black as POTY at AVN. Also as you say the very standard for beauty is set by whites , again the only way to overcome such standards is to put blacks among whites , to make them visible , what some may find too exotic to be attractive will become usual and when it's usual you will find attractive traits in them This already happened in Hollywood the more blacks appeared in mainstream movies the more people get used to see them , the roles changed perspective , no man in his sane mind would ever consider Denzel Washington a thug , no man wouldn't acknowledge he's an attractive man , yet he has all the African traits , meaty lips, big nose , pronounced chin. Does he look "white"? Does Morgan Freeman look "white"? Does Samuel Jackson? They're (or were) all seen at least as handsome by most white women , even white men can see it. Do you think this could have been possible in the sixties or seventies? Women in history have been curvy , thin , curvy again , Beauty Standards aren't carved in stone. There's a piece of power with the POTY , and some black have to grab it. EDIT to add , this is the very reason why I'm often found arguing about Skin , she is the one who can step up on there , for herself and on behalf of all the other blacks who may win , and that is why I really cannot understand why there's people trying to prevent her or to cast her out from "the black race" it's a blind view. How they can't possibly see that. If they succeed even if Skin wins the award it would mean nothing but a name in the list of winners , nothing more. It's blind , she's proof that a great deal of white consumers are beginning to buy movies with blacks starring in it , this is different than Heather Hunter , Skin pushes the sales of anything she performs in ,she's proof that blacks are as good as whites and even better.There aren't many black performers in her position , nor they weren't in the past. She's the main weapon to get that award with universal agreement too. There's a war , first thing is to win , discussions later.
To have an Urban X awards would not preclude any performer from being able to win an AVN award. Look at the ones for instance that take away XRCO and AVN awards. Assuming it was done right, it would bring more notice to performers that aren't getting AVN awards and bring attention to producers to winning performers as well. Forcing AVN to give POTY to a black performer seems wrong because that automatically precludes any white performer to the spot.
^ I didn't mean "forcing" in a bad way , I meant AVN is not reserved to white or non black only (Asa Akira isn't white) also as I said those not interested in black girls/boys wouldn't pay any attention to the Urban X , but would notice blacks in the AVN award.
If you are suggesting making a black performer of the year category for AVN I think that would be a huge mistake. Because then you will end up with things such as white performer of the year award and actual performer of the year might fade away or get taken out. IE why single out a black performer if a white performer isn't singled out, an Asian performer isn't singled out, etc.
^ No quite the contrary , it has been proposed to do so to cover the void AVN leaves by not awarding black performers, but I said it isn't the better thing to do for the very same reason you said. I said that if there's a black who deserves a POTY she should get it , AVN is noticing Skin slowly but they do and to create a dedicated award for blacks would be a mistake.
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