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killbillvol69 All-Star Member ^Lucy Pinder 18634 Posts 4/08	Posted - Nov 20 2016 : 1:50PM ^ Yes they are a foreign company and that's why, as mentioned by Pringles above, Pringles wrote: The AHF has filed a complaint with the California Fair Political Practices Commission over it. Click to expand In fact the No on Prop 60 campaign could still get in trouble over this. I'm not sure exactly what the penalties can be though. (Criminal charges or fines or something else?) [Link]
Goldstein All-Star Member "You have sacrificed nothing and no one." 3689 Posts 8/10	Posted - Nov 20 2016 : 2:12PM Wouldn't the fact that Brazzers/Mindgeek has studios and a physical presence in the United States make their contributions legal? [Link]
Mister Fahrenheit All-Star Member Meh 4655 Posts 10/13	Posted - Nov 20 2016 : 2:16PM ^^ Doh, forgot about that whole brouhaha. So I guess Gamma/Mile High has a plausible reason for not contributing. What's up with JJV though? [Link]
pringles All-Star Member 1351 Posts 2/08	Posted - Nov 20 2016 : 3:01PM Based on the FPPC ruling in the Measure B complaint by AHF, both the money and decision to contribute has to come from a U.S. subsidiary of a foreign company. That didn't happen in Measure B and $61,500 in fines were handed out for numerous violations. The fines were split between No on B, MindGeek and Froytal Services. MindGeek paid the full amount for everyone and AHF filed a complaint over that as well. If you're wondering about the Federal Election Commission, AHF filed a complaint there as well for Measure B. The FEC deadlocked on party lines. MindGeek argued that the foreign donations didn't violate the rules because the money was directed at a ballot measure and not a candidate. Despite the deadlock, in their decision the FEC said foreign companies can be excluded from ballot measures. Regarding Jules... there's a segment of the industry that doesn't like or support the FSC. I don't know if Jules is in that group, it's just a thought. He tweeted that Prop 60 was the most important vote of his life. [Link]

cubbiefanoc Member 474 Posts 4/15	Posted - Nov 20 2016 : 3:21PM ^ I think that is why AHF has filed a complaint over Mindgeek donations. Update: Oops, didn't realize that a page 18 of this thread had opened up and that this was already discussed. Edited by - cubbiefanoc on 11/20/2016 3:24:16 PM [Link]
pringles All-Star Member 1351 Posts 2/08	Posted - Nov 20 2016 : 5:36PM Mia Malkova & Danny Mountain ran into AHF's Michael Weinstein at the gym today and Danny confronted him. [Link]
shalalin Senior Member 1737 Posts 11/07	Posted - Nov 21 2016 : 4:10PM pringles wrote: Prop 60 Monetary Contributors $25,000 Multimedia LLC (Porn Pros?) Click to expand Chaturbate, I think. [Link]
pringles All-Star Member 1351 Posts 2/08	Posted - Nov 21 2016 : 6:18PM ^ I believe you are correct. Thanks. [Link]
Harri Patel Senior Member #SDNY he's all yours. -- Michael Steele 5110 Posts 3/03	Posted - Nov 22 2016 : 12:36AM ^ Ironic that a company which would seemingly be only minimally affected by the ballot measure was a lot more willing to open its wallet to defeat it than were other persons/entities who would have been severely harmed by it. [Link]
fanofman Senior Member 2053 Posts 9/15	Posted - Nov 22 2016 : 8:58AM pringles wrote: Mia Malkova & Danny Mountain ran into AHF's Michael Weinstein at the gym today and Danny confronted him. Click to expand Their membership got terminated too. It should have been. They recorded a confrontation and put in on Twitter. I would imagine recording and harassing members inside their facility is prohibited. A bunch of porn stars are outraged they got terminated and asking people to boycott LA Fitness. Unbelievable. Edited by - fanofman on 11/22/2016 9:01:23 AM [Link]
Flash Golden Age Classic 11018 Posts 5/01	Posted - Nov 22 2016 : 9:55AM Harri Patel wrote: ^ Ironic that a company which would seemingly be only minimally affected by the ballot measure was a lot more willing to open its wallet to defeat it than were other persons/entities who would have been severely harmed by it. Click to expand Prop 60 was a lot more than just condoms. [Link]
whatsatelephonebill Senior Member 2935 Posts 10/11	Posted - Nov 22 2016 : 12:26PM Harri Patel wrote: ^ Ironic that a company which would seemingly be only minimally affected by the ballot measure was a lot more willing to open its wallet to defeat it than were other persons/entities who would have been severely harmed by it. Click to expand Cam shows were included under Prop 60. It would have meant that any person could bring up a violation against a cam performer (and those performers are even more likely than your "traditional" porn performer to want to keep their location and public identity a secret). It would be up to the cam performer (or possibly the company they use to broadcast) to prove that they don't live in California in the first place, and if they did, they would have been subject to all the same issues that other performers would. Edited by - whatsatelephonebill on 11/22/2016 12:29:30 PM [Link]
BlackSix All-Star Member pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07	Posted - Nov 22 2016 : 6:44PM fanofman wrote: Their membership got terminated too. It should have been. They recorded a confrontation and put in on Twitter. I would imagine recording and harassing members inside their facility is prohibited. A bunch of porn stars are outraged they got terminated and asking people to boycott LA Fitness. Unbelievable. Click to expand I suspect they figure it was worth it. Feinstein has refused to speak to any performers in a public forum and the AHF press releases and ad campaign treat performers with contempt, he's despicable and very disliked by those in the HIV community. Edited by - BlackSix on 11/22/2016 8:06:19 PM [Link]
Mister Fahrenheit All-Star Member Meh 4655 Posts 10/13	Posted - Nov 22 2016 : 6:55PM ^ Think ya goofed on that link homie. [Link]

BlackSix All-Star Member pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07	Posted - Nov 22 2016 : 8:06PM Fixed! [Link]
Philly30 Member 54 Posts 8/04	Posted - Nov 22 2016 : 11:55PM Flash wrote: Harri Patel wrote: ^ Ironic that a company which would seemingly be only minimally affected by the ballot measure was a lot more willing to open its wallet to defeat it than were other persons/entities who would have been severely harmed by it. Click to expand Prop 60 was a lot more than just condoms. Click to expand And it was defeated, no need to be a sore winner Edited by - philly30 on 11/22/2016 11:55:33 PM [Link]
Flash Golden Age Classic 11018 Posts 5/01	Posted - Nov 23 2016 : 8:37AM ???? [Link]
pringles All-Star Member 1351 Posts 2/08	Posted - Dec 15 2016 : 10:50PM APAC's Verta and FSC's Siouxsie Q represented the industry at the Cal/OSHA Standards Board public meeting today. We're just over six weeks away from Cal/OSHA's next advisory council meeting to discuss giving the industry its own section in the Bloodborne Pathogens Standard. [Link]
pringles All-Star Member 1351 Posts 2/08	Posted - Jan 13 2017 : 5:39PM Cal/OSHA Slates Agenda for Adult Film Advisory Meeting (Xbiz) OAKLAND, Calif. — Cal/OSHA officials today outlined what they will cover during a Jan. 31 advisory meeting that will discuss bloodborne pathogen exposure in the adult filmmaking industry. The advisory meeting to be held in Oakland, Calif., is certain to attract a large contingent of adult industry stakeholders. Because of previous large turnouts and accompanying public comment, Cal/OSHA has scheduled a tight agenda for the meeting, which is planned to last about five-and-a-half hours including lunch break. Cal/OSHA plans on evaluating two petitions — Petition 560, which was filed by the Free Speech Coalition, and Petition 557, filed by the AIDS Healthcare Foundation. The meeting is in in response to a request by the Standards Board Both petitions request new regulatory language for § 5193 to address occupational exposures to bloodborne pathogens. Eric Berg, Cal/OSHA’s deputy chief of research and standards, and Steve Smith, the agency’s industrial hygiene manager, will co-chair the Jan. 31 advisory meeting, Cal/OSHA spokeswoman Julia Bernstein told XBIZ. more on the agenda at the link above [Link]
pringles All-Star Member 1351 Posts 2/08	Posted - Feb 1 2017 : 5:03PM Cal/OSHA to Review Oakland Transcript to Plan Next Steps (Xbiz) OAKLAND, Calif. — Yesterday’s Cal/OSHA meeting discussing bloodborne pathogen exposure standards in the adult film industry offered more contentious dialogue between adult entertainment stakeholders — including members of the industry trade groups Free Speech Coalition and the Adult Performer Advocacy Committee — and the AIDS Healthcare Foundation. The 6½-hour advisory meeting at the Elihu Harris Office Building in Oakland was informational, as well as confrontational, in nature, but no vote was scheduled in regards to two competing petitions proposed by both the FSC and AHF. more at the link above Cal/OSHA Advisory Committee Hears Adult Industry Health Concerns (AVN/Mark Kernes) Photo of the adult industry turnout (Twitter) Edited by - pringles on 2/1/2017 5:04:18 PM [Link]
Gore Gore Girl Doctor of the Erotic Arts 7238 Posts 1/09	Posted - May 21 2017 : 2:30PM Sorry if this has been addressed already, but which studios are currently using condoms? [Link]
pringles All-Star Member 1351 Posts 2/08	Posted - Jun 15 2017 : 4:09PM Calif. Regulators to Discuss Adult Film Proposals at July 20 Meeting SACRAMENTO, Calif. — The state Occupational Safety and Health Standards Board today requested a staff update for two proposed adult film industry regulations pending before the board. The Standards Board eventually will vote on the two petitions that request new regulatory language for § 5193 of the state code of regulations to address occupational exposure to bloodborne pathogens on porn sets. At its monthly business meeting today in Sacramento, the board requested an update on the adult filmmaking proposals for its next meeting to be held in San Diego on July 20. more at the link above [Link]
killbillvol69 All-Star Member ^Lucy Pinder 18634 Posts 4/08	Posted - Jun 15 2017 : 10:04PM Gore Gore Girl wrote: Sorry if this has been addressed already, but which studios are currently using condoms? Click to expand As far as 'mainstream', b/g porn shot in LA and/or Vegas, the only company I know of that uses condoms 100% of the time is Wicked. Spizoo uses condoms a fair amount but not always. I have seen other companies use condoms very sparingly. Ex: bangbros [Link]
Gore Gore Girl Doctor of the Erotic Arts 7238 Posts 1/09	Posted - Jun 16 2017 : 8:51AM ^ Thanks. [Link]

pringles All-Star Member 1351 Posts 2/08	Posted - Jul 20 2017 : 4:28PM Regulators Shelve Proposals to Change Porn Production Protocols (Xbiz) SAN DIEGO – State regulators have decided not to undertake any further rulemaking in regards to several proposals that would change protocols for porn shoots. The decision was revealed today at the state Occupational Safety and Health Standards Board’s monthly hearing meeting, where one board member, Dave Thomas, emphasized that the existing regulatory language continues for § 5193 of the state code of regulations in regards to occupational exposure to bloodborne pathogens on film sets. Cal/OSHA Standards Board Hears From Adult Community - and Opponents (AVN/Mark Kernes) more at the links above Edited by - pringles on 7/20/2017 7:38:57 PM [Link]
Mister Fahrenheit All-Star Member Meh 4655 Posts 10/13	Posted - Jul 20 2017 : 8:39PM ^ I saw this report earlier today. Could you contextualize this for us pringles? Is this the end of all the condom business or will the fight be moving to a new arena? Obviously OSHA is saying that condoms are still required under the current regulations but that regulation is hardly ever enforced. So will companies just continue to ignore it and go about business as usual? [Link]
pringles All-Star Member 1351 Posts 2/08	Posted - Jul 21 2017 : 7:55PM The FSC's press release regarding the Cal/OSHA meeting is misleading. It's causing people to wrongly conclude that 1) 5193 no longer applies, 2) that performers are now independent contractors with regards to workplace safety, and 3) condoms aren't required. 1) 5193 is still in place and applies to the industry. The proposals in question that Cal/OSHA decided to scrap were about giving the industry their own section in 5193. According to Xbiz, Cal/OSHA made it clear that the existing regulations still apply to the industry. There just won't be an industry-specific section. 2) Cal/OSHA would no longer have that jurisdiction if performers weren't still considered employees. 3) Condoms are still required, because the rule of Universal Precautions is still part of 5193. The FSC press release curiously says that Cal/OSHA's adult industry website lists testing as a possible workplace control that could prevent exposure. It does not say that. It actually says the opposite. Testing can't prevent exposure. Exposure to Cal/OSHA means exposure to blood/semen, not exposure to STDs. Things will just stay the way they have been since 2004 when Cal/OSHA first started handing out fines. On occasion, companies will get fined when there's a complaint and Cal/OSHA investigates. It's rarely enforced because it's a complaint-based system. Those fines just recently went up about 70%. FSC says Cal/OSHA will focus on a "hierarchy of controls" rather than personal protective equipment (condoms). This is just a broader term for the same thing. Personal protective equipment is one component of the hierarchy of controls, as is engineering controls (ie simulation of sex acts) and administrative controls (ie training & signs). Cal/OSHA has been using a hierarchy of controls all along. Personal protective equipment has always been the last defense in the hierarchy of controls. What does AHF do now? I don't know. I don't think we've heard the last from them though. [Link]
pringles All-Star Member 1351 Posts 2/08	Posted - Jul 24 2017 : 4:31PM Surprise, Measure B is back! From 2016: pringles wrote: LA County to Study Ways to Enforce Measure B (Xbiz) LOS ANGELES - Now that a settlement has been signed off over Los Angeles County's Measure B ordinance, counsel for the county are exploring ways to enforce condom use during porn shoots. "The department will need to determine an appropriate regulatory approach in light of the district court's ruling that much of the department's independent enforcement authority over these permits was unconstitutional," said Robert E. Ragland, deputy counsel for the county, in a statement. County officials haven't offered any explanation on how long it will take to come up with terms of regulatory enforcement. However, the settlement calls for the county to conduct a health permit fee schedule within 12 months. Click to expand TOMORROW: LA County leaders to discuss health permit fees for adult film studios (LA Daily News) "Five years after Los Angeles County voters approved the use of condoms on adult film sets, public health officials Tuesday will ask the Board of Supervisors to take the next step and agree on a set of fees to pay for inspections at film production sites. "Public health officials will propose that adult film producers pay $1,672 for a permit and about $65 for each visit public health inspectors make to a set to ensure condoms are being used." more at the link above [Link]
Harri Patel Senior Member #SDNY he's all yours. -- Michael Steele 5110 Posts 3/03	Posted - Jul 24 2017 : 5:05PM ^ $1,672? LOL - what's that, about a third of the budget for a porn video these days? [Link]
Mister Fahrenheit All-Star Member Meh 4655 Posts 10/13	Posted - Jul 24 2017 : 5:54PM ^ Yeah, and how does the permit issuance work precisely? Are they issued on a per movie basis or a per scene basis? If it's the latter, that adds up $6,688 for the average four scene release. Either way seems completely detached from any understanding of the budgetary restrictions of modern porn. Not that it matters much though considering: After the passage of Measure B, film permits for adult films taken out through Film LA by the industry fell dramatically, from 480 in 2012 to 25 in 2015. Click to expand Expect that number to fall to zero if this proposal goes through. Edited by - Mister Fahrenheit on 7/24/2017 5:54:38 PM [Link]
pringles All-Star Member 1351 Posts 2/08	Posted - Jul 24 2017 : 6:35PM ^ & ^^ Unless things have changed, the permit would be valid for two years. [Link]
Mister Fahrenheit All-Star Member Meh 4655 Posts 10/13	Posted - Jul 24 2017 : 7:04PM ^ Two years for all the movies they would be filming during that time? If that's what you mean then I take my comment back, that's not overly burdensome at all. [Link]
AggieGuy Member 357 Posts 7/15	Posted - Jul 24 2017 : 8:36PM And producers will simply move outside of LA. Leave it to California to find every way possible to run businesses out of town. [Link]
pringles All-Star Member 1351 Posts 2/08	Posted - Jul 24 2017 : 8:41PM ^^ Yes. All you can shoot while the permit is valid, from the date of issuance. Here's the proposal for tomorrow: Permit Fees $1,671.82 for the Original Adult Film Permit $982.13 to renew every other year Re-inspection hours rates Public Health Investigator: Regular $64.78 Overtime $89.77 if a Public Health Investigator Manager is required: Regular $84.33 Overtime $116.86 The FSC has asked the Board of Supervisors to reschedule tomorrow's hearing and possible vote. Edited by - pringles on 7/24/2017 8:42:25 PM [Link]

Mister Fahrenheit All-Star Member Meh 4655 Posts 10/13	Posted - Jul 25 2017 : 1:43AM ^^ They haven't moved out of town yet. I imagine things will just go on as before and most companies will forgo applying for permits at all. [Link]
pringles All-Star Member 1351 Posts 2/08	Posted - Jul 25 2017 : 1:25PM pringles wrote: The FSC has asked the Board of Supervisors to reschedule tomorrow's hearing and possible vote. Click to expand It's been rescheduled for August 22 at the request of the FSC. jessica drake, Brad Armstrong, Mia Li, Riley Reyes and Bella Bathory are among those who showed up to represent the industry. [Link]
pringles All-Star Member 1351 Posts 2/08	Posted - Aug 21 2017 : 12:15PM LA County Supervisors to Weigh Adult Film Permit Fees on Tuesday (Xbiz) LOS ANGELES - The Los Angeles County Board of Supervisors on Tuesday plans to hear discussion on proposed health permit fees for adult film shoots. The public hearing considering an adoption of a resolution establishing new permit fees was originally scheduled last month; however, supervisors elected to delay discussion after the Free Speech Coalition and individual adult industry stakeholders complained that the agenda item was only known within days of the scheduled July 25 hearing. more at the link above [Link]
pringles All-Star Member 1351 Posts 2/08	Posted - Aug 22 2017 : 4:21PM LA County Votes to Enforce New Measure B Permit Fees for Adult (AVN) LOS ANGELES-Despite passionate opposition from an adult industry contingent at Tuesday's public hearing, L.A. County's Board of Supervisors voted in favor of imposing mandatory permit fees for adult productions. The current proposal would require any producer-including everyone from traditional studios to cam performers and custom clip manufacturers-to pay more than $1600 for a two-year permit, as well as take sexual health training and use condoms in compliance with Measure B, which passed in 2012. Those who fail to comply with Measure B can face a fine of $1,000 and up to six months in jail for each offense. It was unclear from Tuesday's hearing how and when these fees would be implemented. Measure B Adult Film Permit Fee Plan Moves Forward (Xbiz) FSC 'Deeply Troubled' Over Measure B Permit Fee Decision (FSC PR) more at the links above [Link]
pringles All-Star Member 1351 Posts 2/08	Posted - Aug 22 2017 : 4:46PM Here's video of AHF allegedly giving $50 gift cards to people who wore "Enforce Measure B" t-shirts at the hearing today. Xbiz says there were approximately 80 of them and they were recruited on Craigslist. They stood any time one of the AHF reps spoke. [Link]
AggieGuy Member 357 Posts 7/15	Posted - Aug 22 2017 : 7:20PM ^ I would say shocked, but there are businesses that do nothing but recruit rent-a-mobs whenever there needs to be a protest, usually for some left wing issue. [Link]
4theheart Senior Member pornologist 3102 Posts 8/01	Posted - Aug 22 2017 : 9:00PM One interesting thing to note is that a federal judge in 2013 ruled that the fees associated with Measure B must be revenue neutral, due to the 1st amendment status in this case. It may be a way for the industry to fight this perhaps. http://reason.com/blog/2013/08/19/federal-judge-upholds-porn-condom-law-bu Edited by - 4theheart on 8/22/2017 9:05:41 PM [Link]
mgavin Member Anal is My Thing 820 Posts 3/05	Posted - Aug 22 2017 : 10:03PM Does the adult film industry have a massive lawsuit with LA County🤔 Anal Sex Is My Thing :) [Link]
pringles All-Star Member 1351 Posts 2/08	Posted - Sep 9 2017 : 10:46AM The Los Angeles County Department of Public Health has a new webpage for Measure B. Their Public Health Investigation Administration has been designated to implement the permitting and enforce it. In an analysis of Measure B published yesterday, the FSC says it is considering legal challenges, amendments and even a ballot initiative to reverse it. [Link]
Mister Fahrenheit All-Star Member Meh 4655 Posts 10/13	Posted - Sep 9 2017 : 11:31AM ^ A ballot initiative campaign is super-expensive, even at the county level. Hiring petitioners to get the required number of signatures, running ads, etc. I doubt very much the FSC would actually commit to such an undertaking. [Link]
Black Vanguard New Member Them Schnitzengrubens can wipe you out! 4 Posts 5/18	Posted - May 18 2018 : 12:15AM killbillvol69 wrote: ^ Hi and welcome to ADT. We have a more thorough thread about the various condom ordinances that have been passed (or not passed) in LA county and California here: Condoms in Porn... Measure B/Bill AB 1576/Prop 60 Check that out for all sorts of info on it. The short version is this: measure B passed in LA, requiring condoms, and yes there has been a lot of production that has moved out of LA, but obviously a great deal of porn is still shot there. But now, most of it is shot without obtaining filming permits (which would also require condoms to be used). But post in that thread if you wish to discuss it more. Click to expand Thank you for your hospitality. What, then, are the penalties for shooting without a permit? Do you need a permit to shoot on private property, or only public? [Link]

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