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I've been meaning to write this for a while right now, but I feel like a lot of us Girl-Girl/Lesbian fans are getting the shaft, and have been for a number of years now. These days G/G seems like an afterthought, even though there are a lot of dedicated fans to the genre. If you look at the vast majority of G/G sites, most of them are no longer producing any content and haven't for a while, whereas other categories are getting new sites all the time.
I understand that the porn industry at large has been hit by piracy, COVID, and the like, but I feel like there should be no reason why we should be dealing with some of these problems.
To start, several of the best producers of Girl-Girl content in recent years (in some cases decades) are gone or have changed their direction for the worse. Sites like Danni.com, Penthouse, Kiss Me Girl, LezKiss, Candy Girl Films, We Live Together, Party of 3 and Filly Films come to mind.
Why is that? - I noticed that Lesbian/Girl-Girl is one of the top categories on countless tube sites, but I struggle to find any full-fledged network that actively updates (more than 1-2x/week) outside of Girlsway, Twistys, Viv Thomas and Girlfriendsfilms, and a few others.
As a consumer willing to pay for quality content, I shouldn't have to spend hours looking for content that I like, since the category is popular and most performers list Girl/Girl under the types of acts they are willing to perform.
Further complicating the issue, it looks like fans essentially fall into 2 main camps - 1. Those for focus on Chemistry, Story and Buildup of Tension and 2. Those who focus on the visuals and prefer closeups and more explicit shots of the pussy eating (long shots of tongue-fucking a huge plus).
I tend to fall more into the second category, I totally understand the value and need for the first, but if it doesn't have any great shots of the action, all the chemistry in the world doesn't matter. I also feel like chemistry is a lot harder to capture, and am happy to settle for a "by the numbers" scene with hot, explicit shots of cunnilingus than a scene where the chemistry is just right, but I can't see a god damned thing.
Alas, in a perfect world, most scenes would have plenty of both, but as it is, I find myself spending lots of time watching older scenes from Twistys, Mature.nl, Danni.com, We Live Together, and Filly Films, etc.. than I should have to.
Here is a wishlist of sites I would love to see in the future:
1. A visually-focused amateur G/G European site - there have been amateur sites like SapphicErotica and (the old) Mature.nl in the past, but it would be nice to have a showcase for new performers. Many girls need to start somewhere, and since it would be visually-focused, chemistry wouldn't matter as much. 2. Same thing as above, but for U.S. performers - I don't know why ATK stopped producing G/G... 3. A Lesbian "Casting" Site - not stuff like Fake Female Agent, but a legitimate casting site where amateurs would be performing with an established G/G star. Sort of like, Party of 3, but with different established performers. 4. A return of the more raunchy G/G stuff, but without any toys or the like (similar to Kiss Me Girl Explicit). I think many thought LesbianX would be that, but.... 5. A lesbian PPV site - think Legalporno, but for Lesbian content only. I think it would be profitable and would give people a cheaper and better-produced option than the custom/Onlyfans route. 6. A Pussy Worship G/G site - I feel like there are plenty of sites dedicated to Asslicking, but nothing that focuses on pussy licking exclusively. Most of the stuff that's out there is Lezdom-related, but I would like something where they take turns. I'm thinking something like SubbyGirl, but with closer shots and more amateurs (could tie into the "Casting" scenario in point 3). 7. An Ethnic G/G site - aside from the occasional scene, most studios like Evasive Angels, WCP, Wankz (Lesbian Sistas) and Ice Pass have stopped producing good G/G altogether.
Let me know your thoughts, I would love to start a longer discussion around this that is more substantive than the generic stuff in the "All Things Lesbian" thread. I would love to hear what other G/G fans think is missing from the industry.
I haven't found a perfect list, but the most comprehensive ones I have found (for pay sites) are on the porn review sites (Thebestporn.com, Rabbit Reviews and x3Guide). Others might have more thoughts.
I would like to see a party type site where girls are in sexy dresses,underwear,stockings etc.
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Posted - Nov 20 2020 : 3:29AM
I agree Doobie, besides wanting another Eurogirls sites. There's stuff like Lesbea already and those chicks, for the most part, are NOT into chicks.
As for a more explicit G/G site with good shots of pussy eating, that's what I am after. The sex on sites like Girlsway, Twistys, and current-day We Live Together is a distant, DISTANT afterthought to corny skits and yelling/screaming contests.
I don't get it, but somehow that's pretty much the only thing that exists. I'd pay for a real girl/girl sex site for sure. I have Girlfriend Films and AdultTime currently and both of those are mostly trash, with a good scene every blue moon. I should probably cancel them but haven't yet.
Subbygirls COULD be good but the camera person refuses to shoot the action and usually sets the camera up in another room down the hall.
If you haven't seen the stuff at inthecrack.com, you should check them out. They do it the right way and unless they get stuck with a terrible performer, the scenes turn out good. The lesbian scenes are very far and in between on that site though, unfortunately.
Seems like we lost a lot of those G/G performers who had a special talent for these types of scenes. Jenna Sativa, Ryan Ryans, Dani Daniels, Kenna James, Georgia Jones just to name some. Now they're either retired or they're doing mostly B/G.
Right of the bat I must admit that I'm not the pickiest when it comes to g/g. Give me a pairing that I'll like and I'm most likely to enjoy the scene. That said, the world of g/g porn is hardly flawless.
- On the european side of things I REALLY wish they would let/encourage performers to talk and express themselves in whatever language they actually speak. I like the look of european g/g porn and there is a lot of beautiful performers, but with 99% of scenes being completely without any talking I just find them a bit lacking.
- One of the biggest issues with g/g is that the vast majority of scenes do all seem to roughly follow the same structure (scenes always ending with tribbing for example). Being able to guess what'll happen and when it'll happen does take some of the fun out of watching it.
- I'd love to see someone revive Kiss Me Girl and Sloppy Girl. Kissing, making out and foreplay is something that is rather lacking in g/g porn.
- With Lesbian X seemingly dead I would like to see another site providing scenes with strapons and anal play on regular basis.
That's all I can think of at the top of my head, but there's probably more.
Let me first preface that since we are still suffering from a world pandemic and will suffer through part of 2021 then not much is going to happen no matter what any studio/producer would like to do about the state of lesbian porn. So for now here are some of general points.
1-Tube and Torrent sites have basically done to g/g porn what they did to every other kind of porn and killed it so it's no wonder that so many g/g studios have stopped producing porn and they aren't coming back.
2-It's bad in America but it's even worse in Europe so hoping to see a new g/g European site is likely a fantasy at this point because you basically have two players. Legal Porno who owns DDF and Private and if you are familiar with their brand of porn then you know g/g is not what they want to produce. You also have Adult Time who owns 21Sextury and while they definitely still produce a decent amount of g/g porn but they can only dedicate a portion of their total production budget to that type of porn and since they produce a lot of porn then that budget must be fairly small.
3-European g/g porn can be very good but it's usually limited to only sex scenes as most performers have a very limited capacity to speak English so scenario porn is not possible.
Interesting topic. As a big G/G content fan, I'd agree that it's really taken a hit (both from Covid and piracy in general). While the variety of studios has shrunk dramatically, there are still some good options available depending on what your flavor is. There actually a few that I subscribe to that may even fit your criteria:
-SexyHub: It's essentially the Euro version of Brazzers or RealityKings, with a heavier emphasis on girl/girl content. I noticed someone here say that Lesbea lacked passionate content, and I'm definitely inclined to disagree. Of course like any G/G site, there are a decent number of performers who probably aren't into girls & it shows. But overall, they have a number of great Euro G/G performers (Alexis Crystal & Lexi Dona both have like 50+ scenes apiece there for example). Additionally, their network has 'Massage Rooms' which is a site more dedicated to slow build-up & really emphasizes the lighting and glistening aspect of the oil being rubbed on.
-Straplezz: This is definitely a lot more niche and may not be to everyone's taste. The site is built entirely around European ladies & strapless dildo sex. I was pretty leery at first given that strap-on content is very often a mixed bag. But the visuals are excellent, the ladies are gorgeous, and the sex itself is actually quite hot (especially by the performers "Mia" and "Merry Pie"). The big downside though is like many European sites, it appears their traffic has dropped considerably in recent years and they only update about once a month now. That said, they have a very large archive so I find it's definitely worth the price.
Of course the obvious is Adulttime, but they do seem to be adding new channels at a rapid clip. It seems like every month they bring on a new g/g site as an available channel.
Yeah, that's always been the problem. Super hot chicks who are REALLY NOT into chicks. It's part of why I think they should focus on the visuals more and have directors that set up scenes that focus on the action with closeups. I have found that some Lesbea scenes do a good job in that regard, but others that focus too much on "artistic shots", which seem to forget that people are watching porn, not a pseudo softcore movie (see current Viv Thomas scenes...).
Otherwise I agree on all fronts, I would pay for a real g/g site, but will settle for one that gets really good shots with hot girls instead. The closest EU example I found were a few g/g scenes from 18closeup, but they folded before they could really get some traction. I also feel like LezKiss folded just as things were really starting to get really good.
I've definitely checked out inthecrack, and even asked the guy(s) if they would ever consider a g/g site. His response was: "Being that ITC is virtually a one man show I just don't have enough time to make other websites and stock them all with content."
Anyway, glad to see there are fellow g/g fans that are out there. Hoping that we can get some traction over time in case some aspiring EU/US pornographer ever graces this thread (one can dream...).
Yeah, totally agree. I feel like part of the problem was that they just couldn't make enough $$$ just doing g/g. Some have persevered, but most eventually cave.
It's part of why I always like the idea of having experienced performers like that in a "casting" or "seduction" scenario.
That way you get the best of both worlds, a g/g performer that gets steady work, coupled with cute newcomers that might turn out to have a knack for g/g. At the very least we get some hot action from the "expert", and if we are lucky we get a full on hot scene if the chemistry is right.
We've seen some of the "seduction" variant, but not a lot of good stuff from the "casting" scenario. I would also have loved to see a gyno-focused "lesbian examination" scenario, which I've only seen on occasion. There really is a lot that could be done in the world of g/g that has either only been done on occasion, or haphazardly.
Yep, part of why I think focusing more on visuals would help. It's hard to find performers that can consistently get the chemistry right. Overall I just feel like the industry thinks of g/g as an afterthought, which is bizarre given how many people - guys and gals alike - are into it.
Yep, totally agree. A few sites have done it (part of why I miss Girlfriends.xxx and the Ferronetwork sites), but few that are around today have really made it a genuine part of their scenes.
Staging the scenes too much is definitely part of the problem, since I'm sure it takes girls performance and makes it impossible to relax and just let things flow. The director's focus should be to capture the action in front of them well, not to stage it from start to finish.
That being said there are some directors that have consistently done a good job with staging, although they are few and far between (ESPECIALLY in Europe).
I'm all for Kissing and hot making out, as long as it helps set the stage for the rest of the action. I LOVED Kiss Me Girl explicit for that exact reason.
Can't say I'm a fan of strapons, but I do really like anal play, especially in the context of hot pussy action (which you also don't see enough of...)
I fully acknowledge that the pandemic have made things worse, but I think that there were serious issues in g/g long before then. So many good sites came and went, and the genre has always felt like an afterthought.
A good example is what 21Sextury used to be vs. today - they still put out decent scenes on occasion, but even at its height, the g/g was often just going through the motions.
For the European G/G - they should just let them speak in their native language with subtitles, it's worked before and I don't really mind it. Would definitely help with scenarios.
SexHub: Hit or miss for me. They had an awesome stretch where there were a lot of hot shots and great scenes, but now it seems to have started to emulate the ill-fated Viv Thomas (which used to be AMAZING btw...)
Straplezz: I'll check it out, but I've never been a fan of strapons. I've always been about the lesbian oral.
Adulttime: Mixed bag as well, some scenes are good, occasionally they are great.
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Posted - Dec 11 2020 : 3:39AM
gg porn is dead after lockdown
sites arent doing anymore gg scenes after lockdown and the reason isnt the covid, because really i see that after lockdown there are more bg scenes than before. for example realitykings is doing more bg scenes than before, they now do 2 bg a day and before lockdown sometimes gg every 7-10 days. the same with babes,nubilesfilms,teamskeet,mofos,wildoncam,lesbianx and girlgirl. these sites stopped doing gg after lockdown. girlfriensfilms,twistys and girlsway reduced more than 50 % their gg.
my fav gg sites in history were kissmegirl,danni.com, wlt until 2016( when there were abigail mac,ryan ryans,malena morgan,jenna sativa,kenna james,shyla jennings), lezkiss and girlfriendsfilms
now there arent anymore only gg performers. gg scenes now are with girls who dont like girls, all last 25-30 minutes and half is of talking, girls dont kiss and suck tits anymore, the scene is really bad directed, girls dont do anything, they havent passion and interest in gg because they care only about bg scenes. girls do for 90 % bg and dont care about doing a good gg scene anymore
i remember all kissmegirl scenes when girls like girls, kissed and sucked tits and sincerely there wasnt a bad scene. for me a good gg is when you like it even if there are girls you dont like in it and this happened with kissmegirl. i didnt like serena blair for example but i liked her kissmegirl scenes instead after 2016 i dont like gg even with abigail mac or kenna james or ryan ryans or vanessa veracruz or bree daniels or shyla jennings because for some raesons the type of gg became bad and even these girls havent anymore passion and interest in scenes. i dont know if because of girls who dont care anymore about gg or the director who says to girls to dont kiss and do anything in gg
My thoughts exactly. I feel like the overall options for G/G fans over the past couple of years have severely declined. It went from a decent amount of options, to a few producers that are a hit and miss (depending on what you are looking for), to having little to nothing across the board (comparatively speaking).
I shouldn't have to spend hours browse for something as simple as two hot girls with solid, longer, closeup angles giving a decent performance. Having chemistry and such is the holy grail, but at this point I just want something explicit (without toys) that is at least watchable.
Pardon the analogy, but watching much of the G/G these days would be like watching a B/G performance from afar, with the occasional glimpse of penetration from time to time.
I just don't get it, especially given its relatively popularity. Perhaps some insiders (@Fit18 and others) can shed some light on this. As a G/G fan willing to pay for quality content, I just don't get how there aren't more options available. Almost every performer is willing to do G/G, so there should be more options out there, particularly along the stuff I outlined in the OP, and what others have mentioned in the thread.
I'm just at a loss for how little producers seem to care...
I for one miss the days when Belladonna was directing. Over the top quality with almost 1hr of non-stop action. Every scene was fetish-themed. No cheasy dialogue, no corny lines, no silly action setups, just sex, pure and simple. To answer the op question, it went downhill when master Jay retired and with this pandemic lurking about, who knows when these scenes will (if ever) be good again. We have jav now if we want quality and fetishes, but that damn mozaic kills it...
I forgot about those - great series, and a perfect example of how action can be entertaining on its own. I also agree that things haven't been the same since he left. I would add that it was the departures of a few directors that left things for worse over the past couple of years.
Also, totally agree on JAV, one of the biggest travesties is the lack of uncensored JAV. They production companies cut down hard just as things were heating up (see "Lesbian Licking" and "A Fuckwork Orange" from Oriental Dream). Uralesbian and Lesshin are okay, but are far off the mark of what we could/should be seeing.
^^I do think it's a shame that g/g content from Evil Angel is basically non-existent these days. They used to be a great provider of the more raunchy g/g content (various fetishes, anal, dom/sub etc).
^, ^^ & ^^^Yeah, regarding Evil Angel and their lesbian selection - their former excellence was the number one reason I signed up, having not done my due diligence, little did I know that it'd been nearly three years since their last full lesbian title (recently Proxy Paige just released one, breaking that dry spell). They've released some handfuls of individual scenes but it's by far a small percentage of what they're pumping out. The lack of the former superlative lesbian content, the seeming lack of lesbian content from them period will wind up being, if it doesn't change, the largest reason for my not signing back up.
Regarding Belladonna, both of you are fully on point, she was my favorite too, loved her as a performer and those series she was directing for Evil Angel. I bought more DVDs of her lesbian work at Evil Angel than any other, G/G or otherwise. Fetish Fanatic, No Warning, Butt Face, Part of Feet, Fucking Girls Again - they were top notch stuff. (Most available at Evil Angel but more often than not in SD/DVD rips.) What I wouldn't give for another series like those, with a person at the helm (and sometimes in front of the camera) like Belladonna. They have Adira Allure and Cherry Kiss directing for them, and Cherry has an upcoming AMA on their forums as well as a five girl orgy she directed being released. Adira focused on a B/G titled with the usual cast, hoping to see an all girl title from her.
So I'm a member at Girlsway (Adult Time as a whole), Evil Angel and Girlfriends Films, in terms of the sites I'm on that offer lesbian content. I had considered Lesbian X but it had appeared they stopped uploading, not sure if that's the case but I'm not looking to join a site that is effectively dead in the water. I did like what they were offering though, their aesthetic.
Personally I hate the ever present close-up/mid-range shot we get stuck in so often - framing just a hunk of the woman's body for the bulk of the scenes. I like those full body views, so we drink in both ladies, we can see the flex of their legs as they twitch with pleasure, we can watch the waggle of their toes as those waves roll over them, we can drink in every line of the gorgeous bodies at our leisure. Of course there's room for close ups and the mid-range, I just want to see more of the full body shot.
After reading the parent post, the original post, Twisty's and Viv Thomas both showed up on my radar. I've known the names for years, or decades, but I'd never looked into either (their sites proper). Very intriguing. Can anyone speak to their overall experiences with either one of them? Or can anyone say, "If you're a fan of X, you'll like Twisty's/Viv Thomas"?
I have a ton of thoughts on this subject, I just wanted to open with a few, especially after I seen Belladonna mentioned. Probably my all-time favorite, across the board, really do miss her and her projects. I'll type up something more thorough regarding my thoughts on the state of the G/G industry, what I like about the sites I'm joined up to, what I don't like, and what I'd like to see more out of them, and perhaps asking for some lesbian content recommendations sometime down the line.
I've noticed a decline in g/g scenes in general. Best lesbian videos were old school Girlfriends Films. Dim lighting, lots of organic foreplay, action that takes place on a bed. Best formula for getting a girl to climax or come close to it. In terms of pairing, not every hot girl is going to prefer women, but that's okay. As long as you have one girl who's really into girls, you can reuse her over again with different girls. I've found that these are usually older women. Magdalene, Daisey Layne, Michelle May and others seemed to enjoy being with women and taking a dominant role. Their scenes are usually good. Unfortunately, girlfriends films changed their style and are more conventional and bland now.
Same happened with viv thomas' films, the old videos had great chemistry between the women but now are dull and artsy. These days I prefer "mature nl" older younger videos, closest I've seen to the type of scenes I like. Even then, their older stuff was better.
^The early GFF stuff was beyond amazing and sadly I think it was lighting in a bottle because while many of the same performers have worked for other studios as well as GFF. Whatever made those early videos so great isn't there in most of those videos. There are some amazing exceptions from other studios back then but even the content these studios put out later on is mediocre at best.
I'd actually say that there's a select few subscription sites that cater to the girl on girl niche, that offer far better content than most other subscription sites from any niche, that I haven't seen listed in this thread so far. Abby Winters, Girls Out West, and Ersties.
The common theme between the 3 sites is the content is filmed and produced by women (I believe it's true of Abby Winters? Certainly the other 2 though), and I think as a result these 3 sites truly go against the grain of filmed porn simply being a performance, and you do see genuine enjoyment and orgasms in their videos, without question.
The only drawback (to some - may be a positive for others) is all 3 sites don't tend to cast your typical pornstars, they promote all girls being beautiful, so some may find them a bit niche. If that's something you're either in to or you can look past, then I think they all offer some of the most genuine subscription based porn available.
Edited by - TheMoisturiser on 1/8/2021 11:34:26 AM
The Girls Out West content can be pretty interesting. Problem is porn is fantasy & doubt vast majority of viewers would see the talent as fantasy girls.
That's a tall order. In December, pornbox.com released a scene with Stacy Cruz & Brittany Bardot. Enjoyed largely because Stacy was in it & Bardot is wild. It actually has a 2nd chapter with a guy, but that's not pertinent. Did a month of Jill Kassidy of Onlyfans. She has a handful of pretty good g/g scenes available for no cost besides the monthly fee. Can't think of any other lesbian content that has registered with me recently. The death of girlgirl.com has probably been the biggest loss.
Ill start with AllHerLuv. Since Im more of a storyline based scene person I love what they do. They really only had one head scratching storyline and that was "Pink Triangle" Scene 3 with Sarah Vandella and Jade Baker. I really didnt get that storyline. It felt like they just was trying to get to the sex. Outside of that scene I think Ricky Greenwood and Whitney Wright do amazing jobs with creating great storylines and I also think the performers they get for the roles are home runs.
AdultTime still has great G/G content. Girlsway, MommysGirl, WebYoung, AllGirlMassage, PureTaboo which has Lesbian Revenge and Girlcore and then ModelTime.
Bellesa Films the times they shoot G/G I really like them. Jacky St. James does an amazing job with production and also giving the fans what they want with pairing the performers.
Sweetheart Video I like what they are doing with their G/G content.
If you dig deeper though I think OF has great G/G content. It depends on if you the consumer want to A) spend the money and B) take the time to find the ones that produce great content. From going around alot of performers on OF I can tell you that Abigail has great G/G because she practically shoots with every. Adria Rae content is well produced. Karlee Grey shoot both professional and amateur and I like hers alot. She also shoots with practically everyone. Lacy Lennon Im noticing has started to shoot more G/G content. Obviously Cherie DeVille has a good amount of G/G content. The quality for Cherie might not be great like Abigail or even Casey Calvert which I like as well but Cherie never disappoints in her scenes. Sinn Sage G/G content is more fetish based. If you are into strap-on, tribbing, kissing, and she does storylines then you will love her content. She has a series with Georgia Jones she did for some guy who wanted customs of Sinn and Goergia on a date, then engagement, then marriage, then divorce. So she has a series with Georgia that has all of that. Its really good if you are interested. Plus with Sinn you can find most of her scenes on manyvids for a monthly fee for like $50. Its not bad at all. But again with OF its about if you are willing to spend and if you have the time to see what performers fit what you want and then even look around to see who is releasing what scenes you might be interested it. Also Adriana Chechik has really good G/G content. She shoots with plenty of people too.
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Posted - Jan 10 2021 : 1:40AM
Girlgirl.com is exactly like girlsway is exactly like She Seduced Me. It's still there, just rebranded to She Seduced Me
GirlGirl had far, far superior casts than She Seduced Me has to this point. Who is actually having the sex matters to me, maybe not something you care about. I do realize Alan was the director of both. Alan's scenes at GW are very much like the ones at GirlGirl. If I am content to watch old scenes, GW is fine. However, GW has been in decline & currently at it's nadir. Certainly couldn't list them as something I feel good about.
I believe one of the reasons "lesbian" is so high on tube sites is due to how obsolete a term "BG" is. Tube sites are full of BG porn so their fans will tend to search for more focused niches such as anal, cream pie, blow job, gangbang, interracial etc where as people looking for GG porn will more often just search "lesbian" at some point. BG porn is far far more popular than GG, on tube sites and elsewhere.
With that said GG is still very popular and I believe anyone with any porn know-how, some financial backing and a few connections could make a killing with a GG site. A few things I believe they would need to consider:
Keep the site strictly GG and release at least 3 scenes per week. Simply adding another 'site' to a network and releasing 1 half assed scene per week is pointless and will fail like every other before it. I assume producers notice low traffic on their GG scenes and put that down to a lack of interest, when it's more likely due to GG fans not being willing to pay a monthly subscription fee for 1 scene per week if they're lucky.
Offer bonuses and creative participation for members. For every concurrent month a member is joined they could receive points which they can use for things such as pairing requests, props from scenes, access to model snapchats etc. M
Maintain an active relationship with fans through social media and the site itself (responding to comments on videos etc).
Encourage performers to do the same while they are on set.
Ensure that the content meets the demands of the fans. If different kinds of fans are to be courted then another section of the site should be opened or another site created for them with the same rules.
Poach new talent and lock them down on semi-exclusive contracts.
These are all really good suggestions. Industry professionals, insiders and producers - take note! This kind of company directives would give fans plenty of reasons to sign up and stay signed up.
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Posted - Jan 14 2021 : 11:18PM
Wish there was more lesbian lactation content out there. Bonus if they actually swallow it and don't spit it out. Seems like Nadine Jansen and Milena Velba got the market locked down. Is it legal in Germany/Holland and illegal in the States?
Yikes, looks like I missed plenty of activity on this board. Thanks for your comments, gooch. It looks like you are a true g/g aficionado. I would say that I have stopped watching Viv Thomas since both the visuals and chemistry have been lacking for a long time. I still subscribe to Twistys, but it's mostly to watch their older stuff, as the new stuff is mostly hit and miss for me.
Feel free to chime in on your thoughts. I would love to hear them.
Agreed, I still have a membership to mature.nl purely to watch the old school "older younger" stuff. It's my go-to purely because of the visuals (and occasional chemistry). Really miss that type of content, as I can only imagine how great some of it would look in today's 4K resolutions (drools...).
I can't say I am the biggest fan of Girlfriends Films, mainly because I am a visual guy. But by the good lord, when they have both the visuals and the chemistry, it's amazing (just doesn't happen often, but I am open to suggestions to prove me wrong).
I agree with others in that it's tricky. For the sake of argument, I'm going to say that "lesbian" porn is story and chemistry-driven, and "G/G" is visual and sex-driven. For lesbian fans, things are okay, not great but okay, as there are studios like Sweetheart Video, All Her Love, Girls Out West, Ersties, Girlsway, etc... for "G/G" fans, its been a rough time, as most of the reliable studios have either stopped or shifted gears altogether. I still think that there is good stuff being produced, but it's hard to come by tbh.
The most promising development has been Slayed, mainly because they get that some of us G/G fans are visual. I agree that the "porniness" can be challenging for some, but it's something I am happy to set aside (or mute) in order to get the camerawork.
I totally agree with gooch, all great suggestions. I'm hoping the success in slayed will inspire more interest in G/G overall (the same way Blacked kicked off all the IR stuff). Fingers crossed....
I LOVE lesbian JAV (uncensored), but it's so hard to come by. Uralesbian and Lesshin are okay at best, but definitely lacking overall. If someone were to really capitalize on the popularity of JAV G/G, I would be willing to pay a very hefty subscription fee (provided it was done well...).
Others, thoughts on Lesbian JAV? - I don't really hear any people discussing it, but boy, do I think it's an untapped market (uncensored content that is...).
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Posted - Aug 14 2021 : 7:59PM
G/G still sucks super hard for the most part. Mostly fake moaning and performers that don't look to be into it.
Slayed has the visuals but it thinks fake yellgasms are a selling point.
"Pornography: That which excites, whether from approval or disapproval." ~ Leonard Rossite 2342 Posts 12/17
Posted - Aug 30 2021 : 10:18PM
It's far easier to make a mediocre BG scene than a high quality GG once and that has always been the case because BG fans are simple: the gaping, the facial shot, the ATM and the perception that the guy is doing it so efficiently and hard that she's almost in pain from his size or the depth of his thrusts. You can fake your way through a BG scene and no-one will notice or care much.
GG doesn't work like that, we are far more critical and chemistry has to be involved.
Edited by - Whyspers2Scorpio on 8/30/2021 10:19:44 PM
Five years ago, I still thought that we were in a golden age. I don't think that it's going too far to say that the genre right now is the worst that it's been since the mid-2000's.
^^ Building on that point, it adds a layer of faking when you get a situation where one of the performers is clearly in the "gay for pay" category. Which just makes the scene painfully awkward, with all of the closed mouth duck kissing and other antics to avoid actually getting really physically with their co-star.
Agreed - it still pretty much sucks. I thought it would get better, but it's pretty much taken a nosedive during the pandemic and hasn't recovered. All the while, there are articles on AVN talking about how Lesbian porn has "exploded" (https://avn.com/business/press-release/video/aebn-analyzes-lesbian-content-902413.html).
I honestly have no idea what they are talking about. As joachim pointed out, the offerings a few years ago were A LOT better than what we have today. It's getting a bit depressing tbh...
I agree, but there were plenty of decent to good producers of G/G just a few years ago, so it can't be that hard. Sure, you have to put in a bit more effort than the average B/G scene, but I am at a loss for the extreme lack of interest. Several of the larger companies produce little to no G/G (Bangbros, Pornpros, Naughty America, Private, etc...), and many others produce very little.
It won't really get better until someone with influence really starts to drive the trend a bit more. A part of me is hoping that Slayed might get the ball rolling, even if it's not everyone's cup of tea. That way, perhaps some of the aforementioned studios might start things up, some of which might be good (fingers crossed). All you need is someone new that gets things right for many of us to be happy. Part of the reason everyone loves Lansky-era WLT is because he got the visuals AND the chemistry right on a consistent basis.
There have to be more people out there like that, but we won't know until more G/G gets produced across the board.
This point boggles me the most, as there are countless newcomers that are genuinely into girls. It's part of why I wish that someone would start things focused more on newcomers, as I feel like many of the bigger stars are just in it for a paycheck. If there was a site like Hazeher or a lesbian version of BFFs, there would be plenty of opportunities for us to see more girls in action, and then ultimately get to know who is really into girls.
I know that plenty of hardcore fans do a lot of sleuthing, but most of us would really just like to see more newcomers in action, which could then be parlayed into work for bigger studios, thus partially solving the problem.
^^Yep, we need another new comer to shake up the genre like GirlsWay did back in their prime. Their success led to a number of new G/G sites and sub-sites that were clearly influenced by them.
But like mentioned, an average B/G scene brings in equal or more reward as a high quality G/G scene does in terms of money and engagement. So it will require someone with a real love and passion for G/G to break through.
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Posted - Sep 2 2021 : 11:35PM
I think this especially is a huge thing that's missing. There's no company that's really passionate about girl-girl porn right now, imo.
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