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fu_q  All-Star Member Marv Montag (@PornOfYore) 2506 Posts 2/09 |  Posted - Jul 17 2009 : 9:46AM[Link] |
| Clam Digger Deactivated User Many a man fails as an original thinker simply because his memory is too good. 2268 Posts 1/05 | Posted - Jul 17 2009 : 11:10AM [Link] |
| cholmes58 Member 75 Posts 7/09 | Posted - Jul 19 2009 : 12:53AM Stormy Daniels, at least I can say you have on a few of your movie ignored the moratorium on using black porn actresses in features with white actresses -- two you wrote and directed ("3 Wishes" and "Gossip") and you also performed in Brad Armstrong's "Last Night." However they were with the same actress -- Jada Fire. This is no knock on Jada, but there are others to choose from that outside of the usual cast of two (Jada Fire and Maria Luv). black actresses who can fuck and hold their own in carrying on dialogue. Might I recommend Sydnee Capri, Jazmine Cashmire, Vivica Coxx, Nyomi Banxxx, Roxy Reynolds, Mona Devine. They would work in your film well, I am sure. [Link] |
| Clam Digger Deactivated User Many a man fails as an original thinker simply because his memory is too good. 2268 Posts 1/05 | Posted - Jul 19 2009 : 1:42AM [Link] |
| cholmes58 Member 75 Posts 7/09 | Posted - Jul 19 2009 : 1:58AM [Link] |
| ntfighter Member 645 Posts 7/07 | Posted - Jul 19 2009 : 3:28PM What is really disturbing is that its condoned by the fans. Pastor Martin Niemöller (1892–1984) : "they came first for the Communists, And I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Communist; And then they came for the trade unionists, And I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a trade unionist; etc, etc. Interesting side note re: the above poem: I will have to find these. In 2003, American punk rock band NOFX paraphrased the poem in the song "Re-gaining Unconsciousness" on the album War on Errorism. In 1965, Jazz musician Charles Mingus paraphrased this poem in his composition "Don't Let it Happen Here" Edited by - ntfighter on 7/19/2009 3:32:59 PM [Link] |
| cholmes58 Member 75 Posts 7/09 | Posted - Jul 19 2009 : 7:05PM In the town that I live I got so fed up with the general fare movies that offered at the local multi-plex, I berated the manager of the theater one night, accusing his multi-plex companies of making the movie-goers in the two stupid. Instead of providing some of the outstanding independent and foreign films that are out there, the company consistently choose to opt for the safer bets, movies that mostly will not get much consideration for major awards because they largely mediocre. Of course he just looked at me with a mixture of empathy and helplessness and said his hand were tie to provide only what the company authorized for screening. The porn industry is largely guilty on two counts: There is far too little intelligent porn and the industry would have us believe that white and black porn actress are not meant to perform together. And the porn consumers settle for that inadequate spoon-feeding of porn. [Link] |
| Killergram Senior Member Anjali Kara - THE LADY BOSS/OWNER OF KILLERGRAM. 3343 Posts 4/08 | Posted - Jul 19 2009 : 8:12PM I would love to find more black women to do porn. I have found around 30 new models and only two were black - One of them quit after just one shoot and the other went on to make a name for herself in the UK industry. We would love to work with more black models - but I just can not find any! xxx www.killergram.com - BRAND NEW PIC'S POSTED! [ invalid url ] [Link] |
| ntfighter Member 645 Posts 7/07 | Posted - Jul 19 2009 : 8:44PM What could be the expected result if black porn actresses were given parity and appeared regularly in scenes with white actresses in more of the feature movies? I'd assume that consumers who have a bias against black women won't purchase them, balanced by consumer who don't see a problem who will purchase. The porn industry either believes that their customers are worse people than they actually are, or they, the porn industry are worse people than consumers have been willing to admit I have been encouraged by L.T., C.J. Wright and Justin Slayer. Slayer has produced a plot driven film, the title escapes me for the moment, and I've heard from unreliable sources that a sequel in in the works. Neither films much "male jerking to finish in their movies and the women are not being beat on, each of these place them in a different category from most major producers. I guess separate but equal is inevitable. [Link] |
| A-ten Deactivated User 581 Posts 8/07 | Posted - Jul 19 2009 : 9:37PM Guys like Michael Stefano and Manuel use alot of black girls. They both seem to like variety in their sexual partners and that includes ethnicity though Stefano is known to have a strong liking for black women. But it's true the majority of porn producers don't use black women as much. It's gotten a little better now that there are more freaky black women out there willing to do anal and dp, but it white women will most likely always be more employed than black women in America. It's a majority white country. Even Latin and Asian women don't get employed as much as white women unless they themselves look white. And white women take up the majority of box covers and contracts in the industry with a little mix in here and there. Porn reflects America. And the majority of the porn buying public is white males and they want white women. Not much you do in an industry strongly driven by appearance. Some companies do cover ethnic niches. They usually have a lion's share of the market. It's been getting better in recent years. Alot of girls like Marie Luv and Jada Fire get in plenty of gonzo and features with top directors. They're usually paired up with white guys. [Link] |
| Clam Digger Deactivated User Many a man fails as an original thinker simply because his memory is too good. 2268 Posts 1/05 | Posted - Jul 19 2009 : 11:49PM |
| Rosco Fuji Deactivated User On the licking stick, Mr. Magic Dick! 3309 Posts 2/09 | Posted - Jul 20 2009 : 12:41AM [Link] |
| doggmann Member USA 46 Posts 6/04 | Posted - Jul 20 2009 : 1:56PM [Link] |
| mistamann22 Member 23 Posts 6/09 | Posted - Jul 20 2009 : 3:55PM ...I just don't understand why there is so little content featuring black females coming out in the US recently. It seems like supply is higher from scouting around the agency websites but demand seems to be down or maybe producers aren't prepared to take the 'risk' in casting black girls in these troubled economic times..a real shame... [Link] |
| ntfighter Member 645 Posts 7/07 | Posted - Jul 20 2009 : 7:08PM |
| Clam Digger Deactivated User Many a man fails as an original thinker simply because his memory is too good. 2268 Posts 1/05 | Posted - Jul 20 2009 : 7:22PM [Link] |
| Killergram Senior Member Anjali Kara - THE LADY BOSS/OWNER OF KILLERGRAM. 3343 Posts 4/08 | Posted - Jul 20 2009 : 9:46PM |
| mistamann22 Member 23 Posts 6/09 | Posted - Jul 21 2009 : 2:15AM [Link] |
| Killergram Senior Member Anjali Kara - THE LADY BOSS/OWNER OF KILLERGRAM. 3343 Posts 4/08 | Posted - Jul 21 2009 : 6:09AM I have always been told by DiSanto to find as many ethnic models as I can. Killergram is built around Anjali Kara - we are an ethnic porn company. It's very important to us. xxx www.killergram.com - BRAND NEW PIC'S POSTED! [ invalid url ] [Link] |
| BlackSix All-Star Member pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07 | Posted - Jul 21 2009 : 3:53PM [Link] |
| JohnW Senior Member 1351 Posts 6/08 | Posted - Jul 21 2009 : 4:50PM [Link] |
| Rosco Fuji Deactivated User On the licking stick, Mr. Magic Dick! 3309 Posts 2/09 | Posted - Jul 21 2009 : 9:26PM [Link] |
| BlackSix All-Star Member pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07 | Posted - Jul 22 2009 : 6:04PM I've hardly been pushing that black actresses should work in white porn, I was just disagreeing with your moronic (yes, moronic) claim that there are/were no attractive black women in porn. Edited by - BlackSix on 7/22/2009 6:11:04 PM [Link] |
| BlackSix All-Star Member pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07 | Posted - Jul 22 2009 : 6:08PM Happy now? Continue to troll on...  Edited by - BlackSix on 7/22/2009 6:11:55 PM [Link] |
| ntfighter Member 645 Posts 7/07 | Posted - Jul 22 2009 : 10:46PM |
| cholmes58 Member 75 Posts 7/09 | Posted - Jul 23 2009 : 12:21AM In doing so, it has occurred to me that it may be a good thing to reiterate my rational for the topic in the first place (while Marie Luv is currently screwing the brains out of some guy on my DVD player....love the way that woman moans!!): I originally brought up the issue of black porn actresses' being largely disenfranchised when it comes to casting them with white actresses in features. I wasn't really wasn't referring to black porn actresses with white porn actors; pornsex between black females and white males are pretty prevalent. Someone who is an insider can feel free to correct my educated speculation here, but it is my belief that the better paying sex gigs are in the plotted features that are produced by the bigger companies like Wicked, not the gonzo porn flicks. Outside of Jada Fire and Marie Luv, the vast majority of black porn actresses are effective shut out of features with white actresses, and thereby denying them the opportunity of better paying gigs. I posed this topic in the hopes of getting some insights from some porn insiders as to why this is the state of affairs where black actresses are concerned. I am perplexed by this because there are a number of black porn actresses who are every bit as qualified in terms of both the their physical looks, sexual athleticism and their ability to credibly give an acting portrayal (i.e., convincingly handle dialogue). The conversation that has flowed with this topic has indeed confirmed for me that -- Rosco notwithstanding -- there is not a prevalent adversion among consumers to having black and white female actresses perform together in feature films. Moreover, there are some during this conversation who have expressed a desire to see such diversity in porn features. So why is this happening? Is it the white directors and producers who have the adversion to such diversity. Is it the preference of white actresses that the cast they are a part of remain all white or white with fair-skinned hispanic or Oriental? What ever the reason(s), it does not appear to be consumer driven. Porn insiders, please weigh in on this. Give us the benefit of your insider perspective. [Link] |
| TobeyTim Member 136 Posts 3/06 | Posted - Jul 23 2009 : 7:26PM [Link] |
| Clam Digger Deactivated User Many a man fails as an original thinker simply because his memory is too good. 2268 Posts 1/05 | Posted - Jul 23 2009 : 11:24PM Most porn is produced in an assembly line fashion, mindlessly. Which is why most of it sucks. [Link] |
| Rosco Fuji Deactivated User On the licking stick, Mr. Magic Dick! 3309 Posts 2/09 | Posted - Jul 24 2009 : 3:50PM As I mentioned and was encouraged to do in this thread, I've decided to review a few all black features just so I could see for myself the quality of women in porn beyond the Jada, Marie, Vanessa Blue names. I deliberately didn't pick anything with the words; PHAT, AZZ, GHETTO, HO, and BOOTY in the title just so I could be as unbiased as possible. I picked Black Ice's Chicken Heads #2, and Double Dipped Chocolate Honies #4. While I haven't written my reviews yet, I did watch them both last night. I'll be honest, the pickings were fairly slim. Between the 2 disks, there were a total of 18 girls. Of those 18, there were maybe 3-4 who would even be considered to be a "possible" draw on a feature. Possible names are Roxy Reyonds, Morning Star, Lisa Strokes, Melrose Foxxx, and Nyomi Banxxx. Might be one or two more that would be worthy of a second look, but they were all eliminated for reasons that I mentioned in previous posts. [Link] |
| The DMan Senior Member 1844 Posts 6/07 | Posted - Jul 24 2009 : 6:24PM [Link] |
| cholmes58 Member 75 Posts 7/09 | Posted - Jul 25 2009 : 2:42AM Subjectivity aside, while beauty and attractiveness are certain a large part of how people evaluate porn actresses, in starting this topic, I was also factoring in acting ability (able to carry dialogue credibly)as well as sexual prowess. And it is considering all of those characteristics that have led me to conclude that there are too many black porn actress that would not only perform well (sexually and acting-wise) in features who are not getting much opportunity to do so from white directors and producers. My list of beauties who would also let their acting ability shine in a feature film.(I won't mention, Jada Fire, Vanessa Blue, Maria Luv, Monique,Kapri Styles or Naomi Banxxx as they already belong to the rare minority that have scored roles in the features of white directors/producers). Candice Nichole Misty Stone Roxy Reynolds America* Melrose Foxxx* Lacey DuValle Pinky Vivica Coxxx Mone Divine Jazmine Cashmire* Candice Von Sydnee Capri Olivia Winters* Sinnamon Love* Vida Valentine That list is by no means exhaustive, but is representative of some of the worthy black porn actresses. Many of the above have distinguished themselves in black features (denoted by the *asterisk) You might also note that I did not list some fine women, albeit mixed to the point of almost being able to pass for white, such as Alexis Silver, Alana Love (both of whom have already proven their ability actresses in features) or Victoria Allure (who is fine but I would not count her as someone who could act well in a feature). If one challenges any over abovementioned porn actresses on the count of beauty, well, as I stated in the beginning, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I think they are all fine. Edited by - cholmes58 on 7/25/2009 3:08:03 AM [Link] |
| BlackSix All-Star Member pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07 | Posted - Jul 25 2009 : 2:46AM [Link] |
| Killergram Senior Member Anjali Kara - THE LADY BOSS/OWNER OF KILLERGRAM. 3343 Posts 4/08 | Posted - Jul 25 2009 : 7:16AM xxx www.killergram.com - BRAND NEW PIC'S POSTED! [ invalid url ] [Link] |
| Ronald Deactivated User 544 Posts 5/05 | Posted - Jul 25 2009 : 10:40AM [Link] |
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| lenub New Member 3 Posts 6/09 | Posted - Jul 25 2009 : 3:47PM Then there's marketing and what being marketed as most beautiful, which is whatever that's White. Hollywood, the fashion industry, etc. is the dominant force in marketing what considered to be beautiful and desired. Most of the main campaign, movies, TV, etc. shows White people as the central characters. This gets ingrained into the mind of people of all races. As an Asian male, I used to think that Asian women were the most beautiful and used to search for porn movies with Asians (it would make sense that most White male would search for blondes). But this was 20 years ago. After being in the USA for over 30 years, I now find White woman in porn much more attractive and don't really care to see Asians in porn at all (although I date mostly Asians). And I'm pretty turned off by Black women in porn. In real life however, I would have no problem having a relationship with a Black woman. But porn is for pure fantasy and the makers of it works with what sells the most. [Link] |
| Hardware All-Star Member Your other left 14595 Posts 3/02 | Posted - Jul 25 2009 : 4:10PM [Link] |
| Rosco Fuji Deactivated User On the licking stick, Mr. Magic Dick! 3309 Posts 2/09 | Posted - Jul 25 2009 : 4:20PM |
| TobeyTim Member 136 Posts 3/06 | Posted - Jul 25 2009 : 8:09PM And Ronald, FYI, Lando Calrissian is awesome in Star Wars. The chemistry between him and Han Solo is great and Billy Dee Williams is one of the suavest guys in movie history. People have different tastes. That is good. Very good. But the fact of the matter is that black women in the porn industry is stripped from the God given rights to be treated as equals. The don't receive the same opportunities as white women to shine. This is a problem. [Link] |
| Ronald Deactivated User 544 Posts 5/05 | Posted - Jul 25 2009 : 10:01PM No, it is not a problem, its just life, I'm sure Anna Kournikova and Maria Sharapova make more money frpm modeling and endorsements than the Williams even though the Williams are superior athletes, with your statement we get to the point of your posting, you wish to claim that black women have fewer porn opportunities than white one and this needs to change. I say you are wrong, noone has the right to dictate what we find attractive. Truth be told, black women are fast froward or skip scenes for me and if there are too many scenes I dont buy. I suspect in the porn market that black women are mostly watched by by some black men and white "fetishists" I bet most black men want to watch white women, believe me if the demand was there we'd see more black women, so if there isnt the demand, thats life, I mean what next more asians in the NFL, affirmative action for them, Less Indians at spelling bees, the only way I'd agree with you is if there were a huge demand for black woman porn and whites were painting themselves black to deny black women jobs, by the way Lando was made black due to claims the Star Wars universe was racist, I think he looked silly in the Solo outfit at the end of Empire, I wonder who Lucas would have cast if affirmative acting wasnt an issue, what if your favorite characters were made white? a white Apone in Aliens wouldnt work, neither would a white Uhura etc etc, my advice stop whinging if you want more black women in porn, buy more back women porn or make it yourself [Link] |
| TobeyTim Member 136 Posts 3/06 | Posted - Jul 26 2009 : 12:14AM Venus Williams doesn't get a lot of endorsment deals, but Serena gets a lot of endorsment deals. And that is not a point you made. It's just stupid. Anna Kournikova is more attractive then Serena Williams. That's why she would get more modelling gigs, you stupid idiot. If Beyonce or Rihanna played tennis, I'm VERY sure they would get more endorsment and modelling gigs han Anna Kournikova. What's next, Tiger Woods is not popolar? He MADE golf popular. Black people didn't get to play basketball. When they did, they took it over. Black people didn't get to box. When they did, they took that over too. Detect a pattern here? You suspect and bet a lot. It makes you come off as stupid. Which you probably aren't. You're just ignorant. That's an ugly word, though. And it probably just hurt your feelings a bit. Or made you a little angry, at least. Spare me the clever retort. Only black men and white "fetishist" watch black women? People like you disgust me. These aren't the 80's. Or 90's for that matter. Black women are in a fast way becoming the new blonde. You just don't see it. You're too hopped up on the past. Do you think women like Beyonce, Rihanna, Gabrielle Union and Halle Berry are anomalies? They are some of many beautiful black women that men of all races dream they can have sex with all over the planet. Many of those are in porn. People like you just won't listen. I think Lando looked cool, regardless of affirmetive action or not. You didn't. Big deal. [Link] |
| BlackSix All-Star Member pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07 | Posted - Jul 26 2009 : 4:51AM [Link] |
| Ronald Deactivated User 544 Posts 5/05 | Posted - Jul 26 2009 : 9:48AM [Link] |
| Ronald Deactivated User 544 Posts 5/05 | Posted - Jul 26 2009 : 9:50AM [Link] |
| cholmes58 Member 75 Posts 7/09 | Posted - Jul 26 2009 : 9:59AM [Link] |
| Rosco Fuji Deactivated User On the licking stick, Mr. Magic Dick! 3309 Posts 2/09 | Posted - Jul 26 2009 : 2:44PM [Link] |
| cholmes58 Member 75 Posts 7/09 | Posted - Jul 27 2009 : 1:07AM [Link] |
| BlackSix All-Star Member pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07 | Posted - Jul 27 2009 : 1:58AM
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| BlackSix All-Star Member pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07 | Posted - Jul 27 2009 : 1:59AM [Link] |
| charbbw Member 11 Posts 1/09 | Posted - Jul 27 2009 : 8:43PM You say black women not embraced by white porn makers, but what about black porn makers are they any about? CharDonnay xx [Link] |
| TobeyTim Member 136 Posts 3/06 | Posted - Jul 27 2009 : 11:32PM Blondes are popular for the same reason sigarettes were popular back in the 50's. Propaganda. They claimed smoking was good for you. People bought it. They didn't make Thank You For Smoking back then! Black women have never been spoonfed to the audience like blonde women have. You see something again and again and it's explained to you in subliminal details that this is the picture of beauty, then that is what you get. Nothing wrong in that. I'd just like black women to get that shot! You just called black women in it's entirety a subcompact Ford Focus. One the other hand white women have "an evolutionary advantage" and should be pictured as a sportscar ala Porsche. White women are cute little kittens that everone loves. What are black women then? Ugly stray dogs with rabies lucky if anyone takes them in? You're the one with the agenda, buddy. You're also disgusting for even thinking the way you do. You will probably never see yourself for who you really are. Who cares? Evolution is moving fast these days. Before you know it blondes will be something in the historybooks. Most people will be mixed and people won't see color anymore. That would be hell on earth for you, wouldn't it? [Link] |
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