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| Unferth Member  277 Posts 1/09 |  Posted - Jun 7 2009 : 1:58PMhttp://perezhilton.com/2009-06-07-manson-stokes-nazi-flames I know, Perez Hilton. But it's still a weird story. Anyone have photographic evidence of this? [Link] |
| Harri Patel Senior Member #SDNY he's all yours. -- Michael Steele 5110 Posts 3/03 | Posted - Jun 7 2009 : 2:10PM [Link] |
| Ramsey Senior Member Trina Michaels fan 10332 Posts 10/02 | Posted - Jun 7 2009 : 3:32PM [Link] |
| Derek117 Senior Member 1605 Posts 1/06 | Posted - Jun 7 2009 : 3:49PM Edited by - Derek117 on 6/7/2009 3:49:47 PM [Link] |
| Dubious_Leftovers Senior Member And on that fateful day, the hatred consumed me... 1423 Posts 3/09 | Posted - Jun 7 2009 : 4:08PM Manson's a tool anyway, and not making any music that's at all relevant anymore; perfunctory music, perfunctory shock value... just phoning it in. [Link] |
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| Darrah Deactivated User 135 Posts 7/08 | Posted - Jun 8 2009 : 5:49AM [Link] |
| Darrah Deactivated User 135 Posts 7/08 | Posted - Jun 8 2009 : 5:49AM http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/ Hopeless naif that I am, I don’t immediately realise that Marilyn Manson is totally wasted on absinthe. I can see he’s drinking the stuff, but I assume it’s just for show. By the end, though, when he’s showing me the picture on his iPhone of the swastika freshly shaved into his new girlfriend’s pubic hair, I know differently. [Link] |
| Boneless Deactivated User Sry for bad english, I am dumb Serb, we know how to fight, not to write ... 151 Posts 6/08 | Posted - Jun 8 2009 : 7:09AM it is bad marketing but... it is still marketing, thought... and check this out [ invalid url ] by DP menagement... every 2 months they construct some story and Stoya TM brand just grow... heyyyy??? that Stoya's swastika was even news in small shit town where I live in some shitty Serbia country... sooo... every marketing is GOOD ... my opinion is that she had something with oldie M.M. but "the brain" is the one that came with that swastika story... and must add one thing that old man is as story says "the Antichrist Superstar and God of Fuck" imagine??? and his name is Marilyn... zZzZZzZzzzz... it is same as we name "the God of War" like, dunno, like Bambi ... ?!?1!? .... Marilyn... ZZzZzzzz... cmon... clown... sry Stoya didnt mean to offend ur boyfriend or else... it is just my stupid opinion... (imagine Marilyn as boyfriend, lol) [Link] |
| skronker Notable Legendary Icon Scopophiliac 9780 Posts 9/02 | Posted - Jun 8 2009 : 12:04PM [Link] |
| Tobias Deactivated User 475 Posts 1/09 | Posted - Jun 8 2009 : 1:44PM [Link] |
| Ramsey Senior Member Trina Michaels fan 10332 Posts 10/02 | Posted - Jun 8 2009 : 3:57PM Oh, it even hit the Dutch news. [Link] |
| Kelli Member NaughtyNews.Network 220 Posts 8/08 | Posted - Jun 8 2009 : 5:04PM But on the other hand from a PR standpoint this was such a good move for her. She wasn't really all that known prior to this and now, with her name being said over and over and over and over and over and over and over again .... well, it's not exactly a BAD thing for her popularity. But just to be clear, I don't think what she did was okay. I think had she done it in her private life and kept it that way it was one thing, but to have her boyfriend talk about it with the media and show pictures is another all together. It's so wrong on so many levels. [Link] |
mcewan  All-Star Member 1294 Posts 8/08 | Posted - Jun 8 2009 : 5:37PM [Link] |
| arany boci Member "meee-ow" 60 Posts 10/08 | Posted - Jun 8 2009 : 5:55PM Yes its an ancient symbol found in ancient Greek , the Indian subcontinent and the Americas. Its a symbol of luck, the sun and a star symbol. It is often the reverse direct in India from the Norse-Germanic swastika, but again Hitler took it as a symbol of power. [Link] |
| Dave_K99 Member 497 Posts 12/07 | Posted - Jun 8 2009 : 6:07PM Maybe if she shows like this in porn then I'll start worrying:  [Link] |
| KMB2476 Member 653 Posts 7/07 | Posted - Jun 8 2009 : 6:25PM This is not a symbol to be used for cheap shock value and I'm offended more that he's stooping this low to get people to talk about him again. And of course it's working cause look what we're all doing [Link] |
| popdog Member 865 Posts 5/05 | Posted - Jun 8 2009 : 6:29PM Edited by - popdog on 6/8/2009 11:14:37 PM [Link] |
| Mastrick Member 220 Posts 5/06 | Posted - Jun 8 2009 : 7:56PM [Link] |
| Kelli Member NaughtyNews.Network 220 Posts 8/08 | Posted - Jun 8 2009 : 8:06PM [Link] |
| arany boci Member "meee-ow" 60 Posts 10/08 | Posted - Jun 8 2009 : 8:45PM As for the manson comment I think it was his way of saying "Hey Stoya I have seen you in porn and wow." The reason I doubt the story is because Stoya responded in this forum with laughter and I will get clippers and tape.... if I remember right. The whole controversy is really silly, but as Willy Shakesphere would say "Much ado about Nothing" ("nothing" is Elizabethian English slang meant "pussy") [Link] |
| RandomPrecision Senior Member Enjoy! 8175 Posts 3/06 | Posted - Jun 8 2009 : 8:50PM [Link] |
| Tobias Deactivated User 475 Posts 1/09 | Posted - Jun 8 2009 : 9:34PM [Link] |
| poloprinz Member We didn't bring a compass 'cause we ain't got nowhere to go 173 Posts 4/09 | Posted - Jun 8 2009 : 10:05PM I'd think she has better things to do than indulge in this BS 'discussion'. I'm with arany boci on this. Lighten up... [Link] |
| wheat Senior Member You want a toe? I can get you a toe 1131 Posts 4/06 | Posted - Jun 8 2009 : 10:32PM [Link] |
| DAF1740 Member 305 Posts 9/06 | Posted - Jun 8 2009 : 10:40PM I could see Manson doing something like that in his endless quest to shock. Americans are easy to scare: just say you don't believe in God and they shit themselves. But Germans, you really can't do much except return to the 1930s and 40s. And I could definitely see Stoya sleeping with him. (Hell, if Rob Halford wanted a go at my ass, I'd probably let him, and I'm not into guys at all.) Whatever. It's like that thing with Max Mosley at the London dungeon, acting out Nazi S&M fantasies. (Foucault talks about Nazi sexual fantasies in "Sergeant de sexe." Worth reading, if you can find it.) It's interesting how much WWII remains a part of our collective fantasy, so long after the fact. Still, after all that's occurred in the past 64 years, nothing says evil like Nazism. An easily identifiable bad guy, that's what we want. Anyway, if you're out there, Stoya, deny everything. And if the pictures surface one day, deny that it's you. And if it's somehow obvious that the pubes in question are indeed yours, then apologize. Young, impressionable woman, in bed with your childhood idol, impaired judgment due to first time drinking absinthe, etc. You can even say that you two were discussing the horrors of the Holocaust and how it must never happen again (even though it has, in Africa), which prompted him to say "We're in Germany. Fucking Nazis. Can I shave a swastika into your pubes?" [Link] |
| Derek117 Senior Member 1605 Posts 1/06 | Posted - Jun 8 2009 : 10:40PM Edited by - Derek117 on 6/8/2009 10:43:40 PM [Link] |
| Derek117 Senior Member 1605 Posts 1/06 | Posted - Jun 8 2009 : 10:42PM [Link] |
| Shylock Spieglergirls.com "Patron of the Tarts" 2431 Posts 3/03 | Posted - Jun 8 2009 : 11:04PM SHYLOCK "Patron of the Tarts" Spieglergirls.com "Vivid girls are the ones your mom warned you about, but Spieglergirls are the ones your cardiologist warns you about!" - jrv [Link] |
| fu_q All-Star Member Marv Montag (@PornOfYore) 2506 Posts 2/09 | Posted - Jun 9 2009 : 12:21AM (edit: From the fact that Manson wouldn't say her name in the story and only wrote it down--presumably for plausible, future deniability--I am guessing not) If not, then I would view it as something private--likely not meant with any malice--that was made public by Marilyn Manson, who appears to be using it to maintain his image. Edited by - fu_q on 6/9/2009 12:26:54 AM [Link] |
| Tobias Deactivated User 475 Posts 1/09 | Posted - Jun 9 2009 : 12:29AM [Link] |
| fu_q All-Star Member Marv Montag (@PornOfYore) 2506 Posts 2/09 | Posted - Jun 9 2009 : 12:42AM I was merely addressing the poster's comment and putting in my own thoughts as to an alternative, just-as-likely theory for how Manson could have put it out without her knowledge. That said, I could envision a scenario in which one could do such a thing in private, know that it's a "bad joke", but also realize that the two people who are in the room knew that it didn't reflect any true malice on the part of one of the participants. When things are done in private, they are often not thought of as "counting"--and can be done without actually reflecting any malevolent or ugly prejudice on the part of the person doing them. For instance, if I were to draw a swastika on a note-pad right now and then throw it away, it wouldn't mean that I am being antisemitic or even have antisemtic thoughts. It would be something done in private that, while in bad taste, doesn't reflect my personal feelings. It wouldn't "count". And...no...I didn't just do that. PS--I'm a substantial part Jewish. [Link] |
| Bobbi Starr Senior Member 1211 Posts 12/06 | Posted - Jun 9 2009 : 1:06AM [Link] |
| arany boci Member "meee-ow" 60 Posts 10/08 | Posted - Jun 9 2009 : 1:36AM Wow that happened to me [Link] |
| Boneless Deactivated User Sry for bad english, I am dumb Serb, we know how to fight, not to write ... 151 Posts 6/08 | Posted - Jun 9 2009 : 1:45AM but... [ invalid url ] omg... some1 there work good and stoya IS the news... [Link] |
| M11911A1 Member 205 Posts 5/09 | Posted - Jun 9 2009 : 1:47AM This thing is just cheap shock value. Same as when Sid Vicious and Nancy Spungen wore swastikas. Just immature, juvenile antics to be controversial and piss people off. Personally I think it is damned disrespectful, and it shows shallow minds. There is no concept of history or ideology behind this stunt, it is just to indulge their sense of being "outrageous" and "rebellious." But from the sounds of that article, Manson is so fucked up on drugs, is it any wonder he is not thinking clearly? [Link] |
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| ChodeMasterJ Perpetual Marxist 5405 Posts 4/03 | Posted - Jun 9 2009 : 1:52AM It's a symbol. Get over it. If she shaved a cross in her crotch, people would be singing her praises. Grrooowww Uuuuppp peeooooppllllee. Pfft. I still love ya Stoya.  [Link] |
| M11911A1 Member 205 Posts 5/09 | Posted - Jun 9 2009 : 1:59AM People died to defeat what the Nazi swastika represents. I do think too much is being made of this. The controversy just gives them the attention they crave But that does not make this stunt any less stupid and disrespectful [Link] |
| fu_q All-Star Member Marv Montag (@PornOfYore) 2506 Posts 2/09 | Posted - Jun 9 2009 : 2:01AM Manson made it public, and Manson is using it for publicity. In the few things that I have read about it, there is indirect evidence to suggest that Stoya did not know that it was going to be made public. If I am incorrect, please point me to the evidence that Stoya wished this to be made public. I haven't seen it. Edited by - fu_q on 6/9/2009 2:04:26 AM [Link] |
| arany boci Member "meee-ow" 60 Posts 10/08 | Posted - Jun 9 2009 : 2:02AM A tattoo of "Om" so when someone goes down on her they can read "om" as they enter that Divine Orgasmic Bliss. The words "Eat at Joe's" "Manson was here" "Kilroy was here" "Remember the Alamo" "I survived the Bush Years and I do not mean the usurper of democracy, baby" "No shirt, no shoes, no service" "Smoking section" "Who loves ya, baby?" with a lollipop near by "No preservatives or artifical coloring" "Made in the US of A" "Made in China" "hospitality is our middle name" "Just do it" with the Nike logo "My other pussy is a feline" "Finger lickin good" "Do not drink while operating heavy machinary" Of course Stoya could rent the space out for her pubic area. She could have companies advertise there. As was mentioned Nike could put their logo. [Link] |
| Boneless Deactivated User Sry for bad english, I am dumb Serb, we know how to fight, not to write ... 151 Posts 6/08 | Posted - Jun 9 2009 : 2:06AM [Link] |
| fu_q All-Star Member Marv Montag (@PornOfYore) 2506 Posts 2/09 | Posted - Jun 9 2009 : 2:07AM THAT is funny shit right there.
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| fu_q All-Star Member Marv Montag (@PornOfYore) 2506 Posts 2/09 | Posted - Jun 9 2009 : 2:12AM "Post hoc ergo propter hoc" [Link] |
| M11911A1 Member 205 Posts 5/09 | Posted - Jun 9 2009 : 2:14AM I still think it was a juvenile thing for Stoya to do, or allow to have done to her. But it might be she did not expect any of this and is regretful about it [Link] |
| fu_q All-Star Member Marv Montag (@PornOfYore) 2506 Posts 2/09 | Posted - Jun 9 2009 : 2:17AM In terms of some indirect evidence that she might not have wanted it to come out--this is something that I posted a few posts ago: From the fact that Manson wouldn't say her name in the story and only wrote it down--presumably for plausible, future deniability--I am guessing that she didn't know it would come out. [Link] |
| arany boci Member "meee-ow" 60 Posts 10/08 | Posted - Jun 9 2009 : 2:24AM "If I had a dime for everytime someone claims they see an imagine of the Virgin Mary with my labia" "eco-friendly" "minty fresh" "hey if you wanted strawberries then try Katsumi's ass" "I did not have sexual relations with that woman" "Better with cream" "Don't give me the sweet girl crap, just fuck me" "Room in the rear" "May cause momentary lapses of reason" "BYOB" "Security cameras present" "Dolphin safe" " [Link] |
| M11911A1 Member 205 Posts 5/09 | Posted - Jun 9 2009 : 2:25AM What kind of man reveals his partner's private life to the world? Even pornstars are entitled to privacy Manson is like Homer in that Simpsons episode where he tells everyone Marge's secret elbow fetish [Link] |
| Boneless Deactivated User Sry for bad english, I am dumb Serb, we know how to fight, not to write ... 151 Posts 6/08 | Posted - Jun 9 2009 : 2:27AM well guess what will be THE BIGEST news on Erotica LA in next few days? that was magical marketing guru move... nothing else... they were talking about swastika 2 days before that interview just no1 noticed so some1 had to make it public and kabooom Marilyn did (lol every time I type that name)... she wont suffer anything, why? read reply above, they r all like this: - young, impressionable woman, in bed with your childhood idol - does anybody who has read stoya's posts here truly believe she's a hate filled bigot? - If not, then I would view it as something private--likely not meant with any malice - It's a symbol. Get over it. If she shaved a cross in her crotch, people would be singing her praises. - there is indirect evidence to suggest that Stoya did not know that it was going to be made public - Definitely juvenile...but, in a private setting, a lot of people can be juvenile she loses nothing... and I admire that "brain" in DP's marketing... [Link] |
| fu_q All-Star Member Marv Montag (@PornOfYore) 2506 Posts 2/09 | Posted - Jun 9 2009 : 2:28AM Assuming that Stoya thought that it was private (which I will until there is real evidence put forth to the contrary), it was definitely a dick move--you're right. Edited by - fu_q on 6/9/2009 2:30:01 AM [Link] |
| fu_q All-Star Member Marv Montag (@PornOfYore) 2506 Posts 2/09 | Posted - Jun 9 2009 : 2:38AM You are using as proof that she was a party to its coming out the fact that there is evidence that she received greater attention after it came out. What you have put forth is not evidence at all. As it stands, it is a correlation and not a causation. In terms of trying to prove your point, it is logically meaningless. Just because event b came after event a, it does not mean that event a caused event b. This is particularly true here, as one would expect that she would get more attention if something like this were to come out at all--regardless of whether she wished it to or not.
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| Darrah Deactivated User 135 Posts 7/08 | Posted - Jun 9 2009 : 2:40AM Pissing off Jews in porn or in any part of the entertainment industry is like pissing off gays on Broadway. You won’t last that long and should start looking for a new line of work. He has a new album he's promoting. His whole thing since the start of his career has been to shock people. Her whole thing has been manufactured by her and Digital Playground as being the second coming of Christ. How she's suppose to be smart, intelligent, and a class act. But she's finally showing her true colors .... publicly. And rumor is she was fired already. After all the women DP recently got rid of, they kept her around?? Jesse is the star while Riley is getting lots of press for her new role in the Piranha remake. Minutes ago I found new pictures of Riley in a bikini on the set of that new movie. Riley has been getting much more press in Europe because Kelly Brook is also in the movie. Kelly is a top English glamour model. So the paparazzi are following Kelly while she's in the United States which means Riley is being talked about as well in all their reports. So here's Stoya feeling all left out. So dating Marilyn Manson and having him branding her with a swastika will get her the attention she's been wanting. No one knows who Stoya is outside of porn. They do Jesse and now they are starting to know Riley. Even with all the shiny new awards Digital Playground bought for Stoya, it still couldn't get her the attention she wanted. And also, she should never have been nominated for any of those new starlet awards considering she's not new after being in the porn industry for over three years. She also doesn't care about the awards she "wins" and she also says to not believe anything Digital Playground puts out about her because it won't be true. I wrote a blog post about this yesterday and now I went to her Twitter and she deleted the entries I quoted that I post below. I didn't take a screenshot of those quotes because I have better things to do with my time. I did take a screenshot of her making light of the whole thing here on ADT which that post is still up. Yeah because I took a screenshot meaning it exists. But people did see her Twitter when I posted this and saw what she wrote before it was deleted today. I checked Google cache and it's not there any longer. And don't think I'm making these quotes up. I capitalize what should be capitalized and use proper punctuation.Her here on ADT making light of it all. I have the screenshot saved. forum.adultdvdtalk.com/ As of this very second, both she and Marilyn still have each other as their number one friend on Myspace. Digital Playground also doesn't run her page as you can tell just by looking at it. So she is no victim of Marilyn manson and she knew exactly what he was doing. http://www.myspace.com/stoyabot  [Link] |
| Darrah Deactivated User 135 Posts 7/08 | Posted - Jun 9 2009 : 2:44AM Jesse is the star while Riley is getting all the press she's been getting. Stoya feels left out and is part of this new publicity. [Link] |
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