I don't exactly disagree with you but you might want to mention that she started the attempted murder by attacking him with a knife.
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Posted - Aug 20 2014 : 8:18AM
Speak for yourself. I know some battered women (there's a shelter in my neighborhood); my daughter and I have volunteered there. And: 1. Not all men who catch their woman with another man attack them. Don't generalize men. 2. He walked into her home the middle of the night unannounced. 3. What she was doing was none of his damn business. They were separated, so she had every right to be with whom she wanted. Edited by - rtj2v0a on 8/20/2014 8:19:03 AM
I'm not generalizing , I said how many people see that , I'm not one of them , if you read my previous posts you will notice I completely agree with you on the subject There's a reason why these guys too often escape justice , even here there's people saying she cheated on him (he said so BTW) thus implying some kind of provocation at least over a man she knew was dangerous. Some even see that as a just cause for the beating. He said she was cheating on him , she said she wasn't but she is seen as the liar not him, those guys automatically give credit to the "offended" man implying he was right , maybe over the line but right. This happened because he put some intimate picture with him in bed with her not long before the assault , as if this proved anything. He left her in May, went to live somewhere else , she was on her own since , even if the two of them have met again and even fucked this doesn't imply they were together again , they just fucked , this doesn't give him rights over her. He thought she would get him back , he thought her answer would have been yes again , he was very apparently wrong. He thought they were together again she didn't , he felt cheated on , she wasn't cheating on anybody she thought she was free. He said he was going there to propose to her and offering an engagement ring , even if true (which I doubt completely and utterly, you don't go unannounced to propose yourself to a woman at 2:00 AM ) it had yet to be accepted , if she didn't then what cheating was it? Apparently some consider even the idea to propose to someone reason enough to be considered engaged thus cheated on even prior of the actual engagement , meaning her agreement and acceptance of the ring. Which she didn't do yet at the moment of the assault.
^ So? That was done when they were together but then he walked away in May , end of property
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Posted - Aug 20 2014 : 10:36AM
Again: they... were... separated. That means that she wasn't cheating and could do what she wanted. Please clarify -- who is calling her a liar? Are you? And why even entertain the idea that he was coming to propose to her at two in the morning? It's just crazy talk. And who gives a flying f**k what that lunatic felt? Most of what you paraphrasing "some people" saying is utter bullshit.
^ Did you actually read what I said ? Because you are saying exactly what I'm saying in the last 20 pages , and I was referring not to just "people" but some of the posts placed here , in some other performer twitter , did you read them? I did , as I read all of the last 20 pages and maybe more If my writing is unclear please specify what is not Is there any of MY passages in any of my posts (not quotes or references) in which I gave the slightest approval of his behaviour? I'd like to clarify ANY misunderstanding. 'cause you're getting it ALL WRONG
^^^^ WTF is so funny??? The point is: separated or not, cheated or not, married or not, engaged or not... there is no reason to beat the woman you love or loved, never. The problem is not if she lied him or cheated him, the problem is that he beat her almost to death, this is the main problem here, not her tattoo or her likely(or not) lies. All those blah blah blah about: she shouldn't do that, she shouldn't do this is a bullshit. Be strong Christy! And don't listen to all "rotten" comments...
Edited by - juliemasonFOREVER on 8/20/2014 11:04:42 AM
^ Actually I was talking about what some said here and on twitter plus some speculation s placed here about him in a court , she said they were split , he said no and put a picture of them fucking on twitter , hence some consider her a liar or that he lied at least once. I said that even if they fucked once since May this doesn't mean they were still together thus there was no lie. The problem is that if a man says his woman was infidel for reason I can't approve he's automatically the victim of betrayal and many blame the the actual beaten victim for this. Most of those violent husband can escape this way I'm not saying in any way that a man can beat a woman (unless attacked of course) I'm trying to understand why many here and there just commented this situation with just "she cheated on him" almost implying she got what she deserved. And this really upsets me.
According to him she did just that, attack him. And with a knife too, so that would justify him beating her in self defense but not all the stuff he did that wasn't needed. Obviously he went overboard and showed that he cannot be a free man, but if she did attack him first like that it's not something that can be ignored.
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Posted - Aug 20 2014 : 1:33PM
Exactly! All this speculation and the armchair psychology is irrelevant. He battered her. That's the only thing that matters.
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Posted - Aug 20 2014 : 1:40PM
Edited by - rtj2v0a on 8/20/2014 1:41:02 PM
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Posted - Aug 20 2014 : 1:42PM
My problem is that when you go on and on, stuff simply comes out unclear to me. We know what he said and she said. We've gone over it in the thread 100 times. Why repeat it? The point is he beat the hell out of her. At this point, everything eise is irrelevant.
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Posted - Aug 20 2014 : 1:47PM
If you already say hes a lunatic why do you try to analize his behavior. If he thinks two in the morning is the best time to ask a woman who he broke up with to marry him than that is the best time in his mind. Her sanity comes into question also because she was with this guy ( at some point) hes in jail now so all we can do is wait for the trial
I repeated that because it seemed necessary to make clear what I was going to say , it seemed relevant , , since I baically called his statement as bullshit
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Posted - Aug 20 2014 : 4:55PM
^^Boys shouldn't be watching porn in the first place and by the time a boy is a man he should know the difference between consensual rough sex and domestic abuse. Porn can't be blamed for sending any kind of a "message" to male minors who are viewing that content illegally.
^ +1 Furthermore, porn is merely a cultural product. It's hardly the reason why people grow up with misogynistic attitudes, blaming victims, or a tolerance for domestic abuse. Again, localizing misogyny and violence against women in one area (whether that be a specific community, art form, or whatever) ignores the fact that it is deeply woven into our society across demographics and cultures. I guess it's hard to address how these things manifest in our own lives.
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Posted - Aug 21 2014 : 10:58AM
Am not a fan, but i hope she makes a speedy recovery...and stays away from that ''PRICK'' of a ex boyfriend Edited by - scope21 on 8/21/2014 10:59:47 AM
Did she attacked him at sight or just after he battered the other male and then was going toward her ? because the way I see it ,SHE was in self defence , and with good reason he weighs at least 4 times more than her plus is a muscular trained fighter what should she do to defend herself. Furthermore did she opened the door him or he just walked in ? Because I seriously doubt she would have opened the door to him if she really was banging someone
^According to him she attacked him with the knife as he was beating the guy up or escorting him out of the house. I'm assuming that this was Christy's house and WM no longer had any connections to it, so he'd be considered a tresspasser and could be shot but it sounds like at that moment she tried to stab him instead of defending herself, and because they have a history together she would probably not get off completely with her actions if this is what happened. Either way, WM's brother has shown that she was not telling the truth about atleast one thing, and as she said he had never beaten her anywhere near this badly so I don't find it unbelievable that it's because she tried to stab a psychopath. She may have left this out of her story too. Anyhow you clearly are a feminist extremist so it's not like you would say a single negative thing about Mack. Edited by - 2bollocks on 8/21/2014 11:46:02 AM
If he was a trespasser 4 times her weight who already had assaulted and beaten a a male guest of her what was she supposed to do ? Wait for him to attack her first? Furthermore they claim she lied at least once because she said they split , but he showed a picture of them fucking so according to him she lied. But she said he left her in May months ago , and he actually lived elsewhere , if this is true they they really were singles , a pity fuck can't change anything . Actually it's him the one lying , did he left her in May? Where they living separately since then? If so he's the one telling lies not her Edited by - LCF on 8/21/2014 12:30:44 PM
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Posted - Aug 21 2014 : 12:31PM
^I agree on both counts. WM beats the crap out of Christy's guest and so she pulls a knife on WM to defend herself. That seems perfectly reasonable to me. Hell, I'm a gun owner several times overs and if I were in that situation it wouldn't have been a knife that I would have pulled. Furthermore I don't where some of these people get the idea that sleeping with your ex automatically means a renewal of the relationship. Maybe it did in this case, maybe it didn't, but there is no reason to assume the former.
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Posted - Aug 21 2014 : 12:42PM
^Not intrested in who did what, theres no need to beat her so badly...too bad she did'nt have a gun to off his lights
It wasn't just the twitter pictures, they posted pictures of them together at an event 3 weeks before the recent incident. So she implied that WM was completely out of her life since May but we've seen evidence that they went on dates and had intercource atleast on one occasion since. And you keep denying this like it's impossible for her to be in the wrong about anything, as usual. Like I said, that she would lie is not surprising because this is the same person that repeatedly went back to an abusive boyfriend. And no, if I was in her place the only weapon I'd use to protect myself would be a gun, not a knife. She had absolutely no shot, this is a psychotic pro fighter who is well-versed in every form of fighting. If I'm a small naked woman I'm not going to push him to the edge even further with stabbing attempts that will likely be futile.
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Posted - Aug 21 2014 : 1:08PM
A newly released Las Vegas Police report reveals gruesome details in the savage beating of adult film actress Christy Mack, which was allegedly perpetrated by mixed martial arts fighter and former porn actor War Machine. War Machine —- who legally changed his name from Jonathan Koppenhaver in 2008 —- is accused of attacking Mack, 23, at her home on August 8. According to the police report, obtained by Uproxx, the 32-year-old War Machine showed up at about 1:30 a.m. and found Mack asleep in bed with her friend, former reality TV star Corey Thomas. The police report states that Mack was dating War Machine, though Mack said in a previous statement to The Huffington Post that the couple broke up in May. War Machine allegedly became enraged at finding Mack with Thomas and began beating and choking him, though Thomas ultimately was able to escape and call 911. After Thomas left, police say War Machine turned his aggression on Mack. He allegedly forced her to strip naked and repeatedly punched and kicked her, breaking several of her teeth. He then allegedly began perusing her Instagram and Twitter accounts, and hitting her in the face every time he “found something he did not like.” The report gives a graphic account of War Machine’s alleged sexual abuse of Mack: Police say War Machine threatened Mack with a knife, and when he left the kitchen to find a sharper one to “finish the job,” Mack was able to escape through a back door. Thomas suffered a bone fracture and multiple contusions. Mack’s injuries included 10 broken bones, a broken nose, missing and broken teeth, a fractured rib and a severely ruptured liver from a kick to her side. Mack sent photos of her injuries to The Huffington Post last week: While [Mack] was lying on the ground in the bathroom Koppenhaver told her “that’s my pussy and I’m gonna take it back now.” Koppenhaver then licked his hand and put it on her vagina. … Koppenhaver did tell her that he was going to rape her but he “could not get hard” and he was mad about it. War Machine is charged with 3 counts of battery with substantial bodily harm, strangulation, kidnapping, open and gross lewdness and attempted murder. War Machine has not only publicly joked about raping and killing Mack in the past, but also has a history of assault accusations. In September 2007, he pleaded guilty to hitting a man in the face and choking him to the point of unconsciousness in a parking lot, and was arrested again in 2010 after allegedly punching a bouncer during a nightclub brawl. Additionally, the MMA fighter was accused of hitting porn star Alanah Rae in a jealous rage at a porn industry party in 2009, then assaulting several people who came to her defense. War Machine denied ever hitting Rae, but did admit to punching several men, who he claimed attacked him first. An online fundraiser for Mack's medical costs had raised $77,500 as of Tuesday afternoon.
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Posted - Aug 21 2014 : 1:16PM
^^ What most people fail to remember is that there are three sides to every story; his side, her side, and what actually happened. Other than the fact that she ended up in the hospital, I take every "account" of what transpired with a grain of salt.
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Posted - Aug 21 2014 : 1:35PM
^^The full report can easily be found online for those who are interested, though I won't link to it since it reveals Christy's name. ^"What actually happened" is that WM beat Christy Mack black and blue. That is objectively what happened. It was a heinous, morally indefensible act.
That animal should spend several years in prison and anyone who thinks Christy deserved any of that is maybe the type of person who thinks women are asking for it etc due to what clothes they wear etc. As someone who had to watch helpless as a child when my own Father used physical violence towards my Mother on a daily basis i have no respect for any man who uses his fists and violence to make his point. This could easily have been an obituary thread and i hope the police act accordingly,once again get well soon Christy.
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Posted - Aug 21 2014 : 4:14PM
But there also the fact that he has a history of never taking full responsibility for any of his actions. It's always denying or deflecting. It's always someone else's fault, or someone provoked him. So I'm inclined to dismiss his side of any story he tells, based on his history.
As long as you are not a judicial officer its all good .We all have our prejudices but to condemn a man unheard or without a proper trial is against natural justice so lets not jump the gun here.
For what it's worth he has already proven two parts of his story to be true, and the rest of what he said is just his delusions taking over. With that said, mrs Mack has also shown that her words are not to be trusted 100% either, and we cannot blindly accept her story because she is a woman like some in this thread are doing.
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Posted - Aug 21 2014 : 6:31PM
^^^If I had some sort of a legal relationship to the case I probably would care more about the inconsistencies - either alleged or proven - in Christy's account. Since I'm just a normal civilian what concerns me instead is that Christy was beat up. Since I have neither the required skills to investigate the case nor access to anyone involved I'm content to leave all of that to the detectives and lawyers.
Said PRICK is being held without bail, and is unlikely to get bail granted. Even if he gets bail set, who would/could pay it? He's facing 32 years. Assuming he's convicted, I'd expect a max sentence based on his prior violent criminal history and the extent of this attack (both severity of injuries and the fact that it was really two attacks. He's likely to plea deal, if not plead guilty. so she's not likely to see him again.
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Posted - Aug 21 2014 : 10:19PM
You're right -- I am prejudiced against a man with a documented history of violence and self-delusion. I didn't say, however, that he shouldn't be tried.
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Posted - Aug 22 2014 : 1:09AM
32 years? That seems really excessive for an assault and battery case. What exactly are the charges against him? If he's facing 32 years, it can't be just that.
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Posted - Aug 22 2014 : 1:12AM
Does he even have priors? Did she ever press charges for the other beatings? Or did any other woman step up to the plate before? If not i dont see him getting 32 years
According to the police report It looked rather an attempted rape and attempted murder , assault and battery may apply for the other guy in there that means TWO crimes against TWO different persons in a very short time plus a possible trespassing
And we all thank the like of you for having guys like him doing such things over and over until they kill someone , which he apparently (very apparently considering her injuries) was on the point of doing this time already
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Posted - Aug 22 2014 : 1:46AM
He has been arrested twice before for assault and battery. Both the other times were for fighting men. I don't know if he was ever charged or convicted in those cases though. It's no secret that he also has a habit of dating porn chicks and beating them up too. Christy isn't the first. He has dated other porn chicks before her and was physically violent against them. However, as far as I'm aware, none of them ever filed any complaints against him with the police. Again, as I've said before, I don't think Christy would have involved the police this time either if things didn't go as far as they did, and she had to go to the hospital.
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Posted - Aug 20 2014 : 7:51AM
.We all have our prejudices but to condemn a man unheard or without a proper trial is against natural justice so lets not jump the gun here
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